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RomanceRe: +18 How I Raped My Self On Christmas Eve by jkarmstrong(m): 8:15pm On Dec 25, 2016
in a weird way I found this a bit funny. Now to answer your question I think you are normal just a bit eccentric. take care of yourself.
CelebritiesRe: Tekno Shades Headies Organisers At Rhythm Unplugged' by jkarmstrong(m): 5:56pm On Dec 24, 2016
Finally finally tekno for park, close mouth. We know say him pass the award, we know say next rated no be the category him suppose dey. But if to say na me be am ehn, I for humble myself as they nominate me, close mouth, go the award show, collect the award jejely--------if they give me----- if they no give me go my house go sleep quietly, because men more award still dey front. If he continues to work hard, maybe next year sef, the same hip TV way underrate am as next rated fit use their own hand give am artiste of the year. Humility na virtue o.
InvestmentRe: MMM Runs To Kenya After Swindling Nigerians. Promises 40% Per Month by jkarmstrong(m): 10:24pm On Dec 15, 2016
Famsey:
But really, I have a question for this stuff. Why don't they take it to developed countries like US, Canada, etc??
It's illegal, that is why. In Nigeria, at this moment, it isn't. The law is silent on ponzi schemes---------no express injunction banning it, but over there because they have got history with ponzi schemes, the letter of the law is express. Attempt to manage or promote ponzi schemes means jail time. No 2 ways around it, no its my money allow me do whatever I what with it, the promoters are caught and jailed finito.
InvestmentRe: MMM Runs To Kenya After Swindling Nigerians. Promises 40% Per Month by jkarmstrong(m): 10:14pm On Dec 15, 2016
kennyhydee:
My guy, kolewerk there, Y? Simple ppl there think with their brains unlike in Africa where ppl think there their buttholes!!
Actually it's because it is illegal over there. Any one caught promoting or managing a ponzi scheme, jail straight. No I dey come, I dey go.
CrimeRe: Three Men Arrested For Engaging Neighbours’ Sister In Sex Romp by jkarmstrong(m): 6:58am On Dec 04, 2016
kolaaderin:
All this name checkers self, where is the so called crime here, she offers to to be the dasuki of sex to all neighbours at her own will except the lady is question is a minor , I see absolutely no crime here.
And with more light to this story I would not be surprised the lady would be their sisters from the land of Jews because na them sabi do Rita Claus wellaa.

angry

Modified, this one na Ronke Claus , the fathers name na Animashaun . well still no crime so far she if above age of conscience.
Guy look well you go see the crime. You don forget say they beat the girl aunty? That one no be crime for una side? No crime if na only sex, but crime dey well well if they beat the woman. That's assault and battery, and those boys should be kept behind bars for their stupidity.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Barcelona Vs Real Madrid: El Clasico (1 - 1) On 3rd December 2016 by jkarmstrong(m): 8:30pm On Dec 03, 2016
People comparing la-liga and the EPL have to understand that it is an entirely useless comparison. No one is better than the other. And if you think otherwise it is a thing of simply preference. There is no objective and perfect measure to judge them. One could point to the uefa ranking of leagues by point, where la-liga leads, and has led for more than half a decade, but this is a flawed system of measuring the strength of leagues.

But even more flawed and useless is the idea of measuring the strength of the leagues on the basis of the success of players transferred between them. Not only is this purely anecdotal, relying on biased and subjective evaluation of what ranks as successful transfer, it completely disregards or underestimates nuanced factors, other than the obvious quality of players or the league, that contributes to a successful transfer. It mightn't even take into consideration how much the selling league have contributed to the technical development of the player before awarding them free points and credit for developing the player.

A player like Luis Suarez, for instance, came to the premier league from the dutch league already fully formed and mature in the technical aspect of his game. The most important part of his development taking place in ajax and groningen. In looking at his transfer from liverpool to barcelona does one give credit to liverpool and by extension the premier league for the emergence of Luis Suarez, or do we credit the dutch clubs? It is a thankless task impossible to properly quantify, making it consequently futile. But this is the everyday nature of the modern football transfer. It is rare to find players who have been exclusively influenced, and developed, in a particular league-----as is the case with La masia graduates----------making it pointless to give any one league full credit for a players development.

