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iamoyindamola:
Lmao

You sef don see am na

Partey is not a DM... Spy.360(2022)

Spy360:
Your error is thinking Partey plays as a DM. I don't know why some people think this way.

Firstly, Arteta does not employ a DM in his formation. Secondly, Tielemans plays that role, and unless things change, he is better than the rest CMs we have including Elneny.

Na wa ooo.


Thank God no be you dey arsenal transfer cos I no get anything to respond to all these thing you wrote up there

mostob:
Trust the process...
Mikel Arteta's first starting lineup

Omo, we don change lineup sha

Only Saka and Xhaka dey available for possible first team shirt with

mostob:

Spy360:
Arteta prefers a single pivot with double 8s on either side. His use of Xhaka as an 8 alongside Odegaard was an innovation. Now he wants a real 8 that's why he got Vieira. Partey's backup for that single pivot will be Elneny, Lokonga and Torriera. None of these can be trusted if Partey should be out for long, that's why we needed Tielemans.

I believe he will come, but it means one of those backups will also have to leave- most likely Torriera.

So if we needed a trusted person to replace Partey if he's out, na Tielemans we go need?? Tielemans for DM?

Abegg, e better make we hold Torreira and Elneny instead of buying Tielemans for wrong use

Fkhalifa:
Not impressed with the look of Vieri, he looks feather weight... English football will so bully him.

Lol .. we'll never know for sure till he plays.

mostob:
But goalscoring-wise, England looks more dangerous.

lemme see your combined 3

andrewbaba44:
An afcon winner that year ,take note .

your point??..

hensben:
Did Xavi and iniesta play in epl why would I show you what they didn’t participate in. The way Una Dey reason football for this board at times dey shocking. La liga is equivalent to epl and they won it number of times.

Lol, so you know this but you want people to bring afcon ToTT that wasn't in existence in Oliseh days to elevate Mikel because he was privileged such award was in his time. You're bringing afcon win when abacha banned Nigeria from participating in afcon during Oliseh days after he still won the 94 nation's cup.

See, you guys logic is simple and that's what I'm following. If you feel strapping the seatbelt in bench and winning laurels is what makes you greater than those whose abilities shines through on the field of play, then, you should agree that...

Pedro >>>>>> Xavi and iniesta

andrewbaba44:
Na only that year una wan use against mikel ?

Do you want to see how Olise was chopping bench at the 2001-2002 season at Dortmund ,where is started only 11 league games ,na this player better pass mikel in what aspect ?

What about 2002-2003 season where Olise was not making match day squad in numerous occasions before he was shipped to an ekuke Bochum on Loan ,na this player better pass mikel ?

Failed at juventus and not a regular at BVB ?

Man was sacked by Dortmund because of poor performance and fighting with a teammate

That was the year in context na. That was the year Mikel was given Africa 2nd best and ibi.me was saying that someone who has 10 league starts in that year in his club is a slap on CAF face. There's a reason Donstan.18 didn't refute that.

I thought you read the preceding posts that led to that post reason why I wanted to even clarify you. if you feel those two key bolded I highlighted was false with what ibim.e brought, then you can go on with your earlier plans you had to counter him.

andrewbaba44:
According to you mikel started only 10 games in 2013 ,I guess that should be the 2012-2013 season ?

I need your answers before I get back to you

Because mikel started 19 games in the 2012-2013 season ,that was when Nigeria won the afcon ,he missed some Chelsea games due to injury and being out for the afcon

The proof is here man ,but I will wait for you to be specific with the season first .

10 league games in 2013 calendar year.

The bolded are the keys and context in the argument.

donstan18:
Because he won Europa Coward Henry couldn’t win, e dey pain you.


Relax first, he’s just 3 goals away from breaking Coward Henry’s National goals. Just relax

He’s got more European trophies than Arsenal.

Lol, coward Henry can't win Europa same way coward Messi can't win Europa.

Very soon na here I dey wait when you go tell me pukki get more league titles than mount since pukki don win div2 championship 2-3times.

Na just matter of time

hensben:
Context matters here. Iniesta and Xavi won everything Pedro has as well so the number of times they were won doesn’t matter anymore in comparison, whereas, Oliseh had no ucl or Europa cup. Ibime keep talking of his team achievement forgetting that the super eagles he played were more talented compared to the one Mikel played alongside.

Show me Xavi and iniesta EPL, Carling and Europa?

If not
Pedro>>>Xavi and iniesta (Amokachi and donst.an18)

Ibime:
This is Diego Someones only individual award despite being easily one of the top 5 or ten DMs in the 1990s, which is Oliseh era

Yet the arrogant young man is asking me to go to Wikipedia and compare Obis awards to Oliseh. Only experience will tell you we didn't have much awards then, and not the kind of awards that defensive midfielders collect easily.

I would soon be told Obi is greater than Simeone by the arrogant young man given Simeone never won UCL nor any individual awards. Same UCL criteria he used to place Drogba above R9. Ego speaking.

Na mostly Wikipedia analysts speaking.

That was how a Messi fan I was arguing with offline was saying Messi is the greatest ever player because of the 7 world best he won as against Pele 2 abi 3. I've to cut him short saying during Pele prime years, balon d'Or was given to only Europeans and world best didn't come in his career at all.

Most of these things comes from experience and even watching the game. That's why Wikipedia analysts will tell us Giroud is the greatest striker France have ever produced because of his Europa like say top clubs even send Europa before

Ibime:
Bring out Mikel's individual awards, let's examine them in comparison to Oliseh. You will start yapping about Under-20 Silver ball when Oliseh never played youth football for Nigeria, or will you start yapping about AFCON team of the tournament that never existed in Olisehs day that Oliseh will easily walk into?

