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How does a believer know right and wrong without knowledge of right and wrong.
Is incest a sin? If yes says who?

DrummaBoy: @Gombs

Sorry my friend you have not provided one scripture that shows that the laws given through Moses can be subdivided into Ceremonial, Moral, Civil, Ethical or Scribal. !

It's just a simple common sense thing from my understanding . There are laws concerning cleansing ceremony stuff and laws concerning quarrel disputes ,civil matters. The categorization is very easy to do and many bibles scholars have that understanding . Nlmediator's explanation just hit the nail .

nlMediator: I think both of you are talking past each other. The Bible contains laws in the OT and these laws can be categorized into moral, civil, ceremonial, etc. The Bible does not have to say that for anybody to know it. It's like somebody saying that Noah's ark contained carnivores, herbivores and omnivores and you're asking for where the Bible says that. All you need are the characteristics of each category of animals and compare them to the animals in the ark. Or it is like taking all the laws passed by the National Assembly on such things as allowing people to vote at Age 16, protecting the elderly from scammers, granting protections to the disabled, etc. Anybody with knowledge of the legal system can break these laws into such headings as Constitutional Law, Elder Law, Disability Law, Civil Rights, Criminal Law, etc. Because the legislature did not describe it as such does not mean we cannot. Unless, you're suggesting that al the laws in the OT are of the same character and have no distinguishing characteristics.

I think the larger point you're trying to make is that all the laws have been abolished regardless of whether they are ceremonial, civil, etc. But that's different from saying there were no distinctions in the laws.

I also think the point that the NT contains sufficient rules for the believer is a very solid point. That's what keeps on confusing me about this Law-Grace argument. The "new" teachers of grace spend their valuable time demonizing "the law" but when you ask them if they think rape, murder, stealing are wrong, they'd say yes. And then they launch into some mumbo jumbo about how people sin because of the law. Ok, so those that preach grace without law no longer sin? Somehow, their congregations are better behaved? Of course, anybody with a modicum of intellect knows that that's not even remotely true.

The OP struck the right balance, in my opinion, about Law and Grace. The law is not for the christian, as written. However, the principles behind some of the laws are still valid. That's why many of them are repeated in the NT. And that's why those that claim to preach grace-only never come out to endorse the moral activities, for example, that the law condemns. At the end of the day, much of this is much ado about nothing. Nobody can be justified by the law. And nobody can live a successful christian life who wallows in those activities called sinful. 1 Pet. 2:11.

Beautiful piece !

Goshen360: Egbon, if you like fellowship with me, if you like don't. That's your personal decision and I can't hold you on that ground. This is new year and that's a thing of the past.

Ok I don't want to FELOWSHIP with your like so kindly leave my thread.

Zikkyy: I believe it's wrong for anybody to say he is tithing as required by law, and i will be here to critic if and when you come here tomorrow and say you give offering because the law says Christians should give offering or Christians should not kill because that what the law says.

We are not tithing or giving offerings because the law says so.We have gone past the law. But the law contain foundationional principles and if anyone miss that he will end up in error. The law is a reference point.

You should first ask yourself this question; can the Holy Spirit mislead children of God into error? if your answer is no, then what the issue in someone saying the Holy Spirit tells him/her what is right or wrong?

The Holy Spirit doesn't mislead. The issue is how much yieldedness does a christian have . Secondly the Holy Spirit can minister to you according to your level of knowledge . If a man doesn't study scriptures there will be limitation to the ministry of the hy spirit . Conscience can be hardened. Also without foundational knowledge of Gods principles revealed in the law. A man will live in error without knowing.

If a man sleep with his own daughter , is it a sin? On what ground is it a sin.

Christians do many evil in ignorance. Cheat in business and say that's how this Bussoness is done . It takes the understanding of scripture to know good and evil .

Proverbs 11:1
A false balance is abomination to the Lord:
but a just weight is his delight.
The Holy Spirit

Certain principle some christian work with in business are contrary to God. When I show some people scriptures on this the get amazed such things are in the bible . The Old Testament contain foundational principles. You must know them .

The Holy Spirit won't speak to you in the area you neglect truth. How come the Holy Spirit didn't tell david that the arch was to be carried by men. Until somebody died before david found out. It is put personal responsibility to know scriptural principle. He can remind us based on scriptures we've known that is the need to study.

Why would paul quote Old Testament law and scriptures for new creations? Because of the kindom principles there

A Corinthian church member slept with his mother Inlaw . The Holy Spirit didn't tell him it's wrong. Until paul excommunicate the brother .

1 Corinthians 5:1
It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.

On what ground did paul condemn this act which the holyghost didn't .because it's in the Old Testament scripture.

Deuteronomy 27:20
Cursed be he that lieth with his father's wife; because he uncovereth his father's skirt. And all the people shall say, Amen.

Gods principles hasn't changed

It doesn't matter. It's between you and God. All still go to church purse .It's not the pastors money .

Gombs: ^^
I did not insult u... "it's a shame" you think I did.