No one can deny that the premier league have sold some great players and not so great players to the Spanish league, while others have moved the other way, but to use this as evidence of which league is stronger and better is plain wrong and misleading.
SportsRe: Is Cristiano Ronaldo Really Better That Messi?? Have Your Say by jkarmstrong(m): 6:59pm On Nov 30, 2016
Shikena:
Pele won the world cup 3 times and also won Copa America. Maldini won the world cup. C Ronaldo won the Euro. If Messi won't venture out of comfortable Barca then he will have to stop choking at the national team level to stake a valid claim.
u see ur life? Where maldini dey dey win world cup? maldini didn't win d world cup
CrimeRe: Final Year UNN Student Commits Sucide. by jkarmstrong(m): 10:11am On Nov 28, 2016
keshconnections:
#INVESTIGATIONS PLEASE!
U can't hang urself and ur mouth will be closed.
I suspect Murder and Cover up attempt!
Suicide is not in the Nigerian blood!
Your last statement makes things worse. Just edit it out, and let's pretend you never wrote it.
LiteratureRe: Chimamanda Adichie On Trump, Racism And The KKK (Video) by jkarmstrong(m): 10:08pm On Nov 14, 2016
cashwhisperer:
New here, I'm a Black American and signed up on this forum because I wish to dialog with Black Africans about the global condition of black people. I'm here out of respect. I wish to share my views and also learn from yours.

Black people can be bigoted/prejudiced, meaning not liking someone or mistreating someone based on color. Here in America however, many Black Americans view racism as something different. Racism is not only being bigoted/prejudiced, but also having the power to put massive action behind that bigotry/prejudice.

What are the ways that white racism can adversely affect the lives of black people? In the 9 main areas, which include Economics, Education, Entertainment, Labor, Law, Politics, Religion, Sex, & War, white people dominate Blacks/Non-Whites globally.

On the flipside, what are the ways that blacks adversely affect the lives of white people in those areas?....

It's a power dynamic, in which black people, regardless of country/tribe/state, currently have no ability to dominate whites like they do us.

Someone also mentioned the success of Black celebrities in America as if that equalizes Blacks to whites. However, still, the power dynamic is 99% of the time always in place. Sure Snoop Dogg is worth 113 million dollars, but his boss David Geffen is worth 6.7 billion. There is history as to why Blacks haven't been able to equalize themselves with whites in America such as Black Wall Street, Rosewood, Knoxville and many other communities where blacks created thriving businesses and economies that were destroyed, literally bombed by whites. The movement for equal rights in the 60's led to blacks becoming MORE dependent on whites rather than building their own. And this was done through covert AND overt practices.
look men, I feel your pain, but the power dynamics you speak about isn't there only because of racism. Black America and America in general has a peculiar history, and even more unique present, and although race and racism has played a huge part in it, I'm not going to put everything down to race.
LiteratureRe: A Mother's Joy: Etisalat Flash Fiction Prize Entry. by jkarmstrong(op): 11:10pm On Nov 10, 2016
jkarmstrong:
A big think you to any potential voter. Hopefully I get enough votes to make it to the next stage
This should be thank you. For a so-called writer a dumb mistake to make.
LiteratureRe: A Mother's Joy: Etisalat Flash Fiction Prize Entry. by jkarmstrong(op): 10:01pm On Nov 09, 2016
A big think you to any potential voter. Hopefully I get enough votes to make it to the next stage
LiteratureA Mother's Joy: Etisalat Flash Fiction Prize Entry. by jkarmstrong(op):
Here is my entry for the etisalat flash fiction prize. Its a simple story about teenage pregnancy. Presently I have got zero votes. Please follow the link and vote, and help a brother. Peace.

https://prize.etisalat.com.ng/flash-fiction/
voteall.php?id=396.



A mother's joy.


I could tell you of the exact moment, and the
exact hour, and the
exact time of day, of the exact month and year,
I'd
probed round my belly and knew for certain that
an illegitimate child was growing inside me.


I could tell you how immediately my heart sunk
far deep into my stomach that I wouldn’t
have been altogether surprised to have seen it
ejected out along with the unwanted fetus, and
bits
of hot, brownish fecal matter already
bearing down my anus.



