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Scholar8200:
Man's perfection as a creature was not to be possessed independent of God, but in union with God.

God predestinated man's character when HE made him a partaker of His Life (Adam already was alive like other creatures were, before God breathed into his nostrils; he was not created dead) the condition given in Eden was to enable him decide if he wanted it so or not.

Hence after the fall, there was separation from God (death) and a loss of that perfection.

malvisguy212:
let me repeat my self:
"Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man UPRIGHT; but they have sought out many INVENTION" (Ecclesiastes 7:29).
The above Scripture is very clear. God has created men upright, but they have sinned in spite of an upright nature. The corruption come by his own INVENTION

Scholar8200:
I wish you will be more specific! 'something perfect' and 'something imperfect' could be anything the principle of which might not be applicable to the matter at hand.

malvisguy212:
who create the imperfect being? Provide scriptural backing.

malvisguy212:
God is perfect.
Why will a perfect God created an imperfect human?
Answer: God did not create imperfect human, it is human that corrupt there self.freewill indicate every decisions you make is by your OWN freewill.

Scholar8200:
Sorry, who is perfection and who is imperfection?

Scholar8200:
GOD IS PERFECT!!!

malvisguy212:
do freewill imply that everything must be perfect? God say the universe is temporary meaning life will cease to exist some day,this clearly mean God did not create this world to be perfect,evil must exist. The purpose of God creating us is to worship Him or reject Him, eliminate evil mean freewill is partial.

Is god perfect or not

malvisguy212:
bring your proof, you are once a christian, right? And you know the bible very well more than christians, right? Were in the scripture God say " he created this world perfect?"

malvisguy212:
I see!!! You hold the same view of Calvinistic Predestination.they are no different from a cult, stop reading there books.
Calvinistic predestination means that the future is already determined (predestined). The implication is that it doesn't matter what you do, it has already happened. You have no free will.this is unbiblical my friend.

Scripture predestination is where God
pre-determined, not the IDENTITY of
the saved, but the CHARACTER of the
saved.

Romans 8:29-30, "For whom he
did foreknow, he also did
predestinate to be conformed
to the IMAGE OF HIS SON , that he
might be the firstborn among
many brethren. Moreover whom
he did predestinate, them he
also called: and whom he called,
them he also justified: and
whom he justified, them he also
glorified."

Clearly writing.What is foreknown by God in these verses? Personal identity? Or Character, purpose & plan?my friend stop reading cult books.

Secondly. The bible never say the world was created perfect, God only called it GOOD, but certainly we can say ONLY man is perfect because man was created in the image of God.

LET US DO SOME SMALL TEACHING:

"The earth also was CORRUPT
before God, and the earth was
filled with violence. And God
looked upon the earth and
behold it was corrupt; for all
FLESH HAD CORRUPTED HIS WAY
UPON THE EARTH." Genesis 6:11,12.

Alright!! To "corrupt" means to make morally depraved. It means to pervert what is good and upright. It means to make unclean what was once clean. It
means to spoil what was once good and unspoiled. The word corrupt always implies a former state that was unspoiled, clean, good, or upright. It is never used to speak of the original created nature of man. It speaks of what man has BECOME because of spoiling or perverting the nature with which he was created.
Moral beings have never needed a sinful nature to make them sin.

"Lo, this only have I found, that
God hath made man UPRIGHT;
but they have sought out MANY
INVENTION" (Ecclesiastes 7:29).

The above Scripture is very clear. God
has created men upright, but they
have sinned in spite of an upright
nature. they corrupted themselves.

krattoss:
instead of these peeps to think beyond their imagination......
They re all stockpiled like sardine...
I wonder whether africans is under spell not to think thro and fro

malvisguy212:
ANSWERS:
1. God's main goal in creating the universe in which we live was not to make a perfect place for people to live in. God's objective was to create a temporary universe in which free will spiritual beings could make spiritual choices. God's plan for the universe is to allow a large number of these spiritual beings (both angels and humans) to choose to spend eternity with Him. At the appointed time, God will call an end to the present universe and judge those
who reject His invitation. That is the
reason that we are here. We are to
choose to love or oppose God. As Jesus
said above, at least half of the people
will choose to oppose God and to oppose the people who follow Him.

