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Mujtahida:
Don't bother yourself. Like komekn said they'd hype up their Nigerianess yet if given a pass to any developed country they won't give it a moment's thought before they'd abandon everything and take the offer. Not to talk of children born abroad who hesitate and want to weigh their options before making a choice. Such appalling and disgusting hypocrisy.

See if I be Tammy or Tomori, I'd choose England over Nigeria anytime any day. Who Nigeria help? What has Nigeria given them that they should even consider her? Their choice is perfectly logical and in tune with the reality of the situation on ground. Ultimately England might disappoint them but just merely capping them for a few matches. Fine. Its their cup of tea.

We should not beg anybody and I say this not out of stupid pride you have talked about but because it is absolutely not necessary to beg.

You think Aina will not gist them how they had to go on strike to be paid their money? Is that the system they want them to be rushing to play for?

Mujtahida:
You need not press the point: even those born in Nigeria have to choose. That I am Nigerian doesn't mean the moment Nigeria taps me up, I'll run go do her bidding.

Presently I detest what we have made of this nation. I feel that those who still have hope in this country are a big part of the problem. Let us collectively give up and see that we can go no further, so that we collapse this system and begin the rebuilding process.

If Nigeria were to be at war today, forget it, I will not take arms on her behalf. That's my choice. Sacrifice must be creative otherwise its just a waste. What exactly am I sacrificing for? I am not stupid.

Obafemi Martins comes to mind here

tbaba1234:
They certainly make us better.

We need the best Nigerian players whereever we can get them. Anyone that can add value is welcome.

Gbam, this is the long and short of it all

Earthquake1:
Some people don't have that choice

They are fully Nigerian

Let FIFA change the laws and allow players change status at will, you'll understand that some of our players sef won't mind to japa

Danielnino00:
Instead of lobbying the NFF to come up with a development plan that will help our national team progress further we are here talking about calling up more foreign born players..
That's how we will keep calling up players every year and keep building the team with no result!

You aren't getting the point, we must harness our own resources but that doesn't stop us from calling any foreign born that is good enough, you people are talking like we've filled our team with halfcaste players

Earthquake1:
Firminho and Gabigol na bricklayers?

@The bolded USA is not even a footballing nation, go and challenge them for basketball

Who the fak is Gabigol? I'm talking about better players you are mentioning Latino Mfon Udoh, Firmino isn't an out and out striker @ USA what makes a footballing country? You guys don't even spend a quarter of what they invest in football so much for footballing country

Earthquake1:
Tomori has refused us, we are waiting for the next foreign born player to fill the gap in our defence

A country of 200 million people

It's not by population Brazil have more and they can't boast of a decent CF don't mention Jesus cos he's been warming bench in City plus he flopped at the last world cup, USA have more population and we can easily beat them on our best day

Earthquake1:
Those countries have a working youth structure, that compensates if the approached player does not play for them, what do we have?

We sorely RELY on these foreign players to breach GAPING holes in our team, that's we desperately chase them and are embarrassingly refused

We refuse to work on our production line because we believe an ENGLAND born, ENGLAND bred, ENGLAND trained player would deny his country of residence and play for us

Huh? Rely? How many do we have? Iwobi and Ekong are the only regulars until the last Afcon iwobi have been in and out of the first 11 balogun is being phased out Ola's shirt isn't assured so who we dey rely on?

charlesemeka85:
I see nothing wrong in approaching these kids and it's inevitable that we will never have them all. Reaching out to them doesn't hinder the progression of our league and player from the home front.

Other countries are tapping to the practice whereas fortifying their various teams so I see no reason why we can't do same.

I'm against begging any player to play for us but fully in support of reaching out to them and get those who are willing to dorn the national colors and as well fortify the team.


Lets forget about pride and sentiment. France planned having only white and indigenious French kids in from their youth set up which was backed by ex man utd defender blac but to their surprise the most talented kids in majority of French academies are sons and daughters of immigrants most especially from Africa.

