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Politics › Re: Subsidy Removal; The way out by jpphilips(op): 1:10pm On Jun 12, 2015
Can you brief us further the experience of NECONDE where they have operated such assets to justify the transfer. ....Jp philips
Kaboninc replies


NECONDE is a consortium of 3 (4) companies:.....Kabnonic
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It is clear I was dealing with an individual with class A comprehension deficiency
Politics › Re: Subsidy Removal; The way out by jpphilips(op): 12:58pm On Jun 12, 2015
I can't join issues with Nebo till I am convinced beyond reasonable doubt, pipeline operations are not done in the moon, if Nebo can see vandalized gas pipelines, why not me? does he have a special eye?.....jp philips
Kabnonic reads and interprete thus;

why do you think it is the minister of power that replaces(or is responsible for replacing vandalized pipelines)?.....Kabnonic
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Politics › Re: Subsidy Removal; The way out by jpphilips(op): 12:33pm On Jun 12, 2015
baralatie:
okay! I get your part of the model
but the issue of consumer protection should be the CBC(consumer protection board). it could be enlarged and have increased powers to supervise the protection of the consumer end
That is where outright removal (deregulation) is a bit tricky, once you deregulate, the government will lose control completely, does the government tell phone sellers at Computer village how to sell their goods?
But this is energy we are talking about, the "racketeering" and "cabalism" will never allow a free market after deregulation hence it is not in the interest of the people.
The only protection we have in the downstream sector is subsidy, it just has to be phased out not removed outrightly.
Politics › Re: Subsidy Removal; The way out by jpphilips(op): 12:20pm On Jun 12, 2015
before 1998, the Russian govt banks guarantee LOCs for imports whether subsidized or not, due to the devaluation, the government made a paradigm shift and left LOC'S for commercial banks........Jp philips
Kabonic reads then interprete thus;


The government of Russia guaranteed LOCs (which means they incurred all liabilities)....Kabonic
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Pretty obvious comprehension is a very big problem for a lot of people
Politics › Re: Subsidy Removal; The way out by jpphilips(op): 11:00am On Jun 12, 2015
baralatie:
I was thinking of moving forward to a more sustainable solution having identified the above observation.
in your Op,the solutions were more like to sanitize the oil and gas sector but after been sanitized.is it sustainable to operate a system that exist as of present.
Why will you want to suffer people when there are things you are not doing right? the subsidy regimen as it is today is not sustainable, no doubt about that, so, it is not a question of whether subsidy will go but a question of "how will subsidy go"?
The outright removal of AGO subsidy brought some latent issues for consideration.
Most people who push for outright removal have failed to see that subsidy plays two functions;

1) Lower energy cost
2) consumer protection.

Any plan or model, that ignores any of those points above will spell disaster for Nigerians.
Politics › Re: Subsidy Removal; The way out by jpphilips(op): 10:49am On Jun 12, 2015
"Don’t misquote me: I said the Central Bank of Nigeria and the Federal Ministry of Finance have complementary roles but the CBN is independent. But of course there is coordination".......Okonjo Iweala
Gentlemen!! does the above statement sound like someone who was "oblivious" that the naira will be devalued? why will a sane person be distracting me with whose office did it than looking at what the Minister could have done to protect us from the Liabilities of the devaluation?

CBN devalued the naira under her watch, she did absolutely nothing to protect the FG from the liabilities of the devaluation, is that not an inefficiency? An inefficiency that Nigeria will spend N200b for nothing? Phase 1 of the plan is still in play!!

I welcome other sane and objective criticisms.
Politics › Re: Subsidy Removal; The way out by jpphilips(op):
kaboninc:
I see you've left out all my lectures on issues you claim you have an idea. Such a pity you couldn't appreciate it.

How many people have graced your ideas? How many have sustained the discussion with you? You should be grateful that I even did. At least you know what Letters of Credits are, you know how the exchange rate differentials came about, you know who's responsible for managing the local tender - that includes devaluing the naira, you know the distinction between the roles of the CBN governor to that of a Federal Minister of Finance, you know that the imports on PMS are done on behalf of the government. Oh, lastly, you don't go about freely giving out false claims on the status of OML assets being operated by NPDC.

Gosh, did you forget OML 88 and the Oriri Marginal Field? And the how my explanation (which you termed a "sermon"wink on how DSO is in favour of the NGC's business model?
Stop twisting my words, I never told you that Russia transferred LoC's Liability? I used the phrase "Paradigm shift", for the records, Before the devaluation, Russian Government owned banks issue LOC's, in other to absolve the government of liabilities accrued due to devaluation, the russian government stopped the government owned banks from issuing LOC's, it is there in the article you refused to read.

A Commercial bank who issued LOC's incurred a liability as much as $500,000, the reason I used it here is because a sane country did something to avoid a liability the co ordinator of your economy has incurred on Nigeria.

Again, I was never in contention whose job it is to devalue the currency, as the coordinator of the Economy, it wouldn't happen without her knowledge, that i can easily prove.

Again, when Soludo co ordinated our Economy, Nigeria imported petroleum products, there was not only a drop in crude prices but also an economic meltdown that forced Soludo to devalue the Naira, why did we not pay exchange rate differentials then?

Finally, You have danced around NECONDE so badly that I have gotten the information I need, NECONDE as a consortium has no track record whatsoever in oil and gas operations, rather your infinite wisdom is suggesting to Nigerians to manage them because individually they have succeeded elsewhere, I said, it is not acceptable; even if I should agree with your abysmal analysis, the highest stake holder in the NECONDE consortium has only operated a "Marginal oil field" transferred in 2013 and he is not operating it alone, there is no proof that the oil field is successful, hence the phase 4 of the plan is still in play.

You also do not have a damn idea why DSO for gas is a bad model, never mind that you could not point to a single country with proven gas reserves as much as Nigeria practicing it.

I careless how you use sermons to bamboozle yourself, when you are tired, you will go back to sequestrate what I said from what you think i said.

