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kokaneprodigy:
It’s because the opponent (defender) touched the ball.

If Akanji or Walker had touched that ball it would have been offside, instead Bruno did. Jodera read the rule with an open mind.

I’m done with this debate.

Na so...
Like say no be two different rules for different scenarios.

timbros:
From....









To....





I swear, this boy na clown. Nothing you fit tell me

Lol...dem too plenty for this thread.

Hosanna hosanna today
Crucify crucify him tomorrow

iamoyindamola:
Rashford that ran toward the direction of the ball how's that not active play

Help me ask ooo.

E confuse me

kokaneprodigy:
There is a difference between offside position and offside offense.

Rashford was in an offside position, he did nothing afterwards that translates to an offside offense

Nobody argued that being in an offside position is an offence. What we clearly argued is that being in an offside position and involved in active play is what is an offence.

How would you say he did nothing afterwards when he made that dashing run? You think that run towards that dangerous zone didn't change alot of things

You think just kicking the ball is what is called active play?

If Rashford had just stood in that offside position (instead of running towards the ball) thus not involving in active play and Bruno scored, do you think anyone here would be arguing about the goal?

kokaneprodigy:
Because the defender touched the ball, even in FIFA video games, they won’t blow offside unless the opponent saves it.
Read the part I circled

You need to read the rule books and set whatever you think aside.

Good, this is another of the rules clearly stated and that's because Gakpo was involved in ACTIVE PLAY.

So how is Rashford not involved in active play when he made that dangerous run to that dangerous zone? How is he not involved in active play with respect to this rule

BlueRayDick:
I hope Xhaka and Odegaard will train freekick this week. I have a feeling Saka/Martinelli will get fouled on the edge of the box and we will need to take advantage to break their spirit.

Another factor. You see that and outside the box shots too.

kokaneprodigy:
If this happens against us and they score. The goal will stand par the rules.
Unless there’s a change in rules before that.

No wahala, make we dey watch.
Na time I no get to even do matches research on this stuff na why.

EPL refs are never never consistent that's my issue.

I remember Liverpool Vs wolves (2days ago), they played a ball for Gakpo to chase and as he was chasing it, the defender following him kicked the ball out for throw in.... Yet the linesman raised the flag for offside and ref blew(in the first half)

Mind you, Gakpo didn't touch the ball yet he was deemed offside.
I read a post where spy said you need to touch the ball to be deemed offside and I just laff reading it ystdy night

Like I said... Pundits, footballers and ex footballers didn't just become ignorant of this rule all of a sudden!!

But then, no wahala

BlueRayDick:
We just need to watch United CM’s , make sure they don’t send defence splitting to the wide areas when we are up in their half attacking .

Once we are able to prevent this , we are assured of a win against man utd . Man for man we go outplay dem , na just make we no lose focus like we did first leg .

I believe our Midfield.
If our defence and attack can be fully focused, especially that attack cos they need to be clinical, then I see us getting 3 points.

Martinelli needs to be up and doing against Wan bisakka cos that guy is a beast defensively.

It'll be a big physical battle between Gabriel or Saliba and Werghost. Thank God he isn't that skillful and fast. And most importantly, we need to be wary of Rashford runs in behind defences.

kokaneprodigy:
The played draw, Casemiro Yellow carded to miss next match.

We serve a living God.

Na real Living God we dey serve.

It's up to us now to ensure we do our own part

iamoyindamola:
I dan tire for their talk that was clearly offside I no know wetin them they talk again

One day one day it'll rear it's ugly head again and we'll revisit this topic again.

I just hope that, that time, I pray it doesn't happen against us

Ballzproblem2:
Thiago Silva in team of the week ,but one idiot go tell you say na chelsea problem ,same idiot will come and tell you mount deserves£300k per week

ObaIgwe1:
Influenced? That is exactly what happens to fake friends...they get influenced to change their stand with you. Or he didn't really know what he wanted. Just because some people start whispering different things to his ears and he had to forget his long time ambition which he sang and danced about in the public...then he is feeble minded.

Anyway, he is in the past now, let's forget about him.

Lol... You're doing it as if he owed us anything? News flash: He doesn't!!

