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Rilwayne001:
This requires a lot of explanation which I can't waste my time to do.

A two line verse require a lot of explanation? lmao, so you will start with your running around and employing other clueless verses too.

Oga we take the quran exactly as we see it, you saying it require an explanation is like saying these words that am typing to you now requires an explanation, oh no it means exactly what it says..

In Albert Einstein's voice If you can't explain it simply, then you don't understand it well enough

Rilwayne001:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splitting_of_the_moon

Surah Al-Qamar, Verse 2:
But if they [who reject all thought of the Last Hour] were to see a sign [of its approach], they would turn aside and say, “An ever-recurring delusion!” –

Sir that chapter made it clear it the prophet performed that miracle for the people of makkah.

Throwing in last hour stuff which clearly i don't see any moon splitting there is deceptive...

Anyway you just lied that the prophet didn't split the moon..
You wanted to protect the absurdity you believe huh?

macof:
Surah 18:86 u no dey read ur holy book

Dont worry macof i have an e-koran on my phone let me help read it out for our dear friend Rilwayne001

[size=20] Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it setting in a spring of dark mud, and he found near
it a people. Allah said, "O Dhul-Qarnayn, either you punish or else adopt among them
goodness." [/size]

there, better

Rilwayne001:
No he didn't.

So the noble quran 54 :1 The Hour has come closer, and the moon has split.

was probably drunk when it said that?

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splitting_of_the_moon

Look at what a 2000years old fable is doing to people..

Rilwayne001:
Shut up

its just a question bro... Did muhammed split the moon or not.. Just a yes or a No

Rilwayne001:

eheeee dude i heard muhammad split the moon, is it true?

Dnarvaez:
What is spirituality? Spirituality is the praxis and process of personal transformation, either in accordance with traditional religious ideas, or, increasingly, oriented on subjective experience and pyschological growth independently of any specific religious context. In a more general sense, it may refer to almost any kind of meaningful activity or blissful experience.
Source : http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirituality
like i opined earlier, spirituality is a thing of the mind nd peoples' believing power or ability can't be compared. And the light of such belief is seen when that particular notion has come to pass.
For example, i could predict that Man. U will defeat Chelsea in a tournament, while ur own prediction can be in the opposite. Most times we do say "i believe in this, i believe that......... Can do it." so what's the secret in it? Nothing actually, it just depends on how the mind works.
Hope you get my point nw.

Spirituality a thing of the mind. Very good i like this definition ..

Ifeann:
Johnny have u heard of the theory of natural selection. ..as an atheist i know u have..

muslims have been beheading any smart muslim that asks questions or is intelligent enough to see the scam called Mohammed for what he is.. this has greatly decimated the gene pool of smart muslims.. the majority of muslims are a little more than wild donkeys because the gene pool is filled up with stu.pid islamist genes replicating each other..

unfortunately johnny the islamic population is spreading , i have seen other research that says the same.. polygamy has ensured that the world does not run out of muslims, eg the recently deceased saudi king had married 30 wives during his life , your new president was the 23 child of his father...and he himself has 10 children which is very conservative for a nigerian muslim.
muslims will out populate christains in nigeria in the future.. sad but very probable.

Quite true, they can only do this by murdering the rational ones, breeding children like dogs and a show of extreme intolerance to the ones who wants to question their beliefs..

Fundamental human rights are sacrificed at the altar of islamization.

Be sure to keep books away from the young ones, because they will turn rationalistic if you dont.

Islam have been doing this for years now and be beheading the ones that questions their beliefs. thats why you see most behaving like cows..

2050? religions will increase? lmao... tell us another joke..

Dnarvaez:
I still stand firmly on my point! Science and its innovations is all about ]practicality and theories, yet its facts are not perfect or faultless.

Good i take it that you have corrected yourself. science is just study and is not authoritative, any theory proposed by science is open for wild scrutinization and experimentation. So science don't claim perfection but only studies. . and scientific method is through experimentation, observation and scrutinization of available datas.

Dnarvaez:
Yeah! We see and demonstrate science because it was invented by man and its works are also made possible by tools. But you see, spirituality is a thing of the mind, it is some sort of deep meditation.

Very good, and that is where it stops.

