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Car TalkRe: Lagos Driver Stopping In The Middle Of The Road At The Slightest Touch by joedrae(op): 5:40pm On Nov 07, 2014
But they can as well park on the side of the road. Most times, they block two lanes out of the three lanes. Then leave one for other cars.
Car TalkLagos Driver Stopping In The Middle Of The Road At The Slightest Touch by joedrae(op): 5:30pm On Nov 07, 2014
Who else has noticed an increase in the way Lagos drivers stop in the middle of the road once the car behind them touches them.

The most annoying part is that they don't even care how many cars are behind them or the traffic that arise due to this singular action.

Most traffic in recent times are because of this behaviour in our drivers.

Pls air your views on what can be done to stop or reduce this...
Jobs/VacanciesRe: . by joedrae(m): 11:53am On Oct 30, 2014
Please if you know where Mathematics is being marked, kindly share. Thanks
Jobs/VacanciesRe: List Of Fake Employment Companies. Stay Off Them. by joedrae(m): 11:02am On Oct 30, 2014
BetaAge invite You for Test/Interview on Thurs 30/10/14 by 9am @ 2 Esther Oshiyemi, st, beside Ilupeju second sch. Ilupeju, Oshodi, Lagos.


How are you, I hope fine, am Odibo Isaac Ejiro ur batch C x kopa mate 2014 Lagos state, my state code is LA/13C/5*6*. Can u work with S P D C she'll OIL COMPAN in Rivers state if yes call me for info dat is where I was before service


MedPro Global Resources Invites U for aptitude test/ briefing on mon 20/10/14....

CloverHills...


All These People are SCAM!!!
NYSCRe: NYSC 2013 Batch C Corp Members House by joedrae(m): 8:46pm On Oct 12, 2014
http://www.icampusng.com/2014/10/youth-corps-member-empowers-community/

Just stumbled on that link. That's one of us here.

To God be the glory, Service year is finally over. Quite eventful!
CareerRe: What You Need To Know About Your Linkedin Account by joedrae(op): 10:00pm On Sep 18, 2014
was signed into 23 places. #CoversFace
CareerWhat You Need To Know About Your Linkedin Account by joedrae(op): 9:56pm On Sep 18, 2014
Log Out of LinkedIn NOW

I learned something new about LinkedIn today - you can see where you are logged in. I thought I would see 3 computers that I was currently logged into; my phone, laptop and iPad, but boy was I shocked when I saw I was still logged in 48 places over the last 4 months. How crazy is that?! I am walking with my head down in shame! Did I really forget to log out of all of those computers?

I teach every day in public venues and private companies, and I seem to not be logging out. Well, thanks to the #linkedinchat I participated in tonight, I have now learned how to remotely log out of all those accounts, and I would like to share those steps with you tonight:

From the Your active sessions page, you can see how many sessions you're currently signed into. https://www.linkedin.com/settings/sessions

On that page, you can also review all devices that are signed in to your LinkedIn account, when you last signed in, what browser was used, the IP address, and the city and state the login occurred.

To view your sessions:

Hover over your profile photo on the top right of your homepage and select Privacy & Settings.
You may be prompted to sign in.
Click See where you've logged in in the top section under Your active sessions.
To sign out of a session:

Click Sign out to the right of the session you'd like to end.
Click Sign out to confirm.
To sign out of every active session (except your current one):

Click Sign out of all these sessions at the top of your list.
Click Sign out to confirm.
If you are logged into sessions in places you don't recognize, consider changing your password!


https://www./article/20140917020157-22901019-log-out-of-linkedin-now
Career9 Things Interviewers Never Tell Job Candidates (but Should) by joedrae(op): 9:49pm On Sep 18, 2014
In the best job interviews the candidate says a lot and the interviewer very little – after all, the interview is about the candidate, not the interviewer.

But there are some things interviewers would love to tell job candidates well before the interview starts.

1. "I really want you to be likeable."
Obvious? Sure, but also critical. Skills and qualifications are important, but we all want to work with people we like... and who in turn like us.

So we want you to smile. We want you to make eye contact, sit forward in your chair, and be enthusiastic. (Here are other ways to be incredibly likeable.) The employer-employee relationship truly is a relationship — and that relationship starts with the interview (if not before).