Like I said before, I am not looking for a match, I am actually looking for people who have common sense, my postulation is based on simple common sense, If you don't have it, I can't help you.

I will attend to others when I am less busy.


Politics › Re: Subsidy Removal; The way out by jpphilips(op): 9:57am On Jun 12, 2015
kaboninc:
Oh Soludo....

Soludo was initially the Chief Economic Adviser to Obasanjo and later the CBN Governor. At no damn time was he the co-ordinator of the Economy. Stop dashing him titles. Hope you're enjoying my lectures.

Then again, maybe in your own world will a head of a government agency/parastatal be the Co-ordinator of the Economy.
Very well then, You have no idea who co ordinated your economy during OBJ's era, thank me later!!
Politics › Re: Subsidy Removal; The way out by jpphilips(op):
kaboninc:
Whoever listens to this guy is in deep sh.it.

NNPC is not our problem? So why the PwC report? Why the eyes on NNPC?
You see why I asked you to calm down and hide till people who understand my "ambiguous" statements join the discussion.
NNPC is not our problem, NPDC is.
Politics › Re: Subsidy Removal; The way out by jpphilips(op): 8:48pm On Jun 11, 2015
kaboninc:
Oh Soludo....

Soludo was initially the Chief Economic Adviser to Obasanjo and later the CBN Governor. At no damn time was he the co-ordinator of the Economy. Stop dashing him titles. Hope you're enjoying my lectures.

Then again, maybe in your own world will a head of a government agency/parastatal be the Co-ordinator of the Economy.
Who was co ordinating the economy under Obasanjo? mention a name!!
Politics › Re: Subsidy Removal; The way out by jpphilips(op): 8:44pm On Jun 11, 2015
baralatie:
okay!now what would be the sustainable solution by govt in these three major areas that you have further highlighted excluding NPDC first.
NPDC was never the first plan, read the OP again.
Rebasing of NPDC and return of their assets is not even the first plan,
Politics › Re: Subsidy Removal; The way out by jpphilips(op): 8:37pm On Jun 11, 2015
kaboninc:
I will teach you a lesson today so that tomorrow, when discussing in a public forum, you learn to articulate your points in a clear, unambiguous, and concise way that one can easily understand when reading.

You talk about the pedigree of Neconde. A simple search on the website tells us that Neconde is a consortium of companies formed to acquire an interest. So when talking about the SPV, do you talk about the entity Neconde or the components of what constitute it?



You still don't know that being a chairman of a company does not make you the majority shareholder of that company. When I say you don't know. Believe it. The website said it is a major and not "majority" because a 40% stake is a major holding.



I didn't say I was looking for a match but you're not my match.
Chairman of a company? ? do you understand English at all?
if you form a consortium, do you give chairmanship to a minority stake holder?
Apply common sense and stop trolling!!
Politics › Re: Subsidy Removal; The way out by jpphilips(op): 8:34pm On Jun 11, 2015
baralatie:
@kaboninc,this is the summarized format of his write up
1.probe and forensic audit of
a,payment structure of import proceeds in the NnPC
2.Power generation and distribution remodelling based on population grid
3.Disposal of kerosene
4.restructure of Npdc
5.debasing
6.turn around maintenance of refineries.



all of these are basically centered on SANITIZATION.
ALTHOUGH,it has some flaws as you mentioned earlier but with this highlights.it is a lot easier to edit and work out that 'clicth'
@jpphillips I hope the reduced format can be worked on to achieve at a sustainable solution.

N.B Keeping it simple is gun in math class
You are summarizing for someone who claimed the plan is flawed but can't answer a single question there in?

You are summarizing for someone who is carried away with irrelevant sermons with no bearing to the subject of discourse?

you have time.


If he is confident of the flaws, let him answer those questions.
Politics › Re: Subsidy Removal; The way out by jpphilips(op): 8:14pm On Jun 11, 2015
baralatie:
is Russia suffering from oil and gas abnormally
Do you expect Kaboninc to answer you? all he is interested is dat Nigeria guaranteed LOC for oil because of subsidy while Russia did not guarantee any.
But common sense did not tell him that before 1998, the Russian govt banks guarantee LOCs for imports whether subsidized or not, due to the devaluation, the government made a paradigm shift and left LOC'S for commercial banks.

He doesn't want to appreciate the move that saved the government some liability because he is yet to realize how dumb iweala is.

The guy is just childish, he doesn't even understand that the bone of convention is the options available to the government not the commodity.

The loss that sank a commercial bank would have sunk the government, he is so disconnected to realize that the arguement is the inability of the Nigerian government to protect itself.
I really don't have his time.
Politics › Re: Subsidy Removal; The way out by jpphilips(op): 8:01pm On Jun 11, 2015
kaboninc:
Only in your widest imagination that Soludo was the "economic co-ordinator". So appalling to hear that from you.




The CBN Governor does not need any sil.ly nod from any co-ordinator of the economy before taking decisions as the devaluation of the naira. Do you know what they call the MPR Committee?

So this word/phrase "economic co-ordinator" was it in Soludo's administration or Iweala's tenure you began to hear about it?



I believe there was.



There f.ucking WAS A DROP!



Or you didn't argue? Someone who didn't argue on whose job it is to devalue the naira but "fixed" culpability on a woman who has no business in devaluing the naira? Oh you never said so? Hmmmm, let me remind you because you seem to have a short memory span:



Can you remember now?



Ahhhhh, I don't know what the Russians did about the LOCs taken. But sir, were the LOCs taken on behalf of the government? Was the government sponsoring the LOCs? Mr, you're not talking to kids here.



Mr, was Soludo responsible for oil subsidy payments? Go read your books...and read it properly! And stop arguing on subjects you know absolutely nothing about!
Who was the co ordinator of the Economy under Obasanjo?
Politics › Re: Subsidy Removal; The way out by jpphilips(op): 8:00pm On Jun 11, 2015
[quote author=baralatie post=34664159][/quote]Importing pet. products by an oil producing country is madness, however, the fact that Nigeria does not have local production capacity, leaves us with little or no option but import.