Dnarvaez:
Now my answer to ur last quote: Spirituality can undisputedly be proven or shown, though it's more of a thing of individuality. Human believing power varies. What i may strongly believe in might not be thesame to other persons' beliefs.

Can you tell me what you mean by spirituality and how yours can be demonstrated.

Dnarvaez:
Now you might've come across this sayings: "you shall reap whatever you say," "Karma is a b!tch. ( the "karma" here refers to the sum of somebody's good and bad actions in one of their lives, believed to decide what will happen to them in the next life)," that is to say one that usually wallows in evil doings, will oneday without warning be caught up in his/her web.

I do good i feel good, i do bad i feel bad. . what you give is what you get.

Dnarvaez:
...These beliefs i summed up can't be seen but can be felt and do occur in reality, and we do believe that there are some imaginary forces some what behind these notions.

And this bolded just finished off ALL ur analogies..

Yes they just started quoting the same bible ^^^^^^

it is clear that the bible was written by ancient men that had not the slightest incline of what the universe is.

How can the earth be created on the first day and it's parent star which it orbits and whose gravity holds the earth be created on the 4th day

how can day and night be created four days before the sun that causes day and night

How can vegetation appear before sun

An omniscient being was surprised Adam and eve ate the apple

An omnipotent being couldn't just snap his hands and the angel turn devil he created will just stop existing, but ooh he is struggling for power with his creation and they are playing bet for souls (the absurdity got dumber)

a merciful god cannot forgive you unless some kind of blood sacrifice was used, he graduated from asking for animals to demanding the blood of his son... #Damn!!!

A book with jewish mythological history in almost half of its pages, and the remaining part of the book is still about the jews.. wooow thats the word of god
and the book was dumb enough to think stars can fall down to earth..

A universal god that sounds more jewish than others. even the gates of heaven have 12gates signifying twelve tribes of isreal.. clearly a jewish deity.

and the list can go on forever.. it only take plain delusion to believe any of that crap..

Christians never wondered how the worship of the jewish deity started. Isreal being a canaanite civilization slowly reworked the canaanite religion and supreme god El into a strict monotheistic religion on their own.

The most glaring part is that the god got modified by the christians that is very evident enough its not the same god with that of the jews but the same concept.

Anas09:
Johnydon why are u always here? Don't u have somewhere else to be? Like in the Atheist section. Go there and stop following us everywhere. U r like the muslims, they hate christ but can't stay awy from him.

i believe its appropriate to give you a middle finger... so go fvck ur self.

lasstropinky:
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lol typical... why dont you come up with something better to defend ur holy book.. i think its clear enough who needs the sense..

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[url=jesusneverexisted.com]facts..[/url]

winner01:
there is only one God, and there are many other gods....The name of the one true God is El (El-elyon, El-lohim)....how did El change to Al and subsequently Allah along the line....truth is bitter my sister.

In case you are missing some facts, El is the supreme God according to the canaanite pentheon. the husband of asherah and father of 70Gods including baal, salem, el shadai and even yahweh in some texts..
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_(deity)

Dnarvaez:
Yea it's suprising to you buh not me
Even with the facts you en-listed above, still i persist, spirituality and science can never be compared.
....umm i guess time to go to bed... Should i say gud a.m/p.m lol! C'you

First you need to change this ideology

scientists not able to determine completely how the earth looks like. No!
They couldn't
Their facts were plainly based on mere assumptions.

It depicts you to be ignorant of what exactly science is all about.

It was actually surprising to me seeing someone say such, I advice you study more..

Spirituality as you are implying is unproven and cannot be demonstrated, or do you think you can?

anyway its goodnight here..

lasstropinky:
Sorry it can't be upgraded nd if you don't mind the door is open for you to leave.

this is nairaland .. Have you ever wondered why your so called word of god is exactly the ideology of the society it's found in. . . A bunch of ancient primitive men wreaking of sexism wrote down a bunch of crap and a 21st century homo sapiens is buying it with so much reverence. Thats disappointing...

lasstropinky:
This is the word of God not ideololgy

The word of what? then that damn word needs upgrading, its archaic and primitive..

Dnarvaez:
what? Huh?