My exact thoughts were: Chidi you're finished
finished. And if you'd been there to see
how me, initially standing, started to
slowly shrink into a sobbing, miniature ball
rolled up the toilet floor I think you'd
have completely agreed.
But finished did not even begin to describe
things. Firstly, in unambiguous terms, this meant
bye-bye
till whenever ‘September- university-
matriculation.'( if-
ever, we meet again old friend.) Next, it meant a
resounding slap delivered at the centre of my
left ear
that I can still hear the taaaaaa! ringing
occasionally.


I could tell you more things: My botched abortion
attempts, Tunde’s predictable denial, the follow
up depression; or even of my being kept in
hiding, completely shut out from friends and
prying
neighbours; while my parents and siblings did me
-----or themselves, the favor of telling everyone
I’d gained a ruse university admission.
But what would any of these change?


Nothing.



So I'll tell you nothing of them instead, tell you of
the
exact moment I’d first held my child in my
arms-----the newborn kicking and screaming,
infant hope and promise hanging on his
head --my joy indescribable like a rush of
wind so powerful and dignified that it did not
matter in that moment what'd come before, or
what might even come
after.
LiteratureRe: The Etisalat Flash Fiction Contest Has Started. These Are My 7 Best Stories by jkarmstrong(m): 7:19pm On Nov 09, 2016
Nice list. But how about this entry. A mother's joy.
https://prize.etisalat.com.ng/flash-fiction/voteall.php?id=396. please try and vote for it. na zero the story dey na

I could tell you of the exact moment, and the exact hour, and the
exact time of day, of the exact month and year, I'd
probed round my belly and knew for certain that an illegitimate child was growing inside me.


I could tell you how immediately my heart sunk
far deep into my stomach that I wouldn’t
have been altogether surprised to have seen it
ejected out along with the unwanted fetus, and bits
of hot, brownish fecal matter already
bearing down my anus.


My exact thoughts were: Chidi you're finished
finished. And if you'd been there to see
how me, initially standing, started to
slowly shrink into a sobbing, miniature ball
rolled up the toilet floor I think you'd
have completely agreed.


But finished did not even begin to describe things. Firstly, in unambiguous terms, this meant bye-bye
till whenever ‘September- university- matriculation.'( if-
ever, we meet again old friend.) Next, it meant a resounding slap delivered at the centre of my left ear
that I can still hear the taaaaaa! ringing occasionally.


I could tell you more things: My botched abortion
attempts, Tunde’s predictable denial, the follow up depression; or even of my being kept in hiding, completely shut out from friends and prying
neighbours; while my parents and siblings did me -----or themselves, the favor of telling everyone I’d gained a ruse university admission.


But what would any of these change?

Nothing.


So I'll tell you nothing of them instead, tell you of the
exact moment I’d first held my child in my
arms-----the newborn kicking and screaming,
infant hope and promise hanging on his
head --my joy indescribable like a rush of
wind so powerful and dignified that it did not
matter in that moment what'd come before, or
what might even come
after.
LiteratureRe: Departed In Flames-etisalat Flash Fiction Entry. by jkarmstrong(m): 5:09am On Nov 09, 2016
Jobs/VacanciesRe: Nigeria Police 2016 Recruitment Of 10,000 Personnel by jkarmstrong(m): 5:35pm On Aug 17, 2016
seems like that fslc shit came back to bite me in the ass. got my only b dere. anyway sha am still hoping. #keepinghopealive. team imo
CelebritiesRe: Eucharia Anunobi: My Father Refused To Sponsor Me To University As A Girl by jkarmstrong(m): 7:33am On Jul 31, 2016
Eucharia Anunobi manufacturing konji since 1992
CrimeRe: Father Rapes Daughters In Akwa Ibom Without Condoms (pic) by jkarmstrong(m): 12:29am On Jul 30, 2016
The law should take its course-------due punishment should be served not castration-----but am I the only one to find the man's ridiculous defence absurd to the point of being strangely funny? I was laughing out loud and for a really long time when I read this:



