rvp20182: To avoid an event that happen once or twice a year - you do load shedding of 8hours daily. System faults will occur once in a while.
Kenya on average has 7-10 hours of no power in a month - mostly due to maintenance or storms - this very close to developed world where they lose power for about 1hr every month.
As for South Africa - daily 10 hours - mean monthly 300hours without electricity!!
As South Africa regress to Nigeria level of dysfunction - kenya is moving ahead - very fast.
difference is ours are planned,yours is a blackout.....big difference....secondly you don't even produce as much electricity as Nigeria, and even at stage 6 we produce 20 times more electricity than Kenya....now let that sink in
Mkenya2019: Electricity and crime are not restricted to Joburg CBD - but the entire country. Therefore prepare to see more and more deterioration in living standards, investments and of course re-location of regional HQs to places like Nairobi and Kigali. Unless of course you fix Eskom and sort the crime.
Lurker4Long: R1.4 billion allocated for SA Navy submarine and frigate refit
National Treasury has allocated nearly one and a half billion rand to the South African Navy for the refit of one of its three Type 209 submarines and one of its four Meko A200 class frigates.
Major General Thembelani Xundu, briefing Parliament’s Portfolio Committee on Defence and Military Veterans (PCDMV) on 22 March, explained that the Navy is being provided with sufficient funding to refit one frigate and one submarine, with work to be carried out between May 2023 and December 2024, followed by sea acceptance trials in early 2025. R500 million has been allocated in 2023/24 for this, R441 million the following year, and R480 million in 2025/26. Work will be carried out in the Simons Town Naval Dockyard.
At present, only the frigate SAS Mendi is seaworthy, while the submarine SAS Manthathisi has just returned to the water. Mendi’s seaworthiness was prioritised for Armed Forces Day and Exercise Mosi II in February.
Armscor last month explained that the frigate SAS Amatola is currently in a Docking and Essential Defect (DED) period. SAS Spioenkop is undergoing “ad-hoc maintenance and repairs of the hull and structure.” The fourth and final frigate, SAS Isandlwana, is currently undergoing ad-hoc maintenance and repairs of the mast and flight decks. Armscor stated that the masts will be completed within six months. “This is part of the continuous refurbishment activities to keep the sub-systems serviceable, as the vessel will be in a perpetual maintenance phase.”
With regard to the submarines, the SAS Manthatisi has just come out of Docking and Essential Defect (DED) maintenance, and is undergoing post-maintenance trials.
The SAS Queen Modjadji is currently undergoing preservation and pre-refit planning activities, in preparation for a refit. The procurement process for services is currently underway, with a requirement received from the Navy on 6 February 2023. Armscor estimates the contracting process will take approximately 140 days.
Funding to complete the refit of the SAS Charlotte Maxeke is available and the submarine is currently “in refit process” with Armscor providing project management. “Armscor Dockyard is currently going through a procurement process to contract a local supplier for support services,” the defence materiel agency said.
The latest defence budget vote, released in February, showed that the Maritime Defence component of the SANDF is getting R4.9 billion for the 2023/24 financial year, as well as in 2024/25, and R5.2 billion in 2025/26. Of the R4.9 billion allocated for 2023/24, just R1.45 billion is going towards Maritime Combat Capability, with the remaining on logistics support, human resources, base support etc. but the majority of funds (R2.3 billion) is allocated to salaries.
The defence budget allocation states that the SA Navy will defend and protect South Africa and its maritime zone by providing three frigates, one combat support vessel (the SAS Drakensberg), two offshore patrol vessels, and three inshore patrol vessels per year as well as two submarines a year. The Navy will conduct four coastal patrols and spend 8 000 hours at sea a year.
Budget cuts mean there is no funding for the simultaneous mid-life upgrades/refits of the SA Navy’s three submarines and four frigates, with upgrades and refits being done one at a time as budget allows. According to the Department of Defence, the average cost estimate for a frigate refit is R687 million with a submarine refit costing R660 million.
