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blackbriar:
Please do well as to read all the messages of all her vatican approved apparitions

okay bb, i have taken your advice and am searching out and starting to read marys vatican approved apperations


Words spoken by Mary at Fatima


Lucia then asked if they would go to heaven and she was told yes, she and Jacinta would go to heaven, but Francisco would need to say many rosaries first.

^^^ mary said lucia and jacinta would go to Heaven and fraqncisco would need to say more rosarys first

vvv one month later mary said I will take Jacinta and Francisco but lucia must stay

"I will take Jacinta and Francisco shortly; but you will stay here for some time to come. Jesus wants to use you to make Me known and loved. He wishes to establish the devotion to My Immaculate Heart throughout the world. I promise salvation to whoever embraces it; these souls will be dear to God, like flowers put by Me to adorn his throne."

you can see why satan is called the father of lies, and the author of confusion

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

1Co_14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.


that is just from the few word of mary where she said: "I promise salvation"

blackbriar:
Please do well as to read all the messages of all her vatican approved apparitions

ha ha, so that's your reply to your saviour marys unbibical claim: "I promise salvation to whoever embraces it"

blackbriar:
did you even read the prayers.
how can she say i will save you and then still ask you to pray to Jesus to save you from hell....chai

do you think that saying some thing true (pray to Jesus) makes the lies okay?
that's what satan wants you to believe, and you follow him well.

Marian Apparition, Guadalupe, Mexio, 1531, “I am truly your merciful Mother, yours and all the people who live united in this land and of all the other people of different ancestries, my lovers, who love me, those who seek me, those who trust in me. Here I will hear their weeping, their complaints and heal all their sorrows, hardships and sufferings.” (theotokos.org.uk/pages/approved/words/wordguad.html)



Psa_22:26  The meek shall eat and be satisfied: they shall praise the LORD that seek him: your heart shall live for ever.
Psa_53:2  God looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, that did seek God.


blackbriar, those who seek God will live forever
God looks down from Heaven to see who seek Him

mary-satan wants people to seek her




bb, your mary say's she will heal you, but it is God that heals,
satan heals no one.

Mat_13:15  For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

Joh_12:40  He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.

Act_28:27  For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

blackbriar:
did you even read the prayers.
how can she say i will save you and then still ask you to pray to Jesus to save you from hell....chai

so mary-the devill contradicted herself

do you deny it's part of what she said at fatima?

mary:
"I promise salvation to whoever embraces it"

blackbriar:
If you are brave enough put up her whole message to the children of fatima , let us see the message.
stop editing sentences to suit your goals.

i haven't seen the whole message, so why don't you put it up
it won't change what she-he said: "I promise salvation to whoever embraces it"

blackbriar:
"When you pray the Rosary, say after each mystery: 'O my Jesus, forgive us, save us from the fire of hell. Lead all souls to heaven, especially those who are most in need.' "

"Pray, pray very much, and make sacrifices for sinners; for many souls go to hell, because there are none to sacrifice themselves and pray for them."

Blessed virgin mary never claimed to be God.

in the marian apparition, 1917, June 13, fatima, portugal, your mary-satan said: "I promise salvation to whoever embraces it"

however she lied for there is only one who saves, and that is Jesus Christ, not any mary.

Speaking of Jesus Christ:
Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.



of course I know that the Bible-God's word means nothing to rc's, but that's just another one of your many
abominations before God.

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1858, Lourdes, France. In 1858 a young girl named Bernadette Soubirous claimed to have seen Mary several times in a cave near Lourdes.

"Kiss the ground as a penance for sinners," (theotokos.org.uk/pages/approved/words/wordlour.html)

1917, Fatima, Portugal. In 1917 three children (Jacinto Marto, Lucia Santos, and Francisco Marto) said that an apparition of Mary appeared to them that was brighter than the sun.

Marian Apparition, 1917, May 13, Fatima, Portugal, “Are you willing to offer yourselves to God to bear all the sufferings He wants to send you, as an act of reparation for the sins by which He is offended, and for the conversion of sinners?” (theotokos.org.uk/pages/approved/words/wordfati.html)
Marian Apparition, 1917, June 13, Fatima, Portugal, "I will take Jacinta and Francisco shortly; but you will stay here for some time to come. Jesus wants to use you to make Me known and loved. He wishes to establish the devotion to My Immaculate Heart throughout the world. I promise salvation to whoever embraces it; these souls will be dear to God, like flowers put by Me to adorn his throne," (theotokos.org.uk/pages/approved/words/wordfati.html)
Marian Apparition, 1917, July 13, Fatima, Portugal, “Sacrifice yourselves for sinners, and say often to Jesus, especially whenever you make a sacrifice: O Jesus, it is for love of Thee, for the conversion of sinners, and in reparation for the sins committed against the Immaculate Heart of Mary.” (theotokos.org.uk/pages/approved/words/wordfati.html)


^^^ uben, your mary thinks she is God, she promises salvation:
Act 4:12  Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
of course that name is Jesus Christ. 

and of course it's satan that likes to be looked on as God, this mary and satan are the one and the same devil.

