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Esdb3:
So why tf are you asking the people of today to prove God's existence??

Again existence is not origin ... Can you and i argue over a dog's existence? How is it very simple to discern that than your supposedly sky daddy ?

Its simple..
I say : I have a dog

question is : Prove it?

My reply should be here : Here see the dog.. (provides the dog)

but in this case

You say : I have a god

Question : Prove it?

Its as simple as that

Esdb3:
TF!!! So I even added how did man come to be and you are laughing and calling that dumb. OMG!!!! Some people sha!!!!!! Just answer the question. Mtch

How man came to be (origin) and the existence of man are two distinct questions.. You should learn how and when to apply them next time

Esdb3:
I thought you would be able to deduce what I meant by that. I'm asking you to tell prove how man came to BE in existence.

its simple [size=20] i don't know.. I was born barely some decades ago [/size]

And for the record origin doesn't mean existence, in case of next time

Esdb3:
I will if you can prove the existence of MAN. How did man come to be.

Existence of man? hahahahahahahaha that moment when a man is asking you dumb questions. . . origin means existence to you? Lol... i don die..

DProDG:
Sir don't waste more of your time. This argument comes down to
-"people think stones are gods. Do you deny stone's(god's) existence?"
-"Hindus worship the singularity that birthed the universe. Do you deny the big bang?"

When too many dictionary defintions start pouring out from no where, it's obvious it's coming down to word games.

Sure thing bro... Have put it to rest..

FOLYKAZE:
There is nothing you want to tell me about buddhism which I dont already know. Ya I know devas and lot of ritual practises in buddhism but there is no superntural attributes to them. It is as that simple.

Let me slide on myth.

http://faculty.gvsu.edu/websterm/mythfaqs.htm .accordint to this link, myth should not be thrown outside but should be studied so as to understand the coded msg encoded in it.

For example, In Yoruba creation myth, Ogun - Iron deity moulded man both. But a look at science, we learnt that calcium builds bone. Calcium is a metallic chemical element. Therefore, you will see through that Ogun represent Calcium in the mythical aspect and the mythology is through only when seeing through the other side of the metphor and symbols.

Myth hold truth metaphorically and symbolically. http://simple.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mythology .

Wisemen dont throw it out. But they dig out the truth embedded in it.


So wise up.

Lol devas are defined(देव Sanskrit and Pāli) in Buddhism is one of many different types of
non-human beings http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deva_(Buddhism) nothing supernatural huh?

Then for the mythology part..
Fables should be taught as fables, myths as myths and miracles as poetic fancies.
To teach superstition as truth is horrifying. The mind of the child accepts them and only through great pain perhaps tragedy can the child be relieved of it.
Men will fight for superstition as quickly as the living truth- even more so; since superstition is intangible, you cant get at it to refute it but truth is a point of view and so is changeable Hypatia of Alexandria...

We enjoy fables and mythologies, you struggle tooth and nail to establish them as truth because you believe them.. Lol.. i wonder how may of them u will believe.. Now that is your business.. M Done with the baseless argument over the belief of mythology..

FOLYKAZE:
You are being selective. Cant you bear the hard punch any longer?

Everything in nature is super. So thanks.



The definitions you post around do not cover many religion.

There are lot of non-theistic conception and also buddhism has nothing to do with supernaturals. How would you throw in a definition that does not cut across it tenet.

Like my little, he defines a lion as an animal that has four leg, a tail and a big head. But does that make goat a lion?


I found also in one dictionary, football is defined as a religion. Does this mean Oxford dictionary is not reliable here?

You see once you mentioned you believed in glaring mythologies i decided to quite wasting my time with you..

But i want to correct another assertion … @bolded.. they recognize and believe the existence of demons.. eg Mara.

FOLYKAZE:
You shifting from entity to conscious entity.

Well I hold the belief that the universe and including planet earth is very conscious. This is an extent to which you define what consciousness as.

here was my post

johnydon22:
Am sure we have treated this crap before in your thread and am not ready to repeat all and start going in circles again..

Gaia is a greek mythological personification of earth.. still the same thing we were talking about brahma.. Earth is a planet not an entity.

Is earth a conscious entity or just a planet?

is gravitational singularity a conscious entity? Choose..

and here was your reply

FOLYKAZE:
Oga pls.

Earth is an entity. It exist on it own.


The question you evade is do you disbelieve in the existence of gaia? Yes or No?

You see? its obvious who left out the part were i said conscious scroll up and see ..

FOLYKAZE:
Your description is balderdash.

My description is hewn from the wikipedia encyclopedia http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaia_(mythology)

FOLYKAZE:
Lady justice is a greek mythical greek goddess just like Gaia. They both share the same allegory personification or representation of a substance which in turn are been served as a deity. She is a beatiful lad.

Lady Justice took relation of Themis and Maat which are Hellenic and egyptian goddess respectively. Themis has a daughter called Dike who help in carrying scale around. She was adopted in rome as Iustitia carrying scales and a sword, and wearing a blindfold.

She wore a black apron on a silver blouse and swind her sword everywhere.

Will you say lady justice does not exist because she is mythical expression of justice?