He liked us, arsenal liked him, Chelsea liked him. If it was personally within his power, obviously he'll be in North London not South(abi West).
We both brought bid and if arsenal is that desperate for him to join us(just as he had shown that he's desperate to join us) then they would have outbidded Chelsea but obviously that's not our model. Moreover, Ambition or money or family or all three can influence anybody especially someone who doesn't owe anybody anything.

Well, it's all over. We move, hopefully we'll get someone better.
We lost Vlahovic to juventus and got Jesus
We lost L. Martinez to Man u and got Zinchenko.

Nobody that's is present here will say he isn't happy with any of the two signings.

Hopefully, we'll definitely get someone better

Casemiro to miss arsenal match.

Another reason we need to maximally capitalise biko

Spy and Kokane, I saw Una mentions thou.
It's surprising how almost everyone (including professional players and pundits) see that thing as offside except PGMOL. I can go on an on with examples but let's just move on to other discourses...

Anyways, Sunday have been set perfectly for us. It's our home also. Hopefully, let us make it count. We need to!!!

COYG!!

kokaneprodigy:
meanwhile, did you see that twitter video?

Lol... I couldn't find the guy sha but I watched the clip on YouTube (since I remembered it's fa cup final)

I believed these two are different and here's my reason.

1... The distance covered by Ramsey wasn't much (just a step). And this has always been my point.
2... Sanchez made a follow through immediately he played that ball to that zone. Not that he capitalised on Ramsey's presence/action there. Bruno clearly capitalised on Rashford interference

Even Ederson was expecting Rashford to take a shot and have already readied himself before Bruno (from the opposite side) took it.


All these facts are based on this rule below that I marked orange

ObaIgwe1:
Chelsea didn't surprise me, neither did Shakhtar.
I was even surprised Arsenal bid 95m for Mudryk knowing how prudent Edu is.
What surprised me was the lack of will of Mudryk to follow through the "romantic vibe" he kept giving to Arsenal fans since summer. As soon as Chelsea offered him more money, he forgot the love he was professing to us. I believe if he had insisted on Arsenal, he would be at Emirates now. Well I don't like fake love and and I prefer an enemy to a fake friend. This is my only disappointment in the whole deal.

I know we can achieve our goals without him or with other great talents still hidden somewhere.

Like I said earlier, he was influenced. You don't know the number of people that "chuuk yarns" to his ear and head (esp people close to him like family and all).

You're making it seem as if Chelsea brought money once and he just jumped on the offer. This guy blatantly rejected Chelsea and say he's going to only Arsenal when Chelsea came earlier. The main reason they went for Felix since the guy clearly rejected them. You think someone who rejected Chelsea just under two weeks and was already doing a praying emoji when arsenal had that breakthrough would just choose Chelsea in less than 2days?

Even the guy unsmiling unveiling pictures will tell you the he isn't happy with the decision he made but here you're branding him as "fake friend"

kokaneprodigy:
FA defined what is termed interference, don’t put your words into the rule book. If you are a lawyer and you argue like this you won’t win any case.

Lol... No problem boss

Izurejoice:
we are not oh. We are among the most expensive, atleast top ten

Starting 11? You're sure?


I'll check cos I can't believe we're one of the most expensive

iamoyindamola:
Fixed don't blackmail miracle

iamoyindamola:
The boy body language is making him look nervous or maybe he was forced
Though their offer were far better than ours

Yeah... He was influenced.

Two days before Chelsea hijacked the deal, i read that Shaktar was telling him to choose Chelsea over arsenal as even though they're struggling cos in the long run they'll win trophies more than us. Moreover, I read even his family members were speaking to him too about Chelsea.

If you notice, that day Chelsea hijacked the deal and it was official, I said here that I don't blame him one bit because he was influenced. He isn't really happy and I'm not surprised

iamoyindamola:
Lmao fabrizio said there was progress but alot of work to do
Meaning they are considering the offer not agreement if not arsenal can sue them for agreeing and not fulfilling it
Moreover why didnt we bring the 95 since

Of course, they would have agreed cos the breakthrough was there. Even Arteta In his pre-match conference gave hint about Mudryk and we know how Arteta hardly gives hints. Remember we're the only team interested as Chelsea initially backed out

Chelsea hijacking the deal at the dying minutes is what caused everything. And I'm sure it's more than that 5m they're brandishing about.

