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afrodoc2:
But you are only cementing the point that Copa has never really been highly valued.

Brazil repeatedly sent inferior teams to Copa. Pele’s time that he went to 4 World Cups he went to only 1 Copa.

As recently as the 2000s Brazil sent an inferior team that I believe was captained by Fenerbahce Alex, a man that was struggling to make the 1st choice Brazil team.

There was a time Brazil sent a team from a Brazilian state to represent them. It is like Nigeria sending a team from Taraba state to AFCON.

Well... This is another discourse entirely cos the person I'm refuting is claiming that
1... It has never been held annually
2... That it was staged every year cos of messi, thus it shouldn't be taken serious.
So I tried to dispute those two facts.

While I might not know the reasons why they did such, I'll need to dig deep and research to know why before entering your discourse , cos I'll need to know the reasons behind it, esp that of pele

TheLequte:
LooL. You’re funny. So 1917 when WW1 was ravaging the planet is your standard? A time when the whole world was depressed and people needed anything to boost morale and the economy?

Lol.. 1917 is WW1 ba?
Okayy... What about 1920-1927 were it was held annually? Was that WWII? A WHOLE 7 YEARS.

What about 1945-1947 were it was held annually again? I guess that's WW20.

Guy, I've already disproved you that that Annual ish have started years before messi was born so you can't pin it on messi that it was favored cos of him or blame them for doing something they originally started

96forever:
Who are ''you guys'' Copa is a mickeymouse cup, The uefa nations league is even better and tougher not to talk of the Euros.

For a team that has 3 countries that won the world cup that Europe participates in, you can't call their continental cup useless.

handelex:
No be only grand style, na goose style

Lol... Wetin I do you diz Saturday morning na

LostMyZeal:

Lol... Abi wetin you want make I talk na

afrodoc2:
Kroenke has found a miraculous way to be both stingy and extravagant at the same time.

Only Obara Jesus can save you guys.

handelex:

But now you have mind

Lol... Chai

See why I prefer to talk instead of writing? See as you just pick one side of my statement come twist its meaning
Wen I see am sef(the bolded), I even burst laughing

You no try for me sha

patrickmuf:
Is the AFCON useless?

Why is it that it's only now that Argentina has won that you guys are complaining? If Brazil had won, will you guys have demeaned the tournament the way you guys are doing now?

I'm sure if it was Argentina who didn't win a single game in the group stage yet qualified as best losers and went all the way to winning the trophy like Portugal did, you guys would have found a way to link it to Messi and how Argentina is favored because of him...

With or without an international trophy, Messi has cemented his place as one of the greatest if not the best that ever did it...

the bolded tire me oo.
Wen Chile won it back to back in 2015 and 2016(the only time they did the competition annually in recent times), nobody complained, instead mocked messi for losing finals and that he can't perform outside barca.

Now he's won it in grand style, we're now hearing how useless copa is.

How convenient

96forever:
Dwarf fanboys won’t let us hear word because of a tournament that consist of just group A and group B lololololololololololol which kind mumu tournament be that

Lol.. One thing with you guys is that you people will criticize messi and even the competition he participated in, in order to diminish his effort, but when he's been defended, it'll now be "we know wan let una hear word".

Really funny you

TheLequte:
That’s wrong. COPA was not being held annually. It was organized once in two years at the least. And there have been serious questions about it’s credibility since they turned it into an annual affair, not when Messi won it.

Is it until they host it twice every year- January and August- just so le midget can win it that you’ll agree it’s losing quality? And what next then? They’ll host a COPA every international break?

Give me a break.

Check this out bro
I'm sure dem never even think to born messi around 1916 and 1917, except you dey tell me say dem don dey prepare the way for am the way prophets of old and John the Baptist dey prepare way for Jesus

TheLequte:
You’re failing to acknowledge that your chances of winning the COPA increases just by the mere fact that it gets hosted almost every year.

Between now and 2016 or so, 5 different squads have won it (not country).

If the COPA were a sensible tourney like the Euros and World Cup, Messi would win it in 2036 (2016 + 5*4), all things being equal.

He’d be close to 50 by that time.

it still doesn't makes it less sensible cos nobody stops any nation from doing it annually or biannually if they want to.

Right from inception, copa having been holding it annually, sometimes biannually sometimes 4yrs(check to comfirm). We didn't hear any issue since, why is it that wen it is done during messi time, it is now a beef?

KingTom:
You see the kin people wey we get for here ba

Lol... No mind Alabi my guy ..

afrodoc2:
Na huff and puff attacker. As an attacker if you don’t give me goals or assists you are nothing but a Willian.

You people should use open eye and church mind to expose any Willian in your lives.

True that!

FirstbornWds:
Hian... The Juju no be here oo

I tell you

FirstbornWds:
Shebi na una see am say una like am say make e play for una

if you don't believe in juju or jazz... I do.

Cos this is evidence that juju/jazz worked on us. No be our clear eyes we take dey run this Willian matter

Spy360:
You know PL experience matters to reduce acclimation time. Check out Timo Werner na. How much did Chelsea pay self?

True... I agree wholeheartedly about the acclimation only if the striker is good or have potential.
It's the Reason why I'm quoting 50-55m for DCL(due to his already English acclimation) and not even agreeing 25m for Tammy Abraham

afrodoc2:
No let tournament fool you o. Braithwaite na journey man Otu Oshi.

Schillaci sef win World Cup Golden Ball.

