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coogar:
are you the sister behind me with a shady chewing stick in her mouth? i hail you o.


because bimbo must have had her international passport before she got married and she answers her maiden name on it.
the brits will identify her with the name on her passport not the mr and mrs whatever they bear in nigeria. it's a no brainer.

, u r unbelievable Coogar. You sure do have a "logical" and "truthful" explanation for all things fraudulent. What a joke! .

Siena:

Where has it been declared, by the British criminal justice system, that Bimbo is a criminal? It would appear you've given her that tag yourself. If she were a criminal, she would have been charged, with or without the option of bail.

Ha! Mr Man, I was talking in general terms there. If convicted, then she can be termed a criminal but until such time, her actions are in my view wrong.

There is nothing bizarre about my comparisons. I am merely showing how we Nigerians are very good at tapping into emotions and God to justify a wrong doing.

Enough of this. Over and out. Next interesting topic here I come!

Siena:
How do you correlate the activities of a terrorist, with a mother wanting survival for her premature quintuplets? So Bimbo has committed an atrocity? Wanting your children to survive, is more than justifiable. Unless you expect Bimbo to take an eight-hour flight to Nigeria, with five premature babies?

As for supporting Bimbo, I'll continue to do so. A lot of Nigerians today, who were born in the UK and US have little or no idea how their parents left the shores of Nigeria many moons ago. Or what their parents did to give birth in the countries they travelled to. Can we all honestly, hand on heart, say all our parents paid their bills abroad, and did not use the system in some form or the other? If our parents told us what they did to have us in the UK, US etc that did made use of the system in one way or the other, would we condemn them?

Sometimes, it's best to think outside the box, before condemning the actions of others, actions our own parents may well be guilty of.

I made reference to the actions of terrorists because you are all focusing on the reason why she did it when you should be balancing it nicely against the wrongdoing itself.

A terrorist may argue that he became one after seeing the west bombing his village and killing his wife and kids. This (and I am sure you will agree with me) does not in any way justify his going on to kill other innocent people. Bimbo has not killed anybody but has indirectly contributed to the future refusal of another person in her situation. How would you feel if that person happens to be one of your relations, who then goes on to lose the baby due to the lack of adequate medical care in Nigeria?

Again, some Nigerians where supporting Pastor Odulele even after he was convicted of child abuse. "Its the devil o, shame on the devil, we still love you Pastor, we still support you pastor", common !stop it! Owun ti o da o da.

Every criminal if questioned has a reason for what they did. Majority of the Nigerians here have chosen to focus their arguments on the sentiments involved. What I am saying is what she did is wrong and she should face the consequences. As I said before, sentiments can be considered when considering how much she should pay back etcccc.

i am not too concerned about my taxes and being a mother myself,I'm happy that she gave birth safely but lets call a spade a spade. No need for her to come and insult our intelligence with some half baked sob story.

claremont:
My point is that the immigration rules regarding the NHS may have been there before Bimbo but they were not been enforced, because if they were, we would not have this case on our hands. The singular action of Bimbo may lead to a 100% enforcement of the pre-existing rules without mercy, or a promulgation of more stringent rules. That's my point, I don't see any reason why I would want to "score cheap brownie points" on a fraud.

Well said Claremont. Its amazing how people are supporting her because of the "reason why she did it" blah blah blah. Even Terrorists have a (misguided) reason why they commit atrocities too now , but that does not make the act itself right .

Nigeria will be better if its citizens stop justifying the unjustifiable.Simples!

@ Coogar, unless you are really her husband or complicit in her plan, you are equally as in the dark as I am with regards what the true story is. You seem to be ferociously arguing her case whilst claiming all you know is what you have read.

BTW Coogar, you do not have to be dying to apply for a medical visa. Medical visa encompasses alot of things from cosmetic surgery, having a baby to life threatening surgeries. There is also absolutely no need for a learned person to throw in cheap insults when putting forward a different opinion or argument. I will therefore not even dignify your cheap and subtle insults with a response.

