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ShayGirl:
Be careful on d way u utter out words dear..U shud even b grateful he isn't asking of material things other than praise....u go to d hospital, mortuary and other places, maybe that wud give u candid reason enuf to praise him

Just imagine the selfishness... so the people at the hospital and mortuary then, they should praise you instead...

You see anyone who is clamoring for praise and worship is narcissistic, egoistic and proud... and only an insecure individual will be clamoring for praise anywhere they can get it..

roqchiq:
Stop confusing yourselves, the "bible" which you people like to quote is contradictory even in its simplest form. Since the beginning, humans have tried to explain their world and themselves, yet they seem to get more confused. Whether there is God or not, whether you believe or not. The overall message is simple and clear, LOVE (Not the diluted version you guys know). It's preached in every religion, understood in every language, encouraged by every folktale, and practised in every culture. True LOVE, that knows no colour, race, tribe, or religion. The LOVE which is "the beautiful scent that the flower leaves on the heels that crushed it".

I dare you to try it!!!!

Now this is true humanism speaking... i likey

Rightchuks:
He deserves to be praised because of what He has done.

He Created heaven and earth, gave us LIFE and He is still in control of all things. He can kill and He can safe, can you do these things?

SHOW us that you can do these things and more, then we shall praise you.

Google Narcissism

[size=20] No man believes the bible means what it says, they are all convinced it says what they mean [/size]

praisecity:
crossing d road is a choice, and ur choice choosen determine wether u will be hit by a car or nt. Dats nt destiny

exactly that's the point, your life is your choice... what you make of it is your choice, what you do with it is your choice...

so this your god idea of love is "love me or go to hell" thats an abuse you know... Giving someone an option to either love u or u do something bad to them, is blackmail and a forced love, an outright abuse...

If their is anything like destiny/fate, why do you still look before you cross the road, why don't you just cross since if its your destiny/fate to be hit you will be hit if its not then you wont no matter what?

OgagaMic:
yesterday it was Yoruba today na Igbo, , na only Yoruba and Igbo dey naija ?... seun do d needful

God bless Nigeria, God bless SS, God Bless Urhobo

[size=20] Urhobo is wonderfully beautiful, SS is beautiful and great.. you guys are the best... i love you guys.. [/size]

TheWholeTruth:
This guys that send down rain just to wick others ceremony, what will you call that?

Have you ever wondered why they cant do it during the dry season?

because of the absence of rain clouds..

My dad once told me, their is a particular leaf when burnt induces rain when the smoke reaches the sky during the raining season

this is practically very plausible because when silver iodine (Agl) is administered into the cloud (commonly with the help of a plane) it induces rain from the cloud. so these are just clever ways to manipulate nature... People who don't grasp this will certainly call it magic or say it has something to do with spiritual mumbo jumbo.

TheWholeTruth:
Gbam, even those leaf inside the bush can be used to perform evil, combining one or two can cause havoc.

And their is nothing spiritual about these stuffs...a mixture of chlorine and hydrogen can kill u

TheWholeTruth:
Kasala don burst


There is really supernatural powers in this planet. Nature has given us a lot of materials to perform various things.

what did u call it, nature... which means what we have is natural powers.e.g healing someone with herbs

bolaino:
well, you are right, but I am now more of a Gnostic.

Thats good

Ishilove:
Bolaino, you're a very confused fellow. No offence.

One minute you're an atheist, the next you're a fire breathing, bible thumping christian, the next minute you're atheist again?

You better make up your mind on which side of the great divide you wanna perch on.

Dude is a theist, dont confuse that..

ShayGirl:
If humans can't praise him enuf, d bible said he is ready to lift up "stones" that wud praise him.....nt that he wud rise and praise himself....This is to tell u that his creation r to serve d purpose of "praising him"...cos no matter hw u tell urself how beautiful u look, it can never be compared to wen someone else tells u.... So, no matter hw God is worthy enuf to praise himself, he preferred us praising him..With this praise, we r able to push him to d extent of realeasing so much grace on us...

what dah heck is he doing with praises, why is he so keen on being praised that he dont even seem to be praised enough... he will keep u in heaven forever to keep on praising him forever,why is he dat praise mongering?

