₦airaland Forum

rvp2018:
It depend on what you want to conserve.
If you want to conserve zebras go for it.
If you want to preserve rare species - private conservancies will keep them - and charge lots of money for you to see them.
The niche is to say keep endangered white rhinos.

This is the focus for kenya - conserving endangered species - not keeping 100M buffalos. So if you come and tell us you have 30M zebras, gazelles and other useless animals - who cares?

This one last white Rhino in planet earth - when he died the eggs had to extracted and preserved.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_8NF80ge40

Nope Kenya decimates wildlife....hence 80% of Africas Rhinos are in SA

Kazikazi:
Same like Tz,you can own,kill it and sell the meat.

There are however bag limits in certain regions....but even if you hunt every day you will never be able to fill the bag limit!!

rvp2018:
You're one who is being incorrigible. Maasai and many African managed to retain it's wildlife by refusing to hunt for the fun of it. Domesticated animals - all over the world - no one has a problem if you hunt and kill them in your farm. It use to be fun to hunt our chicken for dinner.....run it around the compound until we cornered it.

Again Maasai do not hunt or kill animals. Maasai Mara is unfenced. Of course poachers might come and pay maasai to kill animals for ivory or skin...but a Maasai do not eat wild game.

Dorobo - who are Khoisan offshot - are hunters and gatherers - they live and speak Maasai - but have South Africa CLICK language - they are Khoisans.

There are few Khoisans in kenya - hunters and gathers - these are the folks who are majority down in South Africa - they are a minority in Kenya - but hunting is way of life for them. They simply never evolved and you have gone back to their stone age habit.

Masaai hunting and killing lion for fun(To show manhood):


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FX4Bw5RVDTU

rvp2018:
We have private conservancies in kenya - we have community conservancies - it just that you cannot hunt. Come watch animals and go home. All wildlife belong to gov of kenya. You need a license to keep. You cannot kill.

In South Africa anyone can own wildlife, if it's on you property, you own it!!

rvp2018:
1) Cultural - you live in hunting zone - historical - Khoisan are hunters - in Kenya we are not - its a taboo and offensive.
2) Food should be tightly controlled - you're the idiot who bring corona and hiv - by eating wild game.
You think you just discovered wild game and its tasty meat - it's been here - and there is a reason why human eat cows, sheep, goats - and avoid snakes and frogs.
Some idiots in Congo ate monkeys - now since 1980s - we cannot enjoy sex - without images of dying horrible deaths.
Some idiots in China decided to eat everything - now they are unleashing new diseases.
3) Centuries of human knowledge - eat certain animals - that have been inspected. Next time you will bring horrible disease like Corona by eating bats - and send everyone wearing mask or even exterminate humans.

1) all humans hunted, the Masaai still hunt today as I showed you several times

2) Where do you think Cows, Goats and chickens came from?? ...........oh yes they came from wild animals did they not teach you this in Kenya?

3) What?

Jeezez Rvp2018, is this really you?? where was they guy I was debating economics with?? who is this ret@rd im speaking to now?

Kazikazi:
Son,how long will u lie?
Where is your data

run along before I embarrass you like im doing rvp2018

"To put it into perspective: private enterprise owns three times more land, managed under hugely successful and effective conservation programmes, than all the state-owned parks and reserves combined."

rvp2018:
It's retarded to hunt and kill animals for fun.

It's ret@rded to buy processed meat from a supermarket and then to claim you don't kill animals

rvp2018:
Wildlife yeah - I have never understood the logic - that would make me go and hunt something just for it sake - what are you trying to proof. If hunting generate money - I am sure tourism can generate the same money.

Hunting generates billions in money, food, jobs and is the reason why SA has a massive game breeding industry.

what i've never understood is how you can buy processed horrible tasting meat from a supermarket which was killed by someone else instead of going out and harvesting your own like our ancestors have done for millions of years

rvp2018:
Where is census of your animals. And what type. And where do they stay.

70% on private land and the rest in game reserves..........

rvp2018:
Nairobi city center is 5kms from animals. And most kenya games are in animal reserves - not in parks. Meaning they are not fenced. Do you know who protect them. Local people. Why do they protect them - it';s a taboo to kill human or animal for fun of it.

wtf you going on about killing humans? debate like a normal person not a ret@rded..........since when have you gone full ret@rd like this?

rvp2018:
Why dont you take your great hunting skills and industry back to Europe and re-generate the wildlife there. There are things that are morality based. Even if you came to kenya and promise to pay us 1 billion rand for every black man you shoot...we wont allow it.

