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mostob:
Raya deal to be made permanent. Probably working on Toney's loan deal.

Hmmmm....

I just hope we don't sign another lacazette oo


Any Striker wey we sign, make e turn up abeg

Spy360:
Muller invented the word not necessarily the skill. Japa didn't start in 2021, even though the word was invented then to mean leaving the country. Tiki taka didn't start with Pep even though he made it popular.

Muller is an AM or SS. He used the word raumdeuter to explain his role in the team because people were wondering why he was roaming the pitch just as you are wondering why Kai is roaming the pitch.

Whether you want to call it interpreter or not, the idea is to control space.

Oga, he invented the word. Stop clutching at straws

Nobody was a Raumdeuter before him. And if you check it, there was no role like that before him. Stop forcing something just to find leeway for Havertz. No be by force na!!


Space interpreter is different from your so called space controller. Last season I always commend our players(especially Odegaard) for his half-space understanding and interpretation. Xhaka too. Nobody calls them Raumde.uters.

daveP:
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Who is Oscar Bobb?

I'm laughing now because as Oga don do this one, i know Apprentice go wan do hin own now. 😂

Oscar Bobb have been in their bench since.

Apprentice won't do nada since Dubbery and other academy can't even make bench

mostob:
Nothing would have changed even without Havertz on the field. We were scoring goals last season with Xhaka in the team because the system was still new. Saka and Martinelli have been underpar recently. Ode will rather tek than play proper football. Jesus doesn't stay inside the box. Havertz is one issue out of many bro.

While our striker/attackers are underwhelming this season, I still think an effective Lam would have made our attack more effective than how it's originally is.

Notice how everyone is drifting towards Right(Rice, Saka, Odegaard) and leaving the left? Opponents know that is our strongest point of and even at that we still try to create chances.

But the left is just left for only Martinelli to figure his way out. Zinny will invert in middle and leave him. Havertz will do "space controller/ghosting". and leave him. And you wonder why our LHS is dead. No be say Martinelli na one kind Messi sef.

An effective Lam would have made our two legs to stand up instead of only one leg which we're presently standing on (RHS)

Leyqute:
Space controller. Didn’t know Aang the airbender now plays football.

Person dey control space without ball

Nothing wey we no go hear for Havertz matter

This is hardly surprising when you realise that its origins start with a current player — the aforementioned Thomas Müller, who invented the term himself.



He's usually defined as being in the Number 10 slot behind the striker, in a 4-2-3-1 shape...

And lastly, Raum.deuter are known as Space interpretators or investigators and not "space controllers" as you make us to believe

We can see that it's Muller who invented it, yet Spy360 you say examples are Old men crespo, old men Inzaghi and old men Trezeguet.

Lastly the other examples given are Callejon and Delle Alli. These are players who played predominantly as SS during their prime in Napoli and Tottenham respectively.

We don't use 4231 so any Rau.mdeuter for Havertz is totally wrong cos we don't use one

https://www.google.com/url?q=https://jobsinfootball.com/blog/raumdeuter-role-explained/&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwiy5OPsstqDAxWbU0EAHV7ZC1wQFnoECAMQAg&usg=AOvVaw2L26_PMniWQLyEtZm_pwfB

Here's the link Spy in case you're interested.
Not the one you're describing me Muller saying it's Raumdeuter definition.

Spy360:
What you're saying is similar to saying that dribblers are mostly midfielders or sweepers are only defenders.

Today goalkeepers have been sweepers, dribblers have been defenders so why can space readers be midfielders.

For your information, Muller was a 10. A SS is basically an advanced midfielder. Kai can be a SS in the LAM position so what's your problem?

Now look at the pix below that describes Thomas Muller, change the name to Kai Havertz and see if the description also fits.

Sweepers are mostly for GK and CBs.
A FB can't be a sweeper neither can an attacker be a sweeper. Go look for the definition of sweeper and educate yourself.

Kai can't play Ss as an Lam/LCM. I don't know where you're getting all these stuff from. As like saying Alonso (of Chelsea) is playing striking from defence because he scores goals.
Ss predominantly plays close to the Striker in an advanced position and hardly drops deep.

Will you be truthful that that's what Havertz plays here??

Finally, the pictures below describes Muller.

Show me the attributes of a Raumd.euter not Muller characteristics?

Spy360:
At least you found one evidence yourself, meaning that it wasn't my idea in the first place. All you now need to do is to use the evidence and apply it to other players.

Like I said, Raumdeuters are mostly SS and not Lam/LCM so that even tells you that your definitions are way off to what Havertz is doing.

It's like you calling ball playing CBs and you start calling Haaland and mbappe.

Who does that?

Spy360:
Kai is the best option for now. That's because compared to others that have been used there, he completes the team more. Though personally, I prefer a right footed player in that role and ESR looks good for me. I even prefer him there to Rice. Hence I will support any change that will include him and hope his recurring injuries don't spoil things all over again.

Lmaoooo...
See cruise!!!!


Havertz10 = Spy360

Nothing wey anybody fit tell me.

Havertz10 give Spy360 him phone back cos I can't take it anymore

afrodoc2:
That is why i said space wetin? Controlling space in midfield with 22 passes per game?

