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PastorAIO:
Try to understand the conversation you're jumping into before you comment.

oh i do, but i'm talking truth which is why you don't comprehend

PastorAIO:
All this long thing and all for only me.

There is an easy way to show all your long words for the nonsense that they are.

if upon all the so called spiritual death that you've manufactured Adam and Eve continued to eat from the tree of life, would they die? Or not?



If they would continue to live, as god said they would in the story, then where does that leave your so called spiritual death?

you are so confused, of course,

post the verses you are referring to,

the nonsense in your head doesn't cut it

PastorAIO:
Knack that straw man correct. Don't worry I dey your back. We go give an combination chop. Two left jabs followed by a right uppercut and finish off with a Glasgow kiss to to nose. Next time the straw man comes looking for trouble he'll think twice.

talk about straw man, you are it

you say things that are not true
and then you give wrong interpertations of God's word to prove them

oh duh aio

PastorAIO:
Who is masquerading as a Christian with you? You are just speaking for yourself with all those words you wrote up there.

Ps. Please keep trolling. I could use some new trolls. The few I acquired recently seem to have low battery life. Welcome

pastor:
A pastor is an ordained leader of a Christian congregation

oh duh AIO

PastorAIO:
Knack that straw man correct. Don't worry I dey your back. We go give an combination chop. Two left jabs followed by a right uppercut and finish off with a Glasgow kiss to to nose. Next time the straw man comes looking for trouble he'll think twice.

it would take a man to do that,
but keep running away from the truth oh false one

PastorAIO:
You're gonna have to troll more intelligently than that.

I didn't say anything about God nor being holy. I was asking for a definition of holiness, aka Qadosh.

twister AIO, i see that you fear being challenged, you call it trolling to hopefully get rid of the annoyance

of course i know that you don't think God is Holy
how could you when you claim He lied,

oh duh so called pastor

see this son of satan masquarading as a christian:

PastorAIO:
the most hypocritical people on the planet today are 'christians'

Jesus hates hypocrisy, yet his followers are the most hypocritical people on the planet.

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

2 Co 11
13 For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ.
14 And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.

PastorAIO:
What do you understand by 'HOLY"? you wrote 'without any moral or character defect', is that what you mean by Holy? I ask because in the bible the word Holy is also applied to places and people. For example, exodus 19:6. I have often seen qadosh translated as Set Apart.

dictionary:
qadosh
sacred (ceremonially or morally)

however i understand why you aio, a persopn that said God lied, would also want to argue against Him being holy

PastorAIO: However everything the serpent said about the tree of good and evil was true while what Elohim said about it was false.

promise10: God is ABSOLUTELY HOLY—without any moral or character defect. In fact, the Bible says that God is INCAPABLE of doing any evil, despite being all
powerful.

PastorAIO: However everything the serpent said about the tree of good and evil was true while what Elohim said about it was false.

who are you trying to fool with the pastor monika

believing satan and not God you are surely lost:

2Pe 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

(2Co 11:13) For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
(2Co 11:14) And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
(2Co 11:15) Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
vvv

Rev_20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

when the plain sense of God's word is common sense, seek no other sense

PastorAIO:
You will not surely die.

This is very different from:
Surely you will not die.

The original hebrew says you will not-surely die.

duh, oh twister of words and twister of God's word

God:"thou shalt surely die"

satan:"Ye shall not surely die"

satan said the exact opposite to God, oh blinded one, but twist away to get another meaning

2Co_4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

PastorAIO:
This is extra biblical. Nowhere does it talk if spiritual death. Spirit is life.

Rom_8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

^^^ the body is not physically dead because of sin, but spiritually dead because of sin,
just as adam and eve became spiritually dead the day they sinned.
with those that have Christ in them, the spirit is life

PastorAIO:
That is a dangerous road you're on when anyone that doesn't agree with you is blinded by Satan.

Anyway, whether or not Serpent said this and god said that, the fact remains that in that day nobody died.
Short of inventing some kind of spiritual death, which I'm sure you can't explain, nobody died that day as claimed.

you are blinded by satan because you don't agree with and change God's word:

PastorAIO: The serpent said that as a statistical case it is not sure that you will die.

PastorAIO:
This is extra biblical. Nowhere does it talk if spiritual death. Spirit is life.

duh, adam and eve disobeyed God, so they spiritually died that day
they didn't physically die that day, and God doesn't lie, they died spiritually that day

also read this from got questions:

Question: "What does it mean to be spiritually dead?"

Answer: To be spiritually dead is to be separated from God. When Adam sinned in Genesis 3:6, he ushered in death for all humanity. God’s command to Adam and Eve was that they could not eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. It came with the warning that disobedience would result in death: “And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, ‘You may surely eat of every tree of the garden, but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.’
This signifies a continuous state of death that began with spiritual death, continues throughout life as a gradual degradation of the body, and culminates in physical death. The immediate spiritual death resulted in Adam’s separation from God. His act of hiding from God (Genesis 3:8] demonstrates this separation, as does his attempt to shift blame for the sin to the woman (Genesis 3:12).