Pending the outstanding refits, the SA Navy is currently focused on prioritising essential maintenance and repair of the frigates Spioenkop and Mendi, the combat support vessel SAS Drakensberg and submarine Manthatisi to ensure operational availability.
Due to limited funding, only one of four frigates (SAS Amatola) was partially refitted in 2014/15 and one of three submarines (SAS Manthatisi) was refitted in 2013/14.
For a fully functional SA National Defence Force that would be able to effectively carry out its taskings, such as border security, Xundu told Parliament that the defence force as a whole needs to be rejuvenated and re-equipped, and this would cost R41 billion over 25 years.
National Treasury has allocated R3.3 billion to the SANDF over three years for equipment upgrades, with R1 billion allocated for C-130 Hercules maintenance, R700 million for border patrol vehicles and sensors, and R1.4 billion for frigate and submarine maintenance.
rvp20182: You're not making sense on how you transition from Eskom to Australia. You're advocating that Gov allow Eskom to go into bankruptcy? Then out of that chaos - new private players will emerge - buy Eskom assets? Or build a new 40,000MW electricity infrastracture from the scratch?
I think solution is simple - nationalize Eskom debt (take it off their balance sheet & clean it) - Restructure Eskom by splitting it into many companies. Split generations - into a few companies Split supply - into a few companies - maybe even allow each province to have their own power supply company. Remain with national backbone - say 400V lines that connect major cities.
I'm not advocating Eskom go bankrupt they are literally already there... I'm advocating they privatise and liquidise, that doesn't mean we lose all generation capacity in fact it means we will be getting profit driven businesses with the necessity to keep the grid preforming at optimum efficiency to ensure they get customers.
Theyve already tried nationalising debt, they tried throwing money at Eskom..... Everything you are suggesting theyve already tried.... And obviously it doesn't work... So I don't understand why you are advocating something that doesn't work over something that been proven to work??
rvp20182: So you're going to force Eskom to sell critical assets? or you're going to forcefully split it into small private companies.
It's not about forcing Eskom, if anything why would Government not want to sell it (ignoring that ANC ministers are enriching themselves and thus don't want to sell) ? It's totally bankrupt with no hope of recovery and its costing Government billions a month to run.
rvp20182: So each company will build parallel networks going all directions? I can understand final mile privitisation; but the backbone has been owned by gov.
Name those countries.
Australia, Japan, China, Singapore, USA to name a few
rvp20182: So each company will build parallel networks going all directions? I can understand final mile privitisation; but the backbone has been owned by gov.
Name those countries.
why would they need to? They can buy it directly from Eskom?
Mkenya2019: Yes, maybe, I dont understand what you mean. If you mean competition via privatisation then it wont work - esp for supply end.
Let me give you kenya example. We have regulator. We have gov owned transmission company owning the backbone - Ketraco We have privatized generation - IPPS and majority owned Kengen (IPO for 30%) - we want to divest more. We have privatized KPLC - monopoly supplier - gov has say as majority shareholder is NSSF (social pension scheme) - private sector own 49% - So yes you can privatize almost everything except Transmission back-bone. But you will have to be careful at supply end - to avoid private player - excluding unprofitable household. Atlough you can separate that into gov owned social electricity company - kenya is thinking a long those lines - Rural electricity company - that will run more as subsidy.
Conclusion: 1) Get gov owned regulator, transmission backbone, and finally gov run mostly subsidized rural electricity company to deal with universal access 2) Privatize generation and supply.
Nope Privatise the entire thing, if Government wants to supply electricity they can either keep a % of Eskom or sell it and start a new company to compete in the free market(similar to what you have suggested above) like with Denel and Telcom.
You have 0 actual examples where your suggestions work, where I can name several countries that have entirely privatised their electricity supply and have cheap and reliable electricity because of it. So how can you tell me it won't work when there are real world examples of it working fantastically.
