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Referees will ruin this game with all the foul calls. 21 at 8.43 in the 2nd

Gasol took a charge! Good sign

A lot of nlers seem to equate homosexuality to two guys tearing their a-hole. It also includes lesbians and I know lots of guys won't have a problem with two girls getting it on. #BloodyDoubleStandard

4 Play:
There are walls demarcating Israel from Gaza, which Israel is fully entitled to build. Claiming that Israel built a wall ''around'' Gaza is a pathetic lie.

Humanitarian crises my foot, if that is a humanitarian crises, what would you call most of Africa?

I will not join words with you as I take it you are not familiar with the situations in Gaza if you can utter statements like 'Humanitarian Crises my foot'. I would encourage you to do the necessary research.

The problem with most of Africa is bad leadership and corruption, not down to an agressive neighbour. But that aside, does the fact that Africans are poor mean help shouldn't be given to people who have been blockade for 3 years. I have friends stuck in Gaza that took them 6 months to get out. So if you want to have an educated debate I'm happy to but do the research 1st.

ElRazur:
This is where we see things different am afraid.

Let me make a few things clear. No where in my post is any form of justification. I cannot be clear enough on that.

Secondly, if you say there is no background issue, but then make a point in the same breathe about of of the background issues leading to the over all problem, then it shows you are missing the point, and only want to push across your view without being objective or non-biased.

Go back to my post, I have stated the view in which a Palestine see the issue and how an Israeli probably seen the issue too. Yet, you seem hell bent on just seeing one side.

Here is a quote of what I said previously
I also stated that both sides have a valid point, but they are not doing enough to change my view that one need out-weighs the other. Hence why I stated that background issues must be sorted.

Until the issue of Gaza, land control/ownership is sorted and other complications, it will forever be a springboard for incident like this.

That is not taking sides or welcoming the death or "unarmed" civilians, but being objective, non-bias. That is my point, that you so far have refused to recognise.

@ElRazur

I appreciate that you are trying to reason from both sides which I think most people don't do enough of but Isreal in itself is not serious about having a two state solution; if it was, it would have stopped its settlement expansion a  long time ago and wouldn't be denying that there is a humanitarian crisis in Gaza. Speaking to their deputy ambassodor in UK (Talya Lador-Fresher) she consistently denied there being a humanitarian crisis in Gaza even though there's well documented evidence showing citizens who can't access hospitals, children having to go through 4-5 checkpoints everyday just to go to school turing a 20 minute journey into 3 hours, not having enough food supplies.

Israel gave most of Gaza back but built walls around it. If I gave back part of the land I took from you but built a high fence around it and employ military men to surround it, it's nothing more than a prison even though you do have 90% of the land back.

Yes, Palestinian leaders have made mistakes but Isreals responses have always been disproportionate, how else do you explain launching a full sclae attack killing 1000 palestinians becuase two isreali soldiers were killed. The supposed 'terrorism' of Hamas isn't justification for killing innocent lives which is the problem I have with the Hamas vs Isreali arguement. Palestinians bear the grunt far disproportionately.  This boat contained innocent volunteers including two nobel peace price winners and a friend, saying 'Hamas are terrosrists' in no way justifies the isreali actions.

Also if you are in the UK

1. EMAIL THE FOREIGN OFFICE NOW

Send the template letter below to private.office@fco.gov.uk
AINAGCorrespondence@fco.gov.uk
haguew@parliament.uk

2. EMAIL NICK CLEGG

Send the template letter, addressed to Nick Clegg, to
cleggn@parliament.uk
libdemleader@parliament.uk
cleggn@hotmail.co.uk
leader@libdems.org.uk

Dear Mr Hague

An international flotilla of ships is, at this moment, attempting to deliver essential humanitarian aid to Gaza. The aid includes construction materials which would enable the people of Gaza to rebuild the homes destroyed by Israel in Operation Cast Lead last year.

There are nearly 700 people on board the boats, all of whom are ordinary civilians from around the world, including 40 British citizens. They have undertaken this mission out of concern for the people of Gaza, who are now entering their fourth year under siege, without access to basic necessities. They pose no threat to Israel, and are completely unarmed.

