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mostob:
So, are we saying Arteta can't shop for the kind of players he want by himself. Why must all the new singings be based on recommendations. The only players he was so adamant to sign was Willian and we all know how e dey go right now.


Jodera, you sabi play AM make we contact Papilo for recommendation. If Oga blueraydick sef fit keep wella, no qualms.
We just need recommendation. Thank God Papilo na our brother.

Me na right footed naija version of saka oo

Versatility and productivity too choke!!

FirstbornWds:
Good old days

Cc: Jodera

It was never any good ol' days.

Top 4 was just a process to get to trophy not our actual destination itself. The frustration then, was also the frustration now cos both had a never ending cycle.

Most arsenal fans still left during that time, so no big difference.

Our good ol' days was between 1998-2006

Expert17:


You never see anything self

Omo x10

Where all these stats been dey?

LostMyZeal:
LoL.. so you want me to watch a YouTube vid that a zombified Barca fan made.

And to think Majority of those Barca fans think as if dem use their sense carry 2 odds

I can as well show you hundreds of videos that prove otherwise

There's a reason the referee that officiated that 2nd leg always feels embarrassed talking about that game yunno

And for the bold, hope you know Cr7 is one of the most hated athletes for this world

Yeah right!!
That's why we love him

No need talking further abeg, your wahala too much.

Just carry dey go

LostMyZeal:
E no hard ooh. At all at all

As for the bold, that's an indication that you aren't too sure if there was any and it's so because there haven't been any controversy.

But barca UCL controversy that year no be here. That's where they got UEFALONA from

Lol... Thank God you know, so just acknowledged Messi as great instead of fraud... Even if you believe say Ronaldo pass am(even tho that one go be another argument for another day )

Now, lemme get to the bolded and the uefalona part .

Now it's not as if I'm not sure, I am.
It's just that most people no too hate Madrid same way people hate barca. Barca from 2009-2012 was a great team that makes all other team park the bus by force. Hence their hate

Madrid have no such hate that's why people no too put their matter for head cos most people love Ronaldo to win or score and it doesn't matter if Madrid was favored or not.

Barca was mostly robbed or unfairly treated first leg against Chelsea in 2009. Nobody made a noise cos everyone(almost) wanted barca out by any means. But wen the table turn 2nd leg, every pikin wey dem born same day that 2009 heard about it cos of the hate of barca.
Watch this barca vs Chelsea first leg and see what's up, yet nobody talked about it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9TDAXhLWI8

This 2nd one is the favor Madrid had over Bayern in one of their 3-peat win

1... Casemiro had a more than 4 yellow card offences, but was not sent off at all

2... Vidal had only 1 yellow card offence but was shown 2 yellow cards which resulted in him being sent off

3... Ronaldo scored a pure offside goal(his 2nd), and it was counted.

Nobody till now talked about this match, but you'll see people calling barca fraud for their Cl win in 2011 for a van persie red card


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTprG5Q_ALU

That's to tell you the kinda of hate barca has and love Madrid enjoys from most people

DissTroy:
Transliteration isn't always wrong. "I am a man" is literally "I am a man" in any language.

"Fruit of the womb" is where you have to be careful not to transliterate.


If transliterations, figures of speeches and biblical analogies are that easy to spot by everyone, they should know the following:

1. 7 days of creation is not Monday to Sunday;

2. Eve did not talk to a literal serpent;

3. The Garden of Eden is a not a physical place but man's spiritual state with God;

4. The forbidden fruit is not a literal fruit.

And don't get me started on the 66 books. That's another topic.

The point is, most people take these things literally mostly because their equally innocent "Daddies-in-the-Lord" do not even know better.

They just 'kabash' and hope the 'grace' of God is sufficient to cover ignorance.

Hmmmm...
in any of your spare time can you please explain those bolded for me? I would want to learn, even if it's a dead thread so as not to derail here

I will really appreciate that

raumdeuter:
Most events recorded in the bible were not recorded real time. Some were recorded hundred of years after the original incident

For example the earliest Gospel which was the book of Mark was written over 50yrs after Jesus died

Think of all the things that could possibly have been lost or mischaracterized when 5 people are reporting an incident that happened 50yrs ago from memory and sometimes reporting the words of eye witness 50yrs ago

Imagine a man that died in 50yrs ago whose life was not documented when he was alive, now in 2022 they are asking people who knew him to write things about him, There will be many similarities in the major events, but the other ones might have many instances that are not very accurate

For example the story of India vs Nigeria 99-1 Do you know how many people believed it? If not for enlightenment it would have become Gospel truth.

