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koboko69: I have noticed people just comment based on other peoples comment. The message is sum le...we out to celeberate the birth of jesus everyday amd not just xmas day. What exactly do u do on exmas day. Eat, drink and get drunk, go to elegushi, dance to satanic music...alot of people kill rob for this cursed day 25th of dec. Is this ow to celeberate the so called xmas.

People also eat, drink, get drunk, dance to satanic music also on Sundays, during Easter period, on Mondays, Saturdays, etc. So the excuse that people commit sins on Xmas day is both hollow and shallow. it is an attempt to justify illogic.

zicky: Mind u kumuyi was only speaking to members of his church, he was not speaking to Christians in Nigeria, so if you are not a member of his church I don't see the reason why dis should b your problem. Every church has der doctrine, so stick to what you believe.
The man stands for what he believe, what do you stand for?

Dear friend, Pastor Kumuyi is not an ordinary man of God and so whatever he says goes a long way in shaping the thinking of people. He was speaking during a general retreat where many people who are non-members attended. So he was not speakint to his members only. Furthermore, dont forget that the church of God is one because the the Body is one. If the body is one and we have so much division in the body, it is a sign of spiritual pride in the body of Christ! Churches may have their peculiar practices, but such should not be forced on members because they have the right to choose. A leader who forces members of his church to do a thing is a slave driver and a cult leader. As for doctrines, we have only one set of doctrines in the Bible. All these talk about my church, my church will come to nought when God decides to humble such leaders.

agent9: what about dis??

It doesnt matter whether he was born on 25th or not. The point is that you can choose to celebrate Christ on any day including 25th Dec. For example independence day. Does it mean that Nigeria actually became free on that day? A day was just chosen to symbolise and celebrate our independence. In any case if you say he wasnt born on 25th Dec, it means you know when he was born! Tell us. Please read the following from the scriptures: Rom. 14:5-6 "Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks."

Col 2:16 -"Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:"

Ro 14:14 "I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean."

agent9: Its soo good to know dat more people ar seein d TRUTH (e.g KUMUYI).....but wat am not sure of is if its not too late..... and yet, some stil keep themself in d dark...blinded by d false teachin dey hav received from dia soo called pastors....WAT A PITY!!! Anyway, i hope it wont be long before u see and know d truth too.....

Nobody has the right to say xmas should not be celebrated on 25th of Dec. The person should tell us when to! You can celebrate Christ on any day! I repeat, any day. Some idols were and still being worshiped on all days including Sunday when the Sun god is worshipped. Do we now cancel worship on Sundays? Letr me quote the scripture; Ro 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. Also, Col 2:16 says; 16 ¶ Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Again, in Ro 14:14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean. Again, Rom 14: 6 "He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks"

Somebody said
Baba Kumuyi is not saying we should not give regard or celebrate Christ, but it is not scriptural to do that only on the 25th. Most of us who are talking did not even know how this celebration started. We only came, met people doing it and we joined them in doing it. Now someone came out to call our attention to it and we started using all kind if derogatory words. Why can't we ask him to come and show us BIBLICAL FACTS about this issue(which i'm sure he will if we ask him to do that). May God help us![/b][b][i][/i]

Dear friend quoted above,
Nobody has the right to say xmas should not be celebrated on 25th of Dec. The person should tell us when to! You can celebrate Christ on any day! I repeat, any day. Some idols were and still being worshiped on all days including Sunday when the Sun god is worshipped. Do we now cancel worship on Sundays? Letr me quote the scripture; Ro 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. Also, Col 2:16 says; 16 ¶ Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Again, in Ro 14:14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean. Again, Rom 14: 6 "He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks"

This is a very interesting topic! I have few questions though:
1. Can God save a soul on Dec. 25? If yes, can such people celebrate Jesus on that day?
2. What is the fate of children born on Dec 25? Should the parents sorrow over them?
3. If the argument is that people commit atrocities on Dec 25, don't they during Easter, Sundays, New year days, etc? If the answer is yes, should we stop those celebrations?
4. Is it right for anything good to be done on Dec 25?
5. God created Dec 25. Who has the right to declare it a bad day?
6. Some said there is no Christmas in the Bible. Is there new year celebration in the Bible?
7. Did the Bible say we must do retreat only in Dec?
8. Some people worship idols on Sunday. Should we therefore stop Sunday worship?
9. In the Bible, we only have glass pulpit. Why are we now using glass pulpit since the only type we have in the bible is wooden type?
10. For those who say there is no commandment to celebrate christmas in the bible, is there any on the type of head gear for women? If no, why make a law on a particular type?
11. If we must honor Christ everyday, should we exclude 25th?
12. As a christian, should I reject xmas gifts and xmas bonus from my employer. What about the tithe I've been paying from my xmas bonuses in the past?

joiam: Dear friend, your reply here is very interesting! You said Pastor Kumuyi isn't being idolised? You can only talk of yourself. Some may be idolising him. It is a heart thing. Again, you have used one of the tricks of those who deceive their followers by quoting the bible half way! Paul didn't just say be a follower of me. He said be a follower of me as I am a follower of Christ. In other words, he is saying follow Christ. Follow me as long as what I'm doing is according to the word of God! Please let's not deceive the unwary. On the day of judgement, those who have either added or removed from His word will be judged whatever we call them based on our opinions in this world!!!

Let us read Rom 14: 1-6(...He that regardeth a day, regardeth it unto the Lord..." and the issue of Dec 25 or any other day for that matter becomes clear! The only problem is that if you are not comfortable with a day or date, forcing everybody to follow you and not allowing them to make a choice within the limit of christian liberty is slavery and an attempt at mind control! Some people may choose to commit adultery on Sunday but that can't stop me from worsipping my God! The same argument is valid for Dec 25. Only God who made Dec 25 can.give a universal declaration that it is polluted. Aside from that, you choose how you spend your day!!!

Barr Seun: I am a member of the deeper life bible church. The man of God (Pastor W.F. Kumuyi) is my father in the Lord and indeed a servant of the most high God. I am very sure that there are other men of God who have kept themselves from the pollutions of this world. Pastor W.F. Kumuyi happens to be one of such. He is not the only person. I however want the debunk the idea the he is being idolized. This is not true. Paul the apostle in his epistle said "be ye followers of me". Being a follower of somebody does not necessarily mean that you are idolizing the person. You can make a person your mentor. The bible approves of it.

