An African statesman who shares a political platform with Kofi Annan, Tony Blair and Bob Geldof has condemned homosexuality as an "abomination", dismissing individuals' right to privacy with the riposte: "You want to make love to a horse?"

Olusegun Obasanjo, a former president of Nigeria, indicated his support for the sentencing last week of a gay couple in Malawi to 14 years in prison with hard labour, insisting that countries have the right to enforce their own laws.

The remarks, coming at a time of huge sensitivity around gay rights in Africa, have the potential to embarrass Obasanjo's colleagues on the Africa Progress Panel, a respected body that monitors development across the continent. Chaired by Annan, its members include Blair, Geldof, economist Muhammad Yunus and Graca Machel, the women's and children's rights activist and wife of Nelson Mandela.

Annan, the former UN secretary-general, and Obasanjo, a UN special envoy, appeared united on stage yesterday at the launch of the panel's latest report in Johannesburg.

But whereas Annan described last week's imprisonment of Malawians Tiwonge Chimbalanga and Steven Monjeza as "very regressive", Obasanjo, a devout Christian, offered a very different view in an interview with the Guardian.

"I believe that God who created man, male and female, is a wise God, is to me a God who doesn't make a mistake," he said. "If he wants sexual relationship between man and man, and between woman and woman, God will not have created them male and female. For me it is an abomination in my part of the world and if anybody practices it then he must be unbiblical, and anything that is unbiblical for me as a Christian is not right."

He continued: "If a country makes it a law then he should be punished according to the law of that country. If a law in my country says we shouldn't shake in public, that of course would be ridiculous, but let's say that is what the law says, until you can get that law repealed, you must not shake in public. If you say you will defy that law and you shake in public, and the law says if you shake in public you go to prison for three months, then you have to go for prison for three months."

Obasanjo, whose human rights record was questioned during his two separate spells as president of Nigeria, denied that consenting adults have a right to privacy in their own homes. "What is the privacy of your home? Why don't you take an animal and say look, the privacy of your home, you want to make love to a horse? Bestiality. You say that is right? No.

"If the privacy of your home means a socially condemnable act, then you have no privacy. You have done what you should not do and if the law says you should be punished for it, whether you do it in public or the privacy of your home, you have breached the law and you must be punished, according to the law."

Immediately after the interview, Obasanjo could be seen discussing the difference of opinion with Annan. Later, on his way out, Annan smiled and told the Guardian: "I'll work on him."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/may/25/gay-rights-africa-malawi

LSE SU are already making plans not to invite him on campus ever again due to this. Is OBJ been regressive or is his stance right? and what's the general feeling in Nigeria about GAY rights

This is the first time I can agree with OBJ on anything.

It is a sin and an abomination! This is Western culture coming to Africa. Disgusting!

joeycrack:

LSE SU are already making plans not to invite him on campus ever again due to this. Is OBJ been regressive or is his stance right? and what's the general feeling in Nigeria about GAY rights

You sound gay. OBJ is not, you should get a life. He was logical in all his statements too.

Homosexuality is a western thing not african.

Why will the west always expect everybody to behave like them.

EzeUche:

This is the first time I can agree with OBJ on anything.

It is a sin and an abomination! This is Western culture coming to Africa. Disgusting!

Your RIGHT!, keep westernised flaws out of Nigeria. Its not needed. Its bad enough that these ghanian actors and acresses are doing CRAZY things in nigerian movies. Simply ruining something that was good.

i support OBJ on this one

Western ffing brainwashing ediots!

joeycrack:

An African statesman who shares a political platform with Kofi Annan, Tony Blair and Bob Geldof

joeycrack:

The remarks, coming at a time of huge sensitivity around gay rights in Africa,

joeycrack:

have the potential to embarrass Obasanjo's colleagues on the Africa Progress Panel,

joeycrack:

Annan, the former UN secretary-general, and Obasanjo, a UN special envoy, appeared united on stage yesterday at the launch of the panel's latest report in Johannesburg.

joeycrack:

Obasanjo, whose human rights record was questioned during his two separate spells as president of Nigeria,

Gay-promoting terrorist journalist. They will biasely harrass any opinion oppose to gays but celebrate any promoting it.

yay!

no comments on adultery, incest (with your son's wife - essentially your daughter ) or polygamy(some christians claim its unchristian) ?

see as log full obj eye  



all these poster blathering about western culture probably have no problem with 'western' abominations like fornication,  not so?

oyb:

yay!

no comments on adultery, incest (with your son's wife - essentially your daughter ) or polygamy(some christians claim its unchristian) ?

see as log full obj eye  



all these poster blathering about western culture probably have no problem with 'western' abominations like fornication,  not so?

You forgot embezzling public funds. at least the use of juju to win elections is very african 

oyb:

all these poster blathering about western culture probably have no problem with 'western' abominations like fornication,  not so?