Rightchuks:
God has created you and I to serve praise Him.
see Isaiah 43:21. ( 21 This people have I formed for myself; they shall shew forth my praise.)

Have you ever wondered why an allegedly all powerful being will require to always be praised and worshipped? that he created humans and angels to get that praise and worship?

Why would something perfect require praise? why would something perfect require to be worshipped? why would something perfect require sacrifice?

I think judging from all these characteristics of the bible god it can easily be deducted have a total/lusty need to be loved, praised, worshipped, adored!!! that he will even threaten to send u to fire if you dont.. Its really an egomaniac and love lust... for what??....

such exhibition of intense love for one's self or ego is narcissism and narcissism is a huge character flaw

malvisguy212:
see, I don't care if you believe me or not, infacte saying this is like asking you to believe in a pagan deity which is against my faith. I witnesses everything and you are hear saying silly things.

hahahahahahahaha why are you getting defensive... i only asked if you were there or not?... simple yes or no...

malvisguy212:
rubbish!!! I have seen with my two naked eyes when I attend calabar carnival with a friend, we decided to. Visit his village on reaching there, there village and neighbouring village are in war,to cut the story short, when my friend villagers were in the farm farming the enemy invade there housing burn it down, the news reach the villagers in the farm, All of them run straight to the village herbalist and the herbalist give them charm and berth them in a very dirty water, after they received the charm, they walk straight to the village were there houses is being burn, at the front is a little boy holding a broom, as the enemy is shooting there guns and arrow ,the little boy was waving the broom and the enemy bullets were stopping in there front ,nothing harm them, I was in far distance I saw this I could not believe my eyes, that day I take the first bus back to kaduna. I witnesses all this bro, charm are real. I have even seen a small boy beat a grown up man with the help of charm.

hahahahahahahahahaha now tell me, after this wonderful tale... you were there with the villagers, you went with them to the farm and was watching as the boy was waving the broom

malvisguy212:
the brother say agnostics christian, this is the first time am hearing this, what does that mean? Does agnostics christian believe in the creation account?

Agnostic christian means he believes in the christian god but doesnt empirically say he is sure their is... He may or may not believe the creation account or any other stories... they are choosy with what they think they believe

lastmessenger:
This guys really needs help. If only this guy will get a good job, get married to a pretty lady and have some kids, he would disappear from nairaland and leave God alone.
Meanwhile if you want to die, buy a sleeping tablet and soak it together with that your last cup of garri, drink it and sleep on. No need of all these.

He worships satan right? a mythical being who is supposed to be the arch enemy of the christian god. now many times christians bash and beef satan, send holy ghost fire and all, this is just his own way of doing same... when you stop doing same to his god then he will stop with yours. its just like words and opposite... yahweh worshippers vs Lucifer worshippers.. you all will basically be bashing yourselves over who has the better imaginary sky daddy... all na wash shaa

skylane:
may God help

Right, thats great... lets see how well that works

skylane:
I don't want to know if u are joking or not but y are u ppl joking with christainity like dis? Salary 4 wot? Pls beware
Its high time we protest against the bashing of our religion on this forum what nonsense

Protest? why dont you just pray for it to stop Am sure prayers can do everything, so pray for the bashings and beefs to stop...

Am in please if the pay is good

Sunnystooth:
Hmm, well said.
Well, from your line of thought. Is it safe for me to say you (Atheist) dont believe in a life after death? Does it mean, when we die, we'll just be like other living things like Maize, goats, ants just die away, and nothing more after death?