Refinery rehabilitation is phase 6, it is the least of our problems. Whether it is done by the Government, privatized or operated by private experienced firms is immaterial.


NNPC is not our problem, NPDC is
Politics › Re: Subsidy Removal; The way out by jpphilips(op):
kaboninc:
Nobody asked me the composition of NECONDE? But you asked about the pedigree of a recently floated CONSORTIUM? This guy sef. You still amaze me. Do you know what a consortium is?

Another thing you still do not get. In the article you quoted, Gobowen holds a major stake. Hope you know that it doesn't really make them the majority shareholder? Hope you're learning. What do you term a company that holds a 40% stake? A minor stakeholder? You attempt here is just void.


Did you read my submission about Serinus Energy? I am so sure you didn't.


Maybe when you start learning how to properly digest issues...
Nobody asked you to give us a break down of companies that make up the NECONDE consortium.
You are just a Google noise maker that think people are interested in your 30mins research.

Tell me the pedigree of NECONDE that justifies the acquisition, was the simple question you couldnt answer.

you think that the Pedigree of Kaztek equals the pedigree of Chrome group.
Please go back to school.

Give us the pedigree of NECONDE not the companies that formed it, thank you!!

The chairman of Gobowen is the Chairman of the NECONDE consortium, do you expect Gobowen to have a minority stake?

So if you form a consortium, you will give chairmanship position to a minority stake holder?

Their website said it is a major stake and you are still not convinced?
Can someone help this young man to awaken his common sense.

You said you are looking for a match to argue with you, well, I am looking for someone who has commonsense.
Politics › Re: Subsidy Removal; The way out by jpphilips(op): 7:25pm On Jun 11, 2015
kaboninc:
My problem with jpphilips' post is that the claims there are false and flawed. So if in the first place the claims are not true and having been able to show that they are indeed not true, all his solutions become a nullity.

In the course of outlining how faulty his claims have been, I also advanced my own solutions. I expected him to look at mine and make his observations. Rather he attacks my points disproving his and brings into discussion, ideas he can't even defend.

In summary, he wants a gradual removal of subsidy. I support a complete removal of subsidy immediately going by experiences. Two, he talks about NPDC and their activities. His claims, especially allegations he not only can't prove, he can't even sustain, I have shown that they are wrong. He brings on the capabilities of Neconde. I went as far as bringing to fore the shareholding structure which he knows little about. Then the LOCs which I initially cleared in my first post. Then the devaluation of the naira and exchange rate differentials. Then talked about the DSO and the NGC model? Haba.....we are not kids on a roller coaster ride here.

He wants the refineries be worked on and I said they should be sold out rightly.

So we disagree on everything bro.

The links brought here to buttress a point are allegations and Russian devaluation on a 'gold machinery' which is not even subsidized?

You don't argue like that bro.
When you learn how to answer simple questions, then I will take you seriously.
Soludo was the CBN governor as well as the Economic co ordinator.

Can a CBN gov devalue the currency without the nod of the Cordinator of the economy?

was there a drop in crude price in 1998 that necessitated Russia to devalue the Rubble?

Was there a drop in crude price that necessitated the devaluation of the Naira?

Did I ever argue with you whose job it is to devalue the naira? I fixed culpability on Iweala as the co ordinator of the economy, I never said it is her job to devalue the naira.

Did Russia do something about her LOC when the Rubble was devalued?

How much did Soludo pay as exchange rate differentials when he was faced with similar challenge?

I will take you more seriously if you learnt summary in school.
Politics › Re: Subsidy Removal; The way out by jpphilips(op): 3:12pm On Jun 11, 2015
[quote author=kaboninc post=34660973]
You need help bro. Serious mental help.
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You asked for the composition of Neconde, and I just gave you and here you say am wrong without disproving me? That's mean sir. People like you don't argue to learn. Are you the type who talk without facts? I challenged you to show a proof that Gobowen is the majority shareholder and you wave that aside? No wonder Netose and the other guys just can't keep up with you.
You see? Nobody asked you the composition of NECONDE, I asked you of their capabilities to justify the acquisition, now, who needs mental help?
You asked me to prove that Gobowen is the highest share holder in NECONDE? even though you did not ask directly, I remembered telling you this;


Gobowen owns the highest stake, not surprising why Ernest Azudialo is the chairman of the group.
If the statement above made any sense to you, or perhaps you read it, you will not repeat a question that has already been answered.

in the interest of the audience who may bother to read, here is an excerpt from the Gobowen website;


"Gobowen holds a major stake in the Neconde Energy Limited consortium which acquired the 45% equity in the Oil Mining Licence 42 (OML 42) in April, 2011. OML 42 contains 12 developed oil fields located in the swamps in the Niger Delta Area of Nigeria. Full production from the block is estimated at 100,000 – 150,000 barrels per day."
http://nestoil-ltd.com/about-us/strategic-business-units/gobowen.html



Are you still in doubt if Gobowen has the highest stake in the NECONDE consortium? You see how I answered a simple question devoid of sermon, learn from it.




He who knows not, and knows that he knows not......

You talk about the pedigree of Neconde, I gave you. I mentioned Serinus Energy and gave you reasons why I did so. You don't seem confortable because I did not elaborate on Gobowen as that was your target when in fact, Serinus Energy (Kulczyks interests) were the technical partners? Oh, did you miss your false claims on Mr. Manoj? I see.
Did Serinus Energy invest in NECONDE yes or NO?