Chelsea acted desperate. If we brought our own 5m, they would still top it and that would result to a bidding war

Spy360:
There's nothing to gain because they cannot sell him above that fee in future even if he turns good. I mean look at Felix bought for 150m by Athletico Madrid and is going on loan. A player may be good doesn't mean he will be good for you. Arsenal scouted him, Chelsea only hijacked the deal.

Who tells you most big clubs look at selling you for higher price in the future. Their own is that as they're buying you, let you perform very well at an optimum level. That's why he signed 8½ year deal

It'll only be a loss (just like Felix - athletico) if he flops. Mbappe was bought for 160m, nobody is saying PSG haven't gained anything.
Ronaldo moved at a world record fee. 10yrs from then, the money looked small.

And hijacking the deal doesn't automatically means he'll flop. Chelsea still hijacked deal of Hazard and Willian from arsenal and Tottenham respectively and both turned out great.

I hope this one turns out wrong for them tho

iamoyindamola:
Then i hope we don't lose ucl position

it'll be a miracle if we lose UCL position sha.
But I just want to trust the board this season for any decision they make this season.

It's the reason why I'm not hyped up about any transfer news unlike last season I was always complaining

iamoyindamola:
Is mudryk an arsenal player
How is that not time wasting , from the beginning they quoted 100 for us and use anthony as example
We can't pay simple we go away but he was going back and forth trying to add figures together
How is that not time wasting when shaktar never reduce the amount for a day

But you know Shaktar already agreed to our deal of 95m and it was just structure they were working on before Chelsea hijacked it at the last minute right?

If there was breakthrough and Shaktar did a turnaround, why then would you blame arsenal for time wasting?

iamoyindamola:
Now you see the problem
No plan B, tell me why i shouldn't be scared
Against newcastle we ran out of ideas bench was empty
I am 100% sure after January we can't have easy ride couple with fa cup and europa

Well.... They might just trust Nelson and Smith Rowe if they don't get any other signings.

But I'm 98% sure that we're not getting anybody after that failed Mudryk deal, reason why my hope is not up for any signings Tbh.

I think they're just been wary of deadwoods Tbh

Spy360:
Please note what I said. That whatever decision was made could still be debatable. That is even if an offside was given, it would be debated. Hence, each party must make a case for themselves. If Akanji had tried to play the ball then one would have justifiably said he was obstructed. The fact that he didn't, gave the ref room to award the goal. Remember, the ball wasn't coming to Akanji, it was leaving him. So he had to prove that he got the ball by making an attempt.

Alright... Understood

Spy360:
I think the big losers are Chelsea.

Shakhtar wanted to sell after Arsenal showed interest after scouting, but hyped their player claiming he was better Antony bought for 80m by Man United. Chelsea fell for the hype, and knowing how successful Arsenal scouting has been in recent years decided to go all out. Remember they got Felix on an expensive loan deal (because of same Arsenal interest). What they don't know is that what works for us may not work for them.

I hope to have a last laugh. Not at the player but at Chelsea. 8.5year deal on over 300k weekly is surely going to disrupt they dressing room further. Many of their players will become dissatisfied and discontented and they will begin to cause trouble.

You wouldn't know the bolded until it pans out. He might turn a hit for them and everyone will forget the price. He might turn a flop and your prediction will be right.

I rate the guy highly sha and like I said in Chelsea thread, I just hope the guy proved us wrong that he's not who we really thought he is

And yes, I hope it affects them in the long run too

iamoyindamola:
You guys keep on messing the point up
Last season when partey and other key players got injured the season went off before our eyes
This season again we haven't address partey position
If these guys are really serious on buying they should have gotten players knowing jan transfer is the most difficult because no one will want to release players
Now we spent half of january running after ghost just the way we did with vlahovic, that is what got me angry plus the DM we were once eyeing has gone to nottinham
Now we are back to square one

The big issue is that you think we've not addressed Partey position this season when the club thinks otherwise (Elneny).

Remember, the club only started bidding for Danilo and later Douglas Luiz when they found out Elneny is out for a lengthy period. Not saying I'm agreeing with the choice but I just want you to see that what you think isn't addressed by the club is contrary to what they're thinking.

