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simplex2:
Your response in no way deals with the point I raised. Joseph is a jewish name, why didn't the Greeks substitute it? All the 12 disciples names were all jewish, same as the apostles and others. Why did the Greeks decide to change your messiah's name to one of theirs?

Your last statement is a direct contradiction to your believe. Is the quoran now a standard for confirmation of truth? Can we then go ahead and say that all that is contained in the quoran is the truth, nothing but the truth? Because it will not be right to pick passages from the quoran that supports your claim and throw out the rest.

Please if you're going to quote me, tackle the issues I raised and not raising more issues as we'll end up going around in circles.

Actually those names were substituted. Jospeh is not the jewish representation of that name, it should be something like "Yosef" and the letter "J" is a recent addition to english.

The name Jesus was spelt "iesus" before the addition of the letter "J".

The name "John" should something like "Yohanna" in hebrew and "ionnes" in old latin cum old english only the Recent english spells "John".

But yet their isn't evidence to support the historicity of the Jesus figure tho. Even Nazareth where he allegedly came from wasn't in existence until 2nd century AD.

Exactly they seem to think that science is some kind of belief system, thats pretty lame

Science is all about study, observation and experimentation. You dont need to believe what it says, just try it urself.

Their is a reason people sound dumb when attacking science.

starlingleanets:
interesting keep displaying your stupidity......they are really enjoying it

lol . . .Boy u need more books. read more and extensively cus ur arguments are lame, questions are dumb, drop that ancient stupendous primitive book called bible....You are a 21st century homo sapiens, so start acting like it... have a nice one..

Misogynist2014:
I knew it will hit you hard, but I tender my apologies. I didn't say you don't base your writings on facts (at least to you), but on one sided facts. Like I always said, I don't see pictures on opera mini, but I beg to be corrected that all Bibles have similar verses. If you read the epistles well, you'll read where he mentioned being in chains and taken to Rome and also how he was saved on road to Damascus, all of which can be found in the Acts of the Apostles. This link should be of invaluable help on having idea of what the pro Paul authorship think about the opposing views: . . http://helpmewithbiblestudy.org/11Church/TeachWhoAuthor1_2Timothy.aspx

And if you had read my post well you would have seen where i wrote the writer attributed the letter to paul.

Try and find a way and read the bible page i sent you. the church traditions attributes the letter to paul but critical analysis shows the letter must be a few decades after the death of paul.

Let me beg you again, when ever you are discussing with me dont bring my personality or assume anything about me cus that will be the last time i will bother discussing with you.

And try taking your research to none apologetic and widely accepted world encyclopedia http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Epistle_to_Timothy

Misogynist2014:
I read both the First and Second Timothy and I will say I'm disappointed in you, but it is written : For a time is coming when people will no longer listen to
sound and wholesome teaching. They will follow their own
desires and will look for teachers who will tell them
whatever their itching ears want to hear.

Going through each letter, it starts with 'From Paul' but since you have seen and read things you wish to hear, you quickly discard the obvious and take as fact arguments which you can easily find opposition to with a single click. You left Christianity because you placed Bible as one which is untrue and then find points to back them even till today. The Bible says Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they
received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to
see if what Paul said was true.

The same Bible says: But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good;

You have said in your mind that the Bible is false and you run after everything said as if it is ultimate truth once it agrees with your will. I also tested the Bible, but with the passion that what can touch the human life so perfectly should be true and it is. But you in your mind think that professors should be right, that science should be true, that God cannot be proven and so doesn't exist, limiting your instincts and going on a vain search, which surprisingly isn't to prove God but to be sure of His non-existence. I have researched and researched, NOTHING will make me lose my Faith, not now, nor in ages to come. As I hope that though a sinner, I will reign with the Son of God.


All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us
realize what is wrong in our lives. It corrects us when we are wrong and teaches us to
do what is right.

If i tell you i understand any of the things you wrote above, then i am a liar.
I remember telling you to stop your fallacious assumptions about me when ever you are discussing with me and please stop the ad hominem.

About the letter if timothy we were talking before you yapped all that crap above, i will say no more about it but let me take a snap shot of the New Community Bible (Catholic edition) Read the introduction to the letter of timothy and see i deal only with facts when i discuss issues.