Despite this, the Israeli navy is attempting to block the flotilla from reaching Gaza. Israeli warships surrounded the boats on Sunday (30th May) night, while drones and a helicopter have been flying overhead. This hostile action has taken place in international waters.

I urge you to act swiftly to protect the flotilla, which is breaking no international laws, and, in particular, the British citizens on board, and to ensure that Israel allows this vital aid to reach its destination.

Israel’s occupation of Gaza is illegal under international law, and it has been accused in a UN report of committing war crimes in Gaza.

Your obligation must be towards a group of citizens peacefully attempting to deliver humanitarian aid, than to a country which repeatedly violates international treaties and resolutions. Those on board the boats face a serious threat - I call on you to end the UK government’s silence over Israel’s aggressive actions against the flotilla, and intervene now to demand its safe passage to Gaza.

Yours Sincerely,

(Your Name and/or Organisation)

Ikomi:
Look there are two things I want to make you understand:

1. There is no background issue that justifies killing of innocent citizens on international waters.

2. Isreal imposed an illegal blockade on Gaza, and truly has no right to tell any harmless individual how to get to Gaza. That is the point this convoy is trying to make and somehow they have succeded.

If you agree with those two points, then truly as you said we have no argument here.

Exactly.

As someone who knows a British National on the convoy and managed to get a few books sent along, I totally condemn this attack on the humanitarian aid convoy. This is a serious infringement on international law and Israel with all its military prowess should know how to handle a rowdy crowd without firing. There should be an immediate international enquiry and Israel should be brought to book by implementing the Goldstone report.

For those talking about Israel giving Gaza back, yes Israel did give most of Gaza back but built walls around it. In a prison most of the land is for the prisoners but we know who still control it. If Israel was serious about a two state solution it would have stopped its settlement expansion and wouldn't be denying that there is a humanitarian crisis as Talya Lador-Fresher consistently does.

Solidarity with our Palestinian brothers.

And I love how Isreal is spinning this as an "armada of hate and violence in support of Hamas" when in reality they were hundreds of innocent volunteers wanting to help ease the pain of palestinians.

As someone who has lots of palestinaian friends, knows a British National on the convoy and managed to get a few books sent along, I totally condemn this attack on the humanitarian aid convoy. This is a serious infringement on international law and Israel with all its military prowess should know how to handle a rowdy crowd without firing. There should be an immediate international enquiry and Israel should be brought to book by implementing the Goldstone report.

For those talking about Israel giving Gaza back, yes Israel did give most of Gaza back but built walls around it. In a prison most of the land is for the prisoners but we know who still control it. If Israel was serious about a two state solution it would have stopped its settlement expansion and wouldn't be denying that there is a humanitarian crisis as Talya Lador-Fresher consistently does.

Solidarity with our Palestinian brothers.

And I love how Isreal is spinning this as an "armada of hate and violence in support of Hamas" when in reality they were hundreds of innocent volunteers wanting to help ease the pain of palestinians.

If you are in the UK

1. EMAIL THE FOREIGN OFFICE NOW

Send the template letter below to private.office@fco.gov.uk
AINAGCorrespondence@fco.gov.uk
haguew@parliament.uk

2. EMAIL NICK CLEGG

Send the template letter, addressed to Nick Clegg, to
cleggn@parliament.uk
libdemleader@parliament.uk
cleggn@hotmail.co.uk
leader@libdems.org.uk

Dear Mr Hague

An international flotilla of ships is, at this moment, attempting to deliver essential humanitarian aid to Gaza. The aid includes construction materials which would enable the people of Gaza to rebuild the homes destroyed by Israel in Operation Cast Lead last year.

There are nearly 700 people on board the boats, all of whom are ordinary civilians from around the world, including 40 British citizens. They have undertaken this mission out of concern for the people of Gaza, who are now entering their fourth year under siege, without access to basic necessities. They pose no threat to Israel, and are completely unarmed.

Despite this, the Israeli navy is attempting to block the flotilla from reaching Gaza. Israeli warships surrounded the boats on Sunday (30th May) night, while drones and a helicopter have been flying overhead. This hostile action has taken place in international waters.

I urge you to act swiftly to protect the flotilla, which is breaking no international laws, and, in particular, the British citizens on board, and to ensure that Israel allows this vital aid to reach its destination.

