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KingEbukasBlog:
I told you in all honesty that I dont know if I will or not . Only God knows just like He evidently did in the case of Abraham .

hahahaha all of a sudden you no longer own your own will or volition...Quite funny.. You know something is fishy when someone do not know his own capabilities….this means you deny owning your own volition.

well we all have seen it here... i like the way you danced from denying the question to "i don't know"

shows we are making progress

KingEbukasBlog:
You are asking two different questions , from the context of my explanations

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2.

Anyway , If I were Abraham I dont know if I will accept or refuse . Only God , as an all knowing entity , knows if I will accept or refuse . God knows your type of person and understands the limit of trials you can take . Everyone is different . God understands why He chose Abraham and then made His "test" extreme

Prrrrrrrrf Just Negodu... I like the way you dodge questions, you no longer know if you would do it or not, i thought Abraham's actions were the right one i wonder why you are dodging from following his examples....

Please we are not talking about who is different or not, the question is "If you are the one asked to sacrifice your son or anybody related to you, what would you do?

like me answer what i would say if i was the one "No fu_ck you, am not doing it, i cannot do it and i will not because i find it wrong and barbaric" its a simple answer, we all know what we are capable of doing or not so please stop the dangling like CoolUsername once used and simply answer the question..

"would you do it or not?" this is so simple

KingEbukasBlog:
Again bro ... we explained that He is being celebrated for his faith and obedience and the correlation of the story with Jesus' life and purpose .

Why was his act justifiable

>>Its bad to take Mum's meat from the pot without her knowledge but if Mum tells you to go ahead then its right <<

God is an embodiment of good moral standards . He is God creator of all . He says do not kill - as one of his laws to mankind . But still commanded Abraham to kill his son . Abraham deemed the act as JUSTIFIABLE because God told him to do so . God knew from the onset that He will obey as an all knowing entity but the significance was the obedience and faith Abraham exhibited and then the correlation with Christ's life and purpose centuries later - evidently shown in the bible .

It was a one time thing with a purpose which I've reiterated again .

As an atheist who does not believe in God , you are seeing things differently which I understand but you have failed to admit that you have done so .

That's why you think you are asking me a reasonable question . As an atheist which you are it is , as a Christian which I am with the accepted biblical interpretations and that event NOTED in the bible many times , you are not asking a reasonable question.

Seriously , you have to understand this time around .. ah ah

I have never seen such an epic dodge in my life you think his actions were justified at the same time running away from answering what you would do in that situation..

a very simple question Since according to you Abraham did the right thing attempting to murder his son, what would you have done in that same situation.. Do it or refuse

I thought it was supposed to be simple since you know which is the right one we understand the dodge bro, we really do

CoolUsername:
God's behaviour shows that he's not perfect. In fact, the biblical God acts exactly like a human with superpowers. He follows the thought patterns of primitive men. This is because he was created by primitive men.

Also, I started answering those questions. But then I realized that the original author of the questions didn't know what he was talking about. He talked about obscure theories that had no way of disproving the evolution theory. I thimk his aim was to make evolutionists lose interest since they'll have to do so much research.

I'm a well-read guy not a supergenius who knows every obscure theory that may or may not relate to evolution.

KingEbukasBlog:
Roftl ... come on ... you said it was a barbaric act . Who were involved in the story ? God , Abraham and Isaac .

As an atheist why should God's behaviour be a problem since you are sure He does not exist . I dont complain when Santa Claus does not enter Nigeria during Christmas (Now you should get it , I hope)

Stay classy bro ...

Surely enough you didn't read the OP just trying to argue out of point totally out from the OP.

" The OP was on the Character Abraham and the the mindless celebration of
such despicable figure "

It was as simple as ABC.. Was Abraham sane at all attempting to murder his son to prove a point..

and the question remains If you were in Abraham's shoe would you have done same or refused ... We understand the epic dodging

I have given enough attention to this "Out of points" i'm well above... Let me stay classy

KingEbukasBlog:
It means you have a problem with the behaviour and not the existence . Atheism is the disbelief in God/gods not having a problem with what He does with His people .

We Christians have explained what it means , I think the thread should be closed because your goal has already been defeated

And Abraham just became God..

Hahahahahaha abeg ok ok this is just so funny to watch ...

crusadistic:
It will all make sense if you believe in God,but since you don't,there is really no point trying to argue with you @johnnydon22

KingEbukasBlog:
ok ... if that's what makes you happy . So how does your OP preclude God's existence You didnt answer that

Hahahahaha the OP was not about the existence or inexistence of any God, in fact it never mentioned that premise.

The OP was on the Character Abraham and the the mindless celebration of such despicable figure not whether any God exists or not..

Common mehn you got to learn "Premises as regards discussions" not go pull out unrelated topics from no where to derail the subject at hand..

CoolUsername:
Why is Hell so dark when it's literally on fire?

You can imagine the imbecility of this retarding beliefs ...

KingEbukasBlog:
Dodging a question ? Its like forcing the teacher in a physics class to answer a question pertaining economics . You are asking the wrong question because its not relevant in any way or form .

Apparently , you are obdurate about your opinion even after the explanations have been made . You didn't do your homework bro . You never paid attention to significance of the event - the exhibition of faith and obedience and its correlation to the life of Christ .

As a smart guy , I expected you to ask how and why , what if etc but off course your intentions are now so clear

I think my explanations were succinct and cogent , you just chose to ignore them

Hahahahaha this is so funny... Epic dodge

Amberon:
playing victim, really? and you think Islam recognizes Abraham? smh! you do know what Judaism is yh?