“ I suspected that Imaobong has had sex with a man. But when I inserted my manhood into her vagina, I discovered that she had never had sex. At that point, I immediately removed my manhood from her vagina. ” As if carrying out the ‘manhood test’ on Imaobong wasn’t enough, Amah, also decided to verify Enobong’s virginity. He said: “In the case of Enobong, I also intended to find out if she has had sexual intercourse with any man
PoliticsRe: Medicine Sans Frontieres: Nigeria On The Brink Of Famine by jkarmstrong(op): 3:24pm On Jul 14, 2016
Hope those in authorities can start to do something quickly about this, and not to dismiss it with the characteristic, arrogant, Nigerian wave of hand.
PoliticsMedicine Sans Frontieres: Nigeria On The Brink Of Famine by jkarmstrong(op): 3:14pm On Jul 14, 2016
The UN has been accused of failing to
act quickly enough to save hundreds of
thousands of lives in northern Nigeria
where a food crisis already killing
hundreds of people a day is poised to
become the most devastating in decades.
Nigerian authorities, who maintain tight
control over humanitarian and media
access to the region, have also been
accused of deliberate negligence and
attempting to conceal the scale of the
crisis.

The UN Office for the Coordination of
Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA) has
categorised 4.4 million people in the
Lake Chad region as “severely food
insecure” – meaning they are in need of
urgent food aid.

Toby Lanzer, UN assistant secretary
general and OCHA’s regional
humanitarian coordinator for the Sahel,
said: “This is about as bad as it gets.
There’s only one step worse and I’ve not
come across that situation in 20 years of
doing this work and that’s a famine.”
“We have to step in and quickly or we
are going to have hundreds of
thousands at risk of dying in the north-
east of Nigeria.”


Boko Haram’s seven-year insurgency
has left Borno’s farmland – which
previously fed Nigeria – devastated and
abandoned. This will be the region’s
third year without a harvest.
The hunger crisis is claiming lives even
in Maiduguri, the capital of Borno state
and the hub of humanitarian and
security forces in the region. The city
has doubled in size in two years and
now hosts 2.4 million displaced people.
Food prices are soaring in the markets,
where it now costs $100 (£75) to buy a
large bag of rice.


Lanzer said UN agencies have not had
the resources necessary to tackle the
crisis and has called on international
donors to prevent a greater catastrophe.
Of the $279m (£210m) required, only
$75m has so far been secured.
Isabelle Mouniaman, head of Médecins
Sans Frontières operations in Nigeria,
said MSF has been raising the alarm in
northern Nigeria for two years and UN
organisations have failed to respond.
“We’ve been calling to the UN, to the
headquarters of Unicef, WFP [World
Food Programme], OCHA and their
response has been ‘Yes, we’re doing this
and that’… But you cannot just be
satisfied to say you built X number of
latrines, delivered X bags of food when
people are dying. It’s not enough,”
Mouniaman said.
“The Red Cross is doing their job, MSF is
doing their job, but the vast majority of
humanitarian organisations are failing
in their responsibility towards the crisis
in Borno.”
This is about as bad as it gets.
There’s only one step worse ...
and that’s a famine



Toby Lanzer, UN assistant secretary
general
International aid agencies have focused
on Maiduguri’s overstretched camps,
but more than 80% of displaced people
in the city, around 1.9 million people,
are living among the community, the
vast majority without access to food aid
or medical support.
The most desperate crisis is unfolding
outside Maiduguri, where aid agencies
fear hundreds of thousands of people
are trapped, cut off by Boko Haram and
the military operation against them. As
the Nigerian army clears more of these
areas, the true scale of the crisis is only
just becoming clear; those who have
escaped tell of watching children die
from hunger and being prevented from
calling for help.
Mouniaman said: “We’re talking about
areas in which 39% of children have
severe acute malnutrition. This is a
really, really dramatic situation. In my
whole MSF career – since 1999 – I’ve
never seen anything like it.”



In June, a humanitarian convoy reached
Bama, Borno state’s second largest city.
It was recaptured by the Nigerian army
in March 2015, but the 37-mile journey
(60km) from Maiduguri is still
considered too dangerous to make
without military escort because of Boko
Haram attacks and landmines.
They found Bama destroyed and a camp
of about 30,000 people, mostly women
and children. Many were starving. MSF
found the graves of 1,233 who had died
in the camp, 480 of whom were
children. More than 3,000 severely
malnourished people were evacuated by
the state governor to Maiduguri for
emergency treatment. Several died en
route.