If racist Europeans can hide their hate of the black race by fighting to have the best professionals out of our race in various sectors in their country in a bid to improve and do better I see no reason we should be filled with pride when reaching out to those we know can improve us.


No matter how we mourn and cry Tammy and fik are gone but that won't stop the future integration of euro born kids who re willing to feature for us.


Also no need to be scared cus kids groomed in 9ja are still the majority in the team and the emergence of euro born kids won't hinder the inclusion of locally groomed kids.

The selection method is an open one so it's left for both sides to work hard to get a deserved chance in the team

Didn't even see this before I typed mine, Morroco have one of the best league in Africa but virtually the whole of their NT are French born they even have a Portuguese in their team

kennysville:
Friends, Countrymen, nairalanders....

On Tammy Abraham and Fikayo Tomori

Finally, we can all rest from the unnecessary comparison, to cap or not to cap talk. I have watched from the sidelines how people fought each other, throwing jabs left, right and center. Can we now tell ourselves the blatant truth?
First up, it is time we stopped this chasing of Foreign born players and develop our own who understand our philosophy. Personally, i feel it is a shame on us as far as Nigeria is concerned. Those who are old enough to know in this group will remember players like John and Justin Fashanu who could have played for Nigeria but refused only to regret it later. The list goes on. Bottomline is the decision to play for another country rests with these players as it were. There is no reason to go moaning or insulting people just because Tammy or Tomori refused to play for Eagles.

What i find annoying is having to make these Foreign borns into what they are not. And that is elevating them beyond our own home groomed players. While i will not blame anyone who thinks otherwise, the truth is we need to look ourselves in the mirror and ask why we keep waiting for other nations to give us finished articles. Oh gosh now it all makes sense. Actually what does Nigeria produce? All we do is consume. We produce oil, export it and then import the refined products cos we are too corrupt to have functioning refineries.

We want things and we want it now. Unfortunately the societies that the Europeans and the west built were built decades ago. The systems they have working for them were built years ago. We on the other hand just like to take.... reap where we did not sow, have sense of entitlement. We get into government and forget the reason we went in there was to serve people. Everyone wants to look good at all costs. I beta pass you syndrome eating into the very fabric of our society.

What happened to us copying standards that actually work ? Have a proper system that monitors development. If it were up to me, I would shut down the NPFL for 2 years. Do restructuring and lay off all players over 22 yrs of age. But alas! Some people are gona be jobless with such an excercise (mostly players). Not to mention infrastructural issues. No facilities. Yall gonna ask so whats my point?

Well here it is.... it 's time we got our bloody s#it together unless of course we believe we are a lost cause.

On foreign borns, those who will not want to play for Naija, we wish them all the best. What we need in the Super Eagles are players ready to bleed green white green. Players who are passionate about Nigeria. We dont want players that want to come and look good or make us as plan B. We dont want Social media players who try to force the hand of a federation. As for Abraham and Tomori... I wish em the best. Hopefully they get 50caps for England. But enough is enough with international embarrassments and monumental disgrace. We are Naija! We get pride too. Na so e be!

You can't say we don't want foreign born, once a player is eligible to play for us it's very OK for us to approach such player, Every country does it even countries with superb organisation. There's no embarrassment if we approach a player and he turn us down, Spain approached Laporte he said no they did to Griezman too he said no Costa turned Brazil down for Spain, Jorginho flirted with his native Brazil for a call-up but them no look his side till Italy capped him after rejecting them earlier nobody was embarrassed. we Nigerians like to dey proud for nothing we aren't even top 3 best African team in history, if we see foreign born who will add value to our team we approach if he turn us down we'll move on

komekn:
Following on to the subject raised by Kog45 i.e. the rota in our football and Athletics, etc.

A lady has just won the 400 metre race running the third fastest time in history. Her name is Salwa Eid Naser.

Before you say wheaten concern us this lady was born in Anambra state. But has changed name and nationality to represent Bahrain.

Her real name is Ebelechukwu I think

tbaba1234:
Once players become options for England, it is difficult to get them. We simply can not compete. There is simply more prestige playing for England. They do not have to fight for their rights with the FA.