You say LIFE after DEATH. . . Just that name alone contradicts everything. .Death means Absence of life, How can you now say their is life in absence of life? is that not a selfish wishful thinking conjured by a selfish mind who probably do not want to imagine that death means "That is it nothing more"

This was probably why the Egyptians came up with this notion of "afterlife", reward and punishment (tribunal of Osiris) Its just a concept derived by religion.

I suppose some people find comfort in the whole notion of "passing over" instead of simply "Dying".

It is not difficult to understand why we create stories for ourselves, given that we are probably/ almost certainly the only species on the planet who know from a very young age that we are going to die someday.

Other animals just live in the moment.

I doubt that the dogs and birds out there are freighting about afterlife or performing rituals to secure their place in heaven.

But our 'knowledge' of the inevitable end of our being is something of a burden to us.

So maybe we should just stop dwelling of such fancies of afterlife and just get on with what we have now and where we are now.

Sunnystooth:
Hmmm, you are leaving me with more questions, lolz. I need answers. Well, most people think as humans we have a higher intelligence compared to that of animals. People think the presence of a spirit being in humans is what makes us more special and higher in intelligence than other animals. And that we have souls and spirits that live on even after our physical death. So, i get confused, i dont know what to believe.

Higher intelligence is just as a result of higher evolved sophisticated brains of homo sapiens. Intelligence as we know is as a result of the brain.
Other Animals have their own unique intelligence, termites had an organized civilization and built cities (ant hills) long before humans did, how did such little ants become civilized before the almighty homo sapiens?

Take a good look at a dog, what differences do you see? You have eyes, same with it, you have nose, mouth, tongue, teeth, limbs. same with it. . arrangement based on adaptive technics is just the only difference.

You are alive, so is the tiny ant you crush everyday, what made you think your consciousness is entirely different?
Same metabolism that keeps an ant alive keeps you an alive not some spirit mumbo jumbo.

Just the heightened sense of conscious reality in homo sapiens due to a higher intellect bore out these explanations. I doubt that birds and spiders go about thinking their consciousness is as a result of spirit while others are not.

Sunnystooth:
We were made to believe while growing up that as humans, we comprise a Body, Spirit and a Soul. So, do you agree that we are made up of these things?

And as we always hear, this spirits makes you alive...

Now to understand this lets ask this question..

[size=20] Why is it that something done to you physically like shooting you kills you, why dont the spirit keep you alive since its responsible for you being alive?

other Animals are conscious beings too, do they have this spirit too or not?[/size]

Sunnystooth:
Hmmm, I see.
Do humans have spirits? If yes, are humans in anyway conscious about this spirit? What about demons, do they exist as well?

spirits? ... what do you mean by spirit in this regard?

Sunnystooth:
Well, hope you dont mind my so many questions though. I have one more.
So, the Ogbanje we used to hear, the fetish things done in states like Cross River and Akwa Ibom, the juju we hear of in Edo state, the shrine and all that? Does it mean to you they are non-existent or not potent?

One word [size=20] superstition[/size] Am sure you know what that means... I have had a dealing with one of such children labeled ogbanje, a young innocent child hated and discriminated by all in the name of being an ogbanje, i became friends with him, talked with him. He was just a child the society doesnt accept his life as he is, a gifted child thrown into psychological chaos.

Sunnystooth:
Finally, what is an Atheist take on the possibility of the existence of Demons?

Demons?? hahahahaha thats very laughable. . those nonsense don't exist only in the head of the people who think they do.
Have you watched TB joshua's deliverance session? one of the best ways to watch a joke.

Demons are just mythology, am sure you don't know the demons succubus and incubus are worked out from the LILITH myth, a jewish myth of a woman named lilith who was supposed to be adam's first wife.

Sleep paralysis and optical illusions are labeled demons thats funny.
An atheist dont believe a god exist how am i supposed to believe demons do. they are just same mythology cooked up from same source... cultural superstition.

Just the adult way of believing an adult version of fairy tales..

Sunnystooth:
Well, hope you dont mind my so many questions though. I have one more.
So, the Ogbanje we used to hear, the fetish things done in states like Cross River and Akwa Ibom, the juju we hear of in Edo state, the shrine and all that? Does it mean to you they are non-existent or not potent?