Why don't you tell us what DSO specifies sir? Tell us how DSO will destroy our gas production capacity and "its distribution subset NGC" (as if NGC is the only gas distribution subset). Explain to us here what it specifies. Then I can talk about where my "specific gas quantity" will come from. Nice discussing with you sir.
I will deal with that later, when i am convinced you can now read what you write to avoid going in circles.
Politics › Re: Subsidy Removal; The way out by jpphilips(op): 2:17pm On Jun 11, 2015
[quote author=kaboninc post=34660451]
You just hate to take corrections. You brought the issue of transferring the liabilities of LOC from a government owned bank to a private owned bank. Then you gave an instance of a 'machinery' in your post. I had to correct you that you do not compare the activities in one industry with another industry. Is that how you argue? Because the Russian government stopped government owned banks from granting LOCs for 'machineries' compared to 'crude oil derivatives' which are much more unstable than most commodities? What kind of reasoning is that? So when people who are not informed read you would think you're making a point.
Here again, you are interested in writing sermons then miss the point, you said the LOC's liability is unavoidable and I gave you an example with Russia how they avoided it, is that what you cannot understand? did you even read the link to that story?
Currency was devalued due to fall in crude prices, it was the same challenge Nigeria had, it is not industry specific, read properly before responding, you rushed to absolve your failed minister forgetting that the subject of contention has shifted to Russia's ability to succeed where NOI failed. damn!! you



I talked about the refining capacity to buttress my point on focusing our attention on OIL and not 'gold machinery' as illustrated in your example. It is you who have serious comprehension issues and to tell you the truth, you seem ignorant. This is elementary economics. The Ministry of Finance manages the fiscal component and the CBN manages the monetary component of the economy. NOI as the Coordinating Minister did not devalue the naira. The other way round - CBN with the consent of the President and not the Minister. Where have you seen a Minister devaluing the local currency in the entire world?
Nobody asked you that, it is irrelevant and obfuscating, learn to stick to what you are asked to give your discussion a sense of direction.
we are not here to write essays.


You talk of me writing long epistle but the little you put down here are vague and flawed both in content and reasoning. I don't glance through your post, I read them and any unbiased mind will notice the many flaws in your stories. Stop talking about the Russian government's transfer because these are two different scenarios. Gold machinery and subsidized oil imports. Did the Nigerian government pay for other imports affected by the devalued naira? Stop your ignorance. It is not becoming funny. huh
Finally, he has made a point; the importers bore the brunt of the devaluation in other commodities and your infinite wisdom tells you that the government is helpless for a commodity she is subsidizing brilliant!!
When Chukwuma Soludo (Economic co ordinator and CBN governor)devalued the naira towards the end of the global economic melt down, how much did Nigeria pay as exchange rate differentials?



I had earlier told you that the oil marketers import on behalf of the government and so liabilities like these will be borne by the government. Else (if there is no subsidy) the marketers will input the exchange rate differential cost into their selling price thereby passing it unto the consumers. Did you close your eyes to this? Did you skip it when reading? Don't make me feel my efforts here are just in vain.
Was Nigeria not importing products during OBJ's tenure? was Nigeria not paying subsidy then? did nigeria not devalue currency then?
What magic absorbed the exchange rate differential in that era, that failed this era?



With someone of your caliber, giving credibility to an allegation of that nature is terrible. Look at the content of what you quoted: secretly transferred production right and you expect me to give a reply on that? I can't. I don't do hear-say talks or bear palour gossips.

Again, the Minister did not, nor did the NPDC divert any oil block neither were the crude oil produced from the block. Stop being difficult. If it was diverted as you have been claiming, to who? You or Atlantic Energy? This is the last time I will comment on your diversion claim. If you want to go on with your claim, continue.
The matter is in court, let the court decide for us whether or not there was a diversion and whether due process was followed, happy now??


Let me help you bro. Asset, in this context (the entire OIL BLOCK) is different from the oil being produced. So one wonders if what you mean by 'asset diversion' as if the entire OIL BLOCK has been DIVERTED! Head rolled not because the OIL BLOCK nor crude oil was diverted but there were some irregularities in the agreement and operations between Atlantic Energy and NPDC. You write differently from what you think.
Yes! because you pay attention to semantics, we know what was diverted, heads rolled because of that (according to you), however you want to paint it, whichever terminology you choose to employ, is immaterial.
People went to court and termed that act "illegal transfer", I called it "diversion", you admitted that "head rolled" because of it, so what is the bone of contention?



Interesting!

I wonder who will be willing to sell your 'rebased' oil at a price below the market price. And I wonder how a product of this nature will be immune to price fluctuations. I also doubt your intelligence on market forces and their effect. Else, you wouldn't be making such blunders up there.
While doubting my intelligence, be patient enough till someone who understands that phase 4 and 5 was the grand model of Libya's pre gaddafi era, joins the conversation, like i said, what you don't understand is not impossible.



That state when we think you know, we actually know nothing. I thought you'd say something about the Neconde Consortium. Or you forgot it? Civil individuals admit when they've made mistakes. You, you never do.

Or did you also forget the DSO model and NGC?

I just don't get paid for explaining things to you.
No I didnt forget
Politics › Re: Subsidy Removal; The way out by jpphilips(op): 1:35pm On Jun 11, 2015
baralatie:
a solution should also mean it is 'workable' unless another factor contributing to failure in the oil sector is been overlooked.
Exactly, however, I am yet to see where the plan is unpragmatic, all I see are people who want to pick holes in processes they can hardly explain.
Politics › Re: Subsidy Removal; The way out by jpphilips(op): 1:30pm On Jun 11, 2015
@ Kabonic

You amaze me, I tell you.

Let me correct you and I challenge you to do the same. Kulcyzk Investment owns 40% in the Neconde Consortium. Here:
[quote]Neconde Energy Limited
A consortium that acquired a 45% stake in a production license OML 42 in the Niger Delta from Shell , one of the world’s largest hydrocarbon reservoirs. Participation in Neconde gives Kulczyk Investments access to very attractive production assets in Africa.
Date of investment: 2011
Shareholding: 40%
Do you even read? I asked you to remove Serinus energy from your list that Serinus did not invest in NECONDE, I told you that I will do my analysis based on the highest holder reason I focused on Gobowen, now you are talking about Kulcyzk, is Kulcysk the bone of contention?
cant you read??