Lol... I'm not even basing it on this past tourney sha.
Most times I watch him, I feel he's a good (not great tho) striker who is just off sync with barca system of play.

Roland17:
They have to accept it, it is the better deal when compared to what Juventus has offered but truthfully it means nothing. Sassuolo are like the academy/feeder team for Juventus. They have been in conversations about this player throughout last week. More importantly, the players wants to move to Juventus only.

We may end up with another home sick from the Serie A if we force a move. It has never worked in the past and this would be worse if you ask me. The player had clearly said he does not want to leave Italy or play for any other team outside Juventus. We are looking at another Torreira if we end up with him.

Omo... Na wa ooo.

If this is true, then it's not worth it.
Even torreira own dey vex me, esp how he was going about it.

It's just not worth it

Roland17:
They have to accept it, it is the better deal when compared to what Juventus has offered but truthfully it means nothing. Sassuolo are like the academy/feeder team for Juventus. They have been in conversations about this player throughout last week. More importantly, the players wants to move to Juventus only.

We may end up with another home sick from the Serie A if we force a move. It has never worked in the past and this would be worse if you ask me. The player had clearly said he does not want to leave Italy or play for any other team outside Juventus. We are looking at another Torreira if we end up with him.

Omo... Na wa ooo.

If this is true, then it's not worth it.
Even torreira own dey vex me, esp how he was going about it.

It's just not worth it

Spy360:
Exactly. I think he will come between 55-60m. But to be honest I think Abraham can still improve which makes him a bargain for 30m. Bros this guy has been top scorer for Chelsea for the past two seasons. Early last season he was going to golden boot o. Just that Tuchel doesn't like him. I think his morale dropped somehow. If Chelsea are hawking him, it's a good time to take a calculated risk.

There's a reason lampard was looking for another striker even with Abraham their highest goalscorer.
There's a reason he had to be pushed to the bench for Werner instead of Werner shunting out wide as he initially did.
There's a reason that the first full season under lampard, towards the end, giroud was given a look in, in order to salvage their season even tho they had the highest goalscorer with them

There's a reason tuchel couldn't even give him place on the bench after testing him for one or 2 games.

There's a reason even Chelsea fans or media weren't even perturbed wen Abraham was benched by both lampard and tuchel.

All these reasons aren't just coincidences or badluck if you ask me.

One another note...
If to say braithwaite and Jimenez young sef. This are the kind of strikers I would have said we should look out for and tempt.

But all in all, I believe good strikers are in Europe, how much more South America. Seems most scouts are just lazy or clubs don't just wanna depend on scouts again

Spy360:
I'll take Calvert-Lewin over Abraham any day. But then he isn't available. If Chelsea demands anything more than 30m then it's a risk too far. But below that is worth trying. After all we are paying 50m for Ben White.

Money makes anyone available boss.
If we drop 50-55m for DCL, dem fit budge. And if we increase his salary to 110-120k, I tell you, that deal might be good as a done deal

afrodoc2:
As a United fan I hope you guys do just that. However the better move would be to add more to that money and buy Calvert-Lewin. He is the player Tammy Abraham would like to be.

Exactly, if spy had initially said DCL, I wouldn't have mind, but not Tammy Abraham abeg

Spy360:
Ben White deal is close. All agreement made and medicals fixed.

Sassuolo has accepted Arsenal's bid for Locatelli

Wow...is this really true?

FirstbornWds:
Be like you just like thunder strike... If we near una management to discuss any other player than Saka, Tierney or ESR, I personally go assassinate Laporta and other Barcelona executives.

Those kind yeye speculative news na why I no like Barca. Any small thing, media don carry am. If not, wetin Willian day do in the same sentence as Barcelona?

Mind yourself o

So you don see how willian dey pepper person for body ba

FirstbornWds:
Ehya.... But shay you see say Willie Willie don carry belle?

Una don day do burger for Arsenal too?

lol... I hear say barca been wan buy willian like 3-4 seasons ago.

Willian done ripe oo, shey una no go come buy am wey him done cheap like kreepto?

KingAlabi:
I get am before no be property
Na the same award from the same organization but with like 60% respect lost.

E pain me when them merge with ballon that time oh, I still carry the beef

chai... Na now you don come na.
I come dey follow you my guy dey argue since

KingAlabi:
I no get too much strength to dig but make I drop this one

When they talk all these ones, dem Neva give am FIFA the best award yet to him na.

It's understandable for all these reactions esp when the news about the cancellation came out newly.

I even thought they para after him don receive the FIFA award for best player

KingAlabi:
The FIFA the best can never be compared currently with FIFA best player of the year award.
Even if na the same organization dey give out the awards.

Stop dey mention them in the same sentence

But FIFA the best is the same thing as FIFA best player award na... Ah ah

The former is the new name while the latter is the previous name it was once called

KingAlabi:
You say wetin

You no read him and Bayern president wailings.

post am make I see

CapitalCee:
Cannavaro won both Ballon dor and Fifa World Footballer of the year award in 2006. The only year Ronaldinho won it was in 2005.

oh... My bad then

KingAlabi:
Yeah, you have said it all, But FIFA the best awards will need to walk its way to the top again, fans currently no get respect for that award like ballon d'or even when it just a bunch of bias journalists deciding the winner.

Yeah... True.

But they don't need to stress to work their way up. The players and coaches already respects balon dor more than FIFA. Na just fans dey think otherwise

Make messi and Ronaldo era end, cos na because of them this balon dor levels full everywhere