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kpakpandoN:
Hosea 4:6 reveals that knowledge is an indispensable commodity if one is to become relevant in God's scheme of things. It also tells us that contrary to what some people believe, what is responsible for the destruction of God's people is not the devil; rather, it is their ignorance. This means that the enemy capitalises on what you do not know to plunder you. If you fail to recognise and act on your kingdom rights for instance, the devil will definitely take advantage of you. If you do not recognise that good health is your right, Satan will definitely shove sickness down your throat. The devil loves those who rob themselves of their rights through a false sense of humility, because they are helping him to do his dirty work. If you believe that poverty is part of godliness, or that you do not need to fight or resist the evil plans of the enemy, or that being sick is part of the cross you are to bear in the Christian faith, Satan will definitely celebrate your ignorance. To this end, the devil will do everything to keep such a fellow in the dark concerning the truth.
Do you know that there is a difference between stating the facts and knowing the truth? The facts are what can be physically perceived in a given situation. Facts are a product of the natural human senses. Satan tries to control his victims using the prevailing circumstances. Most times, he controls, manipulates and distorts the things we can see. As long as you choose to believe what you can see, you may likely end up as a victim of sight and a prisoner of the devil. This is why 2 Corinthians 5:7 says: "(For we walk by faith, not by sight"
On the other hand, the word of God is truth (John 17:17). Facts can easily change; hence it is wrong to base your victory or joy on them. Rather, base it on God's word which is settled in Heaven forever. For instance, when you have prayed for healing and you are standing in faith to receive it, you must be prepared to discountenance the facts that sight brings to you. You must be ready to ignore or resist the pains, discomfort and weakness you can still feel. You must confess the healing and good health which the word of God has promised you. Even if you are yet to experience it. As you keep on insisting on what God's word says, eventually the truth will swallow up the facts.

just4now:
You have good bible quotations to back your point on eternal security. Nevertheless, You stand in a position of a teacher and shall be judged likewise, because many underdeveloped Christians will live by your assertions and this could be detrimental to their salvation. You are not teaching the total counsel of God. Truly, genuine born again Christians can not loose their salvation but those who refuses to gain required knowledge, careless of their way of life and disobey the voice of the Holy Spirit will certainly experience hell before entering Heaven on the day of judgment. You may not believe me but a careful study of the scripture will amaze you on this truth. To assist you, please prayerfully study lsaiah 3:16-26; 4:1-6", "Zephaniah 3:7-12", "1Cor 3:10-(15)17", "Rev 2:14-16", "Rev 20:11-15", "Rev 22:14". l have other references in the bible to prove that you must be careful what you teach others. Please do research on the Nicholatian doctrine which is the same as you taught that the Lord hates. The Lord desires you wash your garment while on earth and make it white in the blood of the Lamb of God. You see, you can't loose your salvation, you are eternally saved but be ready to be purged by fire of hell if you do not follow the leading of the Holy Spirit and holy living. Allow the Lord to purge you while you are here on earth and live a humble and sober life. Apostle Paul talks about your work being burn but you will be saved, only as one passing through fire of hell. Have you ever wondered why hell must give up those in it for judgment day if they were already condemned and why is the judgment base on the only law of Christ. Don't live a carnal Christian life but a spiritual one. You have a choice to hold to your doctrine but you have just been told the truth. I counsel that many should refrain from being teachers because they shall be judged severely. God bless.

ProphetUdeme:
1 timothy 4 vs 4 - The Spirit speaks expressly that in the latter times many shall depart from the faith and deviate away from the truth and shall have their conscience seared with hot iron. Peter tells us that They shall even forsake and deny the Lord that brought them and shall bring upon themselves swift destruction. There is in one of the o.p's post that he made mentioned that whatever i might say, he will never agree. Why because his conscience has been hardened by the devil. Many have really fallen away from the truth. All they need is to be included in our daily prayers

vooks:
Many believers who live like Satan because they imagine God is helpless against them seeing He saved them will be horrified to end up in hell

Jeromejnr:
Don't deceive yourself and others.
Jesus said many will say on that day Lord, Lord.... Some of those people casted out demons, and did mighty miracles in His name. Unbelievers can't work miracles in Jesus name.
Paul also said "the righteous" are scarcely saved. Who are the righteous? Definitely not the unbelievers.
Paul also said he "keeps his body under subjection lest after he has preached he himself will be a cast away"
God also said " there will be a great apostasy in the end-times, cause many will depart from the faith".
Jesus told a particular church in revelations that "they had left Him His first love," and that they should repent or He will to remove their lampstick from it's place.
He also said in Revelations of the Lukewarm christians , that He will spew them out of His mouth.
There are many more. Study the scriptures and stop being ignorant.
Grace is not a license to sin. It's an empowerment to live the godly life. That's why God expects more from us in this new covenant. In the old lustfully looking at a woman wasn't adultery but it is in the new. In the old hatred wasn't murder but it is in the new.
Demas was saved, but Paul talked about him that he had gone back to the world.
God said "He will never leave us nor forsake us" but that does not mean we can't forsake Him.
If after looking at this scriptures you believe you can't lose salvation, then I must say repent or else you will be enforcing doctrines of demons.