Mind you, this investment started since 2011. Here:
Tim Elliott, President and Chief Executive Officer of KOV stated that:
"This transaction provides KOV with an opportunity to participate in a world-class project."
On 6 May 2011 the Company announced that it had joined the Neconde consortium as a 20% shareholder and that Neconde had entered into various agreements on 29 April 2011 with Shell Petroleum Development Company of Nigeria Ltd, Total E&P Nigeria Limited and Nigerian Agip Oil Company Limited (together, the "Sellers"wink, to acquire (the "Transaction"wink, the Sellers' cumulative 45% participating interest in Oil Mining License 42 (" OML 42"wink.

Link: www.m.marketwired.com/press-release/kulczyk-oil-ventures-inc-nigeria-oml-42-purchase-completed-by-neconde-warsaw-kov-1593390.htm

As per the connection with Serinus Energy, Kulczyk Oil Ventures (through Kulczyk Investments) acquired the Canadian Winstar Resources and then changed the name to Serinus Energy.
Kulczyk Oil Ventures To Acquire Winstar Resources
CALGARY, ALBERTA--(Marketwired - April 25, 2013) - Kulczyk Oil Ventures Inc. (WARSAW:KOV)
("KOV"wink, an international upstream oil and gas exploration and production company, is pleased to announce that it has entered into an agreement (the " Arrangement Agreement"wink with Winstar Resources Ltd. ("Winstar"wink pursuant to which KOV will acquire all of the issued and outstanding shares of Winstar (the " Acquisition"wink.

As a condition of the Acquisition, KOV will apply to list its shares on the Toronto Stock Exchange (" TSX"wink, undertake a 10:1 share consolidation and be renamed Serinus Energy Inc.

So you should agree when I mentioned Serinus Energy as a member of the consortium.

Mr. Manoj Madnani is only but the Managing Director of Kulczyk Investment. He's an employee bro. The guy who calls the shots is Jan Kulczyk and his shots extends to every investment interest/decision undertaken by Kulczyk Investment S.A which includes Neconde Energy.

Jan Kulczyk (born 24 June 1950) is a Polish businessman. He is the founder and owner of Kulczyk Holding (headquartered in Warsaw) and international investment house Kulczyk Investments (former name: Kulczyk Investment House) with headquarters in Luxembourg and offices in London, Kiev and Dubai.[quote]So in matters involving Serinus Energy, Kulczyk Investment - and not Mr Manoj - should be given priority. Being a director doesn't make you a shareholder of a company. Mr. Manoj is representing an interest in the consortium - which is Kulczyk Investment.

Then again, Mr. Ernest may be the chairman but that doesn't make him the majority shareholder. I've shown here the shareholding of one partner of the Neconde consortium. Why don't you show me (or us) where NestOil (Gobowen) controls the majority shareholding of Neconde including his percentage holding?

To buttress my point about the experience of Kulczyk and their wanting to operate the asset, here's a quote concerning this transaction:
[quote]KOV deputy CEO Jakub Korczak:

"In the course of negotiations it turned out that Neconde will not become the license operator. It means we would have to act more as a financial investor, which is contrary to firm's strategy. We would prefer to leverage our experience, competence and technical knowledge on particular projects."

Link: www.gpwinfostrefa.pl/GPWIS2/en/news/info/230713,highlights:_kov_and_kulczyk_investments_officials_on_kov_s_resignation_from_neconde_deal._aim_flotat

OML 88 is actually owned by Chevron with license renewed earlier this year for an extra 20 years. However, within this acreage is housed the Oriri Marginal Field which has now being acquired (45% participating interest) by Gobowen (of NestOil). So giving the impression that Gobowen owns the 45% of the entire OML 88 is false and misleading especially when you allude that Chevron has been producing from it.

Marginal fields are essentially undeveloped discoveries, located in acreages held by majors, who consider them rather uneconomic to bring into production.

In compelling the majors to farm out the fields to Nigerian companies, the Nigerian government hoped to boost the percentage of total National production that is operated by homegrown companies. Ideally, it’s a form of capacity building.

Link: africaoilgasreport.com/2013/02/in-the-news/nigeria-the-marginal-field-experiment-at-10/

Neconde is not operating "five" assets as you claimed here: a company that could not manage a "Marginal" asset alone, you gave 5
assets to operate? - but one
This is what I could make out from your sermon;

You lack the ability to identify subjects in dispute
You lack the ability to identify subjects in agreement.
You seem not to realize that a simple question behoove a simple answer not a sermon.
You have completely lost focus on the subject of contention, as a reminder see below and please respond to it like you understand it even if you dont;

""Can you brief us on the Pedigree of NECONDE to warrant operatorship of those assets.
(since you implied NPDC was "overwhelmed" by the transfer, except you want to move from one inefficiency to another)
Can you brief us further the experience of NECONDE where they have operated such assets to justify the transfer"".
NGC was primarily set up to harness the opportunities in the gas industry. In early exploration activities, gas was mostly flared as the exploration companies do not see a developed, or developing gas market. The necessary policies and infrastructures were just not there. The investment opportunities were just not clear enough
nobody asked you this, completely irrelevant


NGC's model is a distribution model - they take gas from the producers and supply to clients. Due to the nature of their business - supplying gas to local companies - they've invested so much in distribution systems (network of gas pipelines) as with other distribution companies.
Completely irrelevant, nobody asked you this



DSO is designed in preference to the Nigerian local companies. Specific gas quantity must be distributed (or sold) locally before exported. Also, the demand for gas in Nigeria is steadily increasing. We can see how this is to the benefit of NGC. They have the largest network of gas pipelines and even clientele base, large (if not largest) market share.
This is not what DSO specifies, for the sake of argument, where will "specific gas quantity" come from?



Lastly you need to know that policies are developed to achieve a specific purpose. The DSO policy, at the time it was developed was act as a catalyst for speedy development of our power sector and the Nigerian economy at large. The sermon is up there. As per other countries, we have different needs. Why would a country encourage export of crude oil and allow imports of refined crude when they can encourage the construction of refineries within the country? Just Nigerians!
DSO is enshrined in your current PIB, from your response above and all the irrelevant materials therein, I am convinced beyond doubt that you have no idea how DSO will destroy our gas production capacity and its distribution subset NGC, I will have to implore you to relax here and wait till someone who has an idea joins the conversation.