Seriously resorting to ad hominem and stupendous assumptions about me will make me stop discussing anything with you cus the last i remember i have never assumed anything about you..

Now read and learn then do you own individual research..

macof the gospel of luke have its source from mark too...

dayodare490:
He may be wanting to kill you at a time when your death will be unbearable, a time you be mostly needed, a time that you have forgotten, a time close to your break trie, a time of no forgoveness. Don't be joyous death is after you.

Lol really? aaaaaaaah .. oooooooohh am so scared oooooh so so scared...

Allah is so gonna murder ur ass soon..

You know what? "Go fvck urself"

Lol can you imagine..

Now he is asking me questions like am some kind of all knowing scientist.. How does these questions have anything to do with the matters in hand..hahahahaha

**sighs** seems like ur own christianity turns you dumb that you jump from a topic to another that has nothing to do with the topic we are dealing with.


Anyway Let me just give you a little incentive about ur questions since you seriously want to learn

starlingleanets:
Can you tell me where the wind comes from

What is wind?

starlingleanets:
or how water take enter coconut

seem you didn't pay any attention to biology class in secondary school if not you would have known about plant water transportation.
**whispers** please stop making a fool of urself with dumb questions ...

starlingleanets:
or how the earth was suspended in space

Lmao.. Have u ever heard about Orbit and Parent star gravitational pull before?

starlingleanets:
or why the energy of the sun never run down?

Since you obviously havent read about plant water transportation, how do i expect you to know what Nuclear fusion is...

starlingleanets:
If You cannot explain this simple things then it will be interesting to watch you display the magnificiency of your ignorance here.

*spread mat*

Now please go and study more then open a thread and invite me..let us face the topic of this thread.. Don't derail it again boy..

starlingleanets:
What u call fact is foolishness b4 God....... Do read my signature nd do the needful. PEACE

First i am not a christian, i am an atheist

So historical facts are foolishness unto ur god? no wonder none of the fables in his alleged book are historically accurate..

seems ur god is allergic to the truth huh?

starlingleanets:
I rest my case since you don't hv spiritual insight

Lol am sorry for bursting your bubbles with facts my dear.. I didnt even say anything against ur beliefs..

Can you try and refute anything i said there with facts... i will gladly like to take you on that discussion..

Hiswordxray:
Why are you in religion section?
If you want to avoid people like me then why are you here?
Why are you against the belief of other people when yourself is not better?

Am allegic to bullshit boy... Now run along

Hiswordxray:
So what I say are silly just because they are the truth.
Yet you people say you are looking for the truth.
You prefer to remain in darkness because you are hiding something.
I had shown you how foolish your philosophies are but yet you refused to come out of that darkness.

Tell me, what are you hiding?

**Face palm**

what type of human being is this?

Ifeann:
Please who made this prophesy, where is it written. I am very interested to know..

hahahahahaha

He is referring to the beast in the book of revelation. . . Little did he know that the book of revelation was written during the time the young christian sect was under going persecution under the rulership of the roman emperor domitian.

The apocalyptic work was being addressed to the Christians, the writer borrowed apocalyptic styles from the book of daniel to explain.
The code name 666 was referring to the emperor and the author used it so that the officials wouldn't decipher what it meant.

Tho the church teaches that the later part of apocalyptic material extends to the future, thats basically one of the reasons the book is still being used now and was added to the canon of the bible in the 4th century.

The guy is free to interpret it anyhow he chooses...lol.. after all every other person is doing it..
(Everybody believes the bible means what they say and not what it says)

Misogynist2014:
The fact is that if the Catholic church had influenced the compilation of the Bible, apparently contradictory verses like 'of all people born of woman, there has not one risen as great as John' and 'there is only one mediator, the Man Jesus' won't be in the Bible. Those left out are just like the Hadith, full of contradiction with the suras.

Ok let me take off my atheistic views now and discuss this theologically with you, hope that will be ok..

Most letters you see in the new testament are just a little fraction of available write ups then.
The first criteria for choosing the books is if they have a sound moral guidance and christian theological foundation.