One word [size=20] Superstition[/size] am sure you know what that means.

Sunnystooth:
Finally, what is an Atheist take on the possibility of the existence of Demons?

Demons? thats funny, their is no such things as that, its just plain myth worked out of superstitious jagons.
Atheist disbelief the existence of a god, how can an atheist still buy the demon bullshiiit.

E.G the succubus and incubus demons were worked out from the myth of lilith, a jewish mythology of Adam's first wife before eve. their is nothing like such nonsense. . its just in the mind and nothing more.

All of these are ways adults believe in Children's fairy tales...

Gaborone:
Go online. Sure you made no attempts at that before coming here. Google 'videos of creative miracles'.

Am sure you might have seen one of these videos before, just post us a link of one. . i would certainly love to see a video where an amputee limb grew back. .

Sunnystooth:
Ok then, from the above, and from what Freemann said, these clever tricks that we cant explain or that are hidden from us, can we categorically consider them Natural (like freemann said)or they are indeed Meta-physical or spiritual?

Good, like i have said i haven't seen any that have been substantiated.

From the examples i gave, do you consider someone swallowing a sword natural? of course it is, he just knew precisely what angle to keep his throat.
So most of these tricks we point to as magic are just phenomenas we do not grasp how it was achieved.

My dad once told me, their is a particular leaf when burnt induces rain when the smoke reaches the sky during the raining season, this is practically very plausible because when silver iodine (Agl) is administered into the cloud (commonly with the help of a plane) it induces rain from the cloud. so these are just clever ways to manipulate nature... People who don't grasp this will certainly call it magic or say it has something to do with spiritual mumbo jumbo.

Like kay17 said "When i see them build a bridge with magic in a whim or make an amputee limb grow back then i will agree"

Thanks Op, I love your question.

First we all grew up in a very religiously saturated society ladened with blatant nonsensical superstitions, a sophisticated African society where the average African believes the potency of Voodoo and spirit shenanigans but none have ever asked "How does this work?"

I have been superstitious before i agree, but look around you.
If you watch the Guinness book of record you will see people swallowing swords, eating glass and breaking bricks with their fist.

Someone could call these magical but they are not. . What we call Magic or spiritual phenomenons are just events we cant explain or clever tricks hidden from us.

We live in a society where old women and little children are being lynched, discriminated against in the name of witches, ask people to substantiate this claim and you get cock and bull stories.

Growing up believing spirits and spiritual mumbo mumbo, i grew to understand most of these fears were just in my mind and nothing more.

Have you ever wondered how these things work?

We grew up hearing madness was as a result of madness spirit/demon, now we know its nonsense. we have seen many claims of spiritual happenings both in nairaland and in real life but none have ever been substantiated before.

I have talked about a situation i had an argument with friends on the potency of voodoo and prayers, we were in ezeagu in enugu state, my friend invited a voodoo man, i brought out a stone placed it on a small stool and told them to make it fall without touching it, both to the voodoo guy and prayer guy. the prayer guy said the bible said "don't test god" the voodoo guy did some nonsensical jagons and left saying he would be back, i got up and gently pushed the stone out of the stool turned to my friends and said "See? i just did what your voodoo and prayers cant"

The potency of these spiritual stuffs are all in the mind of the person who believes them. i still watch magic shows now but thats just what they are MAGIC (tricks).

Their is nothing to explain in the spiritual, if anybody claims extra-ordinary powers let that person demonstrate it before you to substantiate his/claims.
We grew up hearing masquerades are spirits of our ancestors, we later found out its just some dudes wearing masks.

Any phenomena you don't understand, thorough scrutinization and investigation can show many things and what it really is not just label them spiritual because you lack understanding of what it is.

As i am now I have never seen any substantiated spiritual claim, when i believed those crap all we use to hear were cock and bull hearsay stories.