Ubenedictus:
on and on he goes. when you are ready to have a respectful discussion let me know.

uben, when you are ready to reply to what is said and not twist and run away from it,
then do so, man up if possible.

Ubenedictus:
of course I am not surprised you can't distinguish between your 16th century heresy and the historic Christian faith. sorry, it is a pity.

duh again uben, you are talking about rcc historic faith, not Christian faith.
and yet still again you cannot reply to what is said but twist and lie away, like good little rc's do

johnw74:
I already proved the early church is not the roman catholic church which you belong to.
Peter Paul and all the original teachers didn't teach about having statues, and praying to deceased saints, and that's just a couple of things


truly pointing out that mary is not to be given any special place in faith is not attacking her
but you confused uben reply with garbage not related to what is said,

Ubenedictus:
are you aware that it is considered heresy in the apostolic faith to teach what Protestants teach about Mary.

are you also aware that these your heretical teachings began in the 16th century?

duh uben, the truth is not heresy, and the rcc is not the true church but is the church of satan.
point out my heretical teachings and i will point out more of your lies and confusion

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Mary per Catholicism

Apparitions of Mary
1531, Guadalupe Mexico, appearance to Juan Diego.
These are the words of the apparition. Let’s take a look at them and pay close attention to who is exalted. Also, notice that the apparition claims perfection and holiness. "Know, know for sure, my dearest, littlest, and youngest son, that I am the perfect and ever Virgin Holy Mary.” (theotokos.org.uk/pages/approved/words/wordguad.html)
Marian Apparition, Guadalupe, Mexio, 1531, “I am truly your merciful Mother, yours and all the people who live united in this land and of all the other people of different ancestries, my lovers, who love me, those who seek me, those who trust in me. Here I will hear their weeping, their complaints and heal all their sorrows, hardships and sufferings.” (theotokos.org.uk/pages/approved/words/wordguad.html)
Marian Apparition, Guadalupe, Mexio, 1531, “Am I not here, I, who am your Mother? Are you not under my shadow and protection? Am I not the source of your joy? Are you not in the hollow of my mantle, in the crossing of my arms? Do you need anything more? (theotokos.org.uk/pages/approved/words/wordguad.html)

^^^ this mary thinks she is the source of joy,
she thinks she is above God.

Christians know that the real Mary had other children after Jesus,
rc's don't believe the Bible and so change and twist it, like other so called christian sects do

this mary say's that rc's seek her.
Real Christians seek God.

uben, your mary, is in fact satan the devil,
he tried to put himself above God and lost,
but he is above God in the rcc as the fake mary,
calling him-her self the source of joy,
not mentioning God at all but saying to seek him-her-mary
and you roman catholics believe satan, the fake mary.

Ubenedictus:
[quote author=johnw74 post=61115659]The early church is not the roman catholic church which you belong to
the early church never taught to have statues, the early church never prayed to them
the early church never followed mary but only Jesus

however you uben lie in most posts showing who is the god of your church that you follow[\quote]

since you jumped into the discussion.


please give us the list of the early Christians from the 1st to the 4th century who preserved and used your exact same Bible and prove they aren't Catholic.

pointing out that mary is not to be given any special place in faith is not attacking her
but lie away uben

then why is it that every Christian from the early Church who wrote about the topic disagree with you. could it be because the Protestants have departed from historic and apostolic Christianity and follow 15th century heresy?

your church that is filled with pedophiles and child abuse is truly not the church established by Christ
you are deceived by satan the god of the rcc

my church does have humans who make mistakes, but it also has saints, great men and women and the manifestation of God's presence.


If among the apostles personally handpicked by Jesus there is Judas, then I am not surprised that there exist imperfect people in the church he established. Are all in your church formed by 21st century men perfect?

Hey uben, you posted this twice, and both times in the wrong confused format,
that's what comes from hating the truth.