Note this in closing. Oliseh was signed back-to-back by 3 recent UCL winners (Ajax, Juve and Dortmund). That's the equivalent today of a player going from Madrid to PSG to City to Bayern back to back to back.

Slowbie was made available for as little as £5m several times during his Chelsea career when he was unwanted by managers and nobody took the bait. The best we heard was interest from a decrepit InterMilan, while Mikel used his political connections at Chelsea to sit on his juicy contracts while hugging the bench and being unwanted by several managers from AVB to Benitez to Mourinho. The same Slowbie is bounced around Middlesborough to Trabzonspor to Stoke to China while Oliseh was going from UCL winner to UCL winner consistently.

Wikipedia can never tell you the value of a player you didn't watch.

Words on Marble.


The bolded na the perfect conclusion

Oga don dey shame for him template.

Pedro >>>> Xavi and iniesta (donstan18 and amokachi)

Pedro greatest Spanish player ever

donstan18:
This one just dey cap.

Shame no gree you answer simple question.

Oga, na your template I dey follow.
More laurels won is greatness

Pedro >>>> iniesta and Xavi

donstan18:
Inesta and Xavi better than Pedro.

Using achievements, trophies, individual awards and recognitions.

Now let’s use these metrics to compare Legend Mikel and Oliseh.

Bring his achievements and individual awards.

fa fa fa..... Foul.


This is the template you and Amokachi is following and that's what you strictly followed.

Pedro is the greatest Spaniard to ever play same way Mikel is the greatest Nigerian to ever play


According to Amokachi and donstan18

Pedro>>>>>> Xavi and iniesta
Kovacic>>>>> modric

donstan18:
No

Same way Mikel is never Nigeria best ever player.

Thank you!!





EOD!!!

donstan18:
Bro Mikel and Oliseh, who’s a bigger and greater footballer?

All these talks no make sense.

Pedro best Spanish player ever innit?
Yes or no?

donstan18:
Mikel’s offense was playing for Chelsea and creating haters from rival clubs.

They’ll hype Chukwueze for winning Europa from bench, hype Aribo and Bassey for reaching Europa finals and losing shamelessly, hype Okocha for dribbling a German keeper l, hype Musa for scoring World Cup goals without Nigeria qualifying for group’s stage, hype Oliseh for scoring fluke long shot.

They hype mugus for rubbish and disrespect this man, huh?

The day someone will bring chukwueze as the greatest attacker or player Nigeria have ever produced because of his Europa League win is the day you'll see people drag him too. Same also with dem Musa and co you mentioned.

donstan18:
Why this question dey hard you to answer?

Lol... The original question was "who was better as a DM". Na you carry trophies come dey parade everywhere

As I don use Pedro choke you with your template e don turn who was "bigger and greater" shebi?


Na only person wey dey pitch dey play ball I dey rate. Perennial club bench warmer cannot be one of them.

donstan18:
Mikel and Oliseh.

Who’s a bigger and Greater footballer?

I don't understand?

It's no longer by how many trophies won according to you and amokachi?

donstan18:
Your point?

that Pedro is the greatest Spaniard of all time same way Mikel is the greatest Nigerian of all time.


Shebi it's by number of trophies carried?

donstan18:
You dare disrespect this legend because of one outside box18 fluke goal by Oliseh against Spain?

Greatest Nigerian player ever to exist.

AFCON 2013 performance we won.

Mikel’s brilliant passing performance in AFCON 2013
How will @mikel_john_obi and Nigeria do at AFCON 2019#mikel #afcon2019 #nigeria #supereagles pic.twitter.com/y4jQBc5sEZ

— Sporty-Tips (@daakinstips) June 17, 2019

UCL performance Chelsea won.

⏪ John Obi Mikel's key role in Chelsea's 2012 final victory 🔝

🏆 @mikel_john_obi #MondayMotivation | @ChelseaFC | #UCL pic.twitter.com/Cfuoi1diyD

— UEFA Champions League (@ChampionsLeague) April 26, 2021

A legend.

Same way Pedro is the greatest Spaniard ever

World cup, euros , CWC, Europa, UCL, la Liga, EPL, ....

Godx:
Remove them and tell me the profit for city.

You can do that yourself

My own is just wait till the official amount comes out

mostob:
Are you sure?

yes na

But then, if we do combined between those 6, only Saka will make my front 3.

They other England duo will be the last people I'll think of in case of sub

Godx:
Baba even Kalvin Philips added to City arrivals is still a Leeds player. I don't even know what you are crying about. Ok remove Gabriel and Kalvin Philips. Are you happy now?

Good, remove Gabriel and Philips, is it still 12m profit?

And yes, I'm happy if you remove both.

hensben:
He p
Oliseh played with best super eagles team at their peak, Mikel was the one carrying his set, he was the star man in every tournament.

You don start again?
Mikel carry who?

Nigeria?

MorataFC:
How? pls expatiate

E shock you

Godx:
Bringing up what as facts? That Gabriel Jesus is going to leave city for arsenal or what exactly do you have a problem with?

That Gabriel Jesus is leaving Man city to arsenal for £50m. The fee is not yet confirmed so it's rumor for now.

Bringing £50m as a fact when it's not yet official in order to add it to Man city departures to prove a point is false. For all we know, Jesus is still presently a Man city player and that's that.

donstan18:
Against which non-Chelsea players did you support Jorg and Mount?

Jorginho Even against Messi and co when I was giving valid reasons why he can win world best or balon d'Or.

I'm not sure any Chelsea player was nominated in top 5 if I'm correct