Unfortunately, this spiritual – and eventual physical – death was not confined to Adam and Eve. As the representative of the human race, Adam carried all of humanity into his sin. Paul makes this clear in Romans 5:12, telling us that sin and death entered the world and spread to all men through Adam’s sin. Additionally, Romans 6:23 says that the wages of sin is death; sinners must die, because sin separates us from God. Any separation from the Source of Life is, naturally, death for us.

But it is not just inherited sin that causes spiritual death; our own sinfulness contributes. Ephesians 2 teaches that, before salvation, we are “dead” in trespasses and sins (verse 1). This must speak of spiritual death, because we were still “alive” physically before salvation. While we were in that spiritually “dead” condition, God saved us (verse 5; see also Romans 5:8]. Colossians 2:13 reiterates this truth: “And you, who were dead in your trespasses . . . God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses.”

Since we are dead in sin, we are completely unable to trust God or His Word. Jesus repeatedly claims that we are powerless without Him (John 15:5) and that we cannot come to Him without God’s enabling (John 6:44). Paul teaches in Romans 8 that our natural minds cannot submit to God, nor please Him (verses 7-8]. In our fallen state, we are incapable of even understanding the things of God (1 Corinthians 2:14).

The act of God whereby He makes us alive from spiritual death is called regeneration. Regeneration is accomplished only by the Holy Spirit, through the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. When we are regenerated, we are made alive together with Christ (Ephesians 2:5) and renewed by the Holy Spirit (Titus 3:5). It is like being born a second time, as Jesus taught Nicodemus in John 3:3, 7. Having been made alive by God, we will never truly die – we have eternal life. Jesus said often that to believe in Him is to have eternal life (John 3:16, 36; 17:3).

Sin leads to death. The only way to escape that death is to come to Jesus through faith, drawn by the Holy Spirit. Faith in Christ leads to spiritual life, and ultimately to eternal life.

PastorAIO:
I see that you are struggling to appreciate the significance of the word 'surely'.

Surely means 100% definite occurrence.

Not Surely means less than 100% likelihood.

'The day you eat thereof ye shall surely die ' means that 100% certainty that before the day is over you will be dead.


After eating from the fruit of the tree Adam and Eve did NOT die.

They eventually died because they were deprived of the fruit of the tree of life.

After eating from the fruit of the tree Adam and Eve did spiritually die and were banished from the garden

PastorAIO:
The serpent said that as a statistical case it is not sure that you will die.

God didn't say that he wasn't sure, I don't know where you got that from. He said that they will Surely Die. I don't see what's been twisted there.

Death was no consequence of eating the tree of g and e. It was a consequence of being deprived of the tree of life.

These are the facts. If you're not comfortable with the implications that does not affect the facts in any way.

you have been blinded, is the cause of that confusion:

2Co_4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

satan didn't say "it is not sure that you will die"
satan said "Ye shall not surely die",
which is the opposite to which God said "thou shalt surely die"

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PastorAIO:
The serpent did NOT say 'you shall not die'.

The serpent said ' you shall not SURELY die'. That is a different sentence altogether with a different meaning altogether.

Gen_2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Gen_3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die



but then along comes the twisters of truth who hate God and His word
and change what He says

if satan meant: "it's not for sure that you will die"
then did God mean: "thou shalt surely die, but I'm not sure"

duh
have a swift journey:
Rev_20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.


God said:
"thou shalt surely die"

satan said the opposite to God:
"Ye shall not surely die"


how they love to try and make God out to be a liar

A thousand years to God is not a day, a thousand years to God can seem like a day:

Psa 90:4 For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.



It appears that God's creation day's were 24 hours long:

Gen 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

PastorAIO:
However everything the serpent said about the tree of good and evil was true while what Elohim said about it was false.

DeSepiero:
In which case, the father and origin of Lies wasn't Satan but the one that you OLAADEGBU worship as God.


cc OLAADEGBU

talk bout being blinded by satan:

2Co_4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.





satan the father of lies never of himself speaks the truth, he sometimes mixes God's truth with his lies to have you believe him,
and just look at some of the atheist's posts here, to see how well that works

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Supremex:
The bible says a day before God is like a thosuand years

and a thousand years is like a day, meaning God experiences time diffrent to us

each day of creation could be taken as a thosaund years

Each day has a evening and a morning, if the earth was turning so slow for the day's to be 1000 years long then all of creation the animals and man etc. would float of the planet, there would be so little gravitation

Gggg102:
you are getting his point backwards.


lemme put it this way

hockey is a type of sport = false witness is a type of lie


government banned hockey = ten commandments banned false witness

banning hockey does not mean banning all sports since hockey is not all sports = banning false witness does not mean banning all lies since false witness is not all lies.


notice the equivalence are
hockey = false witness
sport = lies

hopefulLandlord: Exactly!!!!
I dunno how many times I'll explain this to him before he would get it so I gave up once I realised I was talking to a brick wall

Gggg102: lol


his error was when he stated

false witness is a type of lie but hockey isn't all sports.

when it is

false witness is a type of lie= hockey is a type of sport.
or
hockey isn't all sports =false witness isn't all lie.

ha ha such girlies

as i have said before, my point has always been: the 10 commandments prohibits lying,
and false witness against your neighbour is lying

Exo_20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

but play on in your confusion, and with your hockey and false witness and lies comparisons, smile

These seven spirits before God in rev. approaching the end time judgments could be the seven angels that God sends to pour out His wrath on earth:

Rev_1:4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;

Rev_8:2 And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets.