1Co_14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

Ubenedictus:
since you jumped into the discussion.
please give us the list of the early Christians from the 1st to the 4th century who preserved and used your exact same Bible and prove they aren't Catholic.

I already proved the early church is not the roman catholic church which you belong to.
Peter Paul and all the original teachers didn't teach about having statues, and praying to deceased saints, and that's just a couple of things

Ubenedictus:
then why is it that every Christian from the early Church who wrote about the topic disagree with you. could it be because the Protestants have departed from historic and apostolic Christianity and follow 15th century heresy?

truly pointing out that mary is not to be given any special place in faith is not attacking her
but you confused uben reply with garbage not related to what is said,



you uben cannot reply to what is said, but twist everything around,
which of course is what haters of the truth do, they lie

Ubenedictus:
are you so blind that you can't see it?

are you such a liar that you cannot point them out?

when i called you a false accuser, that is the truth
you call the truth name calling, that's no surprise either

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V. More Damning Lies

In addition to the damning lies already spelled out, other heresies (Galatians 5:20) can be found throughout Catholic doctrine on a variety of subjects. A few examples are given below.

A. "Father"

Jesus said,

Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. (Matthew 23:9)

The Catholic Church completely refuses to obey Christ's command. Besides calling the Pope "the Holy Father" (e.g. Crossing The Threshold Of Hope, p. v), it is well known among Catholics and non-Catholics that Catholic priests are called by the name of "Father." Instead of promoting the fear of God (Isaiah 66:2), this blatant disregard for the words of Christ leads the masses to repudiate His Words. If they disregard the Word of God, they cannot be saved (James 1:21).

B. Homosexuals

Catholics graphically turn the grace of God into lewdness (Jude 4) in their teaching on homosexuality.

The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. They do not choose their homosexual condition; for most of them it is a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition. (CCC, p. 566, #2358)

There is no such thing as a Christian homosexual ("if they are Christians"]. 1 Corinthians 6:11 says, "and such were some of you", not "such are some of you." (see 1 Corinthians 6:9-11)

C. Infant Baptism

The Catholic Church teaches that infants become children of God once they are baptized. This is a hellish and damning lie. This encourages a trust in a ritual rather than a trust (an on going faith, 1 Corinthians 15:2; Hebrews 3:14) in the living Savior for re-birth (Romans 3:21-22; 1 Peter 1:3-5; 3:21).

The Church and the parents would deny a child the priceless grace of becoming a child of God were they not to confer Baptism shortly after birth. (CCC, p. 319, #1250)

Infant baptismal regeneration (the above quote) is nowhere taught in the Word of God. Becoming a child of God takes an act of God (John 1:12-13; 3:3). As the Jews of old, Catholics teach "as doctrines the commandments of men" (Matthew 15:9).

D. Muslims

The Churches relationship with Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day." (CCC, p. 223, #841)

Muslims are in a false religion (Islam) that believes Jesus was created from dust (see the Quran, Surah 3:59; see also John 1:3; Colossians 1:16; Genesis 1:1) and rejects the concept that Jesus Christ is the Son of God who died for all mankind (Surah 4:157, 171; 5:17; 9:30; John 3:16; 1 Timothy 2:6). I John 2:23 says,

Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

The Catholic church attributes salvation to the Muslims. This denies the words of Christ (John 14:6), and makes the Catholic way very broad (Matthew 7:13-14; Luke 13:24). They accept (as saved) even those who reject the Son of God (1 John 5:10).

E. Purgatory

Contrary to Luke 16:19-31; Colossians 2:13-14; and 1 John 1:7 & 9, the Catholic Church teaches that there is a temporary place of suffering (due to a lack of a complete cleansing of sin) for those who die "in Christ."

All who die in God's grace and friendship, but still imperfectly purified, are indeed assured of their eternal salvation; but after death they undergo purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven. (CCC, p. 268, #1030)

The Church gives the name Purgatory to this final purification of the elect, which is entirely different from the punishment of the damned. (CCC, p. 268, #1031)

Purgatory is a state or condition on which the souls of the just, who die with the stains of sins, are cleansed before they are admitted to heaven. (Question and Answer Catholic Catechism, p. 82, Question 316)

Stains of sin means the temporal punishment still due to venial or forgiven mortal sins. If the punishment has not been satisfied before death, a person must suffer in purgatory to pay this debt which is owed to the divine Majesty. (ibid., Question 317)

The sufferings of purgatory are more intense than any suffering on earth. (ibid., Question 320)

Catholics attempt to justify this teaching, which is nowhere taught in the Word of God, with 1 Corinthians 3:15. But, here one's "work" is being burned, not the person. Plus, sin is not in view, but rather attempts in building the kingdom of God (1 Corinthians 3:12-17).