Moving forward;

Bimbo bought fertility drugs at a pharmacist and must have known it carried a high risk of multiple births(unless she wants to claim illiteracy) FACT
Bimbo knew she was pregnant(the number of babies is immaterial at this stage) when she was at the very least applying for the visitors visa FACT
Bimbo failed to apply for the correct visa applicable to her circumstance FACT
The requirements for applying for Medical treatment visa are more stringent as suppose to a visitors visa FACT
Bimbo (conveniently) prematurely had her babies whilst in the UK on her visitors visa FACT
Bimbo has accessed public funds(£1 0r £1million) she is not entitled to FACT
Bimbo has not returned to Nigeria since giving birth FACT
Bimbo is now working as an Avon lady which indicates that she has no intention of returning to Nigeria anytime soon FACT
Bimbo now claims her husband has abandoned her and the children FACT
Bimbo also claims she has no support network in Nigeria FACT

Contrary to your assertion, Bimbo has committed a crime by breaching the Immigration Rules-Working(Avon na work) contrary to the conditions of her visitor's visa and having recourse to public funds, again contrary to the conditions of her visitor's visa. A breach of the Immigration Rules is a crime!!!

Conclusion based on the above and leaving sentiments out of it, She is a fraud and my main crux(I keep saying this) is that it may affect other Nigerians future visa application. Nobody is perfect(God knows we all have our little skeletons in the cupboard) but lets call a spade a spade and when it comes to consequences of ones action, we can mitigate it with sentiments to reduce the sentence but stop trying to justify the actual wrong doing!

@Coogar, you have totally contradicted your argument and I am afraid your point has gotten lost in interpretation. Seyibrown said it all in response to your post. Bimbo WILL NOT have been given a visitors visa if she had told the ECO she was coming here to have a baby. She would have had to prove that she had the funds to pay for the birth etc and be granted a visa for Private medical treatment.

Clearly Bimbo did not have enough funds to get the proper visa and cunningly planned to get a visitors visa and get in through the back door. This is fraud and will only make things difficult for future applicants. Please address that rather than tap into emotions that in my view is wasted on Bimbo's case.

We are only giving our opinion with the little information we have read in the papers, we certainly do not know all the gory details but based on what I have read, She planned this all along and purely because of the implications it may have for our other Nigerians, I am against what she did. Happy for her that she and her children are safe but boy, she is a fraud!

I don't understand why we Nigerians are very good at justifying the unjustifiable.Tapping into emotions and God to justify wrongdoing. Yoruba says "owun ti o da o da". This is the same way some crazy people were supporting Pastor Odulele when he was accused and convicted of child abuse(blaming the devil, his uncle and the dog).

I am a mother of 2 boys and understand the desire for a woman to want to give birth to her child safely but in Bimbo's case this is wrong!!!!!.
I am happy for her that her children were born safely but it does not discount the fact that she is a fraud and has planned everything nicely. Her justification will be that she wanted to give birth safely-all good and I for one will not begrudge her that. All that cock and bull story about not having family in Nigeria, no roof over her head blah,blah,blah is rubbish and we all know it.

My major problem with this is the stigma it has attached to our already tarnished image and the impact it may have on Nigerians making visa applications and trying to come to the UK in the future.

If she is sure that her motive was purely safe delivery, let her arrange how she can pay back the money in installments and as soon as the babies are well, she should pay for her and her children's ticket and return to Nigeria.All respect to her if she does that. If she doesn't and tries to prolong her stay and keep milking it then British govt will be fully justified in introducing measures that will no doubt affect future visa applicants,

@ poster

I believe you have 3 months from the refusal date to make a Judicial Review application to the High court.Normally you should have been granted a right of appeal but again I do not know the ins and outs of your particular circumstance so cannot say for certain(you may be here illegally and not entitled to an in country right of appeal).

The merit of your application is another  separate matter-application based on living with a partner for at least 2 years and akin to marriage, how old are your kids?-although 7 year rule has been abolished but the age of the children will still be considered and the older they are, they more weight it will carry while considering your case.I presume they were both born in the UK. Obviously, your Solicitor has all the facts and will have considered that you have a good chance.

Back to your question, your solicitor has sent a letter before action and ideally they should respond to it but they have been known to ignore such letters. They are only under a legal obligation to respond to the MP's letters within 14 days so Solicitors's letters sometimes take a back seat. Since your solicitor has given them 14 days notice of your intention to lodge JR, he/she can now file the same at the High Court.