The seven Spirits are sent forth into all the earth:
Rev_5:6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

The seven angels are sent forth upon the earth:
Rev_16:1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.

Fredrick4:
The Beast shall compell all races of people to have His mark placed in either their foreheads or in their right hands inorder to fit in His governance.
What is the Mark?
The Mark is none other than a physical Microchip that shall be placed in people's right hands or in foreheads to be fit for trade(Revealation13:16-17),such as E-TRADE MARK,DIGA E-IMPLANT which are all equal to 666 numerically when following the English Gematria Calculator where letter A=6,B=12,C=18 etc.
DemoDIGA E-IMPLANT)
D=24
I=54
G=42
A=6
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E=30
I=54
M=78
P=96
L=72
A=6
N=84
T=120
SUMMATION:24+54+42+6+30+54+78+96+72+6+84+120=666.Use the same method to compute E-TRADE MARK,you get the same results.
The chip shall be able to collect information from people having it including beliefs,financial statuses, and send it to the Anti-Christ/Beast (Cyborg) or half man half computer making Him all knowing like God.You are happy with computer technology,but wait for the Beast reign.You shall tremble with pain and fear and be put to death innocently.

the trouble with that is, 666 is not the number of a DIGA E-IMPLANT or a E-TRADE MARK
666 is the number of the beast's name, the number of a man:

Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

Christian threads on God's word are visited by atheists who of course don't believe in God yet argue over His word
what did God inspire King David to write about them:

Psa 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Psa 10:4 The wicked, through the pride of his countenance, will not seek after God: God is not in all his thoughts.

johnw74:
you are to slow see you tomorrow

hopefulLandlord:
Lmao! I'm sure the intelligent readers can see the slow one between us. Hint: its not me

where are you oh slow one

hopeful,
you are an atheist, you don't believe in God, but your main aim here at the forums is to argue over God's word, funny

hopefulLandlord:
I think this is a fair point. However I must point out that even if I agree that what I hypothetically did is bearing false witness against myself, it still doesn't go against the 10 commandments as I didn't bear false witness against "My Neighbour" which exactly proves my point that not all lies are false witness against your neighbour

.

who has said that all lies are false witness against your neighbour, you are so mixed up

hopefulLandlord:
Saying all lies are false witness against one's neighbour is akin to saying all sports are Hockey and I like your illustration with the Venn diagram

i'm glad you now agree with me that all sports are not hockey

johnw74:
but hockey isn't all sports, so not all sports are banned, just hockey

hopefulLandlord:
Lmao! I'm sure the intelligent readers can see the slow one between us. Hint: its not me

you are concerned with how the reader sees you, smile

hopefulLandlord:
I have a unique "talent" of knowing when someone is defeated in a discussion but ego is getting in the way of the person admitting it

you have a unique talent, ha ha

hopefulLandlord:
My point has been the same from the get go, anyone that thinks I've shifted in any way can simply check my posts here, I've been consistent from the beginning till now

You on the other hand has shifted here and there from

1. Quoting proverbs when we are asking for 10 commandments

yes the proverbs quote shows that thou shalt not lie, you hopeful should obey it:

Pro_12:22 Lying lips are abomination to the LORD:

hopefulLandlord:
when that was shown to be invalid by my sarcastic remark after seriously telling you its not germane you shifted to

2. "because it's a certain type of lie doesn't alter that fact"

yes it's true, being a certain type of lie doesn't alter the fact that it is a lie, duh

hopefulLandlord:
This right here is where you actually admitted Seun and I are right and OP is wrong but you doubled down when I used the Hockey-Sport analogy which prompted me to bring up the imaginary scenario between me and my girlfriend and you're now refusing to answer, Why? because you have no more space to manoeuvre.

ha ha, how confused you are, or is it just straight out lying,
a mixture i say

hopefulLandlord:
I'm simply doing your intellect a huge favour in thinking by indulging you till now

okay good to hear you are going to start being intelligent from now, lets hear it

hopefulLandlord:
You dodged answering the question

Did I lie? Yes/No?

Did I bear false witness against my neighbour? Yes/No?

false accuser, i dodged nothing, my position is not about there being a diffrence between lying to your neighbour and general lying
my position is that lying is prohibited in the 10 commandments

you should go back and read my posts and your comments that i posted on
because you are so confused, posting about things in your head instead of things that i said

solite3:
john long time, where have you been?

taking it easy