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timonski:
Anyway, who can integrate x^x dx?

You can join us at the science discussion thread

NumberOne2:
Same way Jesus 12 disciples are copied from the 12 zodiac signs? Same way Jesus story is copied from Horus?
I laugh. You call it copying, I call it common ancestory. I have proof of common ancestory, you have NO proof of copying. SO?

Lol. . . Let us consider timeline of the stories... How can you even compare the jesus and zodiac ish to this. . .

First in the sumerian deluge where their flood story is recorded; A man ziusudra over heard the gods planning to destroy the world and he built a vessel to survive. this was written within 2200-2100 BC and which also believed to have older stories that predates this

then a similar story emerges with a similar theme and style of the same flood story only that this time the name was different.
The babylonian Gilgamesh tale where Gilgamesh built the boat at the command of the god ea.. . a copy of the story in cunei form dates 2000-1400BC.

then let me bring in the jewish version then, similar theme and motif to the two above only that this time it was a man named noah and a god yahweh commanded him and this story was dated 650-450BC

Let me stop with these three examples. . . These three stories of exact theme written at drastic different times. . Its either the three writers experienced three different flood events or its just a transfer of cultural mythology.

The jews believe their ancestor (abraham) to be from Ur in mesopotamia.

Babylonian civilization is also an offshoot of sumerian (mesopotamian) civilization. . . so these stories are just copies of the same mythology reworked in each culture.

Unless you mean to tell me that the scribe that wrote the noah story also saw another global flood...

timonski:
So many cultures from totally different times and locations believe in the 'god of lightning'. Therefore Thor exists.

The thing is there was no global flood, the only flooding scientifically speculated happened due to the melt of the north pole ice . . Basically in the northern hemisphere of the planet not a global event, and that event predates all these civilizations.

So the thing now as they fail to understand is; Atheist are not even arguing if there is a flood or not. . Atheist are saying that the jewish Noah fable alongside other young mythologies copied from older Sumerian mythologies, and all the events attributed to the flood like the god ea telling gilgamesh to build a boat are just fictions and not actual events . . which is a very clear truth, its no coincidence. .

For where Mike Tyson deh, may weather na moi moi....

Na may weather punch sure pass

mmsen:
No one is born a Christian or a Muslim.

exactly, it's the parents that indoctrinate children into their respective religions.

chalantmike:
no i wouldnt, my parents are a Christian, the whole Christian nine yards, but am not, not remotely a Christian, theist, i just dont get the Christian thingy.

What were you at the starting point of your life. . during your childhood stage?

Hahahahahahaha your pride this, your pride that. . . there is nothing someone will not see oo

obiZEAL:
Its even more disturbing that some so called educated folks still believe and propagate this insanity!
The latest and also one of the most surprising i've heard was a Phd holder explaining to us in class how it was impossible for the witches in his village to follow him to the UK where he went to study...can't remember the reason he gave cos I was consumed by my anger, but I overheard him saying something about the witches not being able to fly pass the atlantic ocean.
It will take decades before we can purge our self of this superstition.

its a pity my brother

finofaya:
You're the one who boldly wrote folklore on it and went ahead to put it in /religion. I'm glad you know the meaning of folklore.

Lol. Just say thank you for my help.

so folklore posted on the religion section automatically becomes a religious text **Face palm**

finofaya:
Who said folklore implies religious text?

If you didn't you wouldn't have asked me questions on it based on religious context even after seeing folklore boldly written on it . . .Your words below says it all.

Now that I've managed to get you to clarify yourself, no.

You see, when you couldn't distinguish between folklore and religious belief. . .How am i sure you wouldn't brand me an adherent of egyptian religion when i open the thread which will be based on egyptian religious text mythology.

finofaya:
nairaland.com/religion. If one didn't know better they would think you put it here because you wanted to share any religious aspect of it.

Lol. . .Just to be clear thats a blatant misconception because first of all last time i checked folklore doesn't imply religious text..

I posted it on the religious section for audience and viewers entertainment...

I'm sure we can learn a thing or two from the proposed thread on Osiris

Yeah and i hope you don't go thinking that i believe it too

finofaya:
The context is that it is in /religion, but if you insist.

For the sake of argument; Which Religion exactly?

The context is that its just folklore.... Myth and it bears no weight on reality..

i don't know about you but i enjoy mythology and am sure gonna open

a thread on Tribunal of osiris (egyptian concept of judgement) the first

judgement and afterlife concept recorded in history.

which ever way you take it to mean practically is your cup of tea.

finofaya:
Knowledge is not agreement.

You're an atheist. Atheists love objectivity. You spurn the other primitive mythologies you speak of. What is special about this one?

Nothing at all, its still a mythology like others nothing different.. Mythologies are colourful and a great way of entertainment, believing them as truth is exactly what i don't do...am sure if anybody tries to establish this particular myth as truth, i will be here to refute and spurn it.

i love reading them. . so i posted this local indigenous folklore for the so aim of entertainment.