A candidate who makes a great first impression and sparks a real connection instantly becomes a big fish in a very small short-list pond. You may have solid qualifications, but if we don't think we'll enjoy working with you, we’re probably not going to hire you.

Life is too short to work with people we don't like.

2. "Please don't start by telling me how much you want the job."
We do want you to want the job — but not before you really know what the job entails. We may need you to work 60-hour weeks, or travel more than half the time, or report to someone with less experience than you. So sit tight.

No matter how much research you've done, you can't truly know you want the job until you know everything possible about the job. (One good way to know you really want the job is to ask really smart questions.)

Interviewers want you to leave a lasting impression.


3. "I really want you to stand out."

A sad truth of interviewing is that later we often don't recall, unless we refer to our notes, a tremendous amount about some of the candidates. (Unfair? Sure. Reality? Absolutely.)

That means the more people we interview for a job, and the more spread out those interviews, the more likely we are to remember certain candidates by impressions rather than by a long list of facts.

So when we meet with other people to discuss and decide on the best candidate, we might initially refer to someone as, "the guy with the purple suede shoes," or "the woman who rides dressage," or "Duke grad who speaks four languages."

In short, we may remember you by "hooks" – whether flattering or unflattering – so use that fact to your advantage. While your hook could be your clothing, an outside interest, or an unusual fact about your upbringing or career, a much better hook is the project you pulled off in half the expected time or the improbably huge sale you made.

Instead of letting me choose how we’ll remember you, make sure you give us one or two notable reasons we’ll never forget you.

4. "But I don’t want you to stand out for being negative."
Again, there’s no way we will remember everything you say. But we will definitely remember negative sound bites: like the candidates who complain about their current employer, their coworkers, or their customers.

So if for example you hate being micro-managed, instead say you're eager to earn more responsibility and authority. We get there are reasons you want a new job, but we want to hear why you really want this job instead of why you just want to escape your old job.

Never forget that an interview is like a first date. We know we’re seeing the best possible version of "you."

So if you whine and complain and grumble now... we know you'll be a real treat to work with a few months from when the honeymoon is over.

5. "I really want you to ask questions that are truly important to you."
We need to know whether we should hire you, but just as importantly we need you to make sure our job is a great fit for you.

So we want you to ask the right questions: what we expect you to accomplish early on, what attributes make our top performers outstanding, what you can do to truly drive results, how you'll be evaluated — all the things that matter to you… and as a result to us.

Bottom line, you know what makes work meaningful and enjoyable to you. We don't. There's no other way to really know whether you want the job unless you ask great questions. So we want you to ask great questions.

6. "But I wish you wouldn't ask questions that have little to do with work."
We know you want a positive work-life balance. Everyone does. Still, save all your questions about vacation sign-up policies, and whether it's okay to take an extra half hour at lunch every day if you also stay a half hour late, and whether we've considered setting up an in-house childcare facility because that would be really awesome for you.

First let's find out if you're the right person for the job, and whether the tasks, responsibilities, duties, etc. are right for you.

Then we can talk about the rest.

7. "I love when you show you can hit the ground running."

We expect you to do a little research about the company. That’s a given.

To really impress us, use the research you’ve done to describe how you will hit the ground running and contribute right away — the bigger the impact the better. If you bring a specific skill, show how we can immediately leverage that skill.

Think about it from our side of the table. We have to start paying your salary the first day, so we love to see an immediate return on that investment starting the first day.

In short, we’re happy to help you develop into a superstar… but we love when you’re already a star.

8. "Now I want you to tell me you want the job — and why."
By the end of the interview you should have a good sense of whether you want the job. If you need more information, tell us so we can figure out how to get you what you need to make a decision.

If you don't need more information, do what great salespeople do: ask for the job.

One, we’ll like the fact you asked. We want you to really want the job — but we also want to know why you want the job. So tell us why: You thrive in unsupervised roles, or you love working with different teams, or you like frequent travel, or you do your best work when….

Ask us for the job and prove to us, objectively, that it's a great fit for you.

9. "I like when you follow up, especially when it's genuine."
Every interviewer appreciates a brief follow-up note. If nothing else, saying you enjoyed meeting us and are happy to answer any other questions is a polite gesture.

