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afrodoc2:
Well to play devil's advocate Pele did dominate a super league called the World Cup, winning 3 times and scoring 3 goals and 3 assists in 2 finals.

Not taking anything away from Messi's achievements, but it is what it is.

Nice... Facts tho

mostob:
Yea. .none of them. Auba or Pepe in that CF for me.

Exactly... That Auba ought to play 9. The inverted cf of a thing is now making him redundant.

But I don't see Pepe as a 9 tho..

https://www.gunnerstown.com/arsenal/2020/11/11/tactical-breakdown-why-arteta-cant-keep-using-restrictive-3-4-3-formation/.


Came across this link two days ago
Reading it, it even further strengthened my opinion of why we should do away with the 343.
We can go through it and see for ourselves

mostob:
Which Nketiah? Laca is even more suited for that match.

to me... Na anyone o.

Both are not even suited at all sef. Laca is declining massively, nketiah I believe is coming up. No one is that good for the cf spot for now.

My own be say let's switch away from 343 before I'll have any hope sef

It's Amazing how pele is called a great even tho he didn't jump from one league to another, but messi isn't a great.

And someone even called Ibrahimovic as a great sef... Like ibra

My own is that if Arteta still use that 343 against Leeds(or anyone else), we won't go far at all.

Weda we use partey, elneny or anybody, we would always struggle to create chances.

I don't just know his sudden obsession for this 343 sef

TrebleChamp:
Na injury reck de Lima career, dude would have become the undesputed GOAT. He went to 2002 World Cup after being sidelined for 2 years, yet he won the World Cup as top scorer and best player of the tournament. Something Messi have failed to do for Argentina, see as Bayern weep Messi's Barcelona 8 vs 2 cos Xavi and Iniesta no dey the team...

when you mean undisputed GOAT, does it mean they can't have like 2 GOATs?

Bunsenbun:
wtf,ALL ARGENTINES MISSED. WAHLAI THIS LIFE NO BALANCE

lol... I no dey lie.
Check am. Na dat day I pity for messi.
I wan cry for messi dat day oo

odizeey:
At least, Higuain did not miss the decisive penalty

Lol... Who told you? Higuain miss one on one for normal time still miss pk join for pk shoot outs. Why you think say I said if I'm messi, I go hate higuain for life . In fact, that pk shoot outs sef, na only messi score, all other Argentine players miss. But na messi people go still blame.

The other one messi missed wasn't decisive cos chile missed their own. Na still another Argentine player missed the decisive penalty sef

Expert17:
CR7 took them to Nations League final, another player scored and did the job....

Messi will take Argentina to Copa American final, win highest goal scorer, win best player and some fools will still troll him for not winning it......what is Aguero, Higuain, Dimaria etc doing

lol.. Na aguero own sef dey shame me pass

Expert17:
If they are bold enough they should bring Ronaldo statistics beside Messi......lets check something

Lol... To me, both are very very great players. No need dragging one over the other. Even tho I love messi more than Ronaldo, I don't like get drawn into the arguments cos both are so damn damn good.

The argument I'm just against is that "prime messi won't excel in EPL".

As in.. Messi of all players can't excel in EPL.

Even fab shine for arsenal, go la liga den come back, still shine for Chelsea again. But na messi go find am hard

The thing just dey amusing to me sha

Leyqute:
LooL. Nice.

You get sense pass randomperson

Expert17:
Ronaldo took Portugal to the final and Eder won it for them...

But some mumu Ronaldo fans want Messi to do everything, even after winning the tournament best player

Lol... na why Ronaldo dey thank eder and all him teammates wen he won the Euros.

But poor messi doesn't have that privilege cos of one Gonzalo

Expert17:
Messi can not do what Jamie Vardy did with Liecester in 2015/2016.


So Jamie Vardy Is better than Messi

Mahrez is greater than messi.
He carried lowly Leicester to the title in the greatest EPL league, and he still won nations cup against a lowly Algeria.

Mahrez>>>>messi

odizeey:
Always blaming Higuain. That guy don suffer for Messi fans hand.

Lol... Why won't I blame higuain.

Two one on ones in two different finals that would have secured the cup, yet him chop am. You think say if I be messi, higuain no go become my enemy for life

TrebleChamp:
Look beyond his drug issue and analyse his football, Messi dey learn where Diego Amando Maradona dey. Like i said earlier, make Messi win world Cup before we can compare with Maradona, Pele and Ronald de Lima...

that 2002 world class squad wey Ronaldo win ... At least na that one I watch.

Na stupid higuain(2014 WC and 2015 copa finals) and palacio(2014 WC) I still dey insult sha. Na dem cause all these yarnings

odizeey:
We would never know.

But the fact is I'm not just talking from ability standpoint. I'm talking also from the view of environmental conditions.
Well...

true... We would never know.. But then the odds are high for him.

odizeey:
Where was that one goal he would have brought out of his multitude of goals?

Why did it not come out those times? Against Chile and Germany.

I'm just trying to tell you that you don't determine your environment. Your environment determine how you'll turn out to be. The best you can do is to leave.

When I look back, as someone who once loved Ronaldo, I'll say he made the right choice.

Lol... He might not have one goal in that match, but that doesn't mean he didn't score Chile in friendly or qualifiers.

Now like I said, it's not about how important the goals scored or not, but does he score goals.

Scoring goals for trophy winning is another point entirely.