FYI if Government is the largest shareholder then it hasn't been privatised
rvp20182: You're not starting from a clean slate. You're starting -Ve 400B rand. So first solution is to get to zero from Negative. Then of course institute reforms in sector. It was stupid from get go to have all you eggs on one basket. Eskom should first be split - into generation, distribution, supply - and regulator. It would be stupid to start from zero. Split Eskom into many companies - sort of each department become a company But you can only do that after it's financial sound. Then you introduce competition in each segement - whenever possible. Regulator is important.
if efficiency and corruption isn't sorted it will never be financially sound, that's the point I'm trying to drill in your head.... I do agree that Eskom should be split into generation, distribution, supply however that is happening as we speak.
While De Ruyter was CEO he managed to decrease Eskoms debt by nearly R100 billion without any bailout, thus it shows you don't need to throw money at Eskom or increase tariffs by 1000% but just need to run it properly.
I also agree there should be a regulator, looks like we are starting to get to the same point here
rvp20182: Again, fighting corruption and improving effeciency are nice to do things, in the near future.
For now, Eskom has 400 billion rand ($24.32 billion) debt that need to be repaid so it can come out of it's bankruptcy
South Africa gov doesnt have that 25B dollars to give Eskom - therefore allow Eskom to raise electricity prices to cover cost of backdated cooperation and efficiency.
You got to pay that debt first.
Then we can discuss improvements required in power sector.
The more you delay dealing with reality - the more your economy, quality of life and well being worsen.
From 2010 till now it's been -1 or 1% or zero growth of GDP.
- improving efficiency and fighting corruption aren't nice things to do they are literally the most important things to do.... No amount of bailout will help if its looted before it can even be used for said purpose.
- exactly SA gov doesn't have any money to give Eskom and I guarantee you an increase in tariffs of 50% or more will be met with a real shutdown not like the fake eff shutdown of the 20th.... It could also easily lead to a tax revolt.
- the solution to Eskom is simple... Privatise it, anything government touches turns to sh1t.
rvp20182: I watch that dude interview - it's full of blame game - blaming corruption is easy - but that wont solve the problem. Money will solve the problem.
And 1B a month of rand to Eskom is nothing compared to the economic price your'e paying. Assume that Eskom mess is costing GDP loss of 1% of your gdp, tt 5.5 trillion rand...1% is 55B rand; if it knock out 2 percent; that is 110B rands.
De Ruyter is a man of impeccable character he didn't need to do that interview, and his fight to stop corruption at Eskom nearly cost him his life.
And obviously you never watch the interview since if you did you would've known about the rampant and purposeful sabotage at Eskom.... How can you R 1 billion a month at Eskom isn't a problem? Again you are saying ludicrous things!!
Also since you can't Google yourself, Eskom has received no less than R270 billion in bailouts..... That's 20% of the Kenyan GDP to put that in perspective.... Obviously throwing money at Eskom doesn't work.
Mkenya2019: I dont question their motive. They had good intention But as always the road to hell is paved with good intention. ANC in bid to ensure universal electricity coverage for all south africans forced Eskom to take on more and more unprofitable business. And worse they refused to increase tarrifs; And forced Eskom to even shoulder lower tarrifs to make the poor SANS enjoy cheap power.
Ultimately the solution lies in empowering Eskom by giving them money.
Otherwise South Africa will soon become Nigeria - problem will become so difficult - nobody knows where to start or end.
South Africa should stop blame games.
Give ESKOM money first - to emerge from BANKRUPTCY. The money should come from it's 17 Million customers. Allow Eskom to charge whatever they want to get out of bankruptcy. If they want 1000% increase in price of electricity - do it. Or well look for bailout - that never works - SAA airlines is good example.
Then split Eskom. Then introduce "privitisation" wherever possible. Free market economy doesnt work for electricity sector because it's not like changing your telcom provider. There are wires involved.
Nothing wrong with universal electricity , that's also not what sunk Eskom....Like I said Eskom management set out a comprehensive energy plan to ensure the profitability and sustainability of Eskom as well as providing universal coverage.