Dear friend, your reply here is very interesting! You said Pastor Kumuyi isn't being idolised? You can only talk of yourself. Some may be idolising him. It is a heart thing. Again, you have used one of the tricks of those who deceive their followers by quoting the bible half way! Paul didn't just say be a follower of me. He said be a follower of me as I am a follower of Christ. In other words, he is saying follow Christ. Follow me as long as what I'm doing is according to the word of God! Please let's not deceive the unwary. On the day of judgement, those who have either added or removed from His word will be judged whatever we call them based on our opinions in this world!!!

Vickhov: I guess u've an axe to grind with Deeper life.Even d tithe u're busy castigating deeper life about,dey aint so obsessed about tithe collection.If dere is any need dat arise in d church,dey inform their members about it and out of their freewill volition dey can provide for it.I'm 100% sure dat dere's no deeper life church dat will lay curse on its member because of tithes or offerings.There are couple of churches out there dat collects freewill offering,sowing of seed,tithes etc in a service but deeper life churches dont but yet you chose to pick on dem.If there's any tin to castigate deeperlife about,it shud b abt d preaching of holiness which am very sure is lacking in ur life.From d look of tins u sound like an atheist because even d muslims blive there is hell fire so i dont understnd where u got ur false doctrine and apostasy from..I pray God changes ur heart before its too late

Dear friend, to say deeperlife don't collect the offerings you mentioned above is a serious case of overgeneralisation! Just talk about the branch you aware of. To even say deeperlife pastors don't curse don't who don't pay tithe, is another case of unnecessaty generalisatioin. Pastor Kumuyi may not but I tell you that some pastors are doing that! Most of them are independent branch managers of deeperlife. How many things can Pastor Kumuyi see? On the last day, there will be suprises.

There are very important questions. 1. Was Christ born? If He was born, what is wrong in fixing a day to celebrate him? If it is true that Dec 25 is connected to an idolatry, then get a date Christ was born! Are those born on Dec 25 now idol worshippers therefore? On Dec 25, didn't God do anything good that day? The Bible says let no man judge you in meat or dring or on any holy day! Many christians celebrate Easter. Did God say we should do? God may not have said we should celebrate the birth of Jesus, but I think God will not tell us everything because He gave us common sense which we must use! For goodness sake, why do we use asbestos to foor our houses? Is that in the Bible? My take is this, it is very easy to dish out al sorts of opinions to people especially if such people have turned their leaders into idols. You don't have to think if you have your idol to consult! Jesus asked the Pharisees who were against doing anything on the sabbath day if the eight day for the circumsicion of their new baby falls on the sabbath day, won't they carry out the circumcision? Of course they would! If I give birth to a child on Dec 25, should I kill that child? If Dec 25 was idolatrous to the the Romans, must it be to me?

solomon111: It seems the word of God which says "love not the world,neither the things that are in the world" has gone out of fashion in this generation.
Even the few still keeping that holy standard are being corrupted by the pressures of the world.
Smh.

Please, what is worldliness according to scriptures? Is the use of internet not worldly? If not, why not? Is sending your child to a private school instead of public school not worldly? If not, why not? Is a beautiful but expensive church building not worldly? Is using jeep instead of a simple car not? If not, why not? Pls help me and don't forget to use the Bible to support your answers. God bless you!

[quote author=Gad.][/quote]Softly softly dear friend. You seem to be very angry! Just tell me that the points I raised are not true and we close the chapter. No need to quarrel ehn. At least show love to me a 'sinner' God bless you all the same.

Gad.:
There are so many mature learned and intelligent pple/Christians out there who can analyze and offer objective explanations to that statement. You may present it to any of them with reference to your comments to various posts on different subjects on this network. They'll be of better help.

In that case, I'm so sorry I asked you for an explanation. I actually thought you could offer an objective one!

Gad.:
I pray and hope to read up one comment of yours someday; a comment that reflects some elements of grace, edification, evangelism, the Spirit's inspiration, and such values that replete a redeemed, Christlike heart i.e. a Christian's heart.

Please explain your statement.

solidbroda: If You Attends Theses Kind Of Churches, Your Hell Fire Is So Sure

Churches that market their programs as if they want to sell big time like mimi and indomie.
Churches that tell you first thing in the morning about tithe and offering.
Churches that encourage mini skirt, and all kinds of flamboyant dressing.
Churches that encourages material competition.
Churches that you cannot afford to send your kids to their private schools after your contributions.
Churches that would hardly donate to charity, or even if they do, it is just to promote themselves.
Churches that would always tell you what you want to hear.
Church leaders who only prophesy footbal, bad things to occur without providing way out. sign of marketing their churches.
Jerry coils church filled pastors.
Churches were ladies put on skirt that would flatter their figure so much that the church would ignore.
Churches in which the choir master bleeps almost all the choir ladies and yet the man is still serving.
Churches that would preach about salvation ones in a year.
You can add yours too

In that case, no church is free! Even the ones that pretend nit to like prosperity and seem to live a moderate life, they are more often than not pretenders. You didn't mention things like jealousy, envy, slander, backbiting, lack of love and care, denominational pride, making tradition of elders to replace the Word of God, hypocrisy, etc. If these are in a church, even without the physical ones you've mentioned, the leaders there will answer queries before God!

joiam: My dear friend, I don't mean to insult you, but in understanding, we should not be babes. If you say riding a Limo or a flying a jet is worldly, what about spending billion of Naira to build a church? Is that not worldly? Why not just put up a building and worship without even painting it? Why should a pastor ride in a SUV(Jeep) instead of a Beetle car? Afterall, the Beetle car will still work! The issue here is that we define worldliness based on our level of exposure, understanding, social status, financial power, etc. In some churches, before, riding a fine car when sinners are dying was wordly but now it seems sinners have stopped dying! Before, when a member starts building a personal house, he is worldly but now, if you are still in a rented apartment after many years, they think God must have been against you. Having an aircraft is worldly to the man who is poor. When he becomes very very rich and he can afford it, he will find an excuse to justify it. My dear friend, Jesus was not riding in a jeep. Jesus was not living in a tastefully furnished house. I heard DL is putting up a structue in Gbagada ant it will be fully air-conditioned. Is this not worldly by your own understanding? Yet many members cannot afford 3 sqUare meals! So you see, it is all reative. Motive is the most important thing. Most of our definitions have been affected by the economy. Many are sending their children to private schools, why not to public ones? In fact DL now has many secondary schools and a university(all private). Why didn't they encourage people to save their money for evangelism rather than spend it to educate their children when Christ can come tomorrow? You see, we can go on and on and eventually see the folly in some of the things we do as christians. The Limo in question was rented for that day alone just as anyone would rent an aircraft with others to go abroad! Same thing!!! May God give us understanding in Jesus' Name. Amen.