Timothy3113:
broda pls can an atheist dat was once a xtian get into heaven

sportsmaster:
that is where you failed it again.
It is God that secures your salvation.
Read 1John 5:18 in Several translations.
It is God that works in Us to do his pleasure and Good will.
God keeps his own,
we are kept by the Power of God.
God relates with you on the basis of his Son.
It is what Christ has done for you that makes you stand before God.
It's neither conduct nor works.
I strongly encourage personal holiness and good Christian living. But none of those will earn you anything in the Sight of God.
Just like the Old testament folks came with the blood of Bulls and Goats,is the same way we come to God with the perfect sacrifice of Christ.which is eternal.

An2elect2:
I don't mind at all

sportsmaster:
Go online and scour the internet.
Get original manuscripts and texs.
Compare over 100 translations,
ask any true pastor or preacher.
All that is Rom8:1 is
"there is now no condemantion to those who are in Christ."

An2elect2:
What does it mean to work out our
salvation with fear and trembling? Paul can hardly be
encouraging believers to live in a continuous
condition of nervousness and anxiety. That would
contradict his many other exhortations to peace of
mind, courage, and confidence in the God who
authors our salvation. The Greek word translated
"fear" in this context can equally mean "reverence"
or "respect." Paul uses the same phrase in ( 2
Corinthians 7:15 ) where he refers to Titus as being
encouraged by the Corinthians’ reception of him
“with fear and trembling,” that is, with great humility
and respect for his position as a minister of the
gospel of Jesus Christ. Paul himself came to the
Corinthian church in “weakness and fear, and with
much trembling” ( 1 Corinthians 2:3 ), mindful of the
great and awesome nature of the work in which he
was engaged.
The sense in which we are to work out our salvation
in fear and trembling is twofold. First, the Greek verb
rendered “work out” means "to continually work to
bring something to completion or fruition." We do this
by actively pursuing obedience in the process of
sanctification, which Paul explains further in the next
chapter of Philippians. He describes himself as
“straining” and “pressing on” toward the goal of
Christlikeness ( Philippians 3:13-14 ).
The “trembling” he experiences is the attitude Christians are to have in pursuing this goal—a healthy fear of offending God through disobedience and an awe and respect for His majesty and holiness. "Trembling" can also refer to a shaking due to weakness, but this is a weakness of higher purpose, one which brings us to a state of dependency on God. Obedience and submission to the God we revere and respect is our “reasonable service” (Romans 12:1-2 ) and brings great joy. Psalm 2:11 sums it up perfectly: “Serve the LORD with fear and rejoice with trembling.” We work out our salvation by going to the very source of our salvation—the Word of God—wherein we renew
our hearts and minds (Romans 12:1-2 ), coming into
His presence with a spirit of reverence and awe.
You are trying to explain away eternal security with passages that say nothing about it.
What does the bible say about OSAS:
The Bible
teaches that those who are born again will continue
trusting in Christ forever. God, by His own power
through the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit,
keeps or preserves the believer forever. This
wonderful truth is seen in Ephesians 1:13-14 , where
we see that believers are “sealed with the Holy
Spirit of promise, who is the guarantee of our
inheritance until the redemption of the purchase
possession, to the praise of His glory.” When we are
born again, we receive the promised indwelling
presence of the Holy Spirit that is God’s guarantee
that He who began a good work in us will complete it
( Philippians 1:6 ). In order for us to lose our salvation
after receiving the promised Holy Spirit, God would
have to break His promise or renege on His
“guarantee,” which He cannot do. Therefore, the
believer is eternally secure because God is eternally
faithful.
The understanding of this doctrine really comes from
understanding the unique and special love that God
has for His children. Romans 8:28-39 tells us that 1)
no one can bring a charge against God’s elect; 2)
nothing can separate the elect from the love of
Christ; 3) God makes everything work together for
the good of the elect; and 4) all whom God saves will
be glorified. God loves His children (the elect) so
much that nothing can separate them from Him. Of
course this same truth is seen in many other
passages of Scripture as well. In John 10:27-30 ,
Jesus says, “My sheep hear My voice, and I know
them, and they follow Me; and I give eternal life to
them, and they will never perish; and no one will
snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has
given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is
able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. I and
the Father are one." Again, in John 6:37-47 , we see
Jesus stating that everyone that the Father gives to
the Son will come to Him and He will raise all of
them up at the last day.
Another evidence from Scripture of the eternal
security of a believer is found in John 5:24 , where
Jesus says, “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears
My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has
eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but
has passed out of death into life.” Notice that eternal
life is not something we get in the future but is
something that we have once we believe. By its very
nature, eternal life must last forever, or it could not
be eternal. This passage says that, if we believe the
gospel, we have eternal life and will not come into
judgment; therefore, it can be said we are eternally
secure.
There is really very little scriptural basis that can be
used to argue against the eternal security of the
believer. While there are a few verses that, if not
considered in their context, might give the
impression that one could “fall from grace” or lose
his salvation, when these verses are carefully
considered in context it is clear that is not the case.
Many people know someone who at one time
expressed faith in Christ and who might have
appeared to be a genuine Christian who later
departed from the faith and now wants to have
nothing to do with Christ or His church. These people
might even deny the very existence of God. For
those who do not want to accept what the Bible says
about the security of the believer, these types of
people are proof that the doctrine of eternal security
cannot be right. However, the Bible indicates
otherwise, and it teaches that people such as those
who profess Christ as Savior at one time only to later
walk away and deny Christ were never truly saved
in the first place. For example, 1 John 2:19 says,
"They went out from us, but they were not of us; for
if they had been of us, they would have remained
with us; but they went out from us, in order that it
might be made manifest that they all are not truly of
us." The Bible is also clear that not everyone who
professes to be a Christian truly is. Jesus Himself
says that not everyone who says, “Lord, Lord,” will
enter the kingdom of heaven (Matthew 7:21-22 ).
Rather than proving we can lose our salvation, those
people who profess Christ and fall away simply
reinforces the importance of testing our salvation to
make sure we are in the faith ( 2 Corinthians 13:5 )
and making our calling and election sure by
continually examining our lives to make sure we are
growing in godliness ( 2 Peter 1:10 ).
One of the misconceptions about the doctrine of the
perseverance of the saints is that it will lead to
“carnal Christians” who believe that since they are
eternally secure they can live whatever licentious
lifestyle they wish and still be saved. But that is a
misunderstanding of the doctrine and what the Bible
teaches. A person who believes he can live any way
he wants because he has professed Christ is not
demonstrating true saving faith (1 John 2:3-4 ). Our
eternal security rests on the biblical teaching that
those whom God justifies, He will also glorify
( Romans 8:29-30 ). Those who are saved will indeed
be conformed to the image of Christ through the
process of sanctification (1 Corinthians 6:11 ). When
a person is saved, the Holy Spirit breaks the
bondage of sin and gives the believer a new heart
and a desire to seek holiness. Therefore a true
Christian will desire to be obedient to God and will be
convicted by the Holy Spirit when he sins. True
Christians will never “live any way they want”
because such behavior is impossible for someone
who has been given a new nature ( 2 Corinthians
5:17 ).
Clearly, the doctrine of the perseverance of the
saints does accurately represent what the Bible
teaches on this important subject. If someone is
truly saved, he has been made alive by the Holy
Spirit and has a new heart with new desires. There
is no way that one that has been “born again” can
later be “unborn.” Because of His unique love for His
children, God will keep all of His children safe from
harm, and Jesus has promised that He would lose
none of His sheep. The doctrine of the perseverance
of the saints recognizes that true Christians will
always persevere and are eternally secure because
God keeps them that way. It is based on the fact that
Jesus, the “author and perfecter of faith” ( Hebrews
12:2 ), is able to completely save those whom the
Father has given Him (Hebrews 7:25 ) and to keep
them saved through all eternity.