We no dey fornicate before oyinbo come? Dey there.

oyb:

yay!

no comments on adultery, incest (with your son's wife - essentially your daughter ) or polygamy(some christians claim its unchristian) ?

see as log full obj eye



all these poster blathering about western culture probably have no problem with 'western' abominations like fornication, not so?

lmao

maybe some sins are greater than others

oyb:

yay!

no comments on adultery, incest (with your son's wife - essentially your daughter ) or polygamy(some christians claim its unchristian) ?

see as log full obj eye  



all these poster blathering about western culture probably have no problem with 'western' abominations like fornication,  not so?

Olboy, leave that side. When normal people sin, they do know it deep in their hearts that they are sinning but they are not expecting society to accept it. In other words, if you sleep with another man's wife or your son's wife, you don't out yourself and expect everyone to accept it. Why can't gay people just be like everyone else and do their dirty deeds in the dark? Society should not have to accept homosexuality just as it shouldn't have to accept bigamy, adultery, sex in public places, paedophilia etc.

There are different ages for consent for homosexual sex in Europe ranging from 12 - 18. If the Europeans lower it to 8, should we in Africa accept it?

Sagamite:

We no dey fornicate before oyinbo come? Dey there.

Point of correction, na oyinbo call am fonication. The time of our fathers (the good old days), before the white man came, we would just give some tubers of yam and pepper to the father (point and select style) of the woman and bingo, bobs your uncle.

Katsumoto:

Point of correction, na oyinbo call am fonication. The time of our fathers (the good old days), before the white man came, we would just give some tubers of yam and pepper to the father (point and select style) of the woman and bingo, bobs your uncle.

Me, as a liberal, my position on homosexuality is:

They are free to do any sick thing they want to as long as:

a) It does not promote their sick acts (no favourable legislations, no propagandish reporting by stewpid media)

b) It does not try to make it mainstream (that is not on TV, not in public, not teaching my kids in school to accept)

c) It does not come close to me arse or any show interest in me!

If what they are doing in that sick companionship does not fail these 3 tests, I am liberal. Otherwise clamp down on them.

Let us be said as well that sleeping with your son's wife is a terrible sin

Katsumoto:

Point of correction, na oyinbo call am fonication. The time of our fathers (the good old days), before the white man came, we would just give some tubers of yam and pepper to the father (point and select style) of the woman and bingo, bobs your uncle.   

^^^ hahahaha   ori yen so, (you got a point)  

@OP

Obj was right. It is un-African and we should keep it it out of Africa. Beside since the laws and culture of African land are still against it, the guilty should be rightly punished until the law is discarded of.

To think the West keep telling us polygamy is barbaric while they support/promote homosexuality, which is worse, homosexuality or polygamy? I prefer the west keep their homosexuality while Africa keep their polygamy

Sagamite:

Me, as a liberal, my position on homosexuality is:

They are free to do any sick thing they want to as longs:

a) It does not promote their sick acts (no favourable legislations, no propagandish reporting by stewpid media)

b) It does not try to make it mainstream (that is not on TV, not in public, not teaching my kids in school to accept)

c) It does not come close to me arse or any show interest in me!

If what they are doing in that sick companionship does not fail these 3 tests, I am liberal. Otherwise clamp down on them.

My friend, you are conservative like me. Nothing liberal in the above.  

The problem I have with male homosexuality (how I can I have a problem with two chicks getting down   ) is that it helped the spread of AIDS and now, the western media portray AIDS as an African problem without linking it to gays.

Katsumoto:

My friend, you are conservative like me. Nothing liberal in the above.  

The problem I have with male homosexuality (how I can I have a problem with two chicks getting down   ) is that it helped the spread of AIDS and now, the western media portray AIDS as an African problem without linking it to gays.

Nah, I am a liberal with a filter.

I am open to new ideas as long as it has superior merit.

Conservative is when one want to stick to old ways without wish to hear something new.

Ediot is when one accepts anything without carefully assessing merit. No filter.

OAM4J:

^^^ hahahaha   ori yen so, (you got a point)  

@OP

Obj was right. It is un-African and we should keep it it out of Africa. Beside since the laws and culture of African land are still against it, the guilty should be rightly punished until the law is discarded of.

To think the West keep telling us polygamy is barbaric while they support/promote homosexuality, which is worse, homosexuality or polygamy? I prefer the west keep their homosexuality while Africa keep their polygamy

GBAM
3 gulders on me anytime for that. Besides a form of polygamy (keep one wife at a time but have several in your lifetime) is practiced in the west. Larry King almost got divorced from his 7th wife cos he was allegedly hitting the coochie her younger sister.

OAM4J:

To think the West keep telling us polygamy is barbaric while they support/promote homosexuality, which is worse, homosexuality or polygamy? I prefer the west keep their homosexuality while Africa keep their polygamy

GBAM GBOSA GBAM

And they will convince some morons to support homosexuality under the stupid platitude of "two consent adults".