This applies to Gaia too. They are [size=20] both mythical goddesses[/size] but exist in reality.



http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Iustitia

http://www.commonlaw.com/Justice.html

Am not sure you really know what myth means..

Now i have arrived, someone believing a myth even after agreeing its myth..Lol.. i wouldnt waste more time arguing with you is clear enough.

logica:
My guy, obviously some people failed in English and English Literature. They have no clue that when you put a word in quotes (as I did), in that context that word is an analogy. A "scientist" or "physicist" with comprehension issues can be dangerous. We might need to find where ever they graduated from or about to graduate from to inform that they do not deserve a certificate.

Secondly, anybody with a second rate knowledge of Physics knows that sound does not travel in space. So, there shouldn't have been any ambiguity to my use of the word "heard", even if it was already in quotes.

The guy basically has low comprehension ability bro

FOLYKAZE:
Oga pls.

Earth is an entity. It exist on it own.


The question you evade is do you disbelieve in the existence of gaia? Yes or No?

Do you mean conscious entity or just an entity?

Gaia in the sense of greek mythology. (the personification of earth.. a goddess) these are the details about gaia..
Abode [/]:Earth
[b]Consort: Uranus, Pontus and Tartarus
Parents: None or Chaos ( Hesiod), or Aether and Hemera
( Hyginus)
Siblings :None or Eros , Erebus , Tartarus and Nyx (Hesiod)
Children: Uranus, Pontus , the Ourea, Hecatonchires , Cyclopes ,
Titans , The Gigantes , Nereus , Thaumus, Phorcys , Ceto ,
Eurybia, Aergia , and Typhon
Roman equivalent Terra……… Now we have seen what gaia is as defined by greek mythology.. So that goddess is mythology nothing more

Planet earth? Yes is so so in existence...

A goddess gaia who lives on earth, is the consort of uranus bla bla bla ? No doesnt exists.. as simple as that

let me add a picture of the goddess gaia too

FOLYKAZE:
Okis



I repeat, magic is a trickery science and art. It has nothing to do with supernaturals.

Chris angel is a magician and does not have any attribute like supernatural.

exactly we both agree on this cus supernatural is disbelelieve

FOLYKAZE:
them..Prof. Robert Bellah defines religion as a
set of symbolic forms and acts that relate man to the ultimate
conditions of his existence. This definition certainly extends the concept
to cover non-theistic philosophies of life such as materialism, naturalism
etc and including atheism.

Edmund Optiz said your religion is the fundamental way you approach,
understand, and evaluate all subjects. It consists of your first principles,
the truths you regard as self-evident, the basic axioms you take for
granted, and through which you view everything else.

You see, you base your definitions based on individual deductions, I think a reputable renown world encyclopedia is a better source not any individuals idea..

let me just drop a screenshot of wikipedia encyclopedia definition of religion.. as for fela spirituality, that yet is still his individual deduction, lets stick with the encyclopedia

nsiazu:
He is coming soon, just as other bible prophesies have been fulfilled. Jesus Christ dont want you to miss rapture.

In a couple of days right? What happens if by next week he is not here yet? what will you give me?

FOLYKAZE:
Human is god. Conventional religion agrees to this.

It is not just by calling. It is concept of what god is.

Afterall, man is defined as god in dictionaries.

Atheism is about god and mean man does not exist.

Do you disbelieve in gaia? She is a goddess.

Am sure we have treated this crap before in your thread and am not ready to repeat all and start going in circles again..

Gaia is a greek mythological personification of earth.. still the same thing we were talking about brahma.. Earth is a planet not an entity.

Is earth a conscious entity or just a planet?

is gravitational singularity a conscious entity? Choose..

FOLYKAZE:
Seriously I do not want to go hard with you. But I have to.

Lol so this is ur idea of going hard? lmao.. try harder

FOLYKAZE:
Magic is simply trickery science employed into art.

Chris angel do not have supernatural power. It tricks people with scientific knowledge and makes money from the art.

magic is mere parlour trick, agreed. this we always maintained because we disbelief the existence of anything supernatural

FOLYKAZE:
Hypotheis and conjection is what pls?

You may do well to define them..

FOLYKAZE:
You need to serch for sociological definition of religion.

Why dont you show us

FOLYKAZE:
there is a definition of spirituality here https://www.nairaland.com/1459258/atheism-spirituality-two-coexist#18460787

check it out

I've seen it before

FOLYKAZE:
Does that stop it from being a god?

You just shot yourself and expose atheism flaws.

You disbelieve in the existence of god. Yet again admit some people worship stone as god knowing fully well that stone exist. Thereofre god exist.

hahahahahahaha nope stone exists i call it a stone, you call it your god. it doesnt stop it from being a stone. it is a stone nd not a conscious entity..

I just love ur defence...Some people call a stone a god therefore god exists i don die oo.. i call my girl friend a god therefore god exists

So once again is the gravitational singularity a conscious entity or not?

FOLYKAZE:
To it is gravitational. To hindis, it is god.

Astolatry worship stars as deities. This does stop star fro, being ball of gas.

simple question, its not a matter of it being referred to as a god..
Some people call a stone a god so thats not the question..