sportsmaster:
i urge you to search the original manuscript of Romans 8:1
all that it says is.
"there is now no condemnation unto them that are in Christ Jesus"

spencerwilliams:
You are even afraid of looking critically into the scripture,he quoted scriptures,but instead of explaining them to him if he is wrong,you went ahead by saying:you can not convince me again.Listen you have no understand of grace,mercy or salvation,you just say grace grace grace without understanding.May GOD help you.

spencerwilliams:
You are even afraid of looking critically into the scripture,he quoted scriptures,but instead of explaining them to him if he is wrong,you went ahead by saying:you can not convince me again.Listen you have no understand of grace,mercy or salvation,you just say grace grace grace without understanding.May GOD help you.

5solas:
Amen!!!

5solas:
@jigazz
The reasons are too numerous. Another is that His Spirit abides with us forever, He is the down payment for our salvation and the guarantee of it. We are completely saved no matter our present state of growth and we are simply waiting for that day when it will be actualized.
Eph 1:13,14;4:30; 1Pet.1:4-9,17.

jerrydelight:
Salvation is like citizenship, it can not be taken away from you but you dump it through.. ...

An2elect2:
I pray he comes to know the truth too. Right now, It is that bad.

5solas:

charisville:
Hello Jag,
Just pray that those who argue with you about this gospel of grace will have a full revelation of the true gospel. No matter how much you argue with them, they won't get it. I pray that the eyes of their understanding be engulfed by The Light of His word.
I encourage them to subscribe to Charis Ville Devotional www.charisvilledevotional.com
God bless.

An2elect2:
You are the false teacher and the bible calls you a heretic! The bible is very clear on this one that our SALVATION IS BY GRACE AND NOT OF US.
And just like y'all do, when you cannot fathom the truth of God's grace and also with your burning desires to esteem your wretched selves above others, you throw those scriptures that do not even support your blasphemy that a loving father will cast away the child he has birthed because of one wrong to our face. You have been duped and need to get yourselves taught thoroughly. Show me one scripture that APPEARS to say salvation can be lost and i will show you many more that expressly state we are safe for ever in God's arm.
All the glory going to God for he performs all these wonderful works in us!
Go ahead and part yourself on the back and give yourself some glory for being the co-saviour of yourself. And let's see how far you reach with that.
But depart from me, false prophet.