But consistently, does he score goals... I'll say yes he does

Leyqute:
Nice points. But is 30+ EPL goals the same as 30+ La Liga goals?

na why I talk 30goals for EPL...
Messi at his peak deh score 40+ for la liga ooo

odizeey:
The thing you don't get is odds. There is a reason betting companies put odds.

Was prime Messi playing alone? Was the prime Messi not in the Argentine team when Chille won them back to back?

League is different from cup games. EPL is not favourable. The odds are much.

you seem to forget Chile won them back to back in FINALS.

And all sef was pks if I'm not mistaken

odizeey:
Which one is that free scoring EPL team? My point is not about the trophy. But replicating those goals that brought the trophies in an international stage.

You feel it's about the player. And I'm not even talking about who is goat or chicken.

There are factors that bring disadvantages to EPL players and coaches like Guardiola and Mourinho have talked about them.

Well. I rest my case.

what I mean by free scoring team was e.g, your team of Ferguson days, man city team and all.

Not team like Chelsea mou or small teams.

Every great players need big teams to shine consistently.

Well... It's no p sha.
Let's disagree to agree as you opined

odizeey:
I gave him two 30+

You know this thing but you no won gree

Leyqute:
Agreed. Definitely. Kane, Salah did it, why won’t Messi?

But I think the more important, relevant question is: “will Messi score 30+ EPL goals every season”?

Of all players who have scored 30 goals in an EPL season, they suddenly seem to hit a dry spell the next season. Kane has been the only outstanding EPL scorer of recent TBH, and he doesn’t score 30 each season. Auba, Salah are just trying.

check precedents. Salah has never reached the 32 goal height before that magical season and probably won't do that again.

Messi scoring 30+ more than once is a norm for him. The way salah can't reach 32 goal a season is same way messi can't reach 91 goals a calendar year. That's like the height a certain player can attain.

But you see 30+ goals, na norm for peak messi. And I don't mean he'll score it once, but more than once.

You guys seem to forget how messi and Ronaldo raised the bar for goal scoring in a season.

kendrick9:
Messi would absolutely score 30+ plus in the Epl if he's at a team like City or present day Pool...
At the end of the day Messi and Ronaldo have been really blessed to have played in stacked teams for most of their Careers..
La Liga was basically a two team league with barca and madrid having the two best squads during Messi and Ronaldo's peak years...
Why won't they amass those stats playing when you have xavi, iniesta, Kroos, Alonso etc behind then

which good teams don't have world class midfielders in their squad. Real Madrid is called galaticos for a reason because of their ability to field world class players and midfielders.. But why didn't strikers and attackers score as much goals as messi and Ronaldo.

Xavi, iniesta and Alonso are all Spanish and world class midfielders... How many goals did Torres or villa score as the striker in the national team.

hensben:
You guys are forgetting Messi won Olympics with Argentina.

Olympics is not a major recognised Intl trophy na

odizeey:
He is Messi yet you are seeing stats that showed his failure to score when it mattered most in international tournaments.

Because I'm a pastor I know all the scripture word for word.

he might stat pad, fine.
After all, Kane 29 goals na stat padding cos he didn't win any trophy with it.

Scoring goals whether it matters most or not is another equation entirely.

The koko be say... Will messi score 30+ goals in EPL at his peak?

The answer is 99% yes.

Expert17:
The same Messi that scored 91 goals in 2012.

CR7 tried his best the following year, all he could achieve was to add his goals and assists to get 84.

Messi wicked I swear

odizeey:
You have no point and can't prove he will score above 30 season in season out.

You think it's about the player alone?

Let him go and win world cup and Copa America na.

Playing with an EPL team is different from play against EPL teams from a different league and different conditions.

Lol... This is the issue.

Kane haven't won any trophy but he's scored 20+ goals in 4 season in at least 6seasons he's been at Tottenham.

The issue is not the trophy, but will messi score 30goals in EPL?
In a free scoring EPL team, then yes.

And winning trophy is more than a player power

timay:
Well defending was the string point of those small EPL teams during the Messi peak era. So it won't be easy though.
Not like now that every tom, dick and Harry wants to play out from the back leading to errors up and down

Messi peak years coincides with the decline of strong EPL defenders. Chelsea-led defence of terry was in decline (terry, Ivanovic et al), man u led defence was in decline too(vidic, Ferdinand et al). I can't even call my team arsenal sef, neither will I call Liverpool. Man city of kompany was somehow inconsistent with only kompany the stand out in that back line. Look across the rest of the league and find out averagely if the EPL teams don't concede goals against the big teams esp against man city,(you'll find out they do).
Remember, messi peak year was from 2010,... A peak messi with a falling league in defence is sure to guarantee 30+ goals for messi.

Aguero would have done it if he wasn't injured most part, and Kane is doing it cos he rarely gets injured.

E sure for me say messi would scored that in a free-scoring team of man city post 2010

Expert17:

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Maradona greatest footballer of all time

That Cheat/junkie, no wonder he cannot stay 6 months without needing serious medical attention.

Would you like to see Maradona and Messi statistics??

Please, I would like to see abeg!!

Expert17:
Maybe we should show them Messi goals and assists against EPL big boys......and then compare it with CR7 that played in EPL for 6 seasons.

As in... He consistently scores goals. But na Sunderland, Cardiff and Everton go dey hard am to score

nitrogen:
Let’s be fair, Messi is very good, but we cannot conclude that he will score 30+ goals consistently in the EPL or any other league because he has not left Barcelona.

No one knows because he has no history in another league!

Na only injury go stop peak messi from not scoring 30 goals in EPL.


Only Injury