The only thing the club might be looking out for are just wingers(cos that's where we're short on), reason why they went all out for Mudryk. Maybe there's a plan B, but I don't think there's is because we were so confident of landing him as there was no other rival (just as we did Zinny).

Spy360:
Like I said, whatever decision was made could have equally be debatable. it now depends on the players to make a genuine case.

Note that an offside is penalised only if the player in the offside position touches the ball or interferes with an opponent by obstructing him from playing the ball.

In this case, the ball was played as a through pass, Rashford did not touch the ball (so could not have been penalised for this). The only other point is if he was interfering with an opponent by obstructing his movement or CLEAR vision. What Akanji could have done was to make a case by jumping into Rashford in an attempt to clear the ball. That would have made a case, but here he didn't make an attempt to play/clear the ball and so leaves Bruno with the advantage.

I blame Akanji for not making an attempt.

No rule blames any player for the bolded. The only case Akanji had was that if he genuinely kept Rashford offside? If Rashford is involved in "active play", any other thing doesn't concern Akanji again. He'll only be blamed if Rashford is onside and he thought he was not or if Rashford isn't involved in active play.

Now the rule of offside is that.. the offending player is offside if he touches the ball or by interference (ie you don't need to touch the ball). The case you're making for Rashford is that he didn't "touch the ball" which is right.

But my case is that he caused an "Interference" and below is the rule I'm basing it from(screenshot attached , the 2nd rule I colored orange).

Now, tell me how Rashford didn't break that rule with respect to "his obvious action"?

BlueRayDick:
Na why I no undertand why people dey get emotional with the Mudryk saga and some on social media are even going to the extent of abusing Edu. Like people just want to complain unnecessarily.

Edu and the management over the past few years have shown they know what they want and those they’ve been successful to recruit have not really disappointed like that bar Pepe.

For a player that will not walk straight into our starting 11 , I believe the amount being quoted for Mudryk on the high side and I’m not really bothered we didn’t get him. The only thing I’m concerned is whether we have plan B and C for him /another addition upfront to bloster our attack.

Lastly kudos to Arteta and the rest of the coaching crew for what they are doing with these boys . I wonder if we had gotten Bruno Gumeres that a lot of people were clamoring for that time, Will he be siting on the bench now or benching one of our current midfielders ?

This is exactly why I brought out those figures for people here to see that we have a model and a good one at that. The model is working excellently. So when I just want to clear the air when people feel that we should have gone all out for Mudryk signing or that the club is stingy and useless. 95m for someone who wouldn't be a starter is even very big enough. For us to even bring that huge sum for someone who wouldn't walk straight into the team shows how talented the boy can be BUT we won't be forced into over doing it.

We've got hungry boys at a very great price most teams would be jealous of. That's not an easy feat. The least Edu and the crew deserves from us is for we to trust them at least.

As for the bolded, that's why I'm not even bothered that we missed him. I mean, we were the one that brought him to limelight because we really assessed him well. If we can spot him, then it means there are other Mudryk we can spot as well

The issue is not even about buying expensive Just to make mouth or feel among else we'll litter here with deadwoods. The main the is to buy Right and ensure to hold them tight. I think arsenal are doing the two perfectly well

Ballzproblem2:
nna eh we Dodge better bullet, boehly go bring en baseball data come EPL thinking it work the same ,na lampard save us , I'm sure he told Everton board that the player is very important and will be a star in the future chai , [b]imagine giving him 8.5 years contract ,om[/b]o

Omorr, na die oo

Our 1st 11 transfer fees (in pounds)

Ramsdale - 30m

Saliba - 27m
Gabriel - 25m
Zinchenko - 35m
White - 50m

Partey - 45m
Xhaka - 35m
Odegaard - 30m

Saka - 0m
Martinelli - 6m
Jesus/Nketiah - 45m


Total... £328m


All these players (bar Xhaka) were all recruited by Edu and Arteta.

Kudos should be wholly credited to Edu(and the recruitment team) for really a job well done especially in this hyperinflated market.

Kudos also to Arteta for Making a monsters out of all these players.

I think we're one of the cheapest first 11 in EPL