But "polite" may not separate you from the pack.

What we really like — and remember — is when you follow up based on something we discussed. Maybe we talked about data collection techniques so you send information about a set of tools you strongly recommend. Maybe we talked about quality so you send a process checklist you developed that we could adapt to use in our company. Or maybe we both like motorcycle racing, so you send a photo of you standing beside Valentino Rossi before a MotoGP race in Mugello (and I'm totally jealous.)

The more closely you listened during the interview, the easier it is to think of ways to follow up in a natural and unforced way.

Remember, an interview is hopefully the start of a longer relationship — and even the most professional of relationships are still based on genuine interactions.


Source: http://www.businessinsider.com/what-interviewers-should-tell-candidates-2014-9
CareerTop Ten Tips To Get Into Oil And Gas by joedrae(op): 9:34pm On Sep 18, 2014
Looking for a long-term career in an expanding and exciting sector? The oil and gas business is the place to be right now and for the future. Whether you are an engineer, welder, field or office worker; the energy industry offers tremendous opportunities across the job spectrum.

This is an exciting time for those wanting to move into oil and gas. The industry is at a crossroads. Seasoned workers are gearing up to retire. New and challenging exploration projects are coming online in order to meet the ever growing global energy demand, which is predicted to increase by 43% by 2035 according to the International Energy Agency.

These two opposing forces are creating unprecedented gaps in talent and experience, causing the industry to enjoy a recruitment boom.

1) Don’t be daunted Regardless of your current job, your academic background or previous work history, there are many types of jobs available in oil and gas. In fact, 44% of respondents in our recent report ‘Attracting and retaining women in oil and gas engineering – a survey examining the gender talent gap’, stated that they had worked in different industries such as building and construction and even law and retail, before moving into oil and gas. No matter what your background, this industry will welcome people with the necessary skills and a willingness to learn.

2) Discover your interest Working in the oil and gas industry does not just involve being out on offshore rigs. As the lifecycle of an oil and gas project moves from the conceptual design stage through to decommissioning, different skillsets are required. Talk to a career advisor if you are still in school to find out more, and take time to research roles online. You will be surprised at the wide range of jobs that are available - there is sure to be something to interest you.

3) Gain experience From a week’s work experience to an internship or apprenticeship, get a feel of what the industry is like. Most major oil and gas operators such as Shell, Chevron, BP, ExxonMobil and Total run programs designed to give people a taste of what it is like to work in the sector. Be warned however these are highly competitive, so make sure to do your research. In the UK, oil and gas skills organization, OPITO, recently launched a new structured work placement program, giving students in Aberdeen access to some of the largest oil and gas industry operators and service companies. Keep an eye out for similar initiatives in your region.

4) Study, study, study The importance of studying the STEM subjects and obtaining an engineering undergraduate degree cannot be overstated. If you did not study the STEM subjects then do not panic, schemes like the Prince’s Trust ‘Get Into’ Oil and Gas can give you the advice you need to help you transition into the industry.

5) Get a mentor Chances are that you know someone in oil and gas – talk to them about their job. Mentoring is important in all careers and an oil and gas mentor will help you navigate the industry. Groups such as the STEMettes and UK young scientists fair ‘The Big Bang’ can help show you the rewarding opportunities available in engineering, whilst in the US, groups such as the STEM Education Coalition work to raise awareness and also provide a wealth of information.

6) Do your research Find out which disciplines are in highest demand, the best companies to work for and the regions that are experiencing particular oil and gas growth. A number of new discoveries are being made in more testing environments currently, which require more advanced technology and skills, a good example being the specialist subsurface discipline. Whilst Houston, Perth and Abu Dhabi remain hotspots for exploration and production activity, new opportunities are emerging in countries such as Mexico and Mozambique.