Anybody who cares should read Romans 10:3-5. Such a person will understand what is wrong with those who ignore the scriptures and embrace tradition. They are always feeling they are the best and always right. Religion blinds. Ask the Pharisees.

KwoiZabo: i don't believe you, don't you see the women mirror magazine published by the church (i read that magazine personally b'cos it is rich in scriptures and blesses me personally), kumuyi is the editor in chief and you see the women that are pictured in the magazine, how do they appear. my problem with deeper life is that they don't allow the HolySpirit to convict people, they impose manmade rules to christians this only breed hypocrites.
Just to add is that LIMO actually used for the wedding? if it is then that is carnal. The bible says 'love not the world,...if you do the love of the Father is not in you,... all that is in the world is ... and pride of life 1 John 2:15 - 17' how else can someone display the pride of life if not wedding with a LIMO or riding private jets.

My dear friend, I don't mean to insult you, but in understanding, we should not be babes. If you say riding a Limo or a flying a jet is worldly, what about spending billion of Naira to build a church? Is that not worldly? Why not just put up a building and worship without even painting it? Why should a pastor ride in a SUV(Jeep) instead of a Beetle car? Afterall, the Beetle car will still work! The issue here is that we define worldliness based on our level of exposure, understanding, social status, financial power, etc. In some churches, before, riding a fine car when sinners are dying was wordly but now it seems sinners have stopped dying! Before, when a member starts building a personal house, he is worldly but now, if you are still in a rented apartment after many years, they think God must have been against you. Having an aircraft is worldly to the man who is poor. When he becomes very very rich and he can afford it, he will find an excuse to justify it. My dear friend, Jesus was not riding in a jeep. Jesus was not living in a tastefully furnished house. I heard DL is putting up a structue in Gbagada ant it will be fully air-conditioned. Is this not worldly by your own understanding? Yet many members cannot afford 3 sqUare meals! So you see, it is all reative. Motive is the most important thing. Most of our definitions have been affected by the economy. Many are sending their children to private schools, why not to public ones? In fact DL now has many secondary schools and a university(all private). Why didn't they encourage people to save their money for evangelism rather than spend it to educate their children when Christ can come tomorrow? You see, we can go on and on and eventually see the folly in some of the things we do as christians. The Limo in question was rented for that day alone just as anyone would rent an aircraft with others to go abroad! Same thing!!! May God give us understanding in Jesus' Name. Amen.

Colin Adua: ATTENTION! ATTENTIO!! ATTENTION!!!

EVERYBODY LISTEN. I HAVE FOUND OUT THAT THE WEDDING AUTHENTCALLY DID NOT TAKE PLACE INSIDE A DEEPER LIFE CHURCH AND THE GIRL WASNT WEARING EARRINGS.

SO PASTOR KUMUYI DOES NOT HAVE CONTROL OVER IT.

I HEREBY APOLOGISE FOR MY FORMER AND ABOVE MENTIONED FALLACIOUS POST. AM SO SORRY I WAS DECEIVED BY JOURNALISTS.

IT WAS A VERY WRONG POST BASED ON WRONG FACTS FEED BY THE MEDIA.

I HEREBY CANCEL AND WITHDRAW EVERY COMMENTS. DONT PAY ANY MIND TO THE ABOVE QUOTED POST. I WISH I DIDN'T POST IT IN THE FIRST PLACE. I MESSED UP TOTALLY. PLEASE FORGIVE ME EVERYONE.

I REGRET EVERY INCONVENIENCE! PLEASE FORGIVE ME EVERYONE! PLEASE FORGIVE ME DEEPER LIFE CHURCH MEMBERS!

YOURS VERY TOTALLY SORRY!

COLIN

Dear COLIN, froom your initial write-up and apology, you sounded like a prooperly brain-washed fellow taking consolation in old and established tradition of elders. You sounded so emotional and with such emotional people, they hardly appeal to scriptues in their arguments but to some traditions of their fathers. I doubt if you do study(I don't mean just read) your Bible. I only hope you are not leading some people in your chur because you will likely make them doubly children of the devil!

Tunisque: I tried so hard to ignore your post but then i thought of many that might be led astray if i chose to be silent. Left to me alone, i don't have the time. Talking about adding to the scriptures, please have you ever read 1Tim2:9,10 and 1Peter3:3,4 and if you had never seen it before, here is it for you: In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with braided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; but (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
And if you don't know, that was written by Apostle Paul and as if that's not enough Apostle Peter also emphasized here: Whose adorning, let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;but let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.

I wouldn't be surprise if you come up with a different interpretation but the fact is 'the letter killeth but it is the Spirit that giveth life' let me say it differently 'the letter confuses but it is the Spirit illuminates'. The question is which spirit interprets the word to you? Is it the Holy Spirit? or another spirit? or the spirit of the antichrist? If it is the Holy Spirit, then you will realise that using of earrings and the likes is wrong. Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ says He has many things to say to us but we can't bear them now(i.e at our initial stage of accepting Him as our Lord and Saviour) but when He (Holy Spirit- the Spirit of truth)is come,He will teach us many things. If the Holy Spirit has really worked on you, you will love God to the point that you wouldn't want to tamper with His design. What message are you passing across, are you saying He is not a perfect God? I can go on and on but let me leave you to Holy Spirit to do His perfect work. You think about what i've written and let the Spirit convict you. Stop hardening your heart. God Bless you.

