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blackbriar:
CHAI.....na holy eucharist you dey call abomination.....kai.....mea maxima culpa.
the same holy Eucharist that Pentecostals now do.

truly oh blinded one, revelations woman of abominations is the rcc

continue:

Good Works

According to Roman Catholicism, once a person is baptized and his original sin is removed, he must perform good works because they are also necessary for salvation.

”The specific precepts of the natural law, because their observance, demanded by the Creator, is necessary for salvation,” (CCC, par. 2010).
“The Decalogue [the Ten Commandments] contains a privileged expression of the natural law. It is made known to us by divine revelation and by human reason,” (CCC 2080).
" . . . the Second Vatican Council confirms: 'The bishops, successors of the apostles, receive from the Lord . . . the mission of teaching all peoples, and of preaching the Gospel to every creature, so that all men may attain salvation through faith, Baptism and the observance of the Commandments,'" (CCC 2068).

Good works are necessary because Roman Catholicism denies justification by faith alone. Justification is the declaration of righteousness. It is where the righteousness of Christ is reckoned to the believer (Phil. 3:9) by faith (Rom. 5:1). It is not by faith and something but by faith alone (Rom. 4:1-5). But, Roman Catholicism declares that if anyone believes in justification by faith alone in Christ alone, then he is to be cursed.

"If any one saith, that by faith alone the impious is justified; in such wise as to mean, that nothing else is required to co-operate in order to the obtaining the grace of Justification, and that it is not in any way necessary, that he be prepared and disposed by the movement of his own will; let him be anathema," (Council of Trent, Canons on Justification, Canon 9).
"If any one saith, that man is truly absolved from his sins and justified, because he assuredly believed himself absolved and justified; or, that no one is truly justified but he who believes himself justified; and that, by this faith alone, absolution and justification are effected; let him be anathema," (Council of Trent, Canons on Justification, Canon 14).
“If any one saith, that the justice [righteousness] received is not preserved and also increased before God through good works; but that the said works are merely the fruits and signs of Justification obtained, but not a cause of the increase thereof; let him be anathema." (Council of Trent, Canons on Justification, Canon 24).

So in Roman Catholicism, attaining salvation is a process that includes faith, baptism, and good works. Therefore, in Roman Catholicism, attaining salvation and being justified (being right in God’s eyes) is not an instantaneous event received by faith. It is a long process.
Biblical Response

Salvation in Roman Catholic Salvation is a system of works combined with faith. But, what does the Bible say about salvation when it comes to faith and works? It separates them and clearly says that works are not part of becoming saved.

"For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law. 29 Or is God the God of Jews only? Is He not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, 30 since indeed God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith is one." (Rom. 3:28-30).
"What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, has found? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about; but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? “And Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness.” 4 Now to the one who works, his wage is not reckoned as a favor, but as what is due. 5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned as righteousness," (Rom. 4:1-5).
"Nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we may be justified by faith in Christ, and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law shall no flesh be justified." (Gal. 2:16).

So we can see that salvation is by faith alone in Christ alone. Did you also know that adding works to salvation is condemned in scripture?

"You foolish Galatians, who has bewitched you, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified? 2 This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith? 3 Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?" (Gal. 3:1-3).
"Behold I, Paul, say to you that if you receive circumcision, Christ will be of no benefit to you. 3 And I testify again to every man who receives circumcision, that he is under obligation to keep the whole Law. 4 You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace." (Gal. 5:2-4).
“Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ 23 “And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.’" (Matt. 7:22-23).

In Gal. 3:1-3 above, Paul is clearly teaching that the Galatians were fools. Why? They were adding works to the work of the Holy Spirit. In Gal. 5:2-4, Paul tells them if they received circumcision, that they would not be under grace. Circumcision represented the works of the Law, and Paul clearly tells them that just getting circumcised (not doing good works) would damn them. Why? Because it was a symbol of keeping the Law. That is why Paul had previously said in Gal. 3:10, "For as many as are of the works of the Law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not abide by all things written in the book of the law, to perform them.” Finally, in Matt. 7:22-23 we see an account where Jesus condemns people on the day of judgment. Why would they be condemned? They were appealing to their faith in Christ and their works for their salvation on "bad day." By adding any works into the active salvation, it means that the work of God is not sufficient, but that it needs to be perfected--completed by human effort. This is why salvation is by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone. It cannot be by faith and any of our works.