JR is very expensive and the losing party will be ordered to pay the costs of the other party so you will need to discuss the merits of your application with your Solicitor well.

Without knowing the full facts of your case, no one can give you a full advice (I appreciate this forum is not ideal to be divulging your personal story).

Good luck.

I guess things have gone down hill then, ! I used them in December 2009 and had no major complaints save for a rude flight attendant but having said that that particular passenger had it coming by a million mile.

Is this going to end up like another Bellview?!!! What a shame

On a more general note, naija customer service is appalling so its not just limited to airline travel. If I go to a naija shop in Peckham or anywhere, the staff attitude is BADDDD especially if you try to talk like a civilised person. The only language they understand is if you decide to stand up and talk with an attitude as well. One thing I also note is that we as a nation are rude so we are bound to bring out the worse in other people. E.G queue jumping amongst our people is rife and I find myself telling a few people off for it.

Anyways, back to Arik, all airlines have their off days-BA(terminal 5 opening, lost baggages, delayed flights, not communicating with passengers, union strikes-, Virgin(unscheduled stops in Abuja to "refuel" etc) but if you have more complaints than praises then the only way is down!

Okay! Eagerly awaiting feedbacks from passengers after 1 September.

@vicjustice, before you decide to rain abuses on me- I am definitely not fat(lepa for life), not ugly, not unemployed or without prospects so I do not have a complex about what you posted as it does not remotely apply to me.

I am just of the opinion that your post/view on the topic is extremely shallow and ignorant. You are perfectly entitled to your view and I am entitled to agree with it or not and in this case, we will just have to agree to disagree.

I think I agree with majority of the post here that claim that we Nigerians have caused it. This is our mess caused by years of abusing the system that we have now been tarnished with the fraud brush. I may say there is nothing wrong with that as other countries have their flaws, India(fraud), turkey,Amsterdam(drugs), Latvia, Serbia etc(people trafficking), West Indies(violent crimes), Nigeria(Fraud).Nigerians will just have to live with this stereotype.

Years ago when I was working in the Royal Courts of Justice, I got chatting to one of the Oyinbo High Court judges, he asked me where I was from and I said Nigeria. He then said(as a matter of fact, no offence intended) that whenever he has a Nigerian accused before him, it is more likely fraud/deception whilst a Jamaican accused is more likely a violent crime like rape, assault etc. I went to a seminar yesterday and again Nigeria was mentioned in relation to fraud, equally Holland was mentioned in relation to Prostitution. I was not offended and felt slightly disappointed that it had come to this.

Face it , the papers are not sensationalising anything. fact is fact. We are known for that and as Justwise has said, the minute you hear fraud in the news, 8 times out of 10, a Nigerian name will be included in the mix.

UKBA and BHC are truly justified in dealing with us sceptically. As a Nigerian, I will not appreciate people coming into my country and abusing the law etc so serious vetting must be done. Fake documents in relation to anything is rife in Nigeria e.g buying a house, doing business, visa applications etc. I have come across them all.

So,leave them to it, its their borders and they can protect it as ferociously and unfairly(u claim) as they want.

All you and I can do is present ourselves with dignity and integrity and hopefully those we come across will treat us with respect and realise that not all Nigerians are like that.
As one poster also suggested, the problem is with us not them. Lets clean up our acts so that those that come in will maintain and respect the good standards we have set.

justwise:
Yes the spam is struggling with[b] your advanced grammar[/b] and decided to block it . . .only the mod can help us with that.

Nice one mate, .Please fix Mr Moderator!

@justwise

Thanks hun. Not sure why I was blocked (something about a spam, ).Hopefully, will get sorted out soon.

@tellme

It is not entirely clear why you suddenly withdrew your appeal and returned to Nigeria, especially in light of the fact that your permission to appeal was granted on a point of law and the matter remitted back to the IAT/AIT(as it was called back then-now called First tier tribunal). This reconsideration may have allowed another judge to overturn the previous judges decision, although he may just apply the correct law, apply sound reasoning and still come to the same decision hence a favourable decision would not have been 100% guaranteed in any event.