Also do you have any idea how much money Eskom has received?? have you even just googled it?? If you did you wouldn't be saying "give eskom money" as it stands Eskom is losing R1billion a month just because of corruption and your suggestion is to give more money for people to steal?? I suggest you watch Andre de Ruyters interview and come back
Your suggestions are literally ludicrous....increase tariffs by 1000%? and yet in your previous post you were talking about how the poor will be left out if privatised? do you not see the hypocrisy?
SAA is in the process of being privatised...should of happened years ago. Eskom should follow the same route.
You don't have to buy the entire grid, that's the point, you can by parts of it....and yes electricity is the same as any other business including telecoms.
Mkenya2019: Try to avoid superficial blame games - of corruption, inefficiency and ANC. Focus on the root cause Everyone's know Eskom trouble "started" or well "bubbled" out as blackouts or load shedding beginnings in 2007. It's been getting worse and worse - as blame game get more bitter and bitter. People blame those two coal plants - Medubi and other one - poorly designed, corruption, bla de bla.
But the real genesis is way earlier - around 2003. This from Eskom website...read btw the lines
"[b]In March 2004, some 7.8 million households had been connected, a massive jump from the three million households connected in 1990. [/b]Partly in recognition of this achievement, in 2004, Eskom won the Markinor Sunday Times Grand Prix Award for having done the most to uplift the lives of South Africans. It was also identified, in that same year, by Markinor Sunday Times, as South Africa’s most admired brand.
This probably would have been the ideal time for the government to ease off on the electrification programme and put all its effort into helping Eskom avert a looming generation crisis. But that is not what happened; instead, the drive to achieve “universal access” to electricity continued apace. In 2004, in his State of the Nation address, President Mbeki stated that universal access was a policy goal to be achieved by 2012. The problem for Eskom was that, by around 2003, most of the low-hanging fruit had been plucked, formal urban settlements had been electrified, and electrification efforts would focus more on rural areas. Electrification in rural areas is somewhat costlier and requires more bulk infrastructure by way of extended transmission networks and transformers; understandably the rate of electrification slowed. In 1997, there were half a million connections; in 2006, there were just over 150 000. The government’s desire for universal access was also somewhat complicated by changes in policy. Up to 2001, Eskom paid for electrification through cross-subsidies from its major customers. When Eskom’s price compact with government expired, the National Energy Regulator (NER) introduced a more transparent pricing system, which made cross-subsidising unviable. Further, since Eskom started paying taxes in 2001 (as part of the corporatisation process), it was felt that government (as part of its welfare and development function) and not Eskom should be subsidising the electrification programme. So, from 2001, the capital cost of new connections was funded directly from the fiscus. In 2002, the Integrated National Electrification Programme (INEP) was set up, and in 2005, it was established within the Department of Energy (at the time, it was the Department of Minerals and Energy). Yet, even though the budget came from government and was channelled through INEP, it still fell on Eskom to do the bulk of the actual work of electrification. Although municipalities played their part, Eskom was, and continues to be, responsible for the vast majority of connections. "
Ok and? his proves exactly my point.........Also there isn't any blame game, the ANC sank Eskom like it sank almost every other SOE
Mkenya2019: Well oiled when it was serving Boers and tiny rich majority. The moment it spread to all corners and covered 17m south Africans households the profitable model collapsed as every connection to a poor household is a loss. ANC wanted universal electricity coverage and Eskom is the prize.In short electricity doesn't lend itself to be easily privatised like telecom. If you study the millions of poor households ANC added had zero impact on total consumption but they negatively impact Eskom fundamentals without raising its earnings. Worst it appears ANC made Eskom subsidize the poor even more..a double whammy. THE SOLUTION...separate industry from household..let households pay the real cost of stringing wires long distance for them to watch TV...or get off network and use solar.Universal access is expensive and people need to be aware
That's a myth, Eskom was well equipped to serve the entire population, however it needed new generation capacity which was never introduced, maintenance and uprade on the grid which was never carried out, there was a comprehensive energy plan that Eskom management laid out to the ANC back in the mid 90s which was never followed.