Myths should be taught as myth and fable as fable. .


Am starting to think you couldn't comprehend that. . . Please next time try and understand the context of a post before rushing to bring on a point that is non-existent...

finofaya:
It's in /religion, so I was wondering what the story is for.

it was trying to explain how day and night came to be just like other mythologies try to explain one thing or the other. . how earth came to be, how death came to be and other primitive mythologies.. the pyramid texts, bible, quran are all examples of works that possess such mythologies...


i expected you to know this...

chalantmike:
in time you'll find that you can't really compel anyone to do anything, young or old. Religion is a thing of the mind, where the illogical becomes logic, the unreasonable reasonable. My parents where Christians, grew up with the entire Christian thingy, while the bible is an acceptable doctrine to me, Christianity never made sense.

just like the whole god and religion thing doesn't make sense to you, budha said "EACH INDIVIDUAL SOUL REVELS IT'S OWN TRUTH". the truth is uniquely tailored to each individual. What's totally gibberish to yhu is another individuals truth, vivid to his mind.

In a nut shell, what yhu believe or allow yhur self to believe revels who yhu really are

Mind influencing mind is common, no two minds are equal in strength, its a well known scientific fact.

If your parents were muslims wouldnt you be a muslim?

Muslims: Islam is not a religion, its a way of life

Christians: Christianity is not a religion, its a personal relationship with christ.

Me: You both are drunk

finofaya:
Wetin bring bible inside this one?

There is a satisfactory scientific explanation for night and day.

Uuuuhm i don't get it but maybe you forgot where i said [size=20]Igbo mythology and folklore[/size]

You don't know what those means

Hahahahahahaha i miss as we take deh use cup share am shaa, i no be pikin again o

Macelliot:
Pride.

Hahahahaha ok

Macelliot:
That's what ALL atheists are...
Including you.

All atheists are what?. . intelligent

Macelliot:
Lolz... Birds of thesame feathers!

Seriously, show me where he asserted he is intelligent please?

seemples:
All these atheist johnnydon followers sef....muntula wet blankets

lol abeg wetin happen?

Macelliot:
Shut up!
You aren't intelligent!

Your pride makes you think so....

I looked very hard and i can't find where he asserted he is intelligent on the post you quoted. .

I saw her again today, she looked nice and happier. She was vibrant and now entertained a healthy frame.
The smile on her face when she threw her hands around my waist after i surprisingly bumped into her today as i walked through the overcrowded Ogbete market to buy a new training Jersey.

It seemed like the happiness she wore was passed to me as my face worked into a deep smile that held on in my heart through out the remainder of today that has compelled me to write this, to tell the people who can listen the plight of the African children maimed and accused of witchcraft, My personal encounter with one of them and a call to save young kids going through this same ordeal in our society.

It was sometime ago in February 2015, have being too bored after saying at home through out the day. I stepped out of the house to get fresh air and look around or at least watch the boys that play football on the street miniature field, wasn't a football fan- don't even play football seemed basketball had take my whole being.

There she was seated in a corner on a sack of packed gravel packed beside a wall.
Her face was strange and gloomy, dirty clothes that seemed oversized from every angle.
Haven't seen her before and that was very weird cus i know every single person in our little street right in the bustling sub-urb area in Enugu.

It was nearly 3pm and the afternoon sun wasn't taking it easy on us. I watched the ball for about an hour or two until the fights and constant quarrels over which one is a real goal and which is not which made me loose interest in the game and i made to go home, it was almost 5:00 according to my phone time; There she was still seated at that very corner.

"Emeka come" I called a little boy of about 10 who was chewing away at packet of cheese balls clutched in his hands.

"Eeeeh broda" He answered dreamily still working his teeth on his snacks.

"Who is that small girl there?" I asked him bending largely to even our heights and save him the stress of looking almost 75° to get to my face which towered at almost 6'9ft of my general height.

"Broda that's linda" He said casting a very questioning look at me, maybe surprised at my ignorance of the little figure at the corner
"she have been here since yesterday evening, they said she slept at that shed over there" He sang out in the normal central igbo dialect of Enugu city still busy with his chewing work.

"Can you go and call her for me" I asked

"Broda mba oooo (No ooo)" He retorted

"Why na" i asked in surprise now getting even more interested at the strange figure who from the emeka's behaviour seemed famous to the street folks.

"That linda is an ogbanje, they said she turned into a snake the other time during night vigil and confessed she was an ogbanje from the water, she even stole from the church, tufiakwa" He announced in am oddly shaky voice.

"Ok oya start going" I dismissed emeka who was more than happy to migrate immediately.

I walked up to linda whose face was tiled to the floor maybe looking at her feet or clothes.
I could easily guess her age around 11 or 12, an old hand braided hair, a slim figure and a very dark complexion.

"What are you doing here?" I asked her standing in front of her.

She looked up, her eyes were red and swollen and fading crisp trail of tears ran through her face.