Like I said earlier, discussing a plan you dont understand will do us no good, thank you for your time at least you understood to phase 4.
Politics › Re: Subsidy Removal; The way out by jpphilips(op): 12:49pm On Jun 11, 2015
baralatie:
I take it that you guys are still figuring out a solution to subsidy and yet come to a solution!
The solution is already there, probably analysing its workability should be the focal point here.
Politics › Re: Subsidy Removal; The way out by jpphilips(op): 12:47pm On Jun 11, 2015
[quote author=kaboninc post=34656202]
Firstly, government banks do not issue LOCs to our local importers. The private banks do and that was why the importers insisted on being paid before taking any orders. So your attempt here proves nothing at best. Secondly, NOI [b]did not sanction or approve or ordered the devaluation of the naira. The CBN did with the authority of the President.[/b] That is the exclusive duty of the CBN which is primarily managing the local tender. Thirdly, you may have to consider the Russian economy at that time - did she have working refineries or the Russian Government was subsidizing PMS and kerosene at that time? Did they have a well spread network of pipelines - which are not attractive to vandals - to ensure speedy, reliable and efficient distribution of petroleum products or the primary means of transport was tankers whose drivers can just decide to go on strike? What's the oil (PMS, AGO DPK, Jet A1 fuel) imports bill? What's the country's balance of trade with respect to oil imports and how does it affect the economy? These are questions you should ask before comparing with ours.
Your penchant for long stories derail your response, I told you what Russia did to transfer the Liability of devaluation from the Govt to private banks, why are you telling me about NOI? why are you telling me that Nigerian banks issue LOC's am I talking about Nigeria?
You are asking of Russia's refining capacity while the example I gave was imported machinery, what has pipelines go to do with the subject? I dont want to believe you have comprehension problems but you simply don't want to read, if I take my time to read all these you write, why not you? Learn to summarize your post and limit your introduction of irrelevant subjects.
For you to think that the CBN can devalue the currency without a nod from the Finance and coordinating minister of economy is laughable.

The bone of contention is that the coordinating minister of economy (CBN inclusive) devalued the currency and the FG incurred a liability of over 200b, in my expose I called it an avoidable inefficiency and you tried to disprove it, please stay on track.
The Russians were in the same situation and their Govt at the time found a way to transfer the Liability from Govt Banks to private banks, the onus is on you to prove that it did not work for the Russians.

You completely derailed from the subject matter as such, you have to revisit it again!!






I have corrected you on this issue of asset diversion. The object here is the asset and in that context, none has been sold, leased or diverted. What we should be concerned here is the status of participating interests because the assets are still been owned by the JV.
This is the English meaning of diversion; 2. change of purpose: a change in the purpose or use of something from what was intended or from what it was previously
Microsoft® Encarta® 2009. © 1993-2008 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.


From the example I gave you, did the petroleum minister divert those oil blocks, yes or NO?, in case you did not read the example, here I will reproduce it below and I will not be generous next time;


""Reacting to a story published by the Sun Newspaper about the protest of some leaders of ethnic nationalities from Delta State at the National Assembly over the allegation that the Mrs. Alison-Madueke “secretly transferred production rights in four large oil blocks (OMLs 26, 30, 34, and 42) to Atlantic Energy Drilling Concept Limited (Atlantic Energy) allegedly owned by one Mr. Jide Omokore without a bid”

According to the petition, if “an open and competitive bidding process mandated by Public Procurement Act had been followed, the market value of the OML 30 assets divested to Atlantic Energy should not be any less than $800 million.”
http://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/132171-group-asks-efcc-to-investigate-alison-madueke-over-oil-block-deals.html
""

Tell us in your infinite wisdom, is the above a diversion or not??





On the Atlantic Energy issue, if you can believe what you actually posted especially the 59 trillion naira shady deal, then I'll give you an island just in the middle of the Pacific - free. I believe we should have passed the stage of sensational cries or allegations. Your relying on the strength of an allegation...bro you're bigger than that. NPDC did not transfer or divert or sold or leased out to anyone, anybody or group of persons any of the OMLs assigned to them by NNPC. They did enter into a Strategic Alliance Agreement with Atlantic Energy and I think they got their fingers burned. Some heads did roll - the Managing Director was replaced and same with the Group ED, Exploration for NNPC. That was one of the reasons the other JV partners had to cry out that they should have been contacted before any third party agreement. Get your facts right.
You claimed there was no diversion, yet you admitted people were sanctioned, in your words, "heads did roll". Arent you talking from the two compasses of your mouth? If there was no diversion, what rolled the heads?


You insult my intelligence by saying I had no idea of what the senate sets or not. Let me correct you: the Senate does not set any benchmark for export crude revenue but the National Assembly together with the Executive Arm sets a benchmark on the price of crude oil. These two items - export crude revenue and export crude price are different entirely in the Nigeria context - development of a budget outlining expenditures and expected revenue generation. I've always said you should be clear and unambiguous in your usage and choice of words.
You admitted you dont know not me, or have you forgotten when you made this statement;


"The Nigerian JV structure is not subject to any Senate approval/vetting. Maybe from the President through the Minister, I can’t say. But I do know that the NNPC offsets its obligations after sales and that has been the major bone of contention between the NNPC and the government. Even the PwC report commented on this".
This statement has no bearing whatsoever to the subject of discourse,
Again you confused what needs to be rebased; quantity with pricing, when I told you categorically that the rebased NPDC oil will give birth to oil sold below the international crude price and will be immune to international crude price fluctuations.
I thought the problem we have here is not only that you hardly read what i write, you equally do not read what you write, hence, I will put the rebasing part on hold pending when a discerning mind that pays attention to details join the conversation, that way no intelligence will be insulted right??