7) Know the pros With a wealth of opportunities for global travel and no end of complex technical challenges to solve, working in oil and gas engineering will give you a chance to see the world as well as stimulating your mind. If it’s variety that you are looking for, then the oil and gas industry also delivers. Not only are there a wide range of disciplines to choose from, you will also have the flexibility of working on either temporary or permanent assignments across the globe. The earning potential and benefits attached can also be substantial. For instance, did you know that skilled contractors working on major projects in the US can often earn over $250,000 per year.

cool And the cons A good salary, the opportunity for travel and an exhilarating and challenging work life - sounds perfect! But it is important that you also recognize the potential challenges associated with a career in oil and gas. These are being away from friends and family, long hours, tight deadlines and the need for work flexibility to accommodate project demands. In order to get a foot in the door and gain the experience required to progress your career in oil and gas, you need to be willing to work your way up the ladder. In return for your hard work you could be rewarded with an exciting long-term career with one of the world’s top oil and gas operators and all of the benefits that this entails.

9) Sell yourself Brush up your CV/Resume. Ideally tailor it to a specific application, ensuring that you keep it concise and focused on the key points. Make sure you include your contact details, all relevant skills and experience, as well as your employment and education history in reverse chronological order. Once your CV/Resume is finished, start networking. Make sure you are on popular professional networks such as LinkedIn, pay attention to your profile, make connections, follow relevant industry news as well as influencers and thought leaders to help develop your market knowledge, and attend industry events to grow your circle of contacts.

10) Talk to an expert Oil and gas manpower specialists like NES Global Talent have vast experience placing people across the oil and gas industry. People are at the heart of our business and our discipline specific consultants have the industry knowledge and expertise to talk to you about the opportunities that are available to you and match you to the perfect role. We also provide a range of support solutions covering everything from payroll and fiscal compliance to insurance and emergency response services, minimizing any concerns you may have about working in the industry or in a new location.


Source: http://oilonline.com/resources/talent/top-ten-tips-get-oil-and-gas/
EducationRe: Unilag 2014/2015 Admission. by joedrae(m): 8:48pm On Aug 24, 2014
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EducationRe: Unilag 2014/2015 Admission. by joedrae(m): 8:46pm On Aug 24, 2014
My sister is yet to print her Post UTME result and i just noticed she'll have to submit it. Please someone should tell us what to do.

Thanks house
FamilyRe: Sucking On Babies' Nostrils By Mothers/wives - Hygienic Or Not? by joedrae(m): 8:05pm On Jul 16, 2014
lynpetra: What happened to the baby after that?
That was the end. The baby died, you'll see in my post that I said since then, they didn't allow the in-law to come take care of their children again.
FamilyRe: Sucking On Babies' Nostrils By Mothers/wives - Hygienic Or Not? by joedrae(m): 7:41pm On Jul 16, 2014
lynpetra: Hia!!
Suck out brain?That's unbelievable !!!
It actually happened, d child was less than a week old.
FamilyRe: Sucking On Babies' Nostrils By Mothers/wives - Hygienic Or Not? by joedrae(m): 10:40am On Jul 16, 2014
@OP, personally I think its a bad idea because I know of an aunt that her mother-in-law sucked out the brain of the child in the process of sucking the nostrils. Since then, that in-law wasn't invited to take care of her children and I tell people not to do it as well.

My two kobo.
Jobs/VacanciesApplication Engineer @ General Electric, Lagos. Nigeria by joedrae(op): 10:04am On Jul 11, 2014
About Us
GE (NYSE: GE) works on things that matter. The best people and the best technologies taking on the toughest challenges. Finding solutions in energy, health and home, transportation and finance. Building, powering, moving and curing the world. Not just imagining. Doing. GE works. For more information, visit the company's website at www.ge.com

Relocation Expenses
No

Essential Responsibilities
The Application Engineer demonstrates leadership in communicating business goals, programs, and processes for an area or business segment. In this role you will utilize experience or expertise to solve problems, develop and execute objectives for self and others, and have the ability to effect short-term and some long-term business goals.

• Apply engineering principles to assigned projects
• Create product submittals that meet the specifications and plans that exceed customer expectations without error, application logic, and meeting schedule / budget commitments
• Provide leadership and coaching to other engineers and review work at key milestones
• Effectively interface with engineers, customers and senior management
• Maintain documentation in the project file to ensure design control requirements are met

Qualifications/Requirements
· Bachelor of Science in Electrical or Computer Engineering (or a high school diploma / GED with at least 4 years of IT, engineering or electrical experience)

· At least 3 additional years of experience using engineering design automation tools to improve the efficiency and quality of the engineering design process, including assignments working with programmable logic controllers (PLCs) and the creation of application logic for the PLCs