Israel’s occupation of Gaza is illegal under international law, and it has been accused in a UN report of committing war crimes in Gaza.

Your obligation must be towards a group of citizens peacefully attempting to deliver humanitarian aid, than to a country which repeatedly violates international treaties and resolutions. Those on board the boats face a serious threat - I call on you to end the UK government’s silence over Israel’s aggressive actions against the flotilla, and intervene now to demand its safe passage to Gaza.

Yours Sincerely,

(Your Name and/or Organisation)

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We're about to wrap this up. But damn, Pheonix fans are loud, wish we get that from LA. All they do is sit there and look pretty, well apart from Jack

Travelista:
So, you're just going to read the first part of that sentence and then pass judgment?

No, I read the full sentence but only highlighted where I had a problem with and no I wasn't passing judgement, just highlighting the logic in your statement.

Cultures evolve over time and I said nothing about love but somehow you think having respect is synonymous with love.

You never said anything about respect either, 'don't like' and 'love' are actually more of antonyms than 'don't like' and 'respect' if you had used the word respect, I wouldn't have come at you.  Here's your statement again:

I still listen to his music but he needs to step to the left. Don't like Nigerian culture? Keep the one you were raised with and live your life. I can't stand when people don't like a culture that has existed before they came into existence (and will continue after they're gone) because it doesn't cater to what they want.

Moving on,

I was referring to the issues that Kele has with Nigerian culture and not customs and norms from around the globe;

Again, you said

I can't stand when people don't like a culture that has existed before they came into existence because it doesn't cater to what they want

The wording implied you had a problem with people not liking a culture that has existed before them becuase it doesn't cater to them not specifically Nigerian culture.

don't come at me regarding logic when your view point is black and white.

On the contrary I was pointing out the black and white nature of your view point which was against people having issues with customs on the logic that 'it had existed before them'. I'm happy you agree cultures eveolve, they don't evolve on their own, they do so with criticism and people moving them in a differenct direction.

As for Yerima, he's a dog

Agreed.

most that have been following the situation are aware that what he is engaging in is a bastardization of Islam and NOT their culture.

I wouldn't be too quick to explain it simply as 'bastardization of Islam'. It was reported that the leader of the women's group campaigning for him was a christain woman.

As for Kele and his talk about how he can't get with Nigerian culture because of their stance on homosexuality, women's rights and elders always being right; dude, whatever. He's worried about the plight of women but not that of children? Or corruption? Or the fact that tribalism is still a hindrance to permanent unity? What he really means is that he can't hang with Naija culture and elders always being right because they come down like a ton of bricks on him because he's gay; he just threw women in there for good measure. Now, he can't enjoy Nigerian folks, food or music because of those 3 issues?! He needs to book an appointment with a psychiatrist ASAP.

Again you're drawing up a conjecture on what you think he means. I haven't seen where he said he dislikes Nigerian culture, all he's said is he finds it difficult to relate to certain aspects of the culture. Infact he goes on to say

Nigeria is part of my heritage. I'd like to explore it. I love African music. I love African food. I love African people when I meet them. But these things are very complicated for me personally."

If I was a non-straight, non-gender specific person who grew up with a single mother, I would probably find it difficult to relate to some aspects as well and those would likely be the most important bits to me as they affect me personally rather than 'tribalism and unity of nation'.

Is there a point to all of this Yes; It's that you can criticise aspects of a culture without throwing it all under the bus. Having a problem with the way women are treated doesn't equate to tramping all over the culture or disrepecting it.

Travelista:
I still listen to his music but he needs to step to the left. Don't like Nigerian culture? Keep the one you were raised with and live your life. I can't stand when people don't like a culture that has existed before they came into existence (and will continue after they're gone) because it doesn't cater to what they want.

By your logic we should love every culture in the world just because it existed before we came into existence and will continue after we're gone. I take it you don't have a problem with a senator marrying a 13 yr old then.

RIP Bro, thanks for the laughs

Can't believe Kobe wasn't credited for that pass to ron-ron Even when he misses, it's still clutch. 33/7.4/9, that's what you call a stat line

Never understood why girls partake in beauty contests and allow themselves to be objectified. Thought we've stopped living in a patriarchal society. There's no reason why we should still be having beauty pageants in today's world.