Dear Tunisque, please try and go through this reply of mine. Also, you said you wouldn't be suprised if I give the passages you quooted another interpretation. I wonder what gave you the impression that your own interpretation is the anointed one! In any case, I got the explanation below from bibleqaa@yahoo.com. You may wish to clear controversial issues with them. They are ever willing to discuss. Happy reading.
In Gen. 35:4 - And they gave unto Jacob all the strange gods which were in their hand, and all their earrings which were in their ears; and Jacob hid them under the oak which was by Shechem. It is clear here that God had no problem with the earrings on their ears or else he wouldn’t have allowed them in the first place. Earrings are decorative in nature. In Ex 32:2-3 - And Aaron said unto them, Break off the golden earrings, which are in the ears of your wives, of your sons, and of your daughters, and bring them unto me. And all the people brake off the golden earrings which were in their ears, and brought them unto Aaron. And he received them at their hand, and fashioned it with a graving tool, after he had made it a molten calf: and they said, These be thy gods, O Israel, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt. Again, you can see from this passage that their earrings were not disturbing God until they were misused in verse 4. In verses 7 and 8 - And the LORD said unto Moses, Go, get thee down; for thy people, which thou broughtest out of the land of Egypt, have corrupted themselves: They have turned aside quickly out of the way which I commanded them: they have made them a molten calf, and have worshipped it, and have sacrificed thereunto, and said, These be thy gods, O Israel, which have brought thee up out of the land of Egypt. Until they misused their jewelries, God did not say they were corrupted! So it is very clear here that they were not corrupted by their earrings, they became corrupted through the misuse of a good thing. If jewelries were truly bad, would God have allowed the use in the first place? No. If something is truly a sin today, it will remain a sin forever!
The question now is this; did they go back to the use of their earrings after this unfortunate incident? The answer is yes. In Ex 35: 4-5 -And Moses spake unto all the congregation of the children of Israel, saying, This is the thing which the LORD commanded, saying, Take ye from among you an offering unto the LORD: whosoever is of a willing heart, let him bring it, an offering of the LORD; gold, and silver, and brass, … As you can see, the Lord Himself commanded that gold(whether in the form of earrings or bracelets, etc.), silver, brass and so on should be brought to Him. A lot of people have, in the name of religion or I know it all have corrupted the word of God and unless they repent, they may face the wrought of God! Now, let us read about the response of the children of Israel to God’s demand. In Ex 35: 20-22 - And all the congregation of the children of Israel departed from the presence of Moses. And they came, every one whose heart stirred him up, and every one whom his spirit made willing, and they brought the LORD'S offering to the work of the tabernacle of the congregation, and for all his service, and for the holy garments. And they came, both men and women, as many as were willing hearted, and brought bracelets, and earrings, and rings, and tablets, all jewels of gold: and every man that offered offered an offering of gold unto the LORD. As you can see, they gave earrings, rings, jewels, etc. to God and they were accepted by God. They were still using their earrings as children of God! Many are objecting to gold, earrings, and jewelries generally because they think it has something to do with evil spirit or whatever. That has no basis in scriptures. The devil can use anything. He is the prince of this world(see also Num 31:50)
Now, let us see some New Testament scriptures used by those objecting to the use of gold, jewelries, etc. before then, please note that what we read in the Old Testament is still relevant today. The OT as far as those things are concerned is still relevant. They are still part of God’s word. One should even ask; when did God stop the use of earrings? If you are against gold earrings, what about brass or silver or plastic earrings? So you can see that the moment we start tampering with God’s word, we get into a trap and continue to struggle with a lot of confusions because of our opinions. Opinions are just opinions and every one of us is entitled to his own wrong opinion.
In Mt 2:11, Jesus was given gold as gift. Even frankincense for perfume was also given. In 1Tim 2:9 - In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
This is a passage commonly used to deceive the unwary. What this passage is saying is that women should not make their outward appearance their main focus. They should understand that the inward is of more importance than their outward. They should not spend much of their time on their outward appearance. Modesty and moderation should guide all they do. One of the laws of interpretation is that you need to compare similar passages in order to understand the passage properly. In 1Pet 3:3 - Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel; If we are to follow the argument of those opposed to the use of gold and earrings, then by this passage, women should also not plait their hair and put on apparel! This is because the passage says; let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel Of course that will be ridiculous. The passage is only saying let not those things be your main focus. There is nothing wrong is looking attractive. There is nothing wrong in looking smart and good as long as your motive is right. The question we should ask before doing anything is; what is my motive? If you motive is right and it is no contrary to scriptures, then you are at liberty to go ahead. You don’t have to do exactly what others are doing. You may have light while they are still in darkness. Do you have to join them in darkness? Do you have to drop your light and continue to grope in darkness until they also see the light? No. Remain in the light and draw them from darkness if they are willing to come out of it.
My dear brother/sister, there is nothing wrong with the use of earrings. It is a matter of choice. Don’t let anybody judge you base on their own ignorance. People don’t have to use earrings just as people don’t have to eat. But those who use it should not be condemned because we don’t use it. It is a matter of choice.
Let us examine another common passage- Isaiah 3:16-24 - Moreover the LORD saith, Because the daughters of Zion are haughty, and walk with stretched forth necks and wanton eyes, walking and mincing as they go, and making a tinkling with their feet: Therefore the Lord will smite with a scab the crown of the head of the daughters of Zion, and the LORD will discover their secret parts. In that day the Lord will take away the bravery of their tinkling ornaments about their feet, and their cauls, and their round tires like the moon, The chains, and the bracelets, and the mufflers, The bonnets, and the ornaments of the legs, and the headbands, and the tablets, and the earrings, The rings, and nose jewels, The changeable suits of apparel, and the mantles, and the wimples, and the crisping pins, The glasses, and the fine linen, and the hoods, and the vails. And it shall come to pass, that instead of sweet smell there shall be stink; and instead of a girdle a rent; and instead of well set hair baldness; and instead of a stomacher a girding of sackcloth; and burning instead of beauty.
A careful study of these passages will reveal that the sin of the daughters of Zion(not all daughters) is in verse 16. The discipline starts from verse 17. They were proud because of their beauty. Therefore God decided to deprive them of those good things. Note also that before they became proud, they were using those things perhaps with moderation and humility. Part of the discipline was and instead of a girdle a rent; and instead of well set hair baldness; So you can see that those things are not bad in themselves. What we need to watch out for is the use to which we put them and the motive behind our actions. Just as the daughters of Zion were haughty, believers because they have cars, good education, beauty, position in the church could become haughty and will receive just discipline. Misuse of anything good does not make that thing bad. Today, people commit all sorts of atrocities with their fine cars. Does that mean we should stop using cars? No. Just look at the list and you will see some of the things believers are using today there. Let’s say my child continues to watch TV instead of studying and doing his assignments, I will only take the TV from him for some time until he is able to control the time he spends watching TV. The TV isn’t the problem. Lack of discipline on the part of my child is the problem. Also, I cannot control other families and say they must not watch TV because my child is undisciplined.
Another point is that you must not use a thing you are not convenient with in your heart. Whatever is not of faith is sin. If you feel immoderate about something, it is better to avoid for conscience sake. However, you cannot use your own conscience to direct me or others!. I have my own conscience and choices. Forcing your choice on me is an attempt to enslave me. This is sinful.