It could be inferred by your withdrawal from the appeal in 2008 that you conceded the point and that the decision of the ECO to refuse you leave to enter was correct, hence your subsequent refusal in 2011 for the alleged breach in April 2007. You have not stated why you withdrew or at least what reasons your solicitors put forward for your withdrawal back then.

Moving forward, your administrative review appears to have been refused(correct me if I 'm wrong) and it would appear that your best bet now is to appeal-effectively challenging your recent refusal and reopening the case against you. Please be warned that this will not be easy as the ECO may try to claim that you voluntarily withdrawed from the appeal and cannot be allowed to revisit it by using "back door" tactics. Any appeal to the tribunal must include credible reasons why your withdrew from your previous appeal as ECO will try to discredit your claim using this.

Also, I am not sure what type of course you have booked yourself on. You have applied as a family visitor and my understanding is that in accordance with the Immigration rules in relation to visitors, one of the requirements is that "does not intend to undertake a course of study". I cannot say any more until you state what kind of course you booked yourself on.

Sorry I cannot give more detailed advice but have tried to help with the information you have given.

@poster. Is this not you?

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-463497.0.html

@poster, you are not very good at this at all!!!!!!- I mean Yinka Paul same mobile number as John Sho, Houses, badmus 100.

The first sign of a scammer is their poor English and lack of intellect. Lets weed out the scammers. Besides that picture of yours(if it is truly you) in that other link looks highly suspect. I bet you had ankara trousers on from the waist down,

Name and Shame them I say.

@Suxes2005 and others, I don't understand the threats!!!!!, If you are not a scammer then Justwise should not be a problem. If you feel he has labelled you wrongly prove him wrong(trust me people are not stupid and can make their own minds up regardless of what anybody says). There is absolutely no need or justification for threatening him, it only goes to prove that he may be right and on to something after all.

Back off Justwise if you really are running a kosher business! If you get too defensive  too quickly by what he says then clearly you have something to hide. Focus on what you are doing if its the right thing, Justwise is NOT the problem!!!.

Oh and another thing it is blasphemous to call the name of the lord whilst threatening someone and screaming obscenities.

Firmly behind you on this one Justwise.Our very own Nairaland resident "watchdog".

Keep flying the flag and name and shame those scammers.

I was born and brought up in Kano before I left for UK at the age of 17. My memories of Kano are great. I remember Sabon gari market, Kano club, Tiga Dam to mention a few. I really enjoyed my boarding school in Kazaure. Unfortunately I do not have photos here. Without going into detail, my understanding is that things are not what they used to be anymore there.

However, sticking on the positive, absolutely fantastic and happy memories, and yes I do have a pointed nose and can speak Hausa fluently but am a southerner born and brought up in Kano.

In sha Allah zen koma Kano wata rana.Zen je ingeshe duk kawa na.(not sure if I can still write it well, never mind, cant even write Yoruba well).

Proud to come from Kano state and Ogun State.

agathamari sums it up nicely, its YOUR CHOICE and you live with it whatever situation you find yourself. I put the blame on our mentality and the Nigerian leaders.

We have to change our mentality by thinking the white people are better and put them on this pedestal.Alot of Nigerians I have come across here in the UK (even the ones with accent) pretend they are not in touch with the Nigerian people/culture or way of life and try to distance themselves from anything Nigerian. They feel that by doing this, they will be accepted by the whites and appear superior to other Nigerians. It is this mentality that has infected most of us that everybody thinks, I have to go to UK, Europe, lapland, whatever at all cost to succeed.

This misconception leads people to obtain visitors visa, overstay, work as care workers, cleaners etc and complain of having to wait 14 years before they can become legal and go back home to see their family. Even have the guts to complain of slavery. YOU MADE THAT CHOICE THEN YOU LIVE BY THE RULES! simple!

Every country has the right to control immigration and influx of people coming in and out of their country. I know for certain, that we Nigerians will not allow the white people(or other nationals) to troop in and out of our country without some sort of control and regulation.