Depending on the side of the country you grow up in, Some believed it was Segun Odegbami, Some believed it was Okwaraji who was one of the actors in that "match"

Obviously that story came from one source and was modified from mouth to mouth till it almost became true

Wow... I understand your point and your example about Nigeria vs India (also leading to the death of Sam Okwaraji) would certainly be a Gospel "Truth" if not for Google and digital information.

But come to think of it... It is believed that Bible was written by Men inspired by God, and not just any man itself. Example, the first 4 books of the bible was written by Moses and compiled who was inspired by God himself. If most are inspired by God, then that tells you the accuracy it might have and not just some men just taking it upon themselves to write things up. While I agree that some words maybe lost due to passing down to different hands, the accuracy won't be that far off.

DissTroy:
"Jesus moved to Bethlehem". If you transliterate this statement, it still means the same thing.
"He kicked the bucket." If you transliterate this statement, it means something else. If you translate it, it means "he died".

Transliteration is a literal meaning. Translation is context dependent.
The supposed translators of the Bible from Aramaic to Hebrew to Greek and Latin to German and/or English lost a lot of context.
In Hebrew, the word for day could also mean week or a long period of time.


I'm Ibibio. The Ibibio word for "market day' and "market" is "Udua". The Ibibio word for "week" is also "Udua".

If I say, I'd be back in one "udua", if you transliterate it, you'd tell someone, "Disstroy would be back in one day" while what I actually meant if you translate it is, 'I'd be back in one week".

That's the problem with the bible you read. Most pastors don't even know the difference.

The Hebrew word for "day" means many things. including "a long period of time".

While I agree with you that some portions of the bible are transliterated, I don't believe that all are transliterated, else reading the bible will be so wrong (as a Christian) cos we won't be getting what the passages actually meant.

I understand your examples, (I clearly do), but one thing I do know from reading the bible (and through Bible studies) are, any transliterated verse is mostly explained in another book, chapter or verse of the bible. The example you gave about God creating the earth in days as being transliterated is a perfect example (which I know before now) cos even another passage of the bible clarified that.(which you correctly explained in your previous post).

That's why they're 66 books in the bible, some with different versions almost saying same thing , (book of kings and chronicles, the different versions of the 1st four books in new testaments and so on).... Reading them, one can spot some transliterations. If all are transliterated, then it's almost useless reading and understanding the bible cos we'll be reading it wrongly.

DissTroy:
All of things in the bible are transliterated, not translated.

Even the same bible says a day before God is like a thousand years with man yet many Christians still parrot the 7-day creation theory as literally 7 days when the original language for day they transliterated from meant "long period of time".

If you call them out, they label you an atheist or heretic or agent of darkness or something vile.

I don't really know where you get this from sha.

If really all the words are transliterated like you opined, then we really don't need to believe in the bible then cos what we'll be reading won't be the actual meaning of what it's being written.

Okay, I want to learn from you if you don't mind, what does the serpent represent? Also who does Adam and Eve represent too?

popizaino:
Its PN OKEKE .

Lol... Abi na

handelex:
I don't know bro, Adam and Eve were married yet it didn't save them from evil knowledge after sex

Won't save you either

Lol...
Come to think of it, dostan18 never still answer how Adam and Eve for take dey fruitful and multiply if not through sex oo.

I still dey wait him answer since

handelex:


Maybe you should try it and find out

True... When I marry.
But for now, lemme be chaste

donstan18:
He couldn’t even impregnate Eve in the Garden, very unproductive man.

Sex is an eye-opener...

It exposes you to lots of evil knowledge.