Desired Characteristics
· Experience in applying microprocessor based controllers and developing the Boolean or ladder logic for their execution
· An understanding of digitization tools used to improve efficiency
· Additional experience in signaling design
· Strong oral and written communication skills
· Strong interpersonal and leadership skills
· PC proficiency
· Ability to apply Six Sigma tools
· Ability to establish and maintain good customer relations
· Excellent organizational skills


Apply here: https://xjobs.brassring.com/TGWEbHost/jobdetails.aspx?partnerid=54&siteid=5346&OReq=1975580&Codes=LinkedinSlot

Source:https://www.linkedin.com/jobs2/view/17359434?trk=vsrp_jobs_res_name&trkInfo=VSRPsearchId%3A468772131405022370171%2CVSRPtargetId%3A17359434%2CVSRPcmpt%3Aprimary
TravelRe: General U.s.a (student) Visa Enquiries-part5 by joedrae(m): 8:40am On Jul 03, 2014
Prof Eze: Hello House,

I am very sorry for just posting how my interview went. I give all glory to God for its success. I also thank these people who are already studying in the States: Wale in Florida and Moni in Kansas.

My Profile: GRE; 170 Quant, 150 Verbal; TOEFL iBT; 109; Assistantship; RA (with ~$2,000 more than the required fund for a year).
Congratulations bro! I actually want to know how you aced the GRE. The verbal is the one bothering me. I've been using the Barron for prep but still hoping to prepare for additional two months before writing. Thanks.

P.S: I sent a PM to you but you are yet to reply..
TravelRe: General U.s.a (student) Visa Enquiries-part5 by joedrae(m): 11:09pm On Jun 30, 2014
govman4: pls,did u used WES calculator to do d calculation 4 ursef or u fwd ur transcript to WES directly for evaluation
I used their calculator. I'm yet to forward my transcript for evaluation.
TravelRe: General U.s.a (student) Visa Enquiries-part5 by joedrae(m): 3:08pm On Jun 30, 2014
juntod: You can go for Msc. Elect Elect accepts Physics elect but you may be asked to take a few undergrad courses before you begin the graduate program proper. This actually depends on comparing your undergrad courses with what they have. So, contact as many schools as possible before applying.
Ok. Thanks. I'll start contacting schools. You didn't say anything about the cgpa.
TravelRe: General U.s.a (student) Visa Enquiries-part5 by joedrae(m): 1:52pm On Jun 30, 2014
Hi house,

I'm new here but I've been following this thread for some days now. I'm actually a graduate of Physics Electronics with cgpa of 3.29/5.00 but 3.18/4.00(using WES calculator), I'm yet to write my GRE but hope to do so in september. i want to pursue a Phd(because of funding) admission in Nanotechnology or Renewable Energy OR a Master's Degree in Renewable energy(falls under Electrical Engineering Dept) provided I'll get funding(maybe Graduate assistant or Research assistant) covering about 70% or more of my fees.

Do you think its possible to get a PhD position?

Do you think its possible to get Msc position with adequate Funding?

Do you think its possible to move successfully from Physics Electronics to Electrical Engineering field?

Hope the schools won't say since I don't have my 1st degree in Elect Elect, I won't be able to further there?

Thanks for your responses.

Waiting!
NYSCRe: NYSC 2013 Batch C Corp Members House by joedrae(m): 11:39am On Jan 02, 2014
May all our good dreams come alive. Wishin u a prosperous new yr... Cheers!

jeok: HNY everyone! this is the year we wrap up our one service year, yay! I mean, can't you just wait to get a real job?!:× cheesy well, before then, an just gonna work hard; pursue my dreams and have good fun! Hope U'r with me?!wink
NYSCRe: NYSC 2013 Batch C Corp Members House by joedrae(m): 11:36am On Jan 02, 2014
na u sure pass o my boss! w e should hook up soon...... may this year b ur best yr yet IJN. Amen


yame014: Last day of 2013...baba God noni...to all my pals on this thread I say a big thank you for making 2013 a memorable one...if I should start mentioning names i wouldn't finish before midnight...