Tunisque: Whether the pictured was photochoped or not, one fact still remains and that is the bride was not putting on ear rings. And be that as it may, i am glad to tell you that God has taken control. Who knows the author of the 'photochoped picture' could even be some evil agent just out to tarnish the image of DL. But no matter their plan, they have failed, the Lord is with us like a mighty terrible one. Those criticizing should read their bible and do the right thing which i am very sure you know but only being hypocritical. Let me announce to you: this church is built on AMAZING GRACE, the devil cannot tear it down. Shalom.

Let us assume she did put in earrings, is there anythins scripturally wrong with that? The fact that that you don't do something as a person doesn't make it wrong for others. A lot of people are adding or removing from the Word and use that to teach men, forgetting that there is a curse on such people in Rev. Irrespective of you are, you are still a human being and prone to making mistakes.

Gad.:
It is natural to criticize what one does not fully understand. The quoted post is just a clear demonstration of the words used. Your opinion (to which you're entitled) is an index of the quality of your intellectual assessment of the subject, which can not command sufficient attention for noble reasoning. You cannot in any a positive way add to the knowledge I have gathered across the past 25yrs concerning the persons and organisation involved in the subject. I think it would be wise of you to make some positive enquiries, rather than the hasty and rash conclusions that reflect your level of ignorance of misinformation on the subject. You are free to correct me where I err, only be objective. Your reactions are understandable. Take care.

In your earlier post, you said God has given every child of God the power to make laws! Are we to make laws or obey His Word? If every child of God has been given the power to make laws, may I also make mine? Just imagine the confusion that would ensue if this were to be true! The Word of God is the final authority on any issue concerning man and I guess you are a DLfer. Indeed, any rule made by a pastor or any man of God must derive authority from God's Word. Or else the church becomes a cult. Imagine me as a pastor and I say women should no longer use the Aso-Oke(Yoruba traditioonal stuff), and yet the could use George, does that make sense to you. I ask again, the 'recommended' styles, were they received from mount Horeb like someone asked here? Again, are we to be giuded by traditions of men or the Holy Spirit? Is the Holy Spirit for all believers? My dear, you mentioned your 25 years experience in DL I suppose. What you need to understand is that you could be wrong for 25 years without knowing it especially if you always believe you only have the truth. Those who would have taught you one or two things will leave you to your ignorance and pride. A man boasted like you that TV will never be allowed in DL. He bosted in ignorance of God's Word. Today, he has eaten back his words. Before, the law was that women must cover always their head, today it has changed. Why? Because these rules or laws as you call them have no basis in scriptures. God will only confirm His Words and not your opinions. Dear friend, it is pride to always thibk you know everything in 25 years and to also think only your church is the gateway to heaven. Apparently, you have not been following the GS' messages. I can share some with you if you are interested. God is still using people we call foolish to confound the wise. Meanwhile I will like you to click on this site which somebody shared with me and be blessed. Never say never!God bless you real good. http://www.cultwatch.com/legalism.html

kaorama: For me it has been long Tunde Bakare missed the road. And for u, do u even read the bible not to talk of understanding the bible. God has given His children the power to make laws. Disloyalty will take many christians to hell than fornication. Leave the church and do what u like or remain and obey.

Ok, I will also make my own law. Everybody should start wearing trousers! My friend, you are terribly ignorant! But why did you have to remove all doubts? Haba!

Gad.:
Those who call for and expect a change or modification of what they call "Deeper Life doctrine" err.
1. Dressing is a culture which Deeper life, expects every believer (not members only) to do in the light of scriptures and in line with the principles of holiness as revealed in the Bible. The WORLD knows that you will be addressed by the way you dress; so also does heaven.Dressing is not a doctrine in Deeper Life.
2. Any one who spends his/her days expecting any of the Scripture founded doctrines taught in Deeper Life will go to the grave still expecting. As NONE WILL BE CHANGED. Except there is divine evidence of a change in the Person and Word of God, which heaven, hell and earth know CANNOT be. Nothing is missed if one keeps the Word against socio-cultural popularity and make heaven.

Dear, you are terribly ignorant! I need not say more!!!

sheniqua: Are you a member of deeper life?

You see what I am saying here?
Any rules not made by God will crumble with time
The watching of TV has proven that
The wearing of suits by men
The wearing of non turtle neck
Now hats and stylish suits are in
This wedding saga is not in vain,it is for a purpose
If Christ tarries,we will look back and see that John and Love Kumuyi started a trend that will forever change weddings in deeper life.
Let us watch and see
I know some die hards will think Kumuyi is slacking in the " holiness standard "
He is a man and just like us all,he is also a student in the things of God
God looks at the heart

@ Esther do not condemn the current GS wife
That is her style
Sister Biodun had her style,you copied her,now that there is a new First Lady in deeper life, you can also copy her style if you wish,the GS approves of it since you want his approval before deciding what to wear.

Thank you for this piece . Has anybody bothered to even ask whether the styles were from heaven or just what a particular
person likes ? Those women put on what they liked that is not offensive to God ! So a member does not have to copy someone's style just because she is a leader but only because you like her style or else you become a slave to that person's likes and dislikes ! A member is free to put on any style as long as it follows principles of Christian dressing . Pastor Kumuyi , from his messages I have heard have mentioned these things over and over but his leaders who are trapped by religion would have none of that and would also not want wiser members to be free either ! May God help His Church !

m.esther96:
we r nt allowd 2 use cap or hat,yet pas kumuyi's wife uses hats,women here ar nt alowd 2 use suit,yet she is using 1,hyprocrites!! wateva mde her diff 4rm d eva faithful former gs wife...rip Sis Abiodun Kumuyi!

Please let us be careful . Nobody stops a DLfer from putting on hat in Nigeria or elsewhere . The problem I see is that some leaders under him have simply refused to change ! They continue to enslave their members in the name of righteousness . In some regions today , if you use hat as a woman , some members there will see you as a sinner . Can you imagine that ? Students in DL secondary school use hat . Who will say they cannot use hats thereafter ? Methink the level of exposure , poor reading habit or lack of it , level of understanding is a serious issue that has to be dealt with in DL. It is also important that leaders from a particular level upwards should go for management training outside the church to learn how to lead people and not see them as just numbers and tools again !