Lol... Na wa for the bolded oo

Sex exposes you to a lot of evil knowledge... Hmmm

Havertz10:
let's imagine that the entire planet gives their lifes to jesus

Would civilization advance? We will all be bored to death, as beautiful as you people like to make religion appear, it's a boring association of like minded people that only live their lifes in service to a supreme being, herd of sheep

Think about the world without sin, with everybody following the bible to the letter, it's boring and dead, it's a medieval concept that was concocted to give people hope, make living back then in the fields bearable

Besides self, I think you Christians enjoy feeling superior, many people here will be wishing hell for me, it makes you feel good believing that anybody that called you a fool for being stupid, will burn in hell

Lol... They are still Christians of old, who believed in God. It didn't stop them from doing their research or making groundbreaking moves. So no... Earth won't be boring.
Actually, na people wey dey carry Christianity for head without giving to ceasar what belongs to Caesar and to God what belongs to God that might leave a one-way or boring live.


As for the bolded, I dunno about others, but I don't think so about people like you, Far from it. I believe we all have our race to run, so it's just to do it diligently well. I can't judge you cause of what you believe in God or not, neither will I judge another person weda he's a Christian or not.

Reason why I don't engage is that we'll just keep on talking and talking without getting to anywhere near the point.

So I just see it as tiring if you get what I mean.

If na football, we fit discuss on that wella

handelex:
Hehehehehe

I was rather repeating was Donstan said.

Lol.. I for say oo.
Cos he said people that are spiritual know say eye go clear.

While I'm told and taught that it's opposite, reason why most spiritual people desist from sex, esp during major assignments.

So I was curious to know the aftermath after eyes-opening sex

afrodoc2:
If Chidinma could use cucumber nothing is impossible.

Lmao

handelex:

E dey clear eyes bro.

Really... Tell me something abeg?
I wan know what happens to the guy/man after eyes don clear

afrodoc2:
Eve was a freak. She likely allowed the devil to fire her ingboitus. She now taught Adam bad things and the guy stopped attending Sunday service.

You mean Eve allowed Serpent to enter her ingboitus?

donstan18:
He was actually a Dundee, no creativity or productivity throughout his stay in the Garden of Eden.

Sex is an eye opener, any spiritual person will agree to this. I never said sex makes one smart or technology guru.

Did you know how long he stayed in Eden to think he's not productive enough?
Did he felt he' was lacking anything for him to be creative)? After all it's said that necessity is the mother of innovations

If he's not lacking anything in Garden of Eden, what is there to be creative about

How is sex really an Eye-opener? Is it that it makes our mind alert or "know things we initially don't know before"
I'll love to know about this sha. Just few talk if you can oblige me

Havertz10:
if adam and eve had sex, if you calculate how many children a woman can have, number of years she can produce and by mortality rate at such times and add her children too and multiply, you wouldn't get to the current figure of the worlds population in 10,000 years self


The entire bible annoys me deeply, it's premise is so stupid, everything was made in 6 days

I wonder why he needed time, he could do it in an instant, why does his choices coincide with a system of timing that we have chosen to build our civilization around

it's been 2021 years since the death of jesus, christian madness is the origin point of our calendar, add the 6 days of work method god used and you can see how accommodating this madness is causing issues today


Our current calendar is a mess because of this god method that we are following, we have to allocate weird number of days for each month and weird number of months, calendar has been adjusted so many times till they decided to remove 1 February 29 every 100 years to make it usable



Nobody knows when January first is actually, some countries aren't even following our calendar self cause adjustments to accommodate god has been plenty

Hmmm... Actually, I get some answers to your questions but the thing is that I hardly engage religious talks with atheist cos you guys mind are already made up, and you don't believe God or the bible (which is my reference book as a Christian). Questions Esp while the world population is much now and some other questions you asked can really be answered biblically. But you see, we'll never reach a comprise or middle ground cos you'll belittle my Christian book and faith while I will stick to my Christian book and faith

So you see. No middle ground or comprise anywhere


No hard feelings bro... Hope you understand.

donstan18:
Let’s leave what the Bible recorded and judge with results, that will benefit us both.

In the Garden of Eden, they had no child, they fvcked, God chased them out and they now birthed.

If they had sex knowledge prior to the “Disobedient”, why didn’t they birth in the Garden of Eden?

Lol... You see say you don hook.

If I tell you were they Fvcked now, you'll refer me back to the bible of how they ate fruit.

If I refer you back to the bible of how they had intercourse (and Eve got pregnant) you'll say let's leave Bible.

I see you as someone who take Adam as one Dundee who's like a robot until he ate that fruit.