You keep saying that energy doesn't lend it self to easily be privatised however you have no proof of that since the countries with the most reliable and cheapest electricity are 100% private.... How do you explain that?
Mkenya2019: Unbundling of course Privatize power generation...hopefully via auction..so IPPS dont come to bite. The transmission keep it public. Distro tough - free market economy wont work You dont want your distro picking the big manufacturing and minning companies and leaving poor household.
Please understand the complexity or at least appreciate.
South Africa is struggling because it NOT EASY.
Nigeria has given up.
Kenya is paying through the nose to stay afloat.
Rest of Africa are in rolling blackout.
There is a market for all, including the poor, full privatisation is the answer, hence why the countries with the cheapest and most reliable energy are fully privatised.
It's not complex, you are just making it complex for no reason
Eskom was a well oiled machine when the ANC took over, it actually won awards for being the cheapest most reliable energy producer, the reason it sank is because of ANC corruption and incompetence ... As simple as that.
Yes because like SA most of Africas energy supply is state controlled
Mkenya2019: How many power companies are there in Australia, Japan and China. Kenya Power is Private Monopoly. Power sector is not your usual tea of cup. It's not your telcom company.
Elevate your thinking bro.
If private company secures top 30 biggest electricity consumers - what business will they have stringing wires to deep KZN - to supply a hunter power to deep freeze his last hunt?
Electricity has to be managed in different model - quasi private with some gov interventions.
Many... That's the point, new IPPs are popping up every day in South Africa.
Power generation is just like any other business, you making it sound more complicated then it actually is.
Also I said privatise Eskom.... That doesn't mean 1 single company will take over, Eskom and its infrastructure can be broken up and be sold to many smaller private companies, I never said Eskom should be bought by 1 company.
Nope privatisation without any government intervention/interference
Mkenya2019: Nope, my first relocation of this issues, was when I read from my favourite newspaper, The economist, what ails Nigeria electricity sector. And it was broke distribution companies who cant pay broke generation companies, who in turn cannot buy gas, or turn on the turbines. Nigeria problem origin is of course - few metered customers and rampant electricity theft - which cascade through power sector. Nigeria has to send the army in and fix metering & stop electricity theft.
I know Eskom has similar issues - it broke
Kenya Power company similar issues - it's broke.
Utility companies are too important to go bankrupt.
Eskom is taking down South Africa economy.
Again privatization of power sector sound great at face value but it's VERY STUPID - when you examine the facts. I used to rail our power sector - wishing it was split - and competition induced - until I realized certain facts.
Kenya power like Eskom have few customers who consumed almost all electricity. South Africa large power consumers are about what 30 - like of Tiger industries. The rest of 17 million consumes very little. The same for kenya - 500 companies consumes 80 percent of electricity - 20% - are million of household.
If you privatize - they will go for the 40 companies - and provide them electricity & make huge profit - 17 million south africa households will be left to darkness as it's not profitable to supply them.
Electricity is not like Telcoms. READ DEEEEEEEEEEEEPLY. I recommend you subscribe to The Economist. It has been my best friend since 1990.
- you can blab on about how you figured out this great idea all you want, next time try not to copy and past from Google, at least try to make it seem original.
- yes privatisation is "very stupid" I guess Australia, Japan, China ect ect are all very stupid for privatisation and having very cheap reliable electricity... We should not privatise and increase already expensive energy prices by 300%... That is what you are saying!!
Mkenya2019: Why would you imagine I am invested in South africa to know what Ramaphosa is doing. If you check - this what I proposed for Nigeria to do years ago.
And pray who will buy a bankrupt Eskom.
And pray will private Eskom manage with lower tarrifs.