Spy sabi invent words ehh

Spy360:
Lol.

I didn't say midfield controllers, I said space controller or space reader. Google raumdeuters in football for further explanations. It's not my term.

The only Raum.deuter in that list is Muller.
An Raum.deuters are mostly SS.

This one I dey see strikers and correct Midfielders especially Fabregas defeats your definition.

where you see your this space controllers examples from? I beg I need evidence

mostob:
Actually, he is going for another international tournament.

E better like that

Spy360:
I am also convinced that given time Trossard will click in that LAM position. I have also held the opinion that our best bet there is even ESR. I have so much conviction that he will overtake everybody in that position if his injuries allow him.

But for now it's all about Kai.

This is what you should get.

If you feel he'll click in that Lam position, why are you saying Kai is the best we got?

Shebi na more than one matches Kai played to become your best bet as Lam. Make Trossard play him own more than one match too

Spy360:
No everyone will have tactical eyes.

The managers, players and ex-players and national team coaches and myself know what we see.

Kai is a space controller and that skill set is difficult to see. The same way a dribbler is difficult to see.

Actually Midfield controllers are not difficult to see.

I don't know if you invented the word Space controllers cos I've never heard of anything like that in football.

I just skimmed through your other posts and I saw space controllers examples and I'm just amused.

Anything sha for Havertz. Effects of Massive Pr and JuJu

afrodoc2:
You can't play in that position and be focussed on off the ball runs.

Other CMs are making 45-60 passes per game and the guy is making 22 passes per game. When he makes his off the ball runs who is he leaving his primary job to? The guy is a hybrid of McTominay and VDB.

Last season Xhaka was making about 42 passes per game. Now his replacement is making just over 50% of that meaning there are 20-22 times per game this season where instead of being in position to receive the ball from his teammate and control the game the guy is off elsewhere on the pitch doing God knows what.

I don tell Spy last week say Havertz na German McTom. He's one of the reasons Martinelli suffers too cos instead of him to have any sort of relationship with Martinelli to drag player away from him, he'll be running into the box for God knows what.

I've always said it that once we're with the ball, this guy is a ghost. You'll never ever see him.

afrodoc2:
Spy, Havertz is averaging 22.8 passes per game in the EPL. Can you name another starting midfielder in a top side who is averaging such poverty numbers?
Your answer might reveal some truths to you.

When he's always running, why will he pass?

Always running away from the ball and Spy will tell us it's "off the ball runs"

I believe Havertz is the Carlos Kaiser of our time.
Scam otu footballer.

Spy360:
We have tried Trossard there and seen his ability. He is not better than Kai at all in that LAM position.

The closest I can vouch for is ESR who himself is basically untried. Even though I have preference for him.

Until Partey comes back and Rice plays that role as a CM, the best we have there is Kai Havertz

How many times have Trossard played there this season?
Just once aganst West Ham but you think that's enough.

Meanwhile when Havertz started there beginning of season and was dropping stinkers you were here telling us how he needs more games to click and acclamatize.

You've forgotten so soon that Trossard won our preseason best player and what position did he played while winning that? LAM

At least, the preseason performance will show you that if given more game time there he'll surely deliver but of course you won't know.

Havertz will Never be missed in this team!!

E just dey pain me say person laidat no dey go injury or collect straight red card

Spy360:
Berbatov himself said Kai is the closest to him in terms of skill and techniques. So you doubting my point is the one who needs to get informed. When people make statements ask for evidence before dismissing them.

Berbatov said so. I'm sure even late Beckenbauer, Kahn and so many other good to great players especially ex German players and pundits said so too which I why I said the guy PR or JuJu must be so so strong and massive. I mean, the only evidence you think/feel the guy is good is because pundits/ex players said so

We wey don watch am for more than 3 years now and we know say there's nothing like unique talent in this guy not to talk of the "generational talent" he's been attributed with.

His talent is always on pundits mouth, ex players mouth, blogs/site but Never on the pitch!!

This guy Jazz/Grace and PR or whatever is so massive that it needs to be taught in school as a course on its own.

daveP:
make he still dey avoid am na. He think say na beans? Ucl football go change his OT. Lol

Personally, I think nobody will look at whether you're good in head or not if really you're good at what you do with your legs.

See Salah for example, he hardly contests for headers too and the few he's scored is mostly empty net/free headers yet nobody is seeing it as issues. And there are so many examples aside those two.

Not saying it's not important but personally there are many more important facets of his games he needs to improve on that's up in the scale of preference than headers.

Roland17:
Baba, wetin you say make I talk na?

He adds no value to us right now. No one is going to take him on another loan. Some of our transfers dey annoy me.

Imagine if we took the money spent on Kai Kai/ Raya and scraps like Marquinhos to buy a solid midfielder?

Baba I don tire.

Likeeee.... Na we just use our hands dig ourselves enter this ffp matter with open eyes.

E just dey tiring!!

daveP:
Alexis is shocker than him but still use head. I hate when attackers can't use head, especially for empty net. He needs to totally step UP that aspect abeg.

To imagine we were connected to him before Liverpool took over again.