Dude am really hoping you are not serious? We now have pictures of nebulas, galaxies thousands of light years away, different extra-terrestrial planets orbiting their parent stars. Many satelites and the international space station orbiting the earth. and you really said this

scientists not able to determine completely how the earth looks like. No!
They couldn't
Their facts were plainly based on mere assumptions.

Woooow thats surprising...

Dnarvaez:
Now don't get me wrong
matters relating to spirituality differs entirely from Science & technology,, both can never be on same ground. If so how then were the so called scientists not able to determine completely how the earth looks like. No! They couldn't
Their facts were plainly based on mere assumptions.
Even as humans we do believe in some kind of unexplainable spirituality.
people with no family roots/background, especially Non-Africans, are the ones who would banter and argue about beliefs.

what

lasstropinky:
A Lady complain of her husband way of doing things. Her husband is a Teacher in a nearby school so whenever he is free in school he comes home for sex...though they had rounds in the morning and unlimited still to come at night he still find time to have sex in the afternoon. It continues like this till she couldn't take it more...it led to fight and the pastor had to intervene.

The Lady open up to the pastor that her husband want to kill her with sex; morning,afternoon and night even when she is overworked. Pastor asked husband and husband said all i know is The word of God says "Wife be submissive to your husband" and God never lie.

If You are the pastor how will you settle this matter.

the bolded is one of the archaic ideology people should drop in this 21st century.
I mean this is the 21st century and people shouldn't base their thinking on a primitive outdated ideology.

Marriage is a union between 2 [size=20]consenting[/size] adults and not between a superior and inferior. Men should stop seeing women as inferiors but as equals and deserve equal right and respect.

Sex in marriages should be at the consent and convenience of both party. .we should all consider each other's feeling before doing things in a relationship.

That man really needs to be upgraded and the wife should run for her life.. we have a maniac here..

omat20:
try astral projection and your perspective of life will change

am curious, have you done it before?

If you look at the world today, the western world apply scrutinization and scientific method to explain occurrences and phenomenons they yet don't understand. unlike africans who are always very quick to term any event they dont understand to be supernatural whereas just a little bit of research and scrutinization can prove otherwise. But we are too lazy for that

If you watched this movie Thor Jane said "Magic may be science we yet dont understand"

Just like Idrismusty97 pointed out, malaria was once regarded as supernatural because humans didnt understand it then.

placebo effect is just a mental positive influence, the mind can be our greatest ally or our greatest foe. Take for instance when we were kids, we were scared of the supernatural and dreaded climbing the stairs in the dark because we thought one spirit might be there but that fear was just a thing of the mind which made us think something is there, but growing up we stopped being scared of that because we no longer think or believe in that crap.

This is exactly what faith healers use, they make it seem so sure that you are healed thereby instilling that sure mindset into you which can take effect. remember the mind is a product of the brain which is a part of the body that controls mostly all activities..


Op your sibling waking with a scratch on the face is a very normal occurrence that isn't hard to propose a hypothesis that suits it. e.g The scratch may be because he/she scratched her face during sleep (we all know this is an involuntary action that happens during sleep.)

Supernatural as claimed by so many religions and superstitious brouhaha are yet to be proved or even can be demonstrated.
Their isn't much to suggest the existence of supernatural, all we get is people attributing natural events they dont fully grasp as supernatural.

I am yet to see a substantiated claim of the supernatural or ghost ish, i see them just as superstitious yarns if not the James Randi million dollar paranormal challenge wouldn't have still be on stake for more than 50years now..

Abuamam:
I did; I always do. This time I wasted my Mb. Your video says nothing that is tangible evidence of the Qur'an copying from the Bible.

Lol really? **sighs** Did i expect any less from someone who think a drunk hallucinating arab man received a book from a mythical sky fairy...

Abuamam:
Lol. Because I complained on the lack of evidence, you went to modify your comment and add the first dumb youtube video you could find on google search. It just buttresses my remark that you must be a new breed of follow-follow atheist. You did not reason out your belief.

I also think that modifying your comment after it has been responded to, is dishonest. But let that pass. Since you claim to be tired, I will let you be.