It's a shame means it's a pity....now, to u, that's an insult?

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It's a shame and it's pity don't mean the same thing . Both may not be necessary especially without a provocation

Goshen360: We shall be having great time of fellowship here.

I can't fellowship with you until you apologise for your lie against me and Gombs .

Kay 17: Is this good news? We can finally kill off children whom we belive are demonically possessed and aid their transition into hell

There authority in the church now. We cast the demons out.

Mark 16:17
And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils. . . .

Ranchhoddas: are u saying that you'll kill a child now if u believe he/she has demons?if u say no that you'll cast them out,then permit me to ask why God did not just cast the demons out in the old testament.afterall He's the same yesterday,today and forever.

God doesn't cast out demons . Besides in the Old Testament time men didn't have such knowledge . That's why God warned Isreal against intermarriage with such pagan worshipers because they will polute the race of the Jews .

Exodus 34:15
Lest thou make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land, and they go a whoring after their gods, and do sacrifice unto their gods, and one call thee, and thou eat of his sacrifice;

God had to preserve the Jewish race because Because God needed a clean race for the messiah to come through.

He wasn't just harsh on those idolatrous nations he was harsh on the Jews also when they Got polluted . They had to die too. So that evil can be eliminated from the land .

DrummaBoy: Regardless of what the OP says, these scriptures cannot be expunged from the New Testament:

Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin - Romans 3:20

The purpose for the giving of the law was to bring the knowledge of sin. The law was a school master to bring us to the matter of faith in Christ (Galatians 3:19,24)

But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets - Romans 3:20

No matter how good the law was, it could never bring the righteousness of Christ. God's righteousness has been revealed today. It is witnessed by the law and prophets because the law and prophets or the Old Testament spoke about its coming.
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Maybe you didn't read my post very well . I never said we get justified by the law . I made it clear that the only weakness of the law was that it lacked the ability to make man righteous . We are justified by faith only . The point of the thread is about the importance of the foundational principles they contain .

Image123: RESPONSE TO RESPONSE M5

We are having this discuss on tithing, why we tithe or think christians should tithe, and why we do not tithe or think christians should not tithe. We are not having this discuss BECAUSE OF lot of lies. [color=#770077].

For the life of me, i have NEVER heard any of the above quote preached, except here on nairaland where antitithers keep saying it. i do not agree with any of the four statements above in an exact way. It is either an exaggeration of what may have been said, or perhaps it was never said, like i've never heard any preacher say these.

Spot on. It's only anititithers who creat such propaganda . "IF YOU DONT TITHE YOU WILL END UP IN HELL FIRE" etc .

One of the things God detests so much is idolatry . It's not just about God being jealous of the worship of satan . The major thing about idol is demonization . Like viruses demons transfer through blood from generation to generation in idolatry even unborn children were dedicated without their consent . The eliminations of those races was not about God preference for Isreal but the demonic relationship associated with idolatrous worship. It could only be dealt with by conversion or by elimination.

The Old Testament had no revelation of dealing with demons except by conversion or death. Exorcism was unknown except through David's harp.

To be continued.. . . . .

I have come across couple of posts asking why a just God will destroy and kill people and children

The answer is simple "DEMONS"!

nsk 1st son: It has been more
Has anyone heard any reply at all? I
gather he is still preaching and people
are still going to his church.
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It just shows how satan has failed ... That's all.

OLAADEGBU: Chris Jones said: "There was no great flood"
Response:
About 70% of the earth is covered in water. Where did it come from?

Even Archeologist confirms there was flood .

What is the proof of these allegation? Was she in a room with them or Someone just woke up from bed and type .

Romans 7:7
What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law:for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

I'm amazed at the extreme we go in the condemnation of The law.the law is a foundation . The law contains principles of God . You can't throw the law away. It's a foundation .

Psalms 11:3
If the foundations be destroyed,
what can the righteous do?

Let's look at the future of condemnation of the law .It's not just about the now.Today the argument is on tithing tomorow may be offering and next it will be about murder!

The only things done away in the law were clearly spelt out. But the principles in the law remains as foundation .

Someone may say its the Holy Spirit that tells me what is right and what is wrong . Another person says it's my conscience that matters.as long as your mind doesn't condemn you.

All these a nice but without a foundation of rightness or wrong it will end in error.

WHAT IS SIN?

We have enough issue with gay movement in the church today tomorow it will be worse.

We have already seen thread on this site where posters say fornication is not a sin. "As long as two of you feel right about it consensually etc.

Without the law homosexuality will be justified. "after all it's my body" without the you can sleep with your own daughter by consent if two of you feel good about it. May be soon with infants.

We may give ourselves good excuses for our wrongs if we take away God standard of morality . Your conscience cannot be a guide without foundational knowledge . Conscience can be corrupt and there will be no guilt for wrong doings . Killing , stealing, murder etc will be justified by revelation . At the end of the day we will wonder where we find ourselves "does sin really exist " then we we will wonder what salvation really is. What are we bringing sinners out of. What's the difference between us and the world.