People do have a comprehension problem, can someone clearly outline and not throw up conjectures how he disses Sanusi or briefed against him. If anything he endorsed the reforms, said they were necessary and that Sanusi has dealt with the majority of the issues wrong with the problem banks.

The idea that his suggestion that we need to find a balance and talk about the good banks can be interpreted as a no-confidence on Sanusi is at best laughable. I can't remember reading or hearing Sanusi say Nigerian banks are bad, it's always been about the odd 5-7 banks, when the reform started it was well publicised that a number of banks had already passed and were financially strong.

He's not saying anything Sanusi hasn't said.

An African statesman who shares a political platform with Kofi Annan, Tony Blair and Bob Geldof has condemned homosexuality as an "abomination", dismissing individuals' right to privacy with the riposte: "You want to make love to a horse?"

Olusegun Obasanjo, a former president of Nigeria, indicated his support for the sentencing last week of a gay couple in Malawi to 14 years in prison with hard labour, insisting that countries have the right to enforce their own laws.

The remarks, coming at a time of huge sensitivity around gay rights in Africa, have the potential to embarrass Obasanjo's colleagues on the Africa Progress Panel, a respected body that monitors development across the continent. Chaired by Annan, its members include Blair, Geldof, economist Muhammad Yunus and Graca Machel, the women's and children's rights activist and wife of Nelson Mandela.

Annan, the former UN secretary-general, and Obasanjo, a UN special envoy, appeared united on stage yesterday at the launch of the panel's latest report in Johannesburg.

But whereas Annan described last week's imprisonment of Malawians Tiwonge Chimbalanga and Steven Monjeza as "very regressive", Obasanjo, a devout Christian, offered a very different view in an interview with the Guardian.

"I believe that God who created man, male and female, is a wise God, is to me a God who doesn't make a mistake," he said. "If he wants sexual relationship between man and man, and between woman and woman, God will not have created them male and female. For me it is an abomination in my part of the world and if anybody practices it then he must be unbiblical, and anything that is unbiblical for me as a Christian is not right."

He continued: "If a country makes it a law then he should be punished according to the law of that country. If a law in my country says we shouldn't shake in public, that of course would be ridiculous, but let's say that is what the law says, until you can get that law repealed, you must not shake in public. If you say you will defy that law and you shake in public, and the law says if you shake in public you go to prison for three months, then you have to go for prison for three months."

Obasanjo, whose human rights record was questioned during his two separate spells as president of Nigeria, denied that consenting adults have a right to privacy in their own homes. "What is the privacy of your home? Why don't you take an animal and say look, the privacy of your home, you want to make love to a horse? Bestiality. You say that is right? No.

"If the privacy of your home means a socially condemnable act, then you have no privacy. You have done what you should not do and if the law says you should be punished for it, whether you do it in public or the privacy of your home, you have breached the law and you must be punished, according to the law."

Immediately after the interview, Obasanjo could be seen discussing the difference of opinion with Annan. Later, on his way out, Annan smiled and told the Guardian: "I'll work on him."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/may/25/gay-rights-africa-malawi

LSE SU are already making plans not to invite him on campus ever again due to this. Is OBJ been regressive or is his stance right? and what's the general feeling in Nigeria about GAY rights

Krayola:
Chei!! Cleveland is really desperate to keep Lebron. I never see this kind campaign to keep player before. 

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Was just about to post that. Makes you wonder how screwed up Ohio is if a Governor that's up for re-election is spending hours engaging in such pathetic foolery.

I bet women offering their daughters would be next

Sick tune

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I login way more on facebook than nairaland, but average time spent per login is way more on nairaland.

As far as comparisons go, it's like comparing apples and oranges. I use social networking sites like facebook and twitter to share content I find interesting without necessarily wanting a discussion on them, to keep in touch with my network of friends, family and associates, run campaigns, promote events, raise awareness of whatever I'm up to. I also use them as a big part of my personal branding.  

I use forums like nairaland purely to get information about happenings and trends, in this case Nigeria, while occasionally contributing.

kadman:
Joey, you mean 305. Edit you post before you give ol' man heart attack

Yes brother! Edited. Don't kill yourself o, focus on your studies. If torys win, boys are hatching plans to cross over to Obama-land.