The Guardian was refused entry to
Bama by the Nigerian military on
security grounds. But Maj Gen Leo
Irabor, who leads the military operation
against Boko Haram in the region, said
hunger in the Bama camp was
“relative”.
“Very largely I think their needs are
being met,” Irabor said.
Several people evacuated to Maiduguri
agreed to speak to the Guardian on
condition of anonymity. One man, a
civil servant, said he had seen people
die every day in the camp as a result of
hunger and poor sanitation.
Food rations were delivered once a day
by civilian militia and distributed by
local community heads. This was often
raw rice, which there was no means to
cook. Complaints about hunger and
deaths were ignored.
“How many times we cried out or we
complained … But when we were in
Banki, the army confiscated all our
mobile phones. If the army saw you
making a telephone call, wow would
they give you a beating,” he said.





Humanitarian agencies are still
struggling to get an idea of the scale of
need in tens of towns they have not
been able to reach. In Mondugo last
week, MSF estimated 100,000 displaced
people were in need of assistance; this
week, their revised estimate was
200,000. There is even less information
about large communities in Dikwa,
Konduga, Gwoza and Kale/Balge, where
the situation is thought to be even worse
than in Bama.
Grema Terab, chairman of the State
Emergency Management Agency (Sema)
in Borno – the body leading the state’s
humanitarian response – until early
March 2015, believes the crisis is the
result of “total neglect and carelessness
on the part of the government”. He said
the government was aware of the extent
of the hunger, but failed to deliver a
plan to tackle it and attempted to
prevent media coverage of the issue for
fear of embarrassment.
“The government chose to conceal the
issue of IDPs [internally displaced
people] because they were afraid of
indictment. There has been a lot of
long-term neglect and a refusal to act
upon the plight of the IDPs and this is
why starvation is occurring in most of
the camps,” he said.
“The IDPs are kept under lock and key
because they don’t want them to
communicate with the outside world.”
The current Sema chairman, Satomi
Saleh, told the Guardian these
allegations were “blackened lies and
political connivances”. He said Sema,
alongside the National Emergency
Management Agency, has reached
150,000 people in the camps in
Maiduguri with food assistance, but
admitted the crisis has now exceeded
Nigeria’s ability to respond alone.





A nutritional emergency has been
declared in Borno state, where the
governor, Kashim Shettima, is now
working closely with UN agencies. The
WFP was invited into Nigeria by the
government in March to assist the relief
effort. They are rapidly scaling up their
operation and now hope to reach more
than 700,000 with food aid by
December.
“I don’t think anyone was quick enough
to understand how serious the situation
was. We can criticise each other, but the
main point is … what are we going to do
to make sure this situation doesn’t
deteriorate,” Lanzer told the Guardian.
“We can make every plan on earth ...
[but] if we do not get resources from the
donor community very little of that will
actually happen.”



Culled from guardian.co.uk
FamilyRe: "Sex On The First Date Led To This For Me" -Recently Married Woman Reveals. PICS by jkarmstrong(m): 11:24am On Jul 09, 2016
PinkBarbie:
Mtchew I wouldn't be surprised if the marriage doesn't work out.
Well many marriages don't last, sex on the first date or not.
SportsRe: 8 Strange Football Rules You Never Knew by jkarmstrong(m): 7:34am On Jul 03, 2016
good
RomanceRe: Teenagers Having Sex In A Cemetery In Kaduna Caught And Arraigned by jkarmstrong(m): 7:29am On Jul 03, 2016
ijustdey:
some teens get mind oooo....




you have the bravery to go and copulate where dead people are being buried.