3. Answer to number two is your answer to 3.

You said this:
"Lastly, apart from mythology,
stories,hearsay.....how can iknw that God exists?"
For calling the word of God "myth" you don't need to believe in God because you have reject His word in the first place. Ask your self. Do atheists have proven God did not exist?

malvisguy212:
there is no verse in the bible it's say , God created this world to be perfect.

plaetton:
To say that some civilizations documented something similar to the jews is either the worse form of ignorance or the worst form of dishonesty on your part.

First, the sumerian civilizations predated the hebrew wanderings with about 5000 solid years.

The Egyptian civilization by same or even more yrs.

Babylonian civilization by at least 2000 yrs.

We also read from the bible that Abraham, father Of the hebrews was a citizen of sumerian civilization.

And also that hebrews spent a whopping 400 yrs on Egypt.

And wandered for 40 or more years in Canaan.

And also that same hebrews spent 75 years in Babylon.

Knowing all this, and then saying that another civilization may have possesed, by chance, the same myths as is found in the bible, display a very rare form of either cognitive dissonance or plain dishonesty.

The hebrews were simply master plagerists, who just did simple substitution of their tribal fetish god, yahweh, for the dieties of Ancient Summer, Egypt, Canaan and Babylon.

The rest, they say, is history.

parisbookaddict:
For my science, tech et al discussions I go to reddit.com.. Where the Muslims are few and the topics don't bore me

parisbookaddict:
The only copy and paste was the Coincidences between Lincoln And Kennedy... I often use this to illustrate how epic Coincidences can be...

Cant figure out the rest of ur comment.. This is why I said u haven't developed in your arguments, u still have a lot of knowledge to acquire before I can take u serious as a skeptic..

So Mr atheist run along.. Go watch harry potter and wallow in your ignorance.

Angelou:
but d egyptian priests were fiercely in dispute with that

Angelou:
aken?! Isn't dat d god who pharaoh thotmes tried to replace amon-ra with as his personal god

RobinHez:
6. Why havent we seen pictures of the objects left in the moon like the flag and the spaceships nd others
johnydon2

We have Am sure i mentioned it on my first reply about the satelite in orbit around the moon, all the 9 landings sites and objects have been spotted by the Lunar orbiter . . here read about it https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Lunar_Reconnaissance_Orbiter

Angelou:
bring it on

parisbookaddict:
Like I said, you have every right to your opinion...
If this view makes u sleep better at night then go for it.. It's ur cup of tea..

U are not the first to attack Christianity with lies and personal opinions and u won't be the last..

I choose to write on frauds who invented a religion by copying Christian and Jewish texts and I have written it..

If u want to write on ur fairytale "the foremost counterfeiter all time religion" as u put it, Princess u are free to do so..

Angelou:
haha look at you.... Calling osiris and anubis a boss where amon-ra the bull lies anubis is nt even up 2 osiris, he is simply a minor god (of afterlife judgement) like hept and anukis

RobinHez:
hehe...u could start with blogger @ www.blogger.com or wordpress @ www.. Its pretty easy

like i said, we shouldnt do this here...we shouldnt do it at all sef

This is a science discussion thread. . . You made an assertion, you shouldn't try to shield it from healthy scrutiny and discussion, after all that's all science is all about; when you see a clue you follow it up. .

who knows, You might be the first person to prove that notion

SLIDEwaxie:
for as long as u start a war...pls, I beg, begin another civil war

RobinHez:
Thanks johnydon2 and menesheh

khalhokage:
They had proper sex education, and used that knowledge for something good.

Rilwon:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVeMrbOb1hg