The Catholic's fable of purgatory rejects true faith (and trust) in God's forgiveness (Psalm 103:11-18). Hebrews 4:11 says, "Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest." Catholics do not enter His rest (Hebrews 4:9-10; 1 Peter 1:13), because they render not the blood of Christ sufficient to completely cleanse them from all unrighteousness (1 John 1:9). A supposed purgatory awaits them for a final cleansing. For those whose faith is in the finished work of Christ (John 19:30), the Lord Jesus "has perfected forever those who are being sanctified." (Hebrews 10:14)

F. Suicide

Grave psychological disturbances, anguish, or grave fear of hardship, suffering, or torture can diminish the responsibility of the one committing suicide.

We should not despair of the eternal salvation of persons who have taken their own lives. By ways known to him alone, God can provide the opportunity for salutary repentance. The Church prays for persons who have taken their own lives. (CCC, p. 550, #2282 & 2283)

This goes directly against Matthew 24:13; John 15:1-6; Romans 11:22; 1 Corinthians 15:2; Colossians 1:23; Hebrews 3:6, 14; 12:25; and 1 John 5:4. Committing suicide is not enduring to the end (Matthew 24:13). It is not abiding in Christ (John 15:1-6). It is not continuing in His goodness (Romans 11:22). It is not holding fast the word (1 Corinthians 15:2). It is definitely being moved away from the hope of the gospel (Colossians 1:23). It is not holding fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm to the end (Hebrews 3:6). It is not holding the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end (Hebrews 3:14). It is refusing and turning away from Him who speaks from heaven (Hebrews 12:25). And, it is not overcoming the world (1 John 5:4), but rather being overcome by the world and the devil (1 Peter 5:8; 1 John 5:18).

Besides being a comforting lie for those still living, this Catholic teaching on suicide opens wide the door of death and Hades (Luke 16:19-31; Revelation 20:11-15) to those in despair. This is certainly a damning lie.

VI. Ignorance

Many Catholics claim ignorance (and are often ignorant) of what their Catholic Church teaches. This is not to their advantage as they may think. Ignorance is not an asset, but a deficit, as Ephesians 4:17-18 illustrates.

This I say, therefore, and testify in the Lord, that you should no longer walk as the rest of the Gentiles walk, in the futility of their mind, having their understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God, because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart.

What alienates the ungodly Gentiles from the life of God? It is "the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart." Catholics are blind. Some to their own religion, and all to the light of the glory of the gospel of Christ (2 Corinthians 4:4). Their only hope is to repent from not loving the truth, and to turn to the Truth, Christ, the Word of God, i.e. the Scripture (Hebrews 4:12-13).

http://www.atruechurch.info/catholicism.html

rc's say when they pray to the saints, they are not undermining Christ's role as sole mediator

1Ti 2:5  For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

^^^ as you can see rc's are blinded and don't believe God's word:
2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.




rc's pray the rosary, they pray the hail mary 50 times in one go
and they say that's not praying repetitively

Mat 6:7  But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

^^^ as you can see when rc's lie they are just speaking naturally:
Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

dumb people believe anything their fake churches tells them: rc's, jw's, etc.

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C. Mary Worship

"The Churches devotion to the Blessed Virgin is intrinsic to Christian worship." (CCC, p. 253, #971)

Although Catholics may deny they worship Mary, they nonetheless do worship her (1 Timothy 4:2). And, being that she is not God, this is therefore idolatry (worship of someone or something other than God, Deuteronomy 5:7; Psalm 96:5) and demonic (Leviticus 17:7; Deuteronomy 32:17; 2 Chronicles 11:15; Psalm 106:37; 1 Corinthians 10:20-21; Revelation 9:20). Pope John Paul II epitomized this Mary worship. In the book, Crossing The Threshold Of Hope, by "His Holiness John Paul II," the chapter entitled, "The Mother of God" begins and ends with these two paragraphs.

The renewal of Marian Theology and devotion - in continuity with Catholic tradition - is another distinctive characteristic of the teaching and pastoral activity of John Paul II. Totus Tuus ("I am completely yours, O Mary"] is the motto you chose for your papacy. (p. 212)

I think what I have said sufficiently explains the Marian devotion of the present Pope and, above all, his attitude of total abandonment to Mary - his Totus Tuus. (p. 215)

Mary is given the title of "Advocate" (CCC, p. 252, #969), a title only Christ is given in Scripture (1 John 2:1), and she is stated to be one who not only intercedes, but also brings "gifts of eternal salvation" (ibid.). Acts 4:12 says,

Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.