That is why we should get players early before England comes to the picture. Once it becomes a choice, it is hard to choose Nigeria. Nigeria does not have the pedigree of Brazil and our organization is poor.

Some players have been begging for 9ja invite, we have not called them. Once they join a big club and England gets interested, we will start chasing them.

It's even a no-brainer, if I were in their shoes too I'll choose a country with better facilities and organisation over the one where I'll have to beg and go on strike before I get paid my dues

jihday:
Southgate set to hand both Tomori and Abraham call-ups

Both of them are in, list officially released

Kog45:
Hmmm,wetin we go do.

Nigeria league is dead and to revive it would take a miracle which is not even feasible for now based on what i saw of Nigeria leagues in the 80s,90s and part of early 2000s.

I see how humility 017 has been murmurings about NPFL,coaches and how he was so frustrated about football set up in Nigeria leagues but what is certain we cannot run away from reality facing us.Thanks to these FBs boys coming up and serving as rescuers.

Those of us,may be icon4s,goldfish80,omonbala,Kokmne, thegoodjoe, forgiveness etc who had the opportunities of following Nigeria football development since 80s can say much about how it went wronged.

Nigeria football was beauty to watch in the 80s with high class of coaches,namely Father Tiko,Otto Gloria,Alabi Aissien of Bendel Insurance, James Peter,Chris Udemezie,Paul Hamilton,Willy Bazuaye,Jossy Lad of Leventis utd fame,Dominguez an Argentine who coached Rancher bees in the 80s,Joe Erico,Tunde Disu,Kadiri Ikhana,Baraje,Kafaru Alab,Kelechi Emereole,Alphonsus Dike etc

These are the coaches that shaped Nigeria football they are well schooled when it comes to football with different refresher coaching courses in abroad and far better than the coaches we have now managing our players.

Also good football administrators who are ready to sacrifice for the growth of the beautiful game are on ground,administrators like Anthony Ikhazobo,Emeka Omeruo,Nathaniel Idowu the father of Philip Idowu a british runner,Isaac Akioye,Patrick Okpomo,Sylvester Akibwumi,SB Williams,Greek born John Mastroudus etc.

Then it was a joy watching Nigeria league with player like Emma Okala,Segin Odegbami who i still rated as the best winger to ever come out of Africa,Muda Lawal who Ndidi Wilfred still has his record to beat,this league produced best of the best wigers like Adokiye Aimiesemeka, Felix Owolabi,Humphrey Edobor,Folorunsho Okenla,James Etokebe,Friday Elaho, Emma Amuneke,Chris ohenhen, Victor Ikpeba, these left wingers that our talented Chuckwueze would find it difficult to bench but they are products of the now dead leagues.

Oh anytime i remembered Segun Odegbami,Benji Nzeakor,Tarila Okoronwata,Wole Odegbami,Augustine Igbinabaro,Ndubuisi Okosieme,Emma Okocha,Uwem Ekarika,Jide Oguntuase,Tijani Babaginda,Finidi George etc i laughed at people rating Simeon Moses,Samuel Kalu,Oyekwuru,Olayinka and co,these guys cannot lace the boots of these old wingers.And these guys are product of the same league.

I watched one of eagles old tapes against Mexico and i saw how good was home based Ajibade Babalade in that match.Godwin Okpara was delighted to watch,a CB with beautiful skills.Chidi Nwanu was so strong as CB despite being a very average in height,Ben Iroha was a product of this league playing for eagles,Finidi entered eagles starting eleven as home based,Thompson Oliha the samething,Moses Npakor also as home based player.

I remembered Peter Rufai,Patrick Ikeji,Best Ogedegbe,Willy Agbonibare,Raymond Best,William Opara,Lateef Yusuf who still has the record of highest clean sheets in Nigeria. These keepers are products of Nigeria league, not to talk of Enyeama,Ejide,Aiyenugba,Etafia or era of Biodun Baruwa,Emma Babayaro,Dosu Joseph,Bode Babbignton,Leye Akinde,Victor Gbenebichie but now no keeper good enough for eagles, we need to resort to a div 3 keeper in Okoye Maduka,wahala dey,the league is dead.