The book of timothy, being a more late add up to the bible canon was not written by paul but an unknown author who ascribes this letter to paul.
It was added to the bible because of its fundamental christian theological approach and is referred to as pastoral letters in the sense that is poses a guidance to the pastoral authority of the church.

that verse 1 timoth 2:5-6 can be theologically explained to mean that the man Jesus is referred to the Man nature of Jesus. You do know quite well that the catholic doctrine teaches Jesus have two distinct natures God and man so the verse wasn't contradictory.

transformer2019:
do u know wad u sayin?
Name the church until d 16th century dat was in existence aside the catholic church

No other church was in existence tho but sects like Gnostic christians and arianism sects (tho termed a heretic sect cus they are the first to consider Jesus a mere man which contradicts the teachings of the church then)
in 9th century Orthodox catholicism broke free tho this is basically still part of catholicism only one difference they deny the authority of the pope..

starlingleanets:
The whole church was never catholic

Oh yes, their were also Gnostic christians then (those that make use of gnostic materials) other herectic sects too like Arianism of Alexandria ..

Misogynist2014:
It is true the Holy Bible was compiled by the then catholic church and a lot of scripts which are in the Catholic museum didn't make it for one reason or the other, due to either being a myth or had been tampered with by mormons. The whole church was once the Catholic church. Even there are manuscripts that would have stamped the Catholic church which did not make it, thanks to the Mesias, King James. To show you how audacious those scripts are, Jesus said 'split a piece of wood into two and I will be there' in the book of Thomas! Does that look like a statement made by Christ? What about the book of infancy of Jesus, where a boy touched Jesus and died instantly! If the Bible were a mere myth, I would have quit it a long time ago. It answers all mysteries, it is honest in morality, and has 100% accuracy in history. I believe in the Bible, hope you do?

Sir the bolded is very wrong.. mormonism is a very recent religion and was not in existence when the canon of the bible was compiled, even islam was not in existence then.

Most Gnostic write ups were discarded because most were written by an anonymous author who ascribes them to a known figure. and most of then were written in the 2nd/3rd century AD, the earliest being the gospel of thomas was written about 150 AD... even the synoptic gospels also have unknown authors tho..

Many of them were discarded because they were contradictory and went against the original teachings of the church then e.g the gospel of philip that jesus saids that "the trinity were made of The father, son and the mother" ..

Meanwhile the lower part of ur post is basically just ur beliefs as you term them to be..

Hiswordxray:
You were a devoted Christian but you never encounter God. You were just busy carrying out religious activities. This is the major problem of many Christians today.
If only they had seek God and not religion...

lmao no offence but you sound really dumb..

lolzzz... sorry boy, i remember when i was exactly like you

Meanwhile am tired of ur quotes cus its getting meaningless as the day goes by.. please don't quote me again if you do not have any tangible thing to say...

An2elect2:
Am a christian and i do not belong to any denomination and am no gnostic. Thanks.

Do you know what Gnostic christian means?

An2elect2:
johnydon22 i want you to do yourself a favour. Go and open the bible and read it again. Read books on catholicism extensively and come back and tell me if they are saying the same thing.

Do men not adhere to what they claim to have preserved!

Lol . . . that ur own practise is different still doesnt change the fact that catholicism brought all ur belief to being.

After all some christians believe Jesus is not God and can back it up with the bible while some believe jesus is God and can still back it up with the bible... In fact the fable of Jesus wouldn't have gotten to you if their was no bible and then if their was no catholicism they wouldn't av been any bible..

It may interest you that i have read the bible very extensively, but the bible as we speak was also a product of catholicsm... We are talking historical facts here not biblical fables..

I advice you research about these things, dont take any word i say just do your own personal research and see for yourself..

One of the reasons i don't argue theology here even tho some of the so called theological yarns i see here are very funny is because i decided to face my reality.. I spent years in seminary formation, theology is our bread and butter..
Maybe one of these days i will discuss theology with you guys not minding my atheistic views now..(Discussing doesnt mean believing it tho)

Just like the other time i saw your argument with Ifeann on Faith and Good works....