What is this name? It is Jesus Christ of Nazareth (Acts 4:10; Philippians 2:9-11), not Mary (Mark 3:31-35; Luke 11:27-28).

rcc say:
Our prayer to the saints in heaven, asking for their prayers for us, and their intercession with the Father do not undermine Christ's role as sole Mediator (1 Timothy 2:5). (Pillar of Fire, Pillar of Truth, p. 21)

reply:
Here again, they speak lies in hypocrisy (1 Timothy 4:2). Yes it does "undermine Christ's role as sole Mediator." It completely denies that "there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus" (1 Timothy 2:5). Prayers to the saints to make "intercession" creates many mediators (intercessors) in the heavens between God and men, which the Bible nowhere teaches. In truth, for those who follow the true Christ, we have the Son of God Himself. We need (nor want) no other (Ephesians 1:3; Colossians 2:8-10; 2 Peter 1:3).

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IV. Idolatry

Besides the idolatry of a false god/Christ (the Catholic god being reduced to a piece of bread), Catholicism is further entrenched in idolatry in the veneration of the saints. Their idolatry is found both in giving homage to images (idols), and praying to angels or "saints" (many of whom are Catholic people who have died in their sins, thus they are praying to dead people who are presently burning in hell, e.g. Luke 16:19-31).

A. Prayer To Saints

Prayer is a form of worship. Biblically, it is either wrongfully used in the worship of false gods (idols, e.g. Isaiah 44:17; 45:20) or the worship of the one true God (directly to Him, e.g. Psalm 17). Therefore, despite the Catholic denial that they are worshipping those they are praying to (angels and saints), they are nonetheless worshipping them.

In the Catechism of the Catholic Church, speaking in the context of the saints it says,

"We can and should ask them to intercede for us and for the whole world." (p. 645, #2683).

Catholic Answers writes,

Our prayer to the saints in heaven, asking for their prayers for us, and their intercession with the Father do not undermine Christ's role as sole Mediator (1 Timothy 2:5). (Pillar of Fire, Pillar of Truth, p. 21)

Here again, they speak lies in hypocrisy (1 Timothy 4:2). Yes it does "undermine Christ's role as sole Mediator." It completely denies that "there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus" (1 Timothy 2:5). Prayers to the saints to make "intercession" creates many mediators (intercessors) in the heavens between God and men, which the Bible nowhere teaches. In truth, for those who follow the true Christ, we have the Son of God Himself. We need (nor want) no other (Ephesians 1:3; Colossians 2:8-10; 2 Peter 1:3).

Therefore He is also able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them. (Hebrews 7:25; Romans 8:34)

More from an article here: http://www.atruechurch.info/catholicism.html
which is in line with the opening post "Catholicism's SHOCKING Attitude Toward The Bible!"


II. A False Gospel

Besides rejecting the gospel of God (Romans 9:6-22) in regards to predestination ("God predestines no one to hell;" CCC, p. 270, #1037), the Catholic Church has created their own gospel of "sacraments." In this also they speak lies in hypocrisy (1 Timothy 4:2). They deem Muslims as having salvation (see below), but Muslims do not practice these sacraments. In the Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC) on page 292 under #1129 the following is written:

The Church affirms that for all believers the sacraments of the New Covenant are necessary for salvation. (italics in original)

What are these "sacraments" that are necessary for salvation?

There are seven sacraments in the Church: Baptism, Confirmation or Chrismation, Eucharist, Penance, Anointing of the Sick, Holy Orders, and Matrimony. (CCC, p. 289, #1113; see also p. 311, #1210)

This is the tradition of men (Matthew 15: 8-9; Colossians 2:8-10), not the doctrine of Christ (2 John 9). Scripture nowhere teaches any such sacraments necessary for salvation. What is necessary for salvation is faith in the Lord Jesus Christ (the Word, John 1:1; Revelation 19:13). As John 3:36 says,

He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him. (John 3:36)

In the case of baptism, indeed Biblical "baptism now saves us" (1 Peter 3:21), but it is "not the removal of filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God" (1 Peter 3:21). Catholic baptism profits no one (1 Timothy 4:1-3).

III. A False Christ

One of the above "sacraments" "necessary for salvation" is the Eucharist, a false Jesus.