Apostle paul knew the value of the law. I get amazed when Christians fight against principles in the law. And they fail to see how many times the early apostles quoted the law. It is more amazing to know that Paul was quoting these laws to Gentiles who didn't have a law! Time will not permit me to bring out all those references to the law by early apostles.

When paul told Timothy to study we should ask ourselves what scripture was he studying? Was it Mattew mark and luke? No it was the Old Testament they had as scriptures. The Gentiles were studying the Old Testament . The New Testament scriptures was based on the old.

Scripture in the early church was Old Testament that's why the apostles quoted them to Gentiles

1 Timothy 5:18
For the scripture saith, Thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And, The labourer is worthy of his reward.

1 John 5:21
Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.

Ephesians 6:2
Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise

All these were based on Old Testament Scriptures , there are many more . But let me just stop on these . You can add more for me.

The only issue with the law now is that a man cannot recieve justification by the law. We are justified by grace through faith as a gift . But the principle in the law are Gods principles which haven't changed .

2 Timothy 2:19
Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

EXCUSE 2: I don't want to say yes now and later disappoint God. . .

Philippians 2:13
For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

.... TO BE. CONTINUED

christemmbassey: bro Joe ride on, if no be tith me and you for be tight, janyway i love ur post its what we can refer to as 'the present hour truth' just for this? I love you, but warn tith o to leave two of us alone o. U're blessed sir.

Tithe , offerings, prayers , worship , alms , fasting will always be kingdom principles.

God2man: @Joagbaje, Happy new year, sir, wishing you many many more years.

A great post.

God bless you.
God2man.

Happy new year sir

Prayers can change some prophecies but there are some prophecies that can't be changed .

Many prophecies are based on condition . Our response of faith will determine if it comes to pass or not.

Psalm 15:1-2
Lord, who shall abide in thy tabernacle? who shall dwell in thy holy hill? He that walketh uprightly, and worketh righteousness, and speaketh the truth in his heart

In John 8:32 the Lord Jesus said,

"And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."

The truth He's talking about here is the truth in God's realm, which is different from fact. There are facts and there are truths. Truth is reality, but not all facts are true.

A fact may be the truth, but it may not be all-time truth. For example, medical examination may show that a Christian has a tumour or an infection in his body; that diagnosis by the doctor is a fact, and not the truth. What then is the truth in this context? The truth is the revealed Word of God concerning your health as a Christian. The growth may be there, but the Word of God, which is the TRUTH and the reality, says you're perfected in Christ (1 Peter 2:24). Take your eyes away from physical facts and fix your attention on the reality of God's Word, which confirms your divine health. That's what faith does: it changes facts by refusing to give them attention, consideration or cognizance.

Mark the words of the Master: He didn't say, "You shall know the facts, and the facts shall make you free"; He said "You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." The truth of God's Word is what delivers you from the "facts" of life. Therefore, you're to reckon with, and speak only, "the truth," that is, God's Word: "...thy word is truth" (John 17:17).

Our opening verse talks about speaking the truth in your heart; how do you speak the truth in your heart? It begins with thinking the truth in your heart. If you don't think the truth in your heart you'll not speak the truth. The truth is what God has said about you in His Word. That's all that should count in your life; that's all that should dominate your thought and speech. For example, if someone tells you, "You're not so smart; there's nothing special about you"; you're to immediately refute it and tell yourself on the inside, "I know who I am. I'm God's peculiar treasure, sound, super-intelligent, and excellent!"

Ephesians 4:14-15
That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ

Joshua 1:8
This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt meditate therein day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous, and then thou shalt have good success.

Demain_man: I am not a member of Christ Embassy but I am watching the service night right now and isn't it wonderful? I like this man style.
I wish ME a wonderful 2014. Amen.

This is unbelievable . No be you dey abuse us before before . I had to go and check uour profile and posts to be sure you're the real DEMAIN MAN. Wetin happen na?

This new year good o. Happy new year

Salmoneus: Nice, but you seemed to loose control over the camera.

Pls can you kindly explain ? Thanks

@spinna
I also have hexacopter that flies my cannon 5dmark 111

spinna: Very cool videos you can correct the fish eye look the gopro gives with cc lens in ae.

Yes I know I can correct it in editing . I do that only for professional work .

do you rent the copters?

Yes I do.

please how can i contact you ?

My email is beneath joagbaje@yahoo.com

Image123: Oga Jo, they said one drone crashed at IB,

I read it o.,he must have been an armateur pilot I guess .

vpaymoney: pls i need sm1 to clear me on this issue. maybe am wrong but i think the officiating pastor shld be the one to take the tithe.....

It's church money.

@villageboi

Phantom 2 is it Oo. Bigger battery more flight time. But I don't think the gimbal and screen came with it. It's like a third party' accessory .
I did this filming with phantom 1


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpDg6Bifaok

My flight over burrow pit. I call it Nigerian Grand Canyon . Enjoy


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpDg6Bifaok

I did this shoot somewhere in Benin city off lagos express Enjoy and comment


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpDg6Bifaok,