Lol... I don't know if contesting for aerial duels can be taught sha. (Except free headers).

I don't just know if he can step up in that sha (cos I don't really know anyone who's a professional who is bad at header later turned good)

Roland17:
Someone with only one start I think since he went on loan. I don’t think his return was at Arsenal’s request, I think Nantes were done. I guess he gives us some depth but I don’t see Arteta involving him in the league or UCL

What's the depth if he won't be involved in either competition?

So many dross depth in this team

mostob:
Omo...where all these rumours dey comot sef? First, it was Mayoral..now it is Joshua. I think Joshua is from Bayern academy.

He's from Bayern academy.

I no even know anything about am sef but he's probably mid. If we can't get a top striker, make we just manage Nketiah and Jesus laidat.

What's the need of selling free Nketiah to buy another Nketiah

BlueRayDick:
I read the thing I just dey laugh. I don watch Havertz for almost 4 years week in week out and I no see any of these qualities. At this point it appears when Jude of Chelsea thread dropped the Havertz hype, he handed it over to Spy and he he intends to outdo Jude in the new assignment.

Shey na the same Havertz wey dey play like drunkard he dey describe as having technique and guile of Ozilsque & Berbatovic kinikan knikan...?

Like nothing dey surprise me seeing that attributes associated with Havertz. Sometimes you'll wonder what this guy does that will make you look at Ozil/Berbatov/ballack and still think he has any of this gifted attributes like them. Na either massive Pr or Jazz cos this one is more than normal eyes.

I don tell Spy say na him be the new Jude for this thread. Havertz must be so proud of their loyalty for elevating mediocrity into godlike height

Spy360:
You have the benefit of hindsight.

Even at that, Kai still possesses the technique and guile of an Ozilesque/Berbatovic midfielder that if he clicks would be of devastating effect. Right now it's not so, but he has the potentials.

Na only for blogs and football sites him deh possess all these techniques right from when him dey Chelsea. Everywhere else apart from the most important place — the pitch!!

This guy PR must be studied!!

Spy360:
The bolded may be a genuine argument. But the first paragraph no get evidence. The question is who?

Trossard never die.
We knew what he can do at LCM in preseason and if given some run of games, he'll excel there cos he's shown he got it. Presently we've ESR too who's back.

Na only you dey feel say no we no get people when actually with or without his signing we for still go far.

daveP:
Your last line is accurate and our problem. Infact notice that for crosses Kai does, he's looking for saka and not Nketiah or Jesus. That says a lot. Plus why is Saka refusing to use his head? All our losses, he had such big chances but preferred leg. We need this striker so bad simply because of what's at stake.


Nunez is having a turn around that soon, no one will remember he's a chance waster. He's a 9. ]But he'll still start over a Jota that plays similar to Jesus.

There was a reason I asked you that time how many open play headers have Saka actually scored when you were saying that Saka should leave corner kick duties and compete for headers.



As for Jota, he's is their killer!!.

Jota have been out since due to injury and he's just returning. Ask any Liverpool fan, Jota is always a firm favourite to always start when fit.

daveP:
That villa game,that was the Emery plan. His plan worked totally. Asides our bluff. But his plan worked!! Meaning he outsmarted us. Forget any domination talks. Not all domination is a W or ends in W. Some managers just have tiny details that can get them 3points while some sweat over 20 details, overthink them and lose to tiny details. Plus the inability to read and change things during the game too. That killed us. Every time we started a counter vs Villa, we always slowed things down till all purple shirts recovered their shape. That's arrogance!!🤣🤣🤣🤣


End of game: we had loads upon loads of chances, but...

Winners: we did one or two and got the goals. But they came at us hard but we survived


Na by chance?

Lol... Anyways you're right about us slowing counters but I believe if we were clinical, it would be a different story.

Odegaard X2 and Martinelli missed chances would have negated any plans Aston Villa had. Na we personally kill ourselves for that game

BlueRayDick:
The scouts and Edu supposed work something out for us from that side instead of wasting substantial amounts pursuing mid players all over Europe. The South Americans would even take reasonable wages and it won't disorganize our wage structure.

And to think Edu was a sporting director in a Brazilian league team before coming here, I dunno why he doesn't wants to utilize his influence there.

Let's just assume his Marquinhos deal was a mistake (miss), there are so many Brazilian/South America players that can ball in this team.

Sadly, na even Chelsea dey look that side pass us sef

daveP:
Haba na. No exaggerate am na. If we see semi-haaland right now, problem solved. The instincts of a goal scorer like Auba, for example, will help. But we know personnel seriously need step up. I for one will need a White and Zinny upgrade.

True...
There are so many chances a real striker would have converted but it was really wasted.

One thing I noticed is that most of our attackers are always looking for cutbacks. Nobody is attacking the near post, so even if any of our wingers crosses the ball, it'll look as if it's crossed to nobody

mostob:
1. That goal was a result of mix-up between Partey, White and Saka. I wouldn't fault Ramsdale.

2. Partey will play. Rice will move to 8.

You really watch ball that day. I don dey suspect Spy360 small small. Nothing at all for that Fulham first goal have to do with Ramsdale one bit