In the most blessed sacrament of the Eucharist "the body and blood, together with the soul and divinity, of our Lord Jesus Christ and, therefore, the whole Christ is truly, really, and substantially contained." (italics in original, CCC, p. 346, #1374)

In other words, the bread literally becomes Jesus' body and the wine literally becomes his blood.

It is by the conversion of the bread and wine into Christ's body and blood that Christ becomes present in this sacrament. (CCC, p. 346, #1375)

At the heart of the Eucharist celebration are the bread and wine that, by the words of Christ and the invocation of the Holy Spirit, become Christ's Body and Blood. (CCC, p. 336, #1333)

The signs of bread and wine become, in a way surpassing understanding, the Body and Blood of Christ; (CCC, p. 336, #1333)

Only validly ordained priests can preside at the Eucharist and consecrate the bread and the wine so that they become the Body and Blood of the Lord. (CCC, p. 355, #1411)

The Catholics call this "transubstantiation" (CCC, p. 347, #1376), and claim it is the "true Body" and "true Blood" of Christ.

"That in this sacrament are the true Body of Christ and his true Blood is something that 'cannot be apprehended by the senses,' says St. Thomas, 'but only by faith, . . . (CCC, p. 348, #1381)

What is meant by the "true Body" and "true Blood" of Christ? The same literal body and blood that was hung on the cross some 2000 years ago!

In the Eucharist Christ gives us the very body which he gave up for us on the cross, the very blood which he "poured out for man for the forgiveness of sins." (CCC, p. 344, #1365)

The Eucharist is most important in the life of the Church because it is Jesus Christ. It is the incarnation continued in space and time. (Question and Answer Catholic Catechism, question 1212, p. 244, by John A. Hardon, copyright 1981)

Catholic Answers goes so far as to say,

After the consecration of the bread and wine, no bread or wine remains on the altar. Only Jesus himself, under the appearance of bread and wine, remains. (Pillar of Fire, Pillar of Truth, p. 17)

As should be seen from the above, the wafer and the wine is the Catholic Jesus. And this Catholic Jesus (a piece of bread and some wine) is worshipped. This is idolatry. God is not a piece of bread (Isaiah 46:5). Bread should not be worshipped (Deuteronomy 5:7). Catholics believe otherwise.

Is Jesus Christ present in the Eucharist as long as the species remain? Yes, Jesus Christ is present in the Eucharist as long as the species remain. Therefore, we worship the Blessed Sacrament as we would worship the person of Jesus Himself. (Question and Answer Catholic Catechism, question 1227, p. 246-247, John A. Hardon)

Worship of the Eucharist. In the liturgy of the Mass we express our faith in the real presence of Christ under the species of bread and wine by, among other ways, genuflecting or bowing deeply as a sign of adoration of the Lord. (CCC, p. 347, #1378)

The Church and the world have a great need for Eucharistic worship. Jesus awaits us in this sacrament of love. Let us not refuse the time to go to meet him in adoration, . . . (CCC, p. 348, #1380)

This false god and false Christ is the result of some serious twisting (2 Peter 3:16) and adding (Proverbs 30:5-6) to the words of Christ. In 1 Corinthians 11:23-26 Paul wrote,

For I received from the Lord that which I also delivered to you: that the Lord Jesus on the same night in which He was betrayed took bread; and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, "Take, eat; this is My body which is broken for you; do this in remembrance of Me." In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me." For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord's death till He comes.

This bread and "drink" is for "remembrance", not "substantial presence" as the CCC (Catechism of the Catholic Church) proclaims.

. . . it is a substantial presence by which Christ, God and man, makes himself wholly and entirely present. (CCC, p. 346, #1374)

Scripture nowhere says what the Catholics teach. Nowhere does the Word of God say anything about the bread (or wine) becoming anything. In fact, in John 6:53 where Jesus said, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you," even here, Jesus lets us know He is not speaking of His literal body and blood.

It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life. (John 6:63; see also Matthew 4:4)

Nonetheless, this Eucharistic worship (worship of a piece of bread) is the centerpiece of the Catholic way.

The Eucharist is the heart and summit of the Church's life, . . . (CCC, p. 355, #1407)

In brief, the Eucharist is the sum and summary of our faith: "Our way of thinking is attuned to the Eucharist, and the Eucharist in turn confirms our way of thinking." (CCC, p. 334, #1327)

Furthermore, in the celebration of this Eucharist (the Mass), the Catholic false Christ is continually offered up as a sacrifice.