LABOUR HOLD WASHINGTON & SUNDERLAND WEST. 2-0 labour

Follow the elections: BBC/Guardian - http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/may/06/uk-election-results-2010-live
Channel 4: http://www.channel4.com/

Markets react:

Sterling fall as much as 0.8 percent versus the dollar as exit polls point to hung parliament. Also falling 0.5 percent to the euro.

Can't wait for the bond markets to open at 1 am.

Harriet Harman and Peter Mandelson suggest Brown will not budge and will try to hang on to power.

Exit Poll revised:

Con drop two to 305. Labour stay on 255. Lib Dem up to 61.

kadman:
Ha Ha,  lucky you. I'm stuck working on an assignment with Nigerians and a Turkish girl, all scared of being kicked out of the country if Tories enter  

Hehe, jokes. Who does the house feel has the best immigration policy. Can the Tories 'artificial cap' work? is lib dems regional migration plausible?

Labour just won the Houghton Sunderland seat. 1st to be declared

Avenir:
I won't trust an exit poll. I'll rather wait for the actual results!  

True moreover it was wrong in predicting lib dem seats in 2005.

Anyone having an election party? Here with mates, lots of booze, food and election banter.

Exit Polls.

Con 307. Lab 255. LD 59.

Unbelievable, lib dem lose 3 seats. What happened to Clegg-mania

Cameron with the support of the Ulster Unionist can actually form a workable minority government. I think the polls underestimate lib dem seats, can't believe they would drop from 2005 figures.

ElRazur:
Hung Fffffucking parliament? 


Well according to exit poll.

That was expected! Cameron with the support of the Ulster Unionist can actually form a workable minority government. I think the polls underestimate lib dem seats, can't believe they would drop from 2005 figures.

Kobojunkie:
Wonderful . . . the typical response . . . responding without actually responding, or even answering any of the questions asked . . . weeeeeeee !!!

Respect people's positions? You mean telling us THE MAN was humble and honest is same as respecting THE POSITION? You mean respecting THE POSITION ONLY WHEN the one who holds the office DIES, right? lol

Look up the words cowards or cowardice in the dictionary, that might give you a clue as to how the sudden switch in tones, when it comes to evaluating the very same, even when all factors have gone unchanged for so so long( only that now death is involved) could be considered cowardly.

ROFLMAO!!!

So, the many who have lost limbs and lives as a result of his instituting Sharia up in his home state ought to be swelling with lovely feelings that he declared his assets?

The thousands who were deprived decent education, healthcare, and access to a better life during his 8 solid years as governor of that state ought to be singing praises that he was, according to you, a humble honest man, huh? We are speaking of thousands who were forced to deal with third world level healthcare while their ailing governor, made sure he had access to outside doctors and vacation periods during which he made sure he had great doctors taking care of him.

The thousands across Nigeria who have had live under the same conditions for the last 3 years ought to sing songs of praises to yar adua,right? Those who have died like flies in that time ought to rejoice that each year since taking office in 2007, Yar adua has made sure that healthcare for self was well taken care of?

The millions across all of Nigeria( and the thousands who have died in the last three years from lack of access to quality healthcare), suffering from sicknesses as deadly as his, or even worse, ought to be happy then that they paid for this man to fly ought to europe and saudi arabia to get himself the very best care money could buy then?

WOW . . we ought to have a national holiday then to celebrate this man's life. He declared his assets, ring the bells. . . we had a 'messiah' in yar adua!!!

And you provided facts and answers I wonder why I bother to talk logically with some people.

Please go ahead, everyone who has said anything good about him are simpletons and cowards even though that's been their position all along. I'm sorry we don't all have the Kobojunkie brain power, if we don't all come to the same conclusions as you we are all dumb and foolish. Hope this has done great things to your life.

udezue:
And how will your lovely praises of him benefit anyone?

If you want to criticise his administration, by all means do but do not throw everyone who chose to do otherwise under the bus by calling them cowards or that they've gone from 0 to 180 degrees. People have different opinions and yes sometimes they differ from yours, respect that and don't call into question their intelligence.