"What are you doing here" I asked more calmly squatting in front of her.

"Nothing" She said taking her eyes off my face.

"Please tell me what the matter is, they told me you slept in that shed last night" I persisted.

"My Aunty was beating me, she wanted to add paper to my eyes and i ran away" She said

"What!!! what did you do?" I blurted out, mouth agape.

"Nothing" she said still not looking at me. "Linda tell me" i insisted she didn't seem surprised that i knew her name or at least she didn't show she was.

"They said i took money from the church donation box" She said

"And did you take the money?" I asked her

She went mute, fingers shakily clasped together caressing each other.

"Ok did you eat since yesterday" I intoned immediately that questioned popped into my head.

"I ate biscuit last night" her eyes sparkled like it was full and ready to pour down more tears.

I almost went dumb, i for one can't stay 12hours without eating but a little girl of this age have not eaten since yesterday almost 24hours.

I took her to my house, warmed the rice and stew i ate in the afternoon gave her a plate of rice and got one for myself too so she would feel comfortable eating it.

I didn't know her but i was intrigued by the story; Turning to a snake, being beaten and threatened to get paper smeared in her eyes.
I am an not superstitious, i don't believe all this spiritual witchry stories but for a moment i imagine what it would be like and how possible it was if she can turn into a snake right there in front of me.

She finished eating and thanked me still acting a bit shy.

"Did you steal that money from the church box?" I brought up the question again.

She took time to explain to me how the treatment she got from her aunty changed after a man of God said she was a witch, her aunty's son became ill and was taken to the hospital for weeks and the woman ran for prayers and was told her maid was the cause that she was a witch whose mission was to destroy the family.

She recounted how she was taken to the Prayer house were she was flogged mercilessly to confess what she was of which the cane marks on her hand said it all, and her aunty's attitude towards her changed drastically, she would use even a razor on her at the slightest provocation, canes were frequent and hunger treatment was a norm

She takes money from the church box sometimes when her aunty refuse to give her food for days until she was caught a few days back.
That her aunty said she talks in her sleep and the pastor said it was when she is on a meeting in her witch coven. That she never turned into a snake that the prayer house said she had a snake spirit and attack people in the spirit with snakes.

I was furious, my anger was because humans living in the this 21st century world could place their judgment over a fetish superstitious concept and subject a little child to such inhumane treatment.

I offered to take her back home to her house which according to her was on the next street behind ours, gave her #500 from the #1000 i had on me which she hid immediately and told her to always come along anytime she was hungry.

Her aunty flared up, i had to beg her not to beat her at least not when i was there, she kept ranting and telling me how the girl was a witch, how she nearly killed her son and all that, how she use to attack her with snakes in her sleep. if only she knew her story just made me feel like punching her right on the face.

She was allowed back into the house and the woman thanked me and i went home still worried.

My parents okayed the idea of her coming to eat at home anytime she felt like after i told them her story and she kept coming sometimes twice in a week till she stopped.

Two months later i heard her aunty had sent her home to her mother until today i got to see her again.

She said she now lived with another people who according to her treated her like a daughter, and were rich.
the genuine smile on her face didn't require anymore explanation and i can't still contain my joy to see she is now in good hands.

[b]Then this takes me to the plight of millions of African children facing this exact predicament just because of people allowing superstitious fear to drive their judgement. This kids are maimed, beaten, starved, mutilated, burnt by the society who had given them an unwarranted tag witch, ogbanje, mami-water, demon and so on... and imbedding this nonsensical superstition on our young children that they too at this tender believe and fear this nonsense is very disturbing to me and it makes me wonder if our generation will ever rid this society of this stupendous belief.

These children are none of these exceptionally stup!d concepts people tag them with, these children need love and acceptance by the society to fit in, they shouldn't be discriminated against or mutilated.

There is nothing wrong with them, they might appear different and act above societal expectations but everyone is not meant to be the same. their difference makes them unique and a wonderful asset to the society if people will understand that all they need is love and acceptance.

My personal experience with linda was just one out a million cases that happen all over Africa, and i hope people will step up and save these children when ever, where ever you find them. what the society are doing to this children is totally wrong and Africa need to change this very archaic superstitiously stupendous ideology.[/b]


This is my personal experience and i Johnydon22 wrote this down today so we might start the stance against this societal evil and stop it....

Johnydon22

If the story is not real, of what use then are our contributions?

kolajamesjnr:
Being an atheist doesn't make 1 a bad person pls

same with being labeled an agent of satan, it still does not make you a bad person..


Belief makes nobody a good person, your behaviour does!!!

crusadistic:
how did people ever believe this shit.no suprises thou when grown adults in this 21st century believe in d nonsense called xtianity.

same way you believe that a sun baked 6th century Arab man was seeing an angel who dictated a book to him

seemples:
This isn't just a folklore oo...if you ever heard the shrill incessant cry of just a single cricket you'll know its definitely bewitched!

Hahahahahahahahaha Crazy Girl . . .