The Eucharist is thus a sacrifice because it re-presents (makes present) the sacrifice of the cross, . . . (CCC, p. 344, #1366)

The sacrifice of Christ and the sacrifice of the Eucharist are one single sacrifice: "The victim is one and the same: the same now offers through the ministry of priests, who then offered himself on the cross; only the manner of offering is different." "In this divine sacrifice which is celebrated in the Mass, the same Christ who offered himself once in a bloody manner on the alter of the cross is contained and is offered in an unbloody manner." (CCC, p. 344, #1367)

This is completely contrary to Hebrews 7:26-27; 9:25-28; and 10:11-14.

Moreover, according to Catholics, forgiveness of sins (for both the living and the dead) comes through this false Christ (the Eucharist) and this false sacrifice (the Mass).

Holy Communion separates us from sin. The body of Christ we receive in Holy Communion is "given up for us," and the blood we drink "shed for the many for the forgiveness of sins." For this reason the Eucharist cannot unite us to Christ without at the same time cleansing us from past sins and preserving us from future sins: (CCC, p. 351, #1393)

The Eucharist sacrifice is also offered for the faithful departed who "have died in Christ but are not yet wholly purified," (CCC, p. 345, #1371)

This is in opposition to Romans 8:1, "There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus," Hebrews 9:12, ". . . with His own blood He entered the Most Holy Place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption", and Hebrews 10:14, "For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified."

From an article here: http://www.atruechurch.info/catholicism.html
which is in line with the opening post "Catholicism's SHOCKING Attitude Toward The Bible!"



Roman Catholicism Leads To Hell

See also our report on the Douay-Rheims Bible.

Its total membership in the early 1990s was about 958.4 million (about 17 percent of the world population). The church has its greatest numerical strength in Europe and Latin America but also has a large membership in other parts of the world. ("Roman Catholic Church," Microsoft® Encarta® Encyclopedia 2000.)

As the above quote depicts, masses of people are in the grip of the Roman Catholic Church. This is a death grip. If it is not broken by coming "to the knowledge of the truth" (1 Timothy 2:4), it will lead them to unending torture in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone where unbelieving idolaters go (Revelation 21:8]. On the inside dust jacket of Pope John Paul's book, Crossing The Threshold Of Hope (copyright 1994, Alfred A. Knopf, Inc., New York), the Pope's message is, "Be not afraid!" Catholics have much to fear (Luke 12:4-5; Mark 9:42-48].

Whether or not a Catholic is familiar with Catholicism's destructive heresies, the Catholic is nonetheless following a "stranger" (i.e. Catholicism) and not Christ (John 10:5). Roman Catholicism is a false religion with deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons (1 Timothy 4:1-3), a false gospel, a false Jesus, idolatry, and damning lies.

I. Deceiving Spirits and Doctrines of Demons

Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron, forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. (1 Timothy 4:1-3)

In this text that describes those who have departed from the faith and given heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, there are only two teachings given ("forbidding to marry" and "to abstain from foods"] by which to identify the ones to whom this text applies. The Roman Catholic Church practices both identifying marks.

A. Forbidding To Marry

In the official Catechism of the Catholic Church (Libreria Editrice Vaticana, copyright 1994, Ignatius Press, San Francisco, CA) on page 395 under #1580, speaking in the context of "priests" it states:

In the East as in the West a man who has already received the sacrament of Holy Orders can no longer marry.

It is well known that both priests and nuns are forbidden to marry. Yet, Scripture condemns such a practice in 1 Timothy 4 and identifies those who practice this as ungodly wicked people (1 Timothy 4:1-3). Despite this clear declaration of the Word of God, Catholic Answers (a Catholic apologetic ministry, P. O. Box 199000, San Diego, CA 92159; 619-387-7200; www.catholic.com) has produced a tract entitled "Celibacy and the Priesthood" in which they attempt to justify the unholy ways of the Catholic Church. In this tract, they write, ". . . the Catholic Church does not forbid anyone to marry." But then, "speaking lies in hypocrisy" (1 Timothy 4:2) in the next paragraph they state,

It is true that Catholic priests in the West may not be married, but no one is obliged to become a priest.

Marriage is not forbidden to them as human beings, but as priests.

It is still forbidden! 1 Timothy 4:3 simply says, "forbidding to marry", not "forbidding to marry as human beings." Earlier (in the first paragraph of the tract) they admit (speaking in the context of the "Eastern Rites"],

Once ordained, though, an unmarried priest may not marry, and a married priest, if widowed, may not remarry.