they never fear if something went wrong
lol. Wetin wan go wrong apart from say dey catch dem? The dead bodies go rise? lol
PoliticsRe: Plots To Bomb Computer Village Lagos, Worship Centres & Parks Uncovered By DSS by jkarmstrong(m): 9:41am On Jul 02, 2016
expressglory:
SOURCE- http://thenationonlineng.net/dss-uncovers-plots-bomb-computer-village-lagos-worship-centres-parks/
If you believed this poo on ipob bombing computer village than you will believe anything. Seriously though why all the hate and senselessness in this thread. I get that tribal trumpeting and intertribal bashing has become a thing but to this extent? We hear of the Rwandan genocide, and other atrocities fueled by hate throughout the age, and we say it will not happen here--------by here I mean the south of the country------maybe in the deep, uneducated, impoverished, north but not here; however the hatred exhibited in this thread are the seeds of such madness. We must learn to use our heads, and refuse to be manipulated by our politicians for their own selfish gain, otherwise it should not shock us when Femi and his mindless gang holds a machete looking to cut down Obi, or Obi and friends holds a machete to cut down femi.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Wales Vs Belgium: Euro 2016 Quarter-finals (3 - 1) On 1st July 2016 by jkarmstrong(m): 10:42pm On Jul 01, 2016
Wales don try next Portugal and d semis even though it will be really difficult without their number one pass master Aaron Ramsey, and defence Lynchpin Ben Davis. Really difficult to call that one, but I feel like Portugal will win simply because of their pedigree and experience at this stage------5 semis in the last 7 euros. And then their is cristiano Ronaldo who even though has been uncharacteristically profligate, failing to assert himself in any fixture in this tournament bar the Hungary game, still is cristiano Ronaldo who as we all know poses a unique kind of threat unlike anything wales has faced so far. The heart says wales, because of their cinderella story mainly, much like iceland, but the head says Portugal. On Wednesday may the better team win
SportsRe: Never Give Up! Read Argentine Teacher Inspirational Letter To Messi- Goal.com by jkarmstrong(m): 10:34am On Jun 29, 2016
Nice one every one should see this not just Argentines or messi. Front page things
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Croatia Vs Portugal : Euro 2016 (0 - 1) On 25th June 2016 by jkarmstrong(m): 9:05pm On Jun 28, 2016
lorenzo9096:
bros, I tire for o, copa with useless teams like Haiti, Peru and the likes is what you are using to compare euro. even taiye academy can decimate teams like Haiti. think bro.
Hahahaha a bit late but I just saw this now useless Peru na that useless Peru commot Brazil. useless Peru go bust ya country. and as for Haiti most major tournament dey get one really small team sha------ think Tahiti confer cup 2013. this Euros get dem well well like Albania, northern Ireland, even Iceland way dey win na small team e.t.c make I no talk again.
SportsRe: WINNER of BALLON D'OR 2016!!!! by jkarmstrong(m): 9:22am On Jun 27, 2016
lol how many times football go make our predictions look stupid
SportsRe: Video: Lionel Messi Cries After Losing Copa America Final by jkarmstrong(m): 9:16am On Jun 27, 2016
sad, but he will pull through and come back far stronger
SportsRe: Why Messi's International Football Retirement Is A Stain To His Legacy by jkarmstrong(m): 9:08am On Jun 27, 2016
I don't like the word stain like it's something immoral that he did. His legacy is in tact and clear for all to see. This is just another twist in the messi super hero story. Watch out for the next series of the boy magician from Rosario.lol
SportsRe: Lionel Messi Quits Argentina National After Copa Loss by jkarmstrong(m): 7:32am On Jun 27, 2016
men sad for him, but hopefully he will change his mind. If not at least he did his best
SportsRe: Back 2 Back Copa America Winner(chile) by jkarmstrong(m): 6:03am On Jun 27, 2016
confistified:
I never included Chile but all d same..... no trophy grin
You no include Chile (no 3 ranked team in the world) also you forget to talk say u no include Colombia too (no 5 ranked team in the world) and the almighty Brazil (5 time world champion)

I forgive u sha, but here is a fun fact there were more teams that qualified for the round of sixteen in the last world cup in this year's copa america(cool than teams that qualified for the round of sixteen in the last world cup playing in this years euros. ( 5 if you remove Holland who surprisingly didn't qualify for the euros).

In fact half the teams in this year's copa played in the round of 16 of the last world cup. That's a top top level of competition and quality higher than the euros, higher the afcon, higher than any frigging international tournament out there (obviously bar the world cup and club football competitions) The fact you don't know this, and you feel confident enough to bash the copa tells me all I need to know about your impoverished knowledge of the game. A little advice go and learn more about football before u make bold, erroneous comments and claims.
SportsRe: Back 2 Back Copa America Winner(chile) by jkarmstrong(m): 5:33am On Jun 27, 2016
nonjebose:
I feel for Messi. Chile deserve to win though. Playing one man less for long period of the game, yet remained resolute and disciplined in their formation
15 mins na em b long period of the game. no mislead people my brother. They gave both teams red card in the first half. Chile @ 28mins and arg @ 43

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