I LOVE YOU ALL

@adary thanks for linking nairalanders together on camp...I cannot thank you, joeydrae (padi of life), nse (my man) and dorthmaen (the ultimate man) enough...you guys rock!
NYSCRe: NYSC 2013 Batch C Corp Members House by joedrae(m): 11:34am On Jan 02, 2014
i see u dear.... thanks 4 taking time out to type this. Luv u swts

J3da: It's the last day of the year 2013, no matter how tough the year may be in some areas, we still need to thank God for sparing our lives till this moment and also thank as many who made the year a beautiful one for us all...
Use this opportunity to make a shout out to as many who made 2013 a wonderful year for you, those who stood in time of trials and those who 2013 wouldn't have been complete and fulfilled if they weren't there for you...
Mention that person(s) who's worth a standing ovation for being part of your 2013 and if possible,tag the person for him/her to see it and feel appreciated...
For me Opeyemmi, for welcoming me when i first joined this tread, Legend, Yame (my paddy in camp), Jerry (For taking care of me in camp), Timothy for being a friend and brother before and after camp, Dimmples, Misindependence, haykayisokay, Stanzo my war lordgrin Emmanuel my surest paddy, Frazegidi my bbm trouble maker cheesy , Dorthman my volleyball rival, J-slimz my phc paddy, Toyde, Lewiz, Young billionnaire, Sotena, Saintlione, Tari, Yokiti my Crush grin... and many more, if your name isn't here it doesn't matter you are also remembered... tongue grin smiley You are all invited to have dinner with me Tomorrow tongue
Dating And Meet-up ZoneRe: Bbm Pin Exchange by joedrae(m):
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NYSCRe: NYSC 2013/2014 Batch C, Where Is Your PPA! by joedrae(m): 6:09pm On Nov 30, 2013
My ppa is Kings College, Lagos. D information we heard b4 goin to camp actually raised my hopes but I'll still make a difference in my litrtle way.
NYSCRe: NYSC BATCH 13C Posted To Lagos State(the Center Of Excellence) by joedrae(m): 12:45pm On Nov 01, 2013
cinammon: Yup yup..#TeamLagos, 4rm kaduna all the way. Anywayz I schooled in ogun state so the fun continues..#teamipajacamp..yupyup
You are welcome. U can PM me ur contact details. Let's mingle
NYSCRe: NYSC 2013 Batch C Corp Members House by joedrae(m): 11:49pm On Oct 31, 2013
yame014: #######TEAM EKO ONiBAJe o#######

@dorthmaen, joedrae n all d lagos bound peeps let's mingle o....
Welcome 2 d club man. we'll definitely mingle. PM me ur contact
NYSCRe: NYSC BATCH 13C Posted To Lagos State(the Center Of Excellence) by joedrae(m): 8:46pm On Oct 31, 2013
dorthmaen: .
Congrats bro.You'll come back to meet us in Lag then;mine is d Ipaja camp.
We are 2geda. U can mail me on joedrae08@gmail.com so dat we can discuss
NYSCRe: NYSC 2013 Batch C Corp Members House by joedrae(m): 7:34pm On Oct 31, 2013
[quote author=jeok][/quote]Send a mail to joedrae08@gmail.com and we'll continue from there.
NYSCRe: NYSC 2013 Batch C Corp Members House by joedrae(m): 6:07pm On Oct 31, 2013
@all, wishing u journey mercies as u embark on d journey to ur orientatn camps.

@Joek, where u dey?? Feed me wit the gudnews... Can't wait!

@adary, na Ipaja sure pass o

#teamLagos
NYSCRe: NYSC 2013 Batch C Corp Members House by joedrae(m): 1:17pm On Oct 31, 2013
mcdonald123: Is agege ipaja different from iyana ipaja??.....hw many camps ar dyy even sharing us 2 sef....was posted 2 lag, bur camping in oyo....
They r the same
NYSCRe: NYSC 2013 Batch C Corp Members House by joedrae(m): 1:05pm On Oct 31, 2013
dorthmaen: Abeokuta based
ok. Kul. We'll talk better wit tym
NYSCRe: NYSC 2013 Batch C Corp Members House by joedrae(m): 12:56pm On Oct 31, 2013
dorthmaen: Posted to Lagos nd to serve in Agege Ipaja Lagos.
We are 2geda. R u lag basedhuh

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