I don't know why we need rack our brains in order to solve issues, instead of just having sex and be smart, since according to you, na sex be Eye-opener

KingAlabi:
Denying your players already

I no deny Pepe na.
I just say na Swissh get that Pepe form

handelex:
I'm just trying to understand him. He claims Christianity as we know it today is basically a scam yet he believes the same God the scammers call upon.

Lol... Him wan become logical Christian na

donstan18:
Did they multiply before the disobedience?

Did the bible record they had no knowledge of intercourse before the disobedience?

donstan18:
When did it become a sin to marry your siblings? What changed? Where did Cain run to? Who and who made up the land? You sure you wanna continue this?

You didn’t prove anything to me, so far I've been making realistic point more than you, you’ve just been running around a particular verse.

From what I know, I've being the one answering your questions steadily, but you've not done justice to mine.

Well, where Adam and Eve went to is other places not named Garden of Eden. The Garden of Eden was place God designed for man (Adam to stay), after the creation of the universe. It's like you building a house and dedicating a special room to your taste. If you go out of that room, that doesn't mean the other parts of the house is useless and nonsense.

God has created the lands, seas fishes and animals, but he planted Man in Garden of Eden where it's specially created and everything was there for him.

If after he left Garden of Eden, Man will still meet lands, water, animals and all sort, not in Garden of Eden. So you asking where Cain went to shouldn't be a problem cos he'll have gone to any land in the earth

donstan18:
Why didn’t it happen in the garden of Eden?

They had short time in the garden of Eden, got exposed to sex, realized how naked they were, e pain God, e chase them comot, they left and continued fvckin which led to pregnancy.

but you still haven't answered my Question I asked you at first. Lemme repeat

When God told Adam and Eve to be fruitful and multiply (which happened before the disobedience), what way were they to be fruitful and multiply if not intercourse?
If you know any other way, do tell me

handelex:
Lolz no dey disguise bro. You're too bold for your liking to be disguising like this.

You claim you believe the God of the Bible who according to the Bible is Omniscient and now you're asking this question?

Just wear your atheist badge with pride

Help me ask am oo

If he claims to be an atheist, I won't even engage him but him claiming to be a Christian and not believing in the bible (even saying I shouldn't use Bible to bobo him ) is a new Something I've never heard

donstan18:
This is the problem.

Be like me, A Christian who doesn’t believe everything the Bible says.

Till date, we are yet to know the parent in-law of Cain.

it's never a sin in the beginning of time to marry your female sibling.

The mistake you made was that you think that Adam and Eve gave birth to ONLY Cain and Abel. Meanwhile the bible said otherwise.


Anyways we're digressing. My previous post just proved to you that the fruit they ate was literal and not some coded words for intercourse that you're making us to believe

donstan18:
When were Cain and Abel birthed?

In the Garden or after they disobeyed God?

Genesis 4:1
Then Adam had intercourse with his wife, and she became pregnant.

The above answer happened outside Eden and the bible was explicit about it(by Adam having intercourse with Eve which resulted in pregnancy).

So there goes your answer.

KingTom:
Jodera una don sign Sambi Lokonga, may the EPL remember his name

Lol... Trust me, he no be padlock that will need keys and master key to unlock

You go hear him name wella

Expert17:


Nothing my brother

CR7 Vs Mickey mouse countries

MS10 Vs European giants

Omo... This wan choke wellu wellu

donstan18:
He knew Adam and Eve were going to fvck right? Yet he allowed it, set the trap and left them for them to fvck so that they’ll be punished abi? :

A lot of things were pulled out from the Bible, make your researches, when done... Trust me, you go understand better.

No dey bobo me with bible.

Adam and Eve, according to the Bible were the first to be created.

Cain and Abel were the first kids right?

Cain ran after killing Abel, got married to who?

The person he married, who created them? Where and how did they start existing?

Papi Lockup!

Cain and Abel weren't the only Children of Adam and Eve.

They had many other children (including Seth whom Jesus Christ descended from)

Since you said lemme don't bobo you with Bible, meaning that you don't believe in Bible then...
So no need discussing further cos Bible is our main reference book as Christians.
If you don't believe in it, where do you want us to get our reference from? Ababio abi Ugo C Ugo