Chai

HCpaul:
A 6 YEAR OLD BOY IN HELL




I saw a little boy in hell fire,
the demons were tormenting the
boy with spears. When the boy
saw us, he cried for help to take
him out of the fire, but the Lord
said, "I AM NOT THE GOD OF
THE DISOBEDIENT”. This boy was
very rude while he was on earth,
he would always disturb his
parents during the time of the
pastors messages. Whenever his
parent corrected him, he would
shout at them. He became sick
and died, now he is in hell
forever. The Lord says, "NO
DISOBEDIENT CHILD WILL
INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF
GOD". [Ephesians 6:1-2]

Amberon:
atheists are a confused set of humans. They rather dwell on Christianity than promote their falsehood.

KingEbukasBlog:
Killing one's son is an impossible and despicable task but actually since its God - the embodiment of good moral standards - Abraham deemed it justifiable .

Its ambiguous - a two way interpretation . His action - obedience and faith - is exemplary to Christians and then its correlation to Christ's purpose for man kind ,

With this understanding , God can't tell me to kill my son or go have sex with a random chick

Lmao.. It remains no matter the wriggles that it can never be justifiable because we could then conclude the women in the OP also are justified.

blind obedience and mindless conformity to any authority will always remain an enemy of truth and morality.. Doing what is right is and always be better than obedience.

In what ever way you interpret it will never make such an act justifiable or make it a true example worthy of emulation.

If Abraham rather said "No i cannot bring myself to kill a child talk more of my own son" then that would have been an impressive stance worthy of emulation..

I like the way you keep dodging the question, if you really think Abraham was justified and his actions a good example, you wouldn't be dodging to answer, after all if you Obey God you are automatically Justified God told Abraham didn't he?

would you obey or not?

KingEbukasBlog:
God is an all knowing entity , so why should He test Abraham when fully He knew Abraham would carry the task ? Was it really a test ? Or did the event happen for a purpose ? And if you understand the correlation between the story and the life of Jesus you'd understand why the event happened . Abraham’s obedience after being pushed to wall provided an example for us to follow. He was given what seemed an impossible task and he obeyed . And again , the Old Testament story of Abraham is the basis of the New Testament teaching of the atonement, the sacrificial offering of the Lord Jesus on the cross for the sin of mankind.

So you are asking the wrong question because you don't understand the significance of the story . Pay attention to the word "significance" and then the statements in bold

urheme:
Bravo Johnnydon,

This thread must make FP.

I havee said it severly that these Bible characters being magnified as faithfuls are barbarians.

Abraham, moses isaac elijah and the gangs alike are terrorist.........a wicked creature with no name.....The one Called Moses has really baffled the devil....he recruited a gang of thieves who specialise in stealing and sharing female virgins....

Ride on johnny, we are behind you jare.

KingEbukasBlog:
Atheists like North Korea's Kim feed humans to dogs . Why haven't you addressed such barbarism . Why are you always disingenuous ?
The story celebrates the significance of faith and obedience
Do you know also know that there is a correlation between the story of the Abraham and his son Issac with Jesus' ?

CoolUsername:
It's fun to watch them dance around the difficult questions like a toddler who's holding pee.

Liljeez:
As we knw,The smith cloud was ejected abt 70 million years...this was discovered in the 1960s through complex calculations...as at that time it was just an amorphous ball of gas....earlies scientists didnt really give it most thought,they initially thought it was a failed galaxy....just recently it gained some attention when it was discovered thru the hubble telescope that it was coming back...theres no particular reason now as to why it left the milky way but scientists are postulating that an enormous force blasted it out

Some postulate its a remnant of the milky way formation.

Well its pay back time

onetrack:
As usual, the late great Christopher Hitchens nails it. Here he is talking about what he would have done if he were in Abraham's place.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVoloVvsupM

"No fu_ck you" hahaha epic answer which will be exactly what any sane human would say.

Egbon yahweh If you want the boy, come and take him make i see

CoolUsername:
Scholar8200, you're defending this story, right? So, let me ask you point-blank, if God asked you to kill a loved one, would you do it?

Scholar8200:
The emphasis here is that the man in question had already resigned to fate and was not anticipating the coming of a son through Sarah. What makes this a miracle is that 1. GOD promised it and Abraham believed that promise; 2. Apart from that, Sarah was not only very old but as barren as a brick! . (that's why at 75, Abraham had Ishmael through Hagar).

Like I said, there was demonstrable basis for Abraham's faith in God. Considering his reaction when he had to dismiss Ishmael, you can tell that he was a real father who loved his kids. However, the second passage I quoted showed that Abraham knew even if he killed Isaac, it would not be the end; a rather foolhardy effort not different from expecting a child from a barren,dead womb!

LoJ:
Hello My Brother. What you wrote is just a marvel, a classic piece of morality and love.

The suggestion to kill the life of any innocent fellow human being, even if he is not your child, can't be consistent with Justice, nor with love, both characteristics ascribed to God.

I personally know there is God. But it is in my perception a billions times better to be atheistic than to suggest that any loving and righteous God demanded someone to kill his son/daughter. Such a suggestion ridicule any concept of justice and would prove any such God to be either imperfect and or unrighteous, and in both cases, unworthy to be worshiped nor to be obeyed.

If a god ask people to kill, what would a devil do?

Anything that is not consistent with Justice and Love can not and should not in my perception be ascribed to any deity. God never asked anyone to kill, steal or destroy.

Scholar8200:
But would he have been locked up today in a mental institution for believing GOD's promise of a son when he and his wife where decades past childbearing, and yet they had a son?

Psylas:
is it the same with PDF Reader

Osirimononaye:
*Mouth Opens*.....Space En-Cy-Clo-Pe-Dia bet why na