OLAADEGBU: The Greek word of world means kosmos, which means that which is ordered or arranged, and this has 5 different meanings.

1. The universe created by God with design and order (Matt. 13:25; Acts 17:24).

2. The planet earth.

3. The total of mankind (John 3:16).

4. The total of human existence in this present life, with all of its experience and possessions (1 Cor. 7:33).

5. The world order alienated from God, in rebellion against him, and condemned for its godlessness.

You have to be specific as to which meaning of the world you are asking me to define.

Based on you definition above, please let me know some things specifically that christians do that may be clssified as worldly. For example is the use of earrings worldly? Please support your answers with scriptures. Shalom.

OLAADEGBU: May God bless you and keep you to the end. Amen.

nabsprada:

I pity al dose who quit dai service 2 God cos of d mistake of anoda man...dis no doubt is a seed of discord planted by d devil among d brethren...plz watch wat u say...as 4 me,i've droped al my ear rings,attachments n d likes{dt was even afta dis incidence} nt 4 kumuyi's sake bt 4 d salvation of my own soul...i've neva regretted dt decision...my earnest prayer is 4 d perfect will of God 2 prevail in d end...shalom.
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@nabsprada,
You are only a religious person. You dropped those things not because they are sinful, but because you want to have a feeling of righteousness , appear to men as being righteous and please men. RELIGION! The pharisees were like that too! Religion will never be able to save you! Read Rom. 10:1-3; Col 2:16-23; Gal 1:10-14;Isiah 8:20.ay God give us understanding!

OLAADEGBU: Very true.

Please, define the world.

Ladies and gentlemen, I think enough is enough about this issue. I think so. John and Love have made an unforgettable statement against tradition thsat chains, apology or no apology. Another Luther? In their apology letter, they did not apologise to God. They have only apologised to men! So let's relax. God is working!

tomakint: The General Superintendent of the Deeper Life Bible Church, Pastor W.F Kumuyi, has always been known as the father of Jerry and John, two sons born to him by his wife, Abiodun, who sadly passed away a couple of years ago. The two young boys were quite unobtrusive in the church, and did not enjoy the privileges of the ‘sons of the pastor,’ as would have been the case in other places.

They sang in the children choir, later graduated into the youth choir, and were quite active there till they went abroad in search of the golden fleece. They came into their own, became professionals, and have been living in the United States of America for some time. Though not a member of the Deeper Life Bible Church in the strict sense of the word, I am fairly close to the ministry. I also know Pastor Kumuyi fairly well, since that time I first interviewed him as Features Editor of National Concord in 1996. Two pastors with the church, Segun Babatope and Eluem Emeka Izeze, are media top shots, and have always facilitated my meetings with Kumuyi.

When Abiodun was buried in April 2009, I was at the funeral service in the sprawling campground of the church in Ayobo, Lagos. I still clearly remember the tribute paid by the senior son, Jerry, to his departed mum. If there was a staid, sober family, groomed in the finest traditions of Christian puritanism, it was the Kumuyis.

A number of times, I had privately wondered how Jerry and John coped with life in ‘godless’ America, and also asked myself whether they would become preachers like their dad, a great apostle of holiness, if ever there was one. Jerry and John kept their low profile, inconspicuous lifestyle, and were great ambassadors of the church, and of their father, at least till June 15 this year, when the younger son decided to take a wife.

Yes, young men must marry, nothing incompatible with holiness in that, or is there? In getting married, Christians are urged not to be “unduly yoked together.” It simply means they should not go for someone that does not share their faith. John Kumuyi did not rebel against the heavenly vision.

He went for Love Odih, daughter of a thoroughbred, dyed-in- the- wool Deeper Life member and pastor. Her father had been State Overseer in Cross River State, and is now National Overseer of the church in Jamaica. Iron was surely set to sharpen iron, “ just as a friend sharpens the countenance of his friend.” The deed was done in Jamaica on June 15, but rather than be the quiet, solemn, subdued ceremony that the Deeper Life Church is known for, it has thrown up a whiff of controversy, leading to the suspension of Mr and Mrs Kumuyi as workers in the church.

At a time they should be savoring the conjugal bliss of marital life, they now have to worry about this fatwa of some sort, this Sword of Damocles hanging over their heads.

What were the ‘sins’ of the young Kumuyis? You know how Deeper Life conducts its weddings. No frills, no pomp, no ceremony. “Let your moderation be known to all men, the Lord is at hand.” No fitted, flowing wedding gowns, no bouquet of flowers, no wedding cake, no long bridal train, and nothing of the kind of wedding gown in which you see the breasts of the bride threatening to pop out and hit the officiating pastor in the face.

Not in Deeper Life. Never. Not when the Lord is at hand. And of course, no permed hair, no make- ups, no jewelry of any sort. That has been the tradition since Kumuyi started the church in the 1970s. And you didn’t think it was his son that was going to remove the ancient landmarks, no matter how long he had lived abroad. But see Love Odih in Jamaica on June 15. She pulled out all the stops, broke all the rules, and almost set the church on fire round the globe.

The new Mrs Kumuyi stepped out in a fitted wedding gown, with see through short sleeves, carried a bouquet of flowers, wore jewelry, and her face was made up.

Her relaxed hair was even partially uncovered in church. Pastor Kumuyi and his new wife, Esther, were there in their puritanical estate. Did they develop apoplexy on seeing the bride? Were they pleading the ‘blood of Jesus’ and asking for mercy? Did they feel like crawling under a table to hide? Well, the wedding held, and each went to his home. But the story did not end there. A mighty controversy broke out in Deeper Life Church, threatening to overshadow decades of holiness preaching by Kumuyi.

The wedding pictures hit the Internet, and it generated debates almost worldwide. Are there two sets of rules in Deeper Life, one for the members, and another for the ‘first family?’ If it had been the children of ‘lesser’ people, would they not have been sanctioned for flouting the practices of the church?

Will this rebellion go unpunished? Will Pastor Kumuyi bend the rules because his son was involved? When I first saw the wedding pictures online, I felt it was computer manipulation. No, this would not be the wedding of Kumuyi’s son, when the world had not yet ended, I told myself. But it turned out real. It was John and his bride, and no mistake.