Our leaders need to do more to repair the country so that we can be proud of our country and not feel the need to go to other countries to settle. If this happens, trust me we can confidently stick two fingers to other countries and their strict (you reckon) immigration rules.

All the beautiful ladies and men you refer to that work as care workers etc have their reasons for doing it. Some because they love it and it is the career path they want to follow, some because they have no papers and that is the only option.

Whether we like it or not, if you choose to come here and remain here illegally, you have chosen to restrict your progress, employment wise(although some illegals have been lucky to still keep very good jobs, even buy a car and a house). You cannot complain. The Laws of the land are very clear-Nigeria too get law.

And if you are here legally, the world is your oyster-more opportunities open to you.Again it is YOUR CHOICE wthether you utilise them or not.

I say the best solution is for us to have a more positive attitude towards our country and work towards change. Once that is done, others will respect us.I mean, imagine that Nigeria that is rich in oil should be having fuel scarcity, talk about not taking care of your own.

absolutely hilarious, cant stop laughing at my desk,

@ Siena, I think you are digressing from your earlier point and/or going into the aftermath of their actions. Personally, those involved in this plan(father, mother, daughter, husband etc) would have considered these consequences and in my opinion does not have lasting implications. I don't recall the need to give details of my divorces etc to anybody else. Since her husband knows the deal then nobody else needs to know or matters.(well now the whole world knows, but so what?)

About him not doing something 30 years ago, foresight is an amazing gift that most mere mortals do not possess. Maybe as someone on the thread suggested, he needed to sort his papers out first or just did not get the correct legal advice or plain and simple did not know.

About the psychological implications for the children, I went to boarding school in Nigeria and was beaten well by teachers, I carried water on my head for miles on end, domestic violence is not new, my dad beat me with koboko if I did something wrong etc, (in modern UK world, I should be psychologically scarred but no , I am riding high and still love, respect and take care of my parents).Whatever the case maybe we are only speculating and should not judge.

There are far worse and disgusting going ons in the world, lets put things into perspective.

There is nothing revolting or disgraceful about what he did in comparison to other atrocities. We live in a world where every Taboo has been broken and boundaries crossed. I am not saying it is not a criminal act i.e the act of deception etc but in the grand scheme of things and (in my own opinion) should not be crucified.

Common people, if gay people are now allowed to "marry", daughters are being raped and impregnated by their fathers, children are being used for money rituals, body parts being sold openly for money rituals, brother sleeps with sister(knowing that they are related or not), animals are sleeping with humans, the list goes scarily on. WHAT MORAL BOUNDARIES DO WE HAVE LEFT?.

As sad as the moral aspect of this matter is, as far as I am concerned, though wrong, it is understandable as long as it has not crossed the boundary of sleeping together or any other sinister thing. The legal aspect is different as this is a crime and if found guilty should face the consequence.

I accept that everyone is entitled to their opinion but once again I say, we need to get off our high horse on this issue and check ourselves. We are so quick to judge yet we all have at least one skeleton in our cupboards.

Nigasingh sums up my thought on this issue. We are commenting on the premise that the story is true abi?

The father did what he did for the love of his daughther. This is not new news. at least he appears to only do it for status not that he was sleeping with her.(what is really disgusting is the Asians who are allowed to marry their cousins and Europeans who sleep with their mother, father, daughther son etc). This is different.

As per the negative implication for Nigerians, PLEASE majority of the Nigerians in this country came here initially with at least a little "hidden motive" even if they did it legally. Students coming here and conviniently meet "the love of their life" marrying and remaining here since then or doing different courses every year to continue to remain here; HSMP/TIER 1 applicants too; visitors, get the visa(albeit legally) with the hidden intention to come and "taku" here. So everyone has done a "white lie" at some point with regards status in this country, some serious and others not so serious. So lets get off our moral high horse and stop crucifying the man, whatever the real case may be.

I am in no way supporting criminal behaviour or deception but we need to check ourselves first. As far as Immigration is concerned, anything goes for us Nigerians(mind you the Pakistanis, Chinese etc all have their own, perhaps even more). So this story is not a novel one and not specific to Nigeria only.

As for the whisltle blower, clap for yourself, you have outdone yourself and wish you all the best in life.