Once again, stay in peace.

lmao.. as tired i am to repsond this, i can't help but laugh at it. . . Why dont you jump to it and watch the video

its not even an atheistic video.. so have fun with it..

Hiswordxray:
I'm sure you have begin to hear those voices in your heart. Don't count them as foolishness and don't let the devil make you believe It's not real or that it is subjective. Just listen and you would find the truth.

[size=20] I'm sure you have begin to hear those voices in your heart. Don't count them as foolishness and don't let the devil make you believe It's not real or that it is subjective. Just listen and you would find the truth.. Stop denying God (amadioha) open ur heart to him okay [/size]

Hiswordxray:
I know you have gotten my message by now. So just think about it and you would find the truth you have been looking for.

[size=20] PLEASE OPEN YOUR HEART TO THE TRUTH, I KNOW THAT WITHIN YOUR HEART YOU KNOW YOUR SOUL YEARNS FOR GOD (AMADIOHA) PLEASE COME BACK TO HIM HE LOVES YOU.
ANYWAY I KNOW U HAVE GOTTEN MY MESSAGE AND YOU WILL SOON FIND OUT THE TRUTH YOU SEEK AND BELIEVE AND WORSHIP GOD (AMADIOHA) [/size]

Hiswordxray:
Your problem is that you don't understand what Christianity is. Christianity is Christ and Christ is life. The knowledge of good and evil only leads to death.

Morality is the knowledge of good and evil therefore morality leads to death. Morality is evil and useless. Christ is life which is the opposite of what morality brings.

[size=13pt]So with or without a deity morality is both evil and useless. Run away from morality now and come to Jesus for only him is life.[/size]

Your problem is that you dont understand amadioha is life
Oh stop hiding in your folly, stop running away
from God (amadioha)
please ur heart seeks him.
oh no God is not evil, he loves you and wants to
reconcile with you.
please he wants you to come back to him, why
do you keep denying him
when you know him deep inside ur heart...
please come back to God he
needs ur love, he loves you so much that he
gave Anini his only
begotten son to die for ur sins..
Please stop being angry at God come and
reconcile with him, he will
forgive u.
But why are you angry with God, why do you
choose to remain angry,
arent you tired of being angry with God please
come to him i beg you stop hiding
WITHOUT GOD (AMDIOHA) YOUR MORALITY IS
USELESS PLEASE OPEN UR EYES AND SEE
THAT YOUR MORALITY IS USELESS WITHOUT
GOD..

Hiswordxray:
Morality is useless, with or without a deity. The sooner you realize it, the better for you.

Think about what I have told you and it will lead you to free

hahahahahaha and the guy will soon turn atheistic.. lmao

No without God (amdioha) your morality is useless, but once you believe in God you are already righteous and will go to heaven.

Please stop running away from God (amadioha), believe in amadioha and you woll be good again. he loves you so much come back to him please..

[size=20]WHY ARE YOU ANGRY WITH GOD (AMADIOHA) PLEASE COME BACK TO HIM, HE WANTS YOU BACK AND LOVES YOU SO MUCH..

BUT WHY ARE YOU ANGRY WITH GOD [/size]

Abuamam:
I thought atheists pride themselves on rationality and logical thinking. You must be a different breed. You just echo what the xtians, whom you despise, say about Islam, which you also despise. Develop independence in thinking... do not rely on what others say, to develop your thoughts. That is the way of religious fanaticism.

Nowhere does the Qur'an define its period of creation as a day and a night. Nowhere does it indicate when Adam was created. No definite figures are given for the ages of patriachs and generations between them; whereby one can calculate the purported age of the earth, or humans on earth. Only the Bible gives such erroneous figures. If the Qur'an was "copy-pasted as you claim, then why did the copy-paster not copy those glaring discrepancies?

lmao... every atheist here know the quran is just another reworked version of the jewish mythology.. No christian have said this to my hearing.. its just plain plagiarism of both the jewish scriptures and the gnostic gospels. its just too obvious. . Am sure you still believe it was revealed to ur prophet.. **lol**
Tho the books of the bible are hewn from the jewish scriptures, it will be laughable for you to claim that the quran didnt copy from the bible..anyway am just too tired to go any further..
i will just leave this here


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqhrUTLSs0I&feature=youtube_gdata_player