Rom. 11:6, "But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace."

matt slick

blackbriar:
STOP GOING HATE FILLED WEBSITE TO QUOTE LIES, DID YOU EVEN READ WHAT YOU POSTED, IT DOESNT ADD UP.

ha ha, bb you dont even know what your satanic church teaches

you just continue in your lies, taking after your god, and saying anything

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.


some proof for you bb about rc's believing salvation is more than just faith in Jesus Christ:

Attaining Salvation in Roman Catholicism


Salvation, in Roman Catholicism, is a process with many steps: Actual Grace, Faith, Good Works, Baptism, Participation in the Sacraments, Penance, Indulgences, and Keeping the Commandments. Basically, salvation is attained through baptism and good works. It is maintained by good works and participation in the sacraments. If lost, it is regained through the sacrament of Penance which only a Roman Catholic priest can administer. Add to this purgatorial cleansing after a person dies, and you can see that salvation is an arduous process.

In Catholicism, a person can gain salvation and lose it many times depending on the number of sins committed, their severity, and how much of the sacraments they participate in--in order to regain grace which enables them to do good works by which they are justified. Furthermore, justifying grace is infused into the Catholic upon baptism and via the sacraments. This grace can be gradually lost through venial sins or forfeited all together with mortal sins.

In light of all of this, I've written three interrelated articles:

Part 1, Attaining Salvation in Roman Catholicism
Part 2, Maintaining Salvation in Roman Catholicism
Part 3, Regaining Salvation in Roman Catholicism
See also, Summary of process of salvation in Roman Catholicism


Attaining Salvation, Part 1 of 3
Actual grace

Actual Grace is the first step in the process of attaining salvation in Roman Catholicism. Actual grace is what God gives to a person to enable the person to seek and respond to God’s call of faith. It helps the person move towards God--where he then freely chooses to accept or reject God’s work in Christ.

Actual grace is “A supernatural help of God for salutary [beneficial] acts granted in consideration of the merits of Christ,” (Catholic Encyclopedia, “Actual Grace”).
"Habitual grace, the permanent disposition to live and act in keeping with God's call, is distinguished from actual graces which refer to God's interventions, whether at the beginning of conversion or in the course of the work of sanctification," (Catechism of the Catholic Church, herein referred to as CCC, par. 2000).

With actual grace working on a person, he is then able to have faith which is necessary for salvation. But this faith is not a simple faith in Christ's work on the cross, so that we are justified by faith alone in Christ's work alone (Rom. 4:5; 5:1; Gal. 2:16). On the contrary, according to Catholicism, the faith that is necessary for salvation must be a faith that also affirms what the Roman Catholic Church teaches.

"Faith is necessary for salvation. The Lord himself affirms: ‘He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.’ (Mk 16:16),” (CCC 183).
“Faith is the theological virtue by which we believe in God and believe all that he has said and revealed to us, and that Holy Church proposes for our belief, because he is truth itself," (CCC 1814).
“Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation,” (CCC 846).

Baptism

Once actual grace has done its work and the person believes the gospel (and in the Roman Catholic Church), baptism is a necessary element for salvation in Roman Catholicism. It is where sins are removed and a person is justified before God.

". . . Baptism is the first and chief sacrament of forgiveness of sins because it unites us with Christ, who died for our sins and rose for our justification, so that 'we too might walk in newness of life,'" (CCC 977).
“Baptism is necessary for salvation for those to whom the Gospel has been proclaimed and who have had the possibility of asking for this sacrament. The Church does not know of any means other than Baptism that assures entry into eternal beatitude . . . " (CCC 1257).
"Justification has been merited for us by the Passion of Christ. It is granted us through Baptism. It conforms us to the righteousness of God, who justifies us. It has for its goal the glory of God and of Christ, and the gift of eternal life. It is the most excellent work of God's mercy," (CCC 2020).

At baptism, a person is restored to a state of innocence before God by erasing original sin. Justification occurs in baptism, and sanctifying grace (the grace that saves) is infused into him.

“Baptism, by imparting the life of Christ's grace, erases original sin . . . " (CCC 405).
“Justification is conferred in Baptism, the sacrament of faith. It conforms us to the righteousness of God, who makes us inwardly just by the power of his mercy,” (CCC 1992).
“The grace of Christ is the gratuitous gift that God makes to us of his own life, infused by the Holy Spirit into our soul to heal it of sin and to sanctify it. It is the sanctifying or deifying grace received in Baptism,” (CCC 1999).

bb & uben, God says one thing and you rc's say something else, showing that you hate God

rc's bow down before statues, and God Himself said that you hate Him:
Exo_20:5  Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

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The Bible foretold that the antichrist beast would be are arrayed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with precious stones.