So is polygamy not "two consent adults". Anuofia logic!

Sagamite:

Nah, I am a liberal with a filter.

I am open to new ideas as long as it has superior merit.

Conservative is when one want to stick to old ways without wish to hear something new.

Ediot is when one accepts anything without carefully assessing merit. No filter.

Ok, let me re-phrase
I am conservative with regards to education, crime, homosexuality (not against it), respect, tradition, African values, etc
but open to new ideas with regards to strippers, poledancing, gentlemen's clubs, two coochies and a stiff object, etc  

but open to new ideas with regards to strippers, poledancing, gentlemen's clubs, two coochies and a stiff object, etc Grin

bros na western ideas be all of the above o


tho i guess we ould call all that topless traditional dancing a stripping forerunner

This is the first time I can agree with OBJ on anything.

May be you should ask Mr Obasanjo what about sleeping with his Son's Wife.

Katsumoto:

Ok, let me re-phrase
I am conservative with regards to education, crime, homosexuality (not against it), respect, tradition, African values, etc
but open to new ideas with regards to strippers, poledancing, gentlemen's clubs, two coochies and a stiff object, etc  

Honestly if na me own NL, I sweat I go tell google that no gay adverts like the one below this thread on my forum.

It irritates me.

^^^^

saga talk true na - some fella tried to poke you sometime in the not so distant past.

The remarks, coming at a time of huge sensitivity around gay rights in Africa, have the potential to [b]embarrass [/b]Obasanjo's colleagues on the Africa Progress Panel, a respected body that monitors development across the continent. Chaired by Annan, its members include Blair, Geldof, economist Muhammad Yunus and Graca Machel, the women's and children's rights activist and wife of Nelson Mandela.

Talk about embarrassment!!!
One would think that things like Obasanjo conducting a mago mago election in Nigeria during his tenure, or the fact that Obasanjo is yet to be accounted for the billions of naira he said he reserved for electricity, or the rumor he slept with his daughter-in-law would have embarrassed the so-called African Progress Panel before they made him one of their colleagues.
Obasanjo's spectacular resume did not bother them when they put him in, so they should keep shut!!!

It is  a crazy world,we are all aliens,operating in different dimensions in the empty space.Nobody has the right to tell others how to feel,as long as one is not interfering with the other.

Feeling is personnal and people feel happy being gay,who cares?that is their reality,mine is different,i love bitches and that's me,the one and only me,i can only for myself.

We are all individuals.

However,obasanjo is too immoral to have a public moral opinion,he is a paedophile and insestious',apart from being a habitual blood socking thief.

stillwater:

Talk about embarrassment!!!
One would think that things like Obasanjo conducting a mago mago election in Nigeria during his tenure, or the fact that Obasanjo is yet to be accounted for the billions of naira he said he reserved for electricity, or the rumor he slept with his daughter-in-law would have embarrassed the so-called African Progress Panel before they made him one of their colleagues.
Obasanjo's spectacular resume did not bother them when they put him in, so they should keep shut!!!

Correct, he wasn't judged on how his actions directly affected his consitutuents before he was accepted on the panel, they will now judge him because he said man should not f.0.c.k another man's yansh.

oyb:

^^^^

saga talk true na - some fella tried to poke you sometime in the not so distant past.   

They will not find his dead body. Ama hide it well. 

Katsumoto:

Correct, he wasn't judged on how his actions directly affected his consitutuents before he was accepted on the panel, they will now judge him because he said man should not f.0.c.k another man's yansh.

Don't be surprised.

Gay rights is supreme in the UK.

It even surpasses child rights if the 2 conflicts. Talkless of African rights.

Useless country in moral meltdown.

I still wonder why a lot of you people will not give obj benefit of doubt that he slept with his son's wife.

The only evidence you all have is that his' son who had a grouse with him and a love lost situation with his wife said so.

I dont know why obj will do that, for all he worths in naija, the guy can line up 100 ladies for himself daily, why would he pick his sons's wife?


saga & Katsumoto

Conservative or not, filter liberalism or not, no guy will ever hold my yansh.  I dont mind finding out what it will feel like lying with 2 or more girls tho, cos that is not un-african.

So what if he supports it? Who cares?

What baffles me is why ppl are still seeing this old bag as an important public figure.

Moving on. . . . now what does Goodluck Jonathan thinks about this?

EzeUche:

This is the first time I can agree with OBJ on anything.

It is a sin and an abomination! This is Western culture coming to Africa. Disgusting!  

not a case of western culture, but sheer depravity, lack of control and sheer madness. it is sign of twisted mind and faulty personality. this move should be resisted and wiped out. and it is a shame for leaders who condone it. it is just like you say parents have a choice cook their kids for dinner if they so desire! utter madness