Well, I am an old school Christian. I believe the old school is the real school. I subscribe to old time religion, it’s good enough for me. But I by no means condemn the new generation believers, as long as they hold on to the essentials of the faith- salvation through the shed blood of Jesus, holiness, righteousness and purity of life, heaven, hell, judgment- and so on. In essentials, unity, in non-essentials, liberty. For me, certain things constitute non-essentials to getting to heaven.

How you did your hair, or decided not to do it, how you painted your face, or decided not to paint it, how you carried your bouquet of flowers, or decided not to carry it, how long or short the sleeves of your dress was, and so on. But there is Christian moderation and modesty. If your heart had been truly circumcised through the new birth, there were certain things that would be unseemly, and naturally offensive to you. The word of God becomes a lamp to your feet, and a light to your path, and you want to obey implicitly. So I don’t split hairs over what anybody wears or doesn’t wear. If something has happened in your heart, it manifests on the outward. Simple. You can’t run with the hares and hunt with the hounds.

But this piece is not about me, it is about John Kumuyi and his bride, so let’s return to them. These are my concerns and posers, without necessarily condemning the newlyweds. Did they forget the children of whom they were?

Did they forget that the eyes of the world would be on them? Did they do right? Did they do wrong? Let’s check two scriptural passages germane to the issue at hand. Proverbs 22:28.”Remove not the ancient landmarks, which thy fathers have set.” 1 Peter 3, 3 and 4:”Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel; “But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.”

Kumuyi has preached the above with fervency all his life. He even weeps on the altar at times when he talks of how the modern church has watered down the word of God. Being members of Deeper Life Church, did John and Love do well to have attempted to remove the ancient landmarks accepted as fundamental by the church? You answer. Again, the church is known for not using adornment of any kind.

Was Love, daughter of a National Overseer right to have broken ranks, while she remained a member of the church? Did she commit a sin, or did she not? You answer. Yet again. Did Love wear the jewelry and make up her face only on wedding day? Did her father not know long before now that she wore jewelry? This time, let the father of the bride answer.

And did John not know that the outward appearance of his bride would cause ruckus in the church, and as son of the General Superintendent, it might not be expedient? John, please answer. But if Love was the one John loved, and she is truly regenerated, loves the Lord, but is not convinced that using adornment is a sin, should Kumuyi’s son not have followed his heart? If he had married someone who conformed in terms of external appearance, but was worse than the Devil inwardly, would that have been wise?

You answer. Questions, and more questions. Was the church right in suspending the new couple? Will Love now discard her earrings and pomade before being restored to membership? What if she does not, will she go to hell? What if John asks her to now conform, and she says no, does he then put her away?

We know there is no room for divorce in Christian marriage, “ For I hate putting away, says the Lord.” So, does he carry the cross of a disobedient wife for life? Or does he live with the guilty conscience of having repudiated what his father preached for decades? Or do they move to another church that does not frown at adornments and lively dressing?

Should they? Wouldn’t they be further breaking the hearts of their parents, and making them feel like failures? Is there sin in this entire matter? I don’t think so. But I don’t have the final say, God does. But is there disobedience, and some form of rebellion? I think there is. And “ rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry.” 1 Samuel 15:23.

After their suspension was announced last weekend by the church, a letter of apology written by John and Love was equally read, in which they said they did not willfully break the rules of the church, and that their action was informed by the fact that they had lived abroad for some time, and were distracted by the cultural differences. Does this mean that there is a God for those who live in Nigeria, and another for those who live in other parts of the world? And does that God have different instructions for conduct, depending on the part of the world you lived in? I don’t understand.

Somebody help me. Now that the young Kumuyis have apologized, should they be forgiven? Some people say yes, others say no. To err is human, to forgive divine. But did they err in the first place? Yes, in the context of the church to which they belonged, they erred. But did they sin? You answer. I only know that the Good Book says “ he that knows what is right to do, and does not do it, to him it is a sin.” But then, what is right in this circumstance? Oh, these questions will not stop.

I have always wondered what will happen to Deeper Life after Kumuyi. I put the question to him one time in an interview. And he told me he would want the church to stay faithful to the holiness message, and to evangelism, after he has gone to his reward. But right before the eyes of the preacher, the goalpost is being shifted, the ancient landmark is being removed by no other than his own beloved son. What does this say of post-Kumuyi era? Or is it time for the church itself to begin to ‘loosen up’ and bend some of its own rules deemed anachronistic by the younger generation? Like I said earlier, I am old school, and it is good enough for me.

But what of those who think we are stuffy and archaic? If this has started happening right in the household of Kumuyi, will the current practices endure after him? Are we having a foretaste of the Deeper Life of the future? Will it be a better church, or will it amount to backsliding? I don’ t know the answer, maybe you do. I’m all ears.
- Femi Adesina

http://sunnewsonline.com/new/columns/the-dust-raised-by-kumuyis-son/

Thanks for this long one. To tell you the truth, you have only ended up praising tradition above the word of God just like the Pharisees did. Rom. 10:1-4 says - 1 ¶ Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.
2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
From the above scripture, a lot of people especially DLfers that I know have been going about to establish their own righteousness. god's righteousness is just too easy. It must be hard.
Now talking about ancient landmark, what exactly is the meaning of this? If we are to really follow what you are insinuating in your post, them we should not ride in cars, not post things on internet, put on the kind of dresses worn in the ancient days, live in huts, not move near our dead bodies, not build beautiful churches, etc, etc. Please define the ancient landmark for proper discussion and our understanding. I know it is one of those terms used to disuade people from progressing and yet those who are preaching it are moving forward. They must keep the birds in the cage.
On Old time religion, please tell us if the old time religion involves the use of microphone, putting on fine suits, shoes, riding fine cars, using e-Bible, taking photographs,cover your hair 24hrs as a woman, no TV and so on. I think we need to stop deceiving ourselves and and ask the holy Sporit to interpret the scriptures to us. You are flying in planes and you are talking of old time religion. You go to the university instead of a seminary and you are talking of old time religion. I sense pride in action. Please note Luke 16:15 - Lu 16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.
Let us not boast in works anymore. God resists those who are proud of their relogious works.

success4: My brother, not ALL pharisee will miss heaven. To tell you the truth, Daniel was a Pharisee.
God bless you!

I actually meant Pharisees with attitudes condemned by Jesus' Christ. This should not be an issue please if you can read between the lines.

Colin Adua: A bunch of over pampered kids!

A sister once told me that during her Deeper Life wedding that the wife of the regional overseer searched thoroughly for perming underneath their locally plaited hair, and if she had noticed one, that person would have been chased out of the wedding right there on her wedding day.