“The woman (apostate church) was arrayed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls, having in her hand a golden cup full of abominations and the filthiness of her fornication.” Revelation 17:4

Question: "Is Catholicism a false religion? Are Catholics saved?"

Answer: The most crucial problem with the Roman Catholic Church is its belief that faith alone in Christ is not sufficient for salvation. The Bible clearly and consistently states that receiving Jesus Christ as Savior, by grace through faith, grants salvation (John 1:12; 3:16,18,36; Acts 16:31; Romans 10:9-10,13; Ephesians 2:8-9). The Roman Catholic Church rejects this. The official position of the Roman Catholic Church is that a person must believe in Jesus Christ AND be baptized AND receive the Eucharist along with the other sacraments AND obey the decrees of the Roman Catholic Church AND perform meritorious works AND not die with any mortal sins AND etc., etc., etc. Catholic divergence from the Bible on this most crucial of issues, salvation, means that yes, Catholicism is a false religion. If a person believes what the Catholic Church officially teaches, he/she will not be saved. Any claim that works or rituals must be added to faith in order for salvation to be achieved is a claim that Jesus’ death was not sufficient to fully purchase our salvation.

gotquestions dot org

blackbriar:
i am still straching my head from trying so hard to locate the lies you noted

read back through your posts oh blinded one

blackbriar:
ooo really and i thought you read your bible

^^^ as usual a confused reply

blackbriar:
st stephen,first matryr of the faith or the apostles?

stephen was of the Christian faith,
not of the rcc faith, worshiping statues etc.

Ubenedictus:
make dem try.

you are killed over and over again oh blinded one, but you cannot see anything
but your own lies

Ubenedictus:
sorry you didn't prove anything.
you simply imagined that whatever the Bible isn't explicit about is wrong you forgot the Church came before the new testament.
why not try going through the writings of the early Christians and be informed.

God's word - the Bible is indeed proof

but not to you uben who belong to satans church,
you who go on and on about the rcc compiling the Bible
but don't believe much of what is said in it

if you don't believe some of God's inspired word then you don't believe it is God's inspired word
the rcc is just another sect honoring deceased persons through statues made to them
you are pagans and cannot see it, because you hate truth, your god has blinded you:

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

blackbriar:
You do not know what the church teaches because all you know about the church is form a hate site.
Read the vatican link up there.

bb, a site that teaches from the Bible you call a hate site,
that's how evil you and your church are

blackbriar:
You do not know what the church teaches because all you know about the church is form a hate site.
Read the vatican link up there.

ha ha, i have exposed some rcc lies here which you don't respond to
but you do love to continue in your lies and false accusing, taking after your god:

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

blackbriar:
we build our house of worship to remind us of the faith for which some have labored and given their life for.
from St . agnes who was matryred to St . James the apostle, patron saint of spain.
to even christians like Mulumba and also. we also dedicated our house of worship to the many attributes of God, creator of heave and earth. the triumph of the cross, the most holy trinity, his ressurection, his ascension etc.
PLS WHAT HAPPENS TO CHRISTIANS WHO DIE IN THE FAITH?

the deceased persons that you worship are not Christians of faith
they are deceived individuals believing all sort of unbibical rubbish
as you do

blackbriar:
na wa o ...who says catholics dont believe in Bible...chai.

i say, and here is one example:
rc's say mary is the queen of heaven
the bible shows that the queen of heaven
is a false god;

Jer_7:18  Children gather wood, fathers light fires, and women knead dough to make cakes for the queen of heaven. They pour out wine offerings to other gods in order to make me furious.

blackbriar:
bros that is Ephesians read it. it is plain clear

bb, your unbelief and lies has you also confused

bb:

“Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin my mother conceived me.” Ephesians 2:2

the Bible:
Eph 2:2  You followed the ways of this present world and its spiritual ruler. This ruler continues to work in people who refuse to obey God.


and once again, the verse you posted as eph 2:2 is in fact psalm 51:5

kjv Psa 51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.

blackbriar:
and this what the church teaches.
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p1s2c1p7.htm

i know the lies that satan's church teaches, i have pointed out a few and you have no genuine comeback on them
just your confusion.