B. To Abstain From Foods

Jovian P. Lang, OFM, in his book entitled Dictionary of the Liturgy (copyright 1989, Catholic book publishing Co. N.Y.) on page 11 writes under "Abstinence,"

Refraining from eating meat or food prepared with meat on certain days as commanded by the church, to remind us of Jesus' redeeming Death (on a Friday), to prepare for the celebration of certain feasts, to win heavenly graces, and to practice the virtue of penance (to atone for sin and for help in the firm purpose of amendment). "Days of abstinence" in the United States include Ash Wednesday, Good Friday and Fridays of Lent." On other Fridays of the year, all are exhorted to perform acts of devotion, self-denial, and charity in the spirit of piety and penance, and particularly for peace; abstinence from meat is especially recommended but under no obligation by law. Canon Law for the world prescribes abstinence on all Fridays (Canon 1251).

Mr. Lang acknowledges here that the Catholic Church does command to "abstain from foods" (1 Timothy 4:3). Catholic "Canon Law" (the official law of the Catholic Church) makes such a prohibition.

Canon 1251 - Abstinence from eating meat or another food according to the prescriptions of the conference of bishops is to be observed on Fridays throughout the year unless they are solemnities; abstinence and fast are to be observed on Ash Wednesday and on the Friday of the Passion and Death of Our Lord Jesus Christ. (The Code Of Canon Law: A Text And Commentary, p. 854, copyright 1985 by the Canon Law Society of America, published by Paulist Press, Mahwah, N. J.)

Catholics are "bound" by this law of abstinence.

Canon 1252 - All persons who have completed their fourteenth year are bound by the law of abstinence; (ibid., p. 855).

In other words, they are commanded to not eat meat ("or another food"] on certain days. Worldwide, these days include Ash Wednesday, Fridays of Lent, Good Friday, and every other Friday of the year. For those in the United States, every Friday of the year is no longer obligatory.

The National Conference of Catholic Bishops in their pastoral statement of November 18, 1966 determined the following:

Catholics in the United States are obliged to abstain from the eating of meat on Ash Wednesday and on all Fridays during the season of Lent. They are also obliged to fast on Ash Wednesday and on Good Friday. Self-imposed observance of fasting on all weekdays of Lent is strongly recommended. Abstinence from flesh meat on all Fridays of the year is especially recommended to individuals and to the Catholic community as a whole. (ibid., p. 855)

Ubenedictus:
Long we have told you that even the early church was the Catholic church,

The early church is not the roman catholic church which you belong to
the early church never taught to have statues, the early church never prayed to them
the early church never followed mary but only Jesus

however you uben lie in most posts showing who is the god of your church that you follow

Ubenedictus:
I have noticed that whenever you guys run out of point you jump into attacking mary

pointing out that mary is not to be given any special place in faith is not attacking her
but lie away uben

Ubenedictus:
I won't need to defend the church established by Christ as his body and Bride for all times, she will shine brightly on that day. I only pray you are among those who shine in her.

your church that is filled with pedophiles and child abuse is truly not the church established by Christ
you are deceived by satan the god of the rcc

Ubenedictus:
let the name calling start rolling in.

hey false accuser uben, point out the name calling

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Jerrypolo:
[red] why is my color not working na?? [/color]

you probably worked it out by now, put color=red in first box

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put size=12 in the first box

Silvertrinity:
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Babacele:
I'm not new to your insults and hatred for truth....you who could support Daesh in the name of God because it is written in the Bible but condemn same Daesh when it involves Islam cant freak me a bit.

i'm certinally not new to your continued lies baba, they seem to be all you know, post after post
as for your daesh nonsense, it's just more lies and off topic accusations from you, taking after your god:

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.



baba, point out the insults and hatred for truth in my posts:

johnw74:
analice i wasn't confused or lacking in understanding of your plain words
it's very easy to see that "he" is referring to "man"

even in grammar:
"he" is a pronoun, and as such it refers to the closest previous noun "man"


if it was Jesus who lost the kingdom as baba confusingly thinks you said
then it would be Jesus who needs to be restored to it
and not "man", as you said

and baba said "you" were speaking ignorantly

johnw74:
you need to go back and read the posts, i agreed with analice against
babacele's confusion of what analice had said

MiddleDimension:
(johnw74 is actually one of those opposing you on this topic)

you need to go back and read the posts, i agreed with analice against
babacele's confusion of what analice had said

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