Anyway i make you out to be very dogmatic and emotionally sentimental towards ur beliefs but you can sometimes try and research with an unbiased mind. What you will find will surprise you

macof don't waste ur breathe, An2elect2 have no idea that all the precious doctrine and dogmas she was indoctrinated to believe are all product of catholicism.

She have no idea that her belief that jesus is God was a product of the nicene council (catholic church) to shut down the arianism heresy.

she have no idea it was the catholic church that decided which book was to be in the bible and which was not to be. thereby they carefully formulated everything they wanted her to believe now.


She dont even have any idea how christianity started and she thinks the bible dropped from heaven...lol..

She is very emotional about her denomination but she forgot without catholic church none of these christian crap will exist today, even islam wouldn't have been in existence too.

She can't research about her precious christianity and bible and see how it all started..

Honey you clearly need to read extensively..

Hit here to read the implausibilities

kay1one:
You must be lost!

and he continues... smh

and they all forgot that they have been thousand others killed this same way even before the alleged jesus... and crucifixion takes much longer than 3hrs to kill...But here you are all shouting as if jesus was the only one (if there ever was)

so imagine the pain the others felt hanging on that cross for more than 8hours... and remember they stayed dead..

sonOfLucifer:
Matter is all you are? How can one blessed with the sense of reason permit such thoughtlessness?
Forget about my beliefs. This thread should not be derailed.

wait a thick; Do you even know what a matter is

sonOfLucifer:
What an absolute oaf you are.

Run off and go find some kindergarten Christians to play with. Matter is all you are.

Of course he is matter, same with you and every other thing. . . . But please can you tell us your own version of the creator, is it satan?

kay1one:
Iti! Even the op replied and you carry your illiterate self to quote and talk crap!

And you take to insulting her when she really made a point...

what is it with you, why are you always so offensive and insult at the slightest chance.

You don't bring up arguable points with solid facts but just quote bible then insult anybody that says what you don't like.. You need to change that attitude..

kemiola89:
what would you have to say about those women that celebrate with them during their festival? It has nothing to do with the gender, it's what I termed a 'personal phobia'.

in my side it is impossible for women to stay that close to Odoh masquerade... so thats what i meant..

another first cause arguments everywhere... **sighs**

uncleFola:
are u an atheist?.... So u don't know there are so many good things that can come out of nasty situation..... "In any situation" I only read in my bible, "Give thanks".

@bolded, that exactly is your problem... You clearly need more books..

kemiola89:
So masquerades sef dey pose for pix I can't stand 1 inch close to them, still haven't outgrown my fear for 'em.

you are a woman, am not sure if you can ever stop running from them.

ezehy:
i hate talking and love practical i wish we can in person so dat i proof to u dat jesus is lord @johnnydon

lmao for ur mind ba?.i would love to see u try..

the highest mistake u guys make is that u always forget we were once christians, i can say you are not even as half devoted as i was then.

But this is reality boo

Rilwayne001:
The Arabic uses the past tense, as if that Day were already
here, to help the reader/listener imagine how it will be. Some traditional commentators hold the view that this describes an actual event at the time of the Prophet, but it clearly refers to the end of the world.

Surah Al-Qamar, Verse 2:
But if they [who reject all thought of the Last Hour] were to see a sign [of its approach], they would turn aside and say, “An ever-recurring delusion!” –



I'm not lying and I'm not protecting anything, the link you provide already told you that different opinions are held on it.

Oya count my teeth

And this is where i love it most, when they employ glaring deceptions to mask their absurd belief..
let me read the surah to verse 6

The Hour has come near, and the moon has split [in two].

54:2
And if they see a miracle, they turn away and say, "Passing magic."

54:3
And they denied and followed their inclinations. But for every matter is a [time of] settlement.

54:4
And there has already come to them of information that in which there is deterrence -

54:5
Extensive wisdom - but warning does not avail [them].

54:6
So leave them, [O Muhammad]. The Day the Caller calls to something forbidding.

You see it was clearly talking about muhammed .

you were quick enough to laugh at the christians absurd belief but forgot ur own is worse..

Split moon, prrrrrrrrrrrrrrffffffffff now recount your teeth !