Now, somebody in the same church, after years of humiliating and openly rebuking others for far lesser offfence, has the effrontery to adorn herself with perming(are you sure, that, is not weavon/wig), makeup, earing, wedding gown, see through show shoulder dress, against the church's 38 years preaching/ standard and the wedding was allowed to hold, while the GS was present, just because of what? Probably, because she is being married to the GS (Oga on top) son. And deeper life members were there, clapping for them, beaming with smiles, inside deeper life church. You people needs to try more harder to explain to me that there is no DOULBE STANDARD.

Resignation or no resignation, apology or no apology, suspension or no suspension, discipline or no discipline, all those are meaningless medicine after death, the wedding has been permitted, the damage has been done. Why did the church allow the worldly wedding to hold in the first place? Didnt they see her make up at their traditional wedding two days before? Are the members afraid to rebuke the son of their pastor? All these shenanigans, laterly is just, far far far foul, a move to stop other members from giving their children high society wedding, after they have already given it to their kids.

Is it not outright hypocrisy, double standard and lack of integrity? Am still very shocked, disappointed and I feel betrayed. I did not attend the wedding of someone very close to me, I did not take pictures with them, neither did I eat their cake and food at the hall, in my protest that I did not support him marrying an unbeliever, neither do I support his flambouyant worldly wedding, partly because of the church then, now look at this. How will he see me now? Is it not an outright betrayal?

Pastor Kumuyi would have shown us the stuff he was made of(if he was actually made of any stuff). He was there, sat quietly, took pictures with them, probably, drank their wine (are you sure that wine wasnt alcoholic), listened to their songs(I wonder what they were singing about, in that shameless disobedience to a constituted organisation), possibly ate their cake and food. Then flown back to Nigeria and started waving resignation over our faces. He doesnt need to offer resignation, as I read from a paper, he should have submitted a resignation letter, gone home collected all the wedding pictures and videos from the naughty couple and get them burnt, if he is serious.

I find it difficult listening to his messages again, because I keep asking myself, do this man mean all these things he is saying? If not the issue with my PC, I would have gotten all of them deleted from my HDD.

What has happened to open rebuke, that the church has been preaching? What has happened to showing our faith by our works? What has happened to " a leader's sin is a leading sin" condemnation? Why didnt kumuyi call off or halt that wedding when he saw that girl like that? Why didnt he cancel it and chase those bunch of naughty kids out of the church, as has been done to so many other people in the past (as I heard, I never witnessed any), as the general overseer of the whole branches? He would have welded his cane immediately. A worthy shepherd can never see a sheep getting lost and keep quiet and after it must have gotten lost and eaten he now starts looking for it.

If he had chased them out of the church and had postponed the wedding, now I would have been celebrating him, boasting and thumping my chest. And my respect for him would have gone back to 100%. But he sat there and kept quiet, while his kids were disobeying the church, now he is crying foul and rejecting apology. Thats crying when the head is already cut off, medicine after death, an outright double standard, because no one in his right senses can believe that he did not consent to the wedding.

The high society wedding, has already been done, the pictures are probably somewhere waiting to be enlarged, framed and hanged. Few years from now, the kids will look at them and possibly grin with satisfaction and give themselves high five and thumbs up, that they looked good during their day. And other members will still be shackled down from happiness, freedom and liberty with unnecessary laws.

Had it been that this happened to another pastor like Lazarus Mouka, deeper life members would have piecesed him. They will talk and talk and talk untill their arses starts talking. Only God knows what they would have said. Now, it has happened to Deeper Life and they are defending their pastor, trying to sweep it under the carpet. Thank God for the media, it would have been cleverly underplayed.

My respect for him has gone from 70% to -20%. He should be disciplined and suspended for sitting quietly, consenting to that wedding, just like the Jamaican national overseer. If God is still interested in DL, HE will raise somebody far better than him. Nobody is indispensable. Kumuyi should get off there for some time it will help us to recover easily, retaining him as GS for now is still amounting to another double standard, an unfair treatment, since the Jamaican overseer, has been suspended. A lot of pastors in deeper life has been disciplined for an offence far lesser. PLEASE HE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO LIVE BY EXAMPLE.

Deeper life should go and put the church in order, making sure that those bunch of over pampered kids, did not give birth before 9 months of their wedding. They should counsel, monitor and nurtur them so that they should not fight and divorce. Because that will finish the already dented image of the church. A woman who can shamelessly, globally and overtly disobey an old constituted organisation, she grew up in, with alacrity, without minding whose ox is gored, doesnt seem like an ideal virtuous, submisssive wife to me.

Maybe God has seen these lack of integrity, far before we do and raised a new pastor in the person of Lazarus Mouka for himself and us.

I wish, finally someone will just tell me that this is not true, that it didnt happen. I wish I can wake up and find all this a dream.

Kai, na waoh! am stranded. I never imagined nor expected this from a family we boast of and look up to.

PLEASE FORGIVE ME FOR THIS WRITEUP, IF THAT WORLDLY WEDDING DID NOT HAPPEN AFTER ALL.

Colin.

Dear Colin,
From your post, you a typical DLer who hardly study the Bible and check things up like the Berean Christians. Imagine, you attended weddings of unbelievers and you refused to take pictures, eat and so on. Why did you go there in the first place? Are you for real? Let's even say they are sinners, didn't Christ eat with sinners without sinning? You couldn't eat at a wedding not take pictures? I still want to assume you are just joking! Let me tell you this, the GS has been teaching against this Pharisee attitude of yours but you people will hardly because you have been wired the unscriptural way. The GS did not betray or disappoint anybody! You have your brain, you have Bible, you can reason, you have eyes, you have Jesus to look up to but you didn't use what God gave you and you thought you could get to heaven as a Pharisee. I won't quote any scripture now because I'm not sure you have deleted those traditions from your subconscious. I have a feeling that you don't even visit your parents or siblings because they are unbelievers. I suspect the problem you had then was that even though some of the things did not make sense to you but you were too obedient without thinking and too afraid to 'rebel'. The GS has no fault. The wedding was alright. By your 'standard', it may not be alright but by Bible standard which you have replaced with man's standard, it was ok whether you like it or not. Those people you have offended by your tradition, go and apologise to them. Be humble please. You wrongly saw the GS as a cult leader which he is not. He is distinctively a man og God. I'm sorry but I still think you are just joking!!!