Secondly, I'll ask again: explain what you mean by 're-basing' as per how it affects NPDC.
We may likely discuss that when I am convinced you have started paying attention, I dont have the energy to be going in circles, how a yes or no question, ends up in paragraphs of irrelevant materials is mind boggling, read, understand and respond isn't that difficult.
Politics › Re: Subsidy Removal; The way out by jpphilips(op): 3:21pm On Jun 10, 2015
kaboninc:
Jjphillips

Am waiting for ya here.

Cheers. cheesy cheesy
It took you long to respond and the thread didn't make front page hence little or no contributions, kinda lost interest
Politics › Re: Subsidy Removal; The way out by jpphilips(op): 3:18pm On Jun 10, 2015
Mr Moderator;

you had time to come and delete posts here but since last week, this post is yet to hit front page, a matter of national importance?
Politics › Re: Subsidy Removal; The way out by jpphilips(op):
[quote author=kaboninc post=34551722]
Technically, it is not possible to exhaust all LOCs before devaluing the naira. Most companies just go on with their transactions after careful study of the situation on ground especially the risk angle. Some companies just have production deadline or are time constrained. At most, they may reduce the value of the LOC to gauge against any unstable policy or prise instability but the government cannot just wait for these LOCs to be exhausted before devaluing the currency. Also, the CBN may have to consult with them on the effect of such an action. It is just that these oil imports were transactions on behalf and with the commitments and guaranty of the Federal Government. Else, like I said elsewhere, the exchange rate differentials will be inputted into the final sales price to recoup any loss.
In 1998, Russia devalued the ruble, a move necessitated by a global fall in crude prices (you wont say it is apple vs oranges right?), some measures were taken and one of it was, govt banks stopped issuing LOC's for importers, it is routed through private banks who bear the brunt of its Liability solely, here is an excerpt from an article at the time.


The financial crisis of 1998 cost Pigman $500,000. A shipment of machinery he had sent to a gold mine under a letter of credit from Inkombank, then one of the largest commercial banks in Russia, went unpaid as the banking system crumbled and Inkombank vanished overnight.
You can get more information here:

[url]http://www.themoscowtimes.com/business/article/its-been-a-bad-week-for-the-ruble/493646.html
[/url]

Do you now agree that Okonjo Iweala attracting a liability of over 200b viz devaluation to the FG was an economic blunderhuh



I had said earlier that you´re misinformed. Again, no oil asset has been diverted, sold or leased. And the operatorship of these divested assets by Shell to the successful consortia (NNPC initially transferred their rights to NPDC) have recently been re-transferred to a company that qualifies with a track record of managing oil and gas production facilities. - in your own words
Its all in the news bro; this is an excerpt from one of numerous petitions against her on those acquisitions you are eulogizing;


Reacting to a story published by the Sun Newspaper about the protest of some leaders of ethnic nationalities from Delta State at the National Assembly over the allegation that the Mrs. Alison-Madueke “secretly transferred production rights in four large oil blocks (OMLs 26, 30, 34, and 42) to Atlantic Energy Drilling Concept Limited (Atlantic Energy) allegedly owned by one Mr. Jide Omokore without a bid”

According to the petition, if “an open and competitive bidding process mandated by Public Procurement Act had been followed, the market value of the OML 30 assets divested to Atlantic Energy should not be any less than $800 million.”
You can read more here; http://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/132171-group-asks-efcc-to-investigate-alison-madueke-over-oil-block-deals.html

If the above example is not a "Diversion", kindly tell us what it is?


I still do not want to mix things up here. Re-basing in what aspect? Production quantity or price per barrel. The National Assembly together with the Executive Arm always place a benchmark on the price of crude oil and not quantity. NPDC´s topmost priority is to ensure consistent increase in oil production with
continuously reduced cost and improved income.
Last week, you had no idea what I meant by the rebasing neither did you know that the senate pegs a benchmark for export crude revenue annually, why do you want to discuss what you dont know? I thought you should go back to the original post and sink in what I wrote, understand the strategy, then make input based on the strategy.
The purple phrase was is the only thing that had a bearing with what is discussed, the rest are inconsequential to the subject of discourse.
I won't allow myself in that circular misconception again.



NECONDE is a consortium of 3 (4) companies:
1. Serinus Energy Corp. (formerly Kulcyzk Oil Ventures)
2. Gobowen E & P (a subsidiary of NestOil Group)
3. Aries Oil E & P (an affiliate of Yinka Folawiyo Petroleum)
4. VP Global Ltd - a special purpose vehicle formed by the host community and represents their interest where the asset is situated. I do not know in details their contribution to the partnership. I´m also
aware that their share of dividend accruing from this venture will go a long way in developing sustainable projects within the host community.

Serinus Energy is a Canadian international oil and gas exploration and production company with presence in 5 countries (Syria, Tunisia, Brunei, Ukraine and Romania) having 12 operated licenses (9 of which are 100% owned) in its asset portfolio. The promoter, Kulcyzk Investment is a well known international investment firm with interests in Oil and Gas, Minerals, Real Estate and Heavy Construction. Serinus Energy has dual listings - Warsaw Stock Exchange and Toronto Stock Exchange. This is a company with an international
exposure both in investment inflows and technical partnership.

Gobowen E & P, a subsdiary of NestOil (The largest EPCC in Nigeria) and currently owns a 45% participating interest in OML 88 and a 51%
participating interest in OPL 917. Gobowen is expected to leverage on the expertise of its holding company.

On Aries E & P, not much information could be obtained. However, going by the status of the holding company, the Yinka Folawiyo group, the
company should be in a better position to handle such projects. The Yinka Folawiyo group have been in the oil industry since 1991 and is known to have developed the Aje field, just some kilometers off the coast of Lagos, towards Benin.

All these companies put together, with their expertise, experiences and exposure are in a better position to operate the oil assets compared to the NPDC which is limited to the bureaucracies of NNPC and by extension, the Federal Government. Do you know of any bold move by NPDC outside the shores of Nigeria? Can you identify the business strategy of NPDC to fiercely compete both locally and internationally with her peers?