blackbriar:
all catholic house of worship are built in honour of a personality. st agnes catholic church or holy cross cathedral or even Ss michael,raphael and gabriel or church of the pentecost or ressurection.

yes i know you build houses of worship to worship deceased men and women,
kneeling down and bowing your heads before their statues, which of course is idolatery

vvv roman catholic idolators, and pope adoring your lady of fatima statue sick evil

roman catholice believe the woman clothed with the sun of revelation 12:1-2 is mary the mother of Jesus

now one of the curses of the fall-disobeying God-the original sin, is that women will have pain in child birth

so either the woman clothed with the sun is not mary, or mary has inherited original sin



Rev 12:1  And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: 
Rev 12:2  And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered. 

Gen 3:12  And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat. 
Gen 3:13  And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat. 
Gen 3:14  And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life: 
Gen 3:15  And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. 
Gen 3:16  Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee. 
Gen 3:17  And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; 
Gen 3:18  Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; 
Gen 3:19  In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

look at those deceived people in the photo,
facing and bowing their heads and praying to a statue

blackbriar:
indeed a chapel was built in her honor to remind us daily of her message to mankind, HOW OUR SINS HURT THE LORD, HOW WILL SHOULD LIVE A LIFE OF DAILY PRAYER AND PENITENCE.

bb, you are lying again, your mary didn't say that

your mary said "a chapel is to be built here in my honour"
you see she-satan wants you to honour her, and you do

Christians honour God and don't build chapels for any other

blackbriar:
“Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin my mother conceived me.” Ephesians 2:2

duh bb, you use the Bible that you don't believe

that isn't ephesians 2:2 it's psalm 51:5

Psa 51:5  Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me. 

and it's not saying original sin is passed on by the mother
David was saying that his sin was there even at conception, before he was born

13 October 1917

"I want to tell you that a chapel is to be built here in my honour. I am the Lady of the Rosary. Continue always to pray the Rosary every day. The war is going to end, and the soldiers will soon return to their homes."



Christians honor God, this mary-satan wants honor to go to her




She explained later that she had been given to understand that this related to the five main types of blasphemies and offences committed against the Immaculate Heart of Mary: that is against the Immaculate Conception; against Mary's Virginity; against her Divine Maternity and her spiritual motherhood of mankind; for the offences of those who encourage in the hearts of children indifference, contempt and even hatred of her, and finally as reparation for those who outrage her in her holy images.




what a lot of garbage one would wonder how anyone could believe it

it's all about mary, God is only sometimes mentioned in the apperations of satan disguised as mary the mother of Jesus, to help the deceived believe it

a very little bit of truth, and many many lies

blackbriar:
if she wasnt that means christ would have had original sin. its logic,
which is why her conception was regarded to be immaculate....free from original sin(HER GRACE).

Rom 5:12  Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: 

God didn't attribute the original sin to eve even though she was the first to disobey God
and eat of the tree of knowing good and evil, God attributed the original sin to adam

original sin is passed on from ones father starting with adam
it was passed on to mary through her father,
however it was not passed onto Jesus through His Father God.

blackbriar:
if she wasnt that means christ would have had original sin. its logic,
which is why her conception was regarded to be immaculate....free from original sin(HER GRACE).
whether you agree or not, it doesnt take away her role in the story of our salvation neither does it change the fact that she is the mother of the messiah.
she was just full of grace and played her own part.
now it is up to us to play our own part in the story of our salvation. nagging over and over and over this issue wont help matters.
what we should be doing is evangelising to people around us, have we said good morning to them, asked if their night was good?

just more of your own and rcc words, you have no truth from God's word-the Bible

@bold, mary doesn't have a role in salvation, it is all thanks to Jesus Christ:

Act_4:12  Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

salvation is from Jesus, no other name includes mary

blackbriar:
YES SHE WAS SO MUCH BLESSED BY GOD TO BE THE MOTHER OF HIS SON...THAT IS BEEN FULL OF GRACE.

that is what i told you,
again, it doesn't mean she was free from original sin which you lied and claimed

blackbriar:
i have answered that.

quit with the lies, you haven't answered much of anything, just a lot of dribble

johnw74:
are all people with God's grace from birth, if not show Bible verses where mary is

again, are all people with God's grace from birth
all you answered was that the Bible doesn't agree with your false doctrine of mary being full of grace at birth

blackbriar:
YES....there is no bible support to show that her conception was immaculate.
but the good lord was born without sin(original sin) hence he didnt inherit it from his mohter, that is what theologians attribute to the statemnet of the archangel....hail mary,full of grace.......her exemption from original sin.