This is how the strong Boer was defeated. Mandela rallied the world to see how immoral and evil your people were. People started boycotting things just because it was Boer or associated with it.

Hunting animals or humans is immoral.

But breeding and killing them in much worse and filthy conditions is much better...........#kenyanlogic

rvp2018:
Why dont you take your great hunting skills and industry back to Europe and re-generate the wildlife there. There are things that are morality based. Even if you came to kenya and promise to pay us 1 billion rand for every black man you shoot...we wont allow it.

Nope I don't have to go to Kenya!! you don't have any wildlife left !! Here in good old SA it's like a garden of eden!! we have an abundance of wildlife

Feels good to live in a country where I literally have to drive less than 5 minutes to see wildlife Kenyans can only dream of in fact I drive past a heard of Roan, Sable and Kudu every day on my way to George

rvp2018:
Definitely the sheeps, goats and cows have increased - and pressure on grazing land - has pushed wildlife. That is nobody fault. It's population pressure. Nobody has gone killing animals with guns for fun of it.

yep let wildlife die out Kenyan logic right here!!

rvp2018:
Doesn't matter - we still wont allow it. Khoisan are hunting group - so it's okay for you to hunt in South Africa - as you're now a Khoisan.

Great attitude......wildlife doesn't matter in Kenya!!! hence why you decimated 85% of it

rvp2018:
We will never allow hunting. And we have successfully lobbied for banning of hunting and trade in wild game. It's pure evil. Take your murderous instinct back to Europe.

The only evil thing is you Kenyans decimating 85% of your wildlife!!

rvp2018:
Hunting was banned in Kenya in the 1970 and it will never be allowed. It simply not in our culture. Kenya has been in forefront and we have succeeded mostly in banning trade in wild game despite push by South Africa, Bostwana and such countries.

My strong opinion on this are based on morality.

Yes banning hunting has done Kenyan wildlife wonders:

"A simple comparison is Kenya, a country that has lost 85% of its wildlife since terminating all hunting in the late 1970s."

SuperSixSeven:
the spam bot is targeting users indiscriminately - even the mods dont know why you got banned.

I wasn't banned it was the new guy

rvp2018:
The Maasai killed lions only during boys initiation ceremony - to proof their manhood - and for animals to be aware - that man was the KING - and lions should never think of touching cows or sheep.

Maasai do not need guns or whatever to dominate animals. The animals are very aware of the order of seniority. That is why Maasai and wildlife co-existed peaceful.

You cowards bring guns to kill animals. Who does that? And call it hunting. That is just plain murder.

Oh the Irony!!!!

Also I am a bowhunter I don't hunt with a rifle....so yeah...

rvp2018:
Boer if you really want meat - by hunting - grow real cojones - and stop murdering animals

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mg0EFw7sPSo&t=186s

yet you murder cows, chickens and goats??

Come on rvp....surely you can debate better than this resorting to nonsense and racism?? I always thought you were one of the few that could debate somewhat intellectually ?? what happened

rvp2018:
When you hunt for food; that is okay; we keep cows for food;
We wont allow some murderous european to exercise his urge to kill on animals.
Go get a girlfriend or drink beer or swim or something.

Ok so cows or ok but what about this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FX4Bw5RVDTU

@rvp2018

WTF


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FX4Bw5RVDTU

rvp2018:
If you kill one lion - you cannot replace.

I can't


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iGJjdt1xSo

rvp2018:
100yrs of white colonialism decimated Africa, America and name it wildlife. We cannot allow you in kenya to come and continue your murderous campaign.

Go and grow back Europe wildlife using the great hunting skills you've learnt in South Africa.

American wildlife is actually thriving again thanks to well regulated hunting industry!!

Also why do you murder so many cows?

rvp2018:
Where are the figures...and type of wildlife.
If you are talking about hebirvores - and rats - save it.
If you kill one lion - you cannot replace.

Nigeria - how many animals are in Netherland.

" In 1964, we had about 575 000 wild game animals countrywide. During the 1960s, safari hunting and game ranching were mere fledglings in South Africa, but the fact of the matter is that hunting started to place a value on wildlife and wild areas, creating a direct incentive to purchase, own, protect and conserve this precious resource. It became a viable investment. As the safari hunting industry began to grow and with it, the demand for South Africa as a destination, more and more land was converted from agriculture to wildlife.