Until such a time that the NPDC will be run as a company, with clear cut goals and objectives, clear unambiguous strategy, they should be given less role to play. To some extent, I support Emefiele´s idea of government selling her equity stake in these oil JV and allow these companies to compete with their peers and not be spoon fed.
I don't know if you really want to make a point here or you want to bamboozle me, in the NECONDE consortium, Gobowen owns the highest stake, not surprising why Ernest Azudialo is the chairman of the group.
In business reality, he takes the final decision on the direction of the consortium, so the rest of the appendages are mere investors and has no strategic relevance, for the sake of this argument, I will single out Gobowen as our focal point; but before then, let me quickly remove a false impression that may obfuscate your audience.

Serinus energy did not invest in the NECONDE consortium, so I wonder what that company is doing there on your list. Manoj was the guy who invested and he is a passive director in Serinus, how does that prove he has oil and gas experience? what if he just brought money? what is his stake in Serinus? he is neither the chairman of the board nor the vice chairman, nor the COO, just a director, for all i care, his stakes may be either transferred or inherited, it doesn't prove that he has any oil and gas expertize. I implore you to remove Serinus energy from that list if you really want to be honest with yourself.

Back to Gobowen, are you aware that the first oil field Gobowen bought stakes in was the oriri marginal oil field (OML 88) in 2013, I could still remember when Chevron was operating it, the production was awesome, today, it has been relegated to a "marginal field" status, guess what; gobowen is not even there alone, he is operating alongside Goland on that "Marginal field".

Now let us go to your logic, a company that could not manage a "Marginal" asset alone, you gave 5 assets to operate? the same assets you claimed overwhelmed NPDC to a "sitting duck" status? NPDC that has a total production higher that Gobowen and NECONDE put together?
NPDC that has operated for over 28yrs compared to Gobowen's 2yrs in exploration? quit insulting my intelligence, I beg of you!!
Common sense would have told you that the political appendages of NECONDE painted NPDC incapacitated as a pretext to take over those assets, are you still in doubt whether or not the assets were diverted grin grin grin



On the issue of DSO (Domestic Supply Obligation) for gas and how it effects the operations of the NGC, firstly, I think that is a good policy
initiative needed to address majorly the worrisome power situation in the country. It is clearly known that gas production companies have a preference for a market that meets their interests. Cash and carry. Nobody (including you) wants to sell a product at ridiculous low price to a party who would tell stories. You just do not want disruption in
your operations due to cash flow constraints, mounting un-liquidated debts by debtors, inconsistent government policies bearing in mind
your huge financial investments into the business.

But a critical sector needs to be fixed. They economy has to be encouraged. The economy has to grow and develop. Consider power as a catalyst to drive economic growth, economic progress, economic development. How can we have power plants and yet no gas to supply? Before this policy was initiated, Gencos were not capable of paying for the price of gas supplied. So producers turned to the international market. Gencos not paying affected power supply. And we all know the effect. This same Alison you hate and other policy makers developed this framework to address the needs of power generation and also address the fears expressed by the gas producers who would rather patronize the lucrative international market.

Another usefulness of this policy is in meeting household energy needs - cooking. We just talked about kerosene. Over reliance of kerosene by the average Nigerian drives the demand for this product upwards and so will the cost soar. With an alternative, gas comes into play here. We just have abundance of it. So why allow the producers to export it and probably later importers import and sell at exorbitant prices as with PMS? Why not
encourage the use of this gas to meet other energy needs like pipeline fabrication, welding for our SMEs, bakery needs, large manufacturing
companies like Cadbury and Nestle for their power needs? Same with Dangote and the various steel companies.

Today focus is on agriculture. We have in fact all the factors of production including the raw materials. We need fertilisers. Hydrocarbon, which we have in abundance is a major component. Why not
encourage local producers to supply to local plants?

In summary, the DSO is one way of government´s incentives to encourage growth and development among different companies in various sectors of
the economy and by extension, the general improvements of every Nigerian; NGC is playing a leading role. NGC is (should be) well poised to take on this role. They have the largest market share, large clientele base, extensive assets which include well networked gas pipelines traversing long distances to most companies, power plants and cities. In fact, this policy is positively skewed to the NGC and they must maximise the opportunities.
I must be lost what this sermon is about, the question I asked was simple, how does the DSO model encourage the growth of NGChuh
Mention one country in the world with proven gas reserves like Nigeria, practising the DSO model?
concise and succinct please!!
Family › Re: A Cheating Husband Is Not The Worst Thing That Can Happen In Marriage. by jpphilips(m): 8:40am On Jun 09, 2015
texanomaly:
I find it quite telling how many men are all for cheating, unless the wife is cheating too. The husband can bang any Babe he wants, but if the wife is a cheat...God forbid!! Not that I want to cheat. I'm just wondering why it's ok for the husband but not the wife. It's just sex...remember? undecided
Women who pay the bills cheat as much as the men, only dependent wives are faithful.
Family › Re: A Cheating Husband Is Not The Worst Thing That Can Happen In Marriage. by jpphilips(m): 6:53pm On Jun 07, 2015
Most of you supporting the OP come from broken homes, keep your opinions to yourselves. It has no bearing in the world of sane, stable family life.
Marry for mundane reasons then live with the consequences, afterall, Shit happens, only BS kills.
Family › Re: A Cheating Husband Is Not The Worst Thing That Can Happen In Marriage. by jpphilips(m): 6:50pm On Jun 07, 2015
Most of you supporting the OP come from broken homes, keep your opinions to yourselves.
Family › Re: A Cheating Husband Is Not The Worst Thing That Can Happen In Marriage. by jpphilips(m): 6:50pm On Jun 07, 2015
Most of you supporting the OP come from broken homes, keep your opinions to yourself.
Politics › Re: Subsidy Removal; The way out by jpphilips(op): 7:38pm On Jun 06, 2015
kaboninc:
I did not ignore your questions.

In fact, I've my replies but will post them later today. I've been very busy and time is just too expensive.

By the way, I like our debate. Just give me some time to respond.

Thanks.
Alright mate take your time!

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