Is gravitational singularity an entity or not?

FOLYKAZE:
Magic is science.

Mythology is mere expression.

Religion is way of live

spirituality is observance of natural law.


This are component of science.

let us consult the dictionary

magic : the power of apparently influencing events by using mysterious or
supernatural forces.

mythology : a collection of myths, especially one belonging to a particular religious
or cultural tradition.

religion: the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a
personal God or gods.

spirituality: Spirituality is the praxis and process of personal transformation , either in
accordance with traditional religious ideals, or, increasingly, oriented on
subjective experience and psychological growth independently of any
specific religious context. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirituality

FOLYKAZE:
The Isha Upanishad says:

Auṃ – That supreme Brahman is infinite, and this conditioned Brahmanis infinite. The infinite proceeds from infinite. If you subtract the infinite from the infinite, the infinite remains alone, still infinite.


Just liek cosmic singularity, Brahman swell, expand, grow, enlarge. The totality of this brought us to pantheism concept.

You cant run from ya shadow.


Brahman exist

..hahahahahahahahahahaha so brahman is a gravitational singularity or an entity which is it?

FOLYKAZE:
Alchemy birth chemistry.

Just like astrolatry birth astronomy

But yet now fully distinguished from each other..

Alchemy differs from modern chemistry in its inclusion of Hermetic principles and practices related to mythology, magic ,
religion, and spirituality . . .

Now you see the difference

FOLYKAZE:
Alchemy and chemistry

But is alchemy chemistry?

FOLYKAZE:
Yes.

I remember ancient religion esp in egypt where kings and emperor are worshipped as God. These gods are enitities and does exist.

Now this is proven. Do you disbelief in the existence of Brahman, Eledumare, Spinoza and pantheists god?

..lol.. you see? a scientific cosmic singularity refers to A gravitational singularity or spacetime singularity; a location where the
quantities that are used to measure the gravitational field become infinite
in a way that does not depend on the coordinate system . These quantities
are the scalar invariant curvatures of spacetime, which includes a measure
of the density of matter.

their is no way this is an entity, so your brahma ish entities are mere assumptive speculations.. dont exist

A gravitational singularity or spacetime singularity are not entites..

FOLYKAZE:
If you have read your book, you would have known that most scientific theories originate from spiritualist esp priests.

Does this make you throw science out because it originate from spirituality and religion?

one example?

FOLYKAZE:
You have a good response there.

Also the OP has a point but he chose to hold unto 'uncaused cause' feature of god.

If by this we are going to employ your PROVE IT question atheists ask, looking inwardly, you will have to agree to that God does exist but not as anthromorphical being as some religion depite it.

For example, Brahman is Hindi supreme God. It represent the cosmic singularity that caused the existence of the universe and everything there in. Whether it is caused is generally not know. But we admit through the big bang theory that existence springs from the cosmic singularity. This is served as God called Brahman in Hinduism, and also it is served as Eledumare in Yoruba spirituality.

In pantheism concept, God is nature that is totality of everything. We all know that nature exist, hence God does exist.

This brought us to God in spinozism. God here is natural law. We dont really need to disturb ourselves with proving existence of Natural laws.


Now this is proven. Do you disbelief in the existence of Brahman, Eledumare, Spinoza and pantheists god?

By likening cosmic singularity to brahman and eledumare, Do you still refer these gods as entities ?

babylolaroy:
i have come to the conclusion that Jesus doesnt av d same description wen we talk about him. so lets just say the christian Jesus (astaghfirullah) is coming tomorrow. o pay yin ni o..buh the Muslim Jesus is not coming tomorrow. hez gon come alright, descend gracefully, kill the evil dajjal at the end of time and lead the muslims to victory before he dies because..kullu nafs dhaiqotul maut...Every soul shall die...and so shall The Muslim Jesus...like every common man, like every other prophet,....whether it pleases you or unfortunately does not

Lmao.. religion shaaaa, what can i say.. **sighs**

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Pr0ton:
Wasn't that how you started in the womb?

Can you blame him? I can see he thinks science to be some sort of belief system. I dont blame the kid tho, he needs to start reading

Joagbaje:
Genesis 6:1 (Living Bible, The - TLB)
​Now a population explosion took place upon the earth. It was at this time that beings from the spirit world looked upon the beautiful earth women and took any they desired to be their wives.




Don't get personal leave church names out . Spirit beings do have intercourse with men. They are real brother. I can tell you a lot about them. Because I cast them out a lot. They talked at me many times through their victims. " leave her/ him alone!! She's my wife !!! Etc

Chaiiii ...Chim oooooo another TB joshua just arrived

babylolaroy:
if in a couple of days, jesus refuses to come. what happens? Anoda lie from a christian. jesus is coming. confirmed. buh not today and not this century...so gbagbe e

Oh not this century? lmao... which century abeg

KingEbukasBlog:
Does a single cell , dividing and evolving into super-complex life forms make any sense to you?

You see what i tell you? You seem to be confused between atheism and science... Am not sure you know the difference between the two.

babylolaroy:
Afta yu v studied hebrew and Greek..you will know the difference.

Lmao... funny people