End of day - MONEY will solve the problem - and money has to come from electricity consumers.
Quickest solution - jack up the electricity prices 3 times - Eskom balanced sheet will be healthy - and do other stuff - to improve efficiency and productivity.
because you are, and what you said is exactly what we have been posting here for years literally word for word. Dont try to act smart and expect me to believe you came up with that Idea all by yourself?? Please bru
Also there are a bunch of private firms just waiting to buy Eskom if given the chance... Shows how little you actually know
Secondly the market will dictate the price and when the market dictates the price and the monopoly of Eskom doesn't exist anymore electricity prices will decrease dramatically... That's the beauty of capitalism, unfortunately Africans have been brainwashed into thinking capitalism is the route to all evil.
Also you can't increase electricity prices by 300%...you must be fvcking smoking some good sh1t.
Mkenya2019: I believe solution to Eskom problem is to provide them money to get out bankruptcy. Then splitting Eskom into distribution, generation and transmission.
But definitely Eskom need money to clean it's balance sheet and become solid - and it can only get consistent money it's 17 million customers - not bailout.
Prepare for high tarrifs if you want to enjoy reliable electricity for a long while.
Those prices were not sustainable.
It's not what you believe, you just copy and pasted what has already been in the works since Ramaphosa became president years ago, and no its also not the best solution, the best solution will be to completely privatise eskom.
Prior to Obama's administration, there were no combat roles for women. The test was only for men. Now when Obama opened combat roles to women, the military basic fitness tests for infantry were revised around the same time to remove easier requirements for women and make the test gender neutral. The result; a massive failure on the female side.
The DoD then had to revert the tests back to the age old tradition of reduced standards for women. Now test for infantry and combat roles have not changed in terms of gender and never will. It is different from the basic fitness test that everyone in uniform must pass through irrespective of role.
Females who have secured combat roles are very few and all passed the same tests with men. Those tests are neutral.
If you make the basic tests neutral is simply means you won't have women in the force in significant numbers.
Faithful007: I don't know what point you're trying to make with this but I'll tell you one thing,
In the US military, No one finds themselves in a branch or unit they're not physically prepared for. Because there are trainings and exams. When you're up against any service man, you'll always meet who is ready for you.
I wouldn't go into these arguments, but Irrespective of any loose Gender definitions, I doubt if any transgender male will ever pass the seal test. Because their biological make up will not meet the demand. Same with women.
its not US spesfic, the West in general have been lowering standards for women in the name of equality.... And yes 100% women are not on the same standard as men but they are put into combat roles against a male enemy.... That can cost lives.... There should only be one standard for men and women and either you make it or you don't.
GreenandGold: When he/him/her/she/they/them have a rifle pointed toward you, say hello to your God/gods/angels/ancestors/devil/demons in the afterlife, because there's one thing about the Americans at all times, they are great marksmanship.
yeah they also lowering entry requirements for women......and in 2023 you can even be a women when you have a dick..... I'll much rather take my chances with a they than a him
I don't doubt the Western Cape's ability to add new power within the province in the given timeframe, however, that could be enough to supplement Eskom to maybe as far as Stage 8 load-shedding and to cater to the forever-growing demand within the province.. But moving out of Eskom is going to be hard because even Koeberg (which forms the base of the WC grid) is owned by Eskom.
With IPPs I think to generate 5700mw by 2035 won't be a problem at all, it's feeding that generation to the grid which I see as the major issue
GreenandGold: That could take some time, I don't even see it happening in less than 20 years, even for Western Cape. Although dysfunctional BUT Eskom's coal power can't be easily replaced.
However, you guys sit on some potential Green Hydrogen with that of off-shore wind-power potential.
Alan Winde has set 2035 as a target to finally generate enough energy independently to cover the demand for the WC, however the real problem isn't actually power generation but the Grid itself, he even admitted that they still don't know how they will supply the electricity generated since our Grid is fvcked
Politics › Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by jl115: 8:38am On Apr 26, 2023