I just don't know what we can do to revive Nigeria football,i mean NPFL.In the 80s,90s we have university students playing in the same leagues, player like Emma Olisadebe,Peter Ayilobi,Gabriel Jigbale,Edith Agoye,Adeolu Adekola,Andrew Uwe,Impowosa Omoregie,Niyi Ogunlana,Seyi Olofinjana,Nosa Osadolor,Yemi Akinyanju, etc.

Humidity baba,i know your grievances but what can we do to solve this issue still remained a mirage.

CC:Icon4s,Michael2,goldfish80,forgiveness, Taliban,tbaba,Kokmne.

The problem is quite much, from bad administrators to corruption to poor economy even a visible drop in quality

Southgate set to hand both Tomori and Abraham call-ups

andrew444:
Trainer knows no shit, na make dem give player chance for field abeg

And i am not even comparing both of them, but dont judge a player who is not having game time

There are some players that will have bad games and the coach will still refuse to give the ones in the bench chance

I'm not comparing them but Maguire was massive and very good, do you expect Rodgers to throw him to the bench IFO a rookie? If the guy plays badly it could backfire and may never regain confidence

TheGoodJoe:
I am not sold.

Joao Felix has done virtually nothing in the game of football but I am head over heels for him. Haaland is just starting but I am thrilled by him.

I watched Bernado Silva and Mbappe in that game. I was over the moon with Bernado Silva and Lemar's performance, over Mbappe.

It is a thing of preference.

Mbappe has been brilliant but not yet won me over. I like and respect the dude. I am just not yet sold. Not a kid that will have me turning off something I am doing to watch excitedly.

but you are totally sold on Iheanacho, nice logic

andrew444:
He is not playing so you cant know how good he is

their trainer knows and he concluded he's not better

eazyjakes:
Easy bro.....u did question my assertion dat Mbappe is class more than 2yrs ago

Bro why you like this na this was when them dey clear us that Iheanacho is better than Mbappe. Chei

TheGoodJoe:
Haaland was on the bench yesterday. Did that mean he was not good enough for the game yesterday?

He later came in and scored.

Soyuncu was on the bench last season, did that mean he was not good enough then?

he was not better than Maguire

Look at this arsenal bench looking like a Nigerian team bench, those of you who are against foreign born una go tire

Joebie:
But in the quote he said “right now..”
Nothing hilarious about it to me. If the likes of Success and Iheanacho have followed a better path to development they would likely be stealing headlines like Osimhen today. I personally don’t famcy our players rushing to the EPL.

As at then he'll comfortably make any English club youth team

Joebie:
Way to go. If many Nigerians think like you the county for don progress tey tey.

body just dey pepper those saying he's not good, the boy is just 22 if he keep his head down he'll surely improve. They said Alli will get 2 caps too but he his proving them wrong.

TheSuperNerd:
Nigeria U-23 know their opponents....

The race to Tokyo 2020 Olympics.

Starts: November 8

this group is quite easy Imama better let his head be correct

Tomori is a beast, will be very nice if we can get him

Toylove:
Osimhen to score, Chelsea to win

Baba please tell me when will I buy that Benz?

South Africans......

forgiveness:
You only focused on his national team stats. Why not holistically.

a little busy now, maybe later but the point is statistics only tell half of the story.

forgiveness:
You only focused on his national team stats. Why not holistically.

that means at least you agree that going by stat he shouldn't be called a Nigerian legend

andrew444:
Okocha issa central midfielder

Check kanu stats when he was crowned african footballer of the year twice

Football is by stats

12 goals in 87 games? No world cup or afcon goal, using Liberia and other small teams go get the 12 goals even Ighalo did better with far less than 50 caps,but if you saw him play then you'll know his influence on games was much more than goals and assist

ChrisKels:
Lol EPL team looking lost in a high intensity match against out of form Bayern


Tot 1 - 4 Bayern

Bayern isn't out of form tho