duh, again show your claims from the Bible, i'm not interisted in your opinion or the lies of your church

mary was full of grace because she was much blessed By God, it has nothing to do with being exempt from original sin,
what a lot of unbibical garbage you use

blackbriar:
Yes mary was conceived like any other man or woman but she was with God's grace from birth.
I still can not see where she is been worshipped as you claimed.

are all people with God's grace from birth, if not show Bible verses where mary is

@bold, of course you cannot you have been blinded because you don't believe;

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

blackbriar:
the blasphemies against the Immaculate Conception,

against her virginity,

Just you as you sin against your fellow man when you lie against him.

duh, mary was conceived the same way as all other people (other than Jesus Christ), nothing immaculate about it
and mary asked for prayers for the sins comitted against her, whereas Christians pray for the sins they comitted against God.
but i do understand you are blinded to it all and haven't a clue:

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

you bb worship a woman who wasn't a virgin after she had other children
and you worship the apperations of a woman who called herself the immaculate conception
and is in fact satan the devil, the god of the roman catholic church.

You don't back up your clains from God's word bb, because you cannot,
your false doctrines are not there in the Bible

blackbriar:
Just as the Good lord teavhes to say the Lords prayer when will pray and to also pray without season.

duh, to "pray without season"
do you think that means to pray repetitively, saying the same prayer over and over again?

how is your few confused words a reply to this:

johnw74:
Lucia made some requests for sick people, to which Mary replied that she would cure some but not others, and that all must say the rosary to obtain such graces, before continuing: "Sacrifice yourselves for sinners, and say many times, especially when you make some sacrifice: O Jesus, it is for love of You, for the conversion of sinners, and in reparation for the sins committed against the Immaculate Heart of Mary."

mary again said she will cure some,
but as christians know it is God who heals

and mary teaches to pray many times, that is to pray repetitively, as they do with the hail mary prayer,
and which goes against God's word:
Mat_6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

lucia is to pray this prayer repetively-many times " O Jesus, it is for love of You",
while it was Jesus who said not to pray repetitively,

sick isn't it, evil is a more accurate word.

blackbriar:
i promise salvation to whoever embraces it...................really you do not know what this means.
okay here i go "i promise salvation to whoever embraces it,says blackbriar".
if you continue reading her messages, you will come to where she was asked by the kids, "who are you?". she never claimed to be God, instead "the immaculate conception".

bb you said:
"I promise salvation to whoever embraces it" means "I promise salvation to whoever embraces it"



can you give a reply to anything, it seems all you rc's can do is twist things around.
in claiming to give salvation and to heal, mary puts herself in the position of God.

mary was born in the same way as every other woman, how was marys conception immaculate, show from the Bible,
and not from rcc ridiculous false made up doctrines.

Lucia made some requests for sick people, to which Mary replied that she would cure some but not others, and that all must say the rosary to obtain such graces, before continuing: "Sacrifice yourselves for sinners, and say many times, especially when you make some sacrifice: O Jesus, it is for love of You, for the conversion of sinners, and in reparation for the sins committed against the Immaculate Heart of Mary."

mary again said she will cure some,
but as christians know it is God who heals

and mary teaches to pray many times, that is to pray repetitively, as they do with the hail mary prayer,
and which goes against God's word:
Mat_6:7  But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

lucia is to pray this prayer repetively-many times " O Jesus, it is for love of You",
while it was Jesus who said not to pray repetitively,

sick isn't it, evil is a more accurate word.

Lucia made some requests for sick people, to which Mary replied that she would cure some but not others, and that all must say the rosary to obtain such graces, before continuing: "Sacrifice yourselves for sinners, and say many times, especially when you make some sacrifice: O Jesus, it is for love of You, for the conversion of sinners, and in reparation for the sins committed against the Immaculate Heart of Mary."

Christians pray to God for the sins committed against God
but this mary-satan (wanting to be God) wants prayers for the sins comitted against her


13 September 1917
"Continue to pray the Rosary in order to obtain the end of the war. In October Our Lord will come, as well as Our Lady of Dolours and Our Lady of Carmel. Saint Joseph will appear with the Child Jesus to bless the world. God is pleased with your sacrifices. He does not want you to sleep with the rope on, but only to wear it during the daytime."