Today, we can boast a wildlife population of close to 24 million head of game. Some species, such as white rhino (of which there are currently more than 5 000 on private land and a further 13 000 on State land), black wildebeest and bontebok, were brought back from the brink of extinction. Our sable and roan populations are healthy and growing, once again, and are mostly found on private land today.

Species are constantly being re-introduced into areas where they have become locally extinct. There are currently more than 10 000 privately owned game ranches in South Africa, predominantly in marginal agricultural areas, covering an estimated 21 million hectares of land. To put it into perspective: private enterprise owns three times more land, managed under hugely successful and effective conservation programmes, than all the state-owned parks and reserves combined.

The wildlife industry, as a whole, which includes professional hunting, contributed some R10 billion to South Africa’s economy in 2014 and this figure is expected to increase annually. Detailed information and statistics about the industry and its economic value are available from the PHASA office and website.

Today, we have more international hunting tourists travelling to South Africa each year than any other country on the continent. The South African conservation success story is based on private ownership of land and game, and the sound principle of ‘sustainable utilisation’, of which ‘responsible hunting’ forms a major part. A simple comparison is Kenya, a country that has lost 85% of its wildlife since terminating all hunting in the late 1970s."

https://phasa.co.za/our-conservation-success-story/

Well done Kenya!!

Saddamochieng00:
Now that you got the biggest sanctuary in the "southern hemisphere" you should at least build something worthy of being called an office not that chicken shed you're working in.

LOL!!

rvp2018:
If you knew anything about wildlife -you know nearly all game in kenya and tanzania are in maasailand - and maasai live together with wildlife - the animals are not in animal parks.

The humans, cattle, wildlife existed in perfect harmony. Nobody protected animals - because nobody ate wild animals. The offshot of khoisan who hunt in kenya were considers just inferior fools. For Maasai - God had given them a dog and cattle. Why kill the rest of animals. Even a cow was killed as last resort...you can draw blood for it and eat the blood...or milk it.

Before your pink nose arrived in Europe to murder humans and animals. Bloody slowpoke.

Yet Kenya has lost 50% of it's wildlife since the 80s and South Africa has increased it's population by literally thousands of % thanks to hunting

rvp2018:
Animal poachers and hunters like you decimated wildlife. Not Maasai.
Maasai eat cow - actually they rarely eat cow - or goat or sheep.
Cows are kept to be milked - and for blood to be drawn - not to be eaten.
Eating a cow was the last resort.

Maybe you have forgotten but South Africa's wild life population is thriving and growing by 20% p.a thanks to hunters like me.............SA has grown it's wildlife population from 400 000 to over 30 million today while Kenya has lost half it's wildlife since the 80s....

Our wildlife numbers are 30+ times more than that of Kenya

Kenyans have decimated its wildlife....won't be long until you guys are just like Nigeria, with no wildlife at all

rvp2018:
So if we ate gazelles or buffalos - they wont be decimated. Understand the cultural difference.

"It is a taboo for any Maasai to kill or eat a wild animal," explains Mzee Metui Ole Shaudo a local leader and Chairman for the Ngorongoro Pastoralists Council.

Who gives a fvck about the Masaai? and yes if Kenya had a well run hunting industry like SA your wildlife would be thriving just like it is in SA and also Namibia

rvp2018:
For half the size of South Africa - I think we have enough. If you pink nose and small tail had been here - you'd have decimated this. We really grateful for Maasai esp for considering it taboo to kill or eat animals.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEp5H12vGm4

Kenya has lost 50% of its wildlife since the 80s...................that is decimation at its finest

At the same time SA has grown its wildlife population from a small 400 000 head of game to over 30 million today.......

are Maasai vegetarians? or does there meat also grow on trees?

theTranscriber:
90% of Africa?
stop taking nyaope
Nigeria's problems can be solved in two years by a normal leader yours will take decades


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I was wrong though
you're more like the obesity capital of Africa

Nigeria is a sh1thole mate a massive cesspool which ranks last in nearly every social economic index!!

- Glad you can admit your mistakes

theTranscriber:
90% of Africa?
stop taking nyaope
Nigeria's problems can be solved in two years by a normal leader yours will take decades


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/54/World_map_of_Female_Obesity%2C_2016.svg/2560px-World_map_of_Female_Obesity%2C_2016.svg.png
female obesity

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I was wrong though
you're more like the obesity capital of Africa

Nigeria is a sh1thole mate a massive cesspool which ranks last in nearly every social economic index!!

-So you admit you were 100% wrong then?? SA is not even close to being the obese capital of the world