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AfroCircus:
Now you're like a broken record. Again, it is best streets, not best street. A simple google will guide you.

You specifically made your argument about Oxford, stop contradicting yourself just to justify a nonsense.



there is nothing like a Best street or best streets in London and like none in Germany.

leQubit:
see who dumb now...you cant trek to Saudi bro..but you niggas set up tents in Libya

Yes you can

You guys trek all the way before you cross the pond using a boat

leQubit:
just curious which beach is photo one...

Ada Foah

Ghana coast stretches 300km plus or so and there are too many beaches

leQubit:
Says a guy who used to trek through Libya ... ahaha

the fact that you guys trek to Saudi Arabia does not mean we do

AfroCircus:
Is that so? Lemme quote myself and see who's engaging in sophistry here

To begin with, the person who claimed lagos has no best street, this is what is asked and is what started this diverstion


Now with regards to me saying Oxford is the best street in London, here's exactly what I said

I said best streets, listed Oxford, Abbey and added an etc which means there are others in this grouping.

Then where I went specific to expound on why oxford is in this grouping, here's my post

Among the very best is the bolded part. It is one of the very best, not the very best.

So back to you, what were you calling me out on that I appeared to not have uttered? Hence why I said you and Vlain misquoted me and stuck to your misquotes.

There is nothing like best street in London because all their streets are the same and good.

Kenyans are so fast to divert convo.

you got called out on everything you were saying because they were out of your imagination and that is why you jumped over to shopping.

Vlain:
Exactly. They are always all over the place not making a single point in the end. Right before our very eye he moved from best street (in his context at this point he meant roads) to best shopping experience. Smh!!! Stupid things.

It is as a result of desperation

leQubit:
So white

we have too many varieties
From

White sand beach
Golden sand beach
Rocky beach
To pebble's beach and black sand beach

leQubit:
Says are guy who treks while Kenyans fly..dang it Just30 just buy airticket

you mean foreigners fly while Kenyans trek because of poverty?

Private beach lodges at Busua Beach

leQubit:
cant judge us for not knowing any crap about Ghana...

except we are not talking about Ghana.

You guys are not well travelled so you don't know shit about the world.

Hence the dumness here

AfroCircus:
You and that Vlain guy like misquoting people and sticking to it.

1- I said among the very best. You're saying it's the best, very different in meaning. Mine means it's among the top end of the spectrum. Yours means it's official, it is unchallenged as the best street in London. Very different.

2- Since when did the best mean that everything else is bad? Then what would a statement like "oxford is the only good street in London" mean?

You said it is the best street in London and we all called you out.


2. That is what you implied when you call Oxford the best street in London.
That's why we told you it was not the best street and that there were so many streets in London that were even better than it.
Then you decided to move the convoy from the street to shopping when you realised there was no way you could call Oxford the best street in London.

And we called you out on that too by telling you that there where so many streets that you could find even more than what exist at Oxford.


One thing about you kenyan is, you make arguments and forget the arguments you are making.
Then later on change your tongue and confuse yourselves

Vlain:
They know nothing just mumu noise.

it's sad they are not much informed

AfroCircus:
And you want to compare a shopping district and a street?

Oxford is unrivalled in shopping options of all streets in London. And I never said it is the most pedestrian friendly, where did you get that from?

There are too many good streets in London

Saying Oxford street is the best is like saying all the others are bad, which is not true.

Whatever is on Oxford street can be found anywhere else in London.

what ever you find on Oxford street, you will find on Bond street.
Bond street is even more Luxurious than Oxford street because that is where you will find all the luxury brands

AfroCircus:
Pure fact? Huh!

Oxford street is regarded among the very best of London's streets because it offer an unrivaled shopping experience in terms of range of products available as well as outlets diversity. That plus it's pedestrian friendly with bans on private cars as well as very low speed limits.

To an outsider not used to experiencing life in a developed place, it looks like any other London street in that they're all clean and have every infra and social amenity a street may need.

Lies

Oxford street is regarded as a shopping district and is popular with shoppers.


There are many other shopping districts that are just as popular as Oxford and are even more pedestrian friendly.

rvp20182:
Quote the particular world bank report. What kind of miseducation did you go through

Guy

it is public knowledge

just make use of your internet and stop acting like an uneducated Buffon, though I know you are one.

rvp20182:
Again quote some emperical data otherwise you're wasting bandwith

According to the world bank

47% of kenyans live in slums while 30% of Ghanaians do .....

While in Kenya, over the last 2 years, the number of people living in slums have increased to 60% of all kenyans,
In Ghana, it has decreased to just below 20%.


Like I said, you are not ready for factual argument


Do you want to deny that?

dumb kid

This is pure facts

Vlain:
Best in what exactly. Tell me what u can find in Oxford street that u can’t find in the rest inner district of London. Oxford is well known for it large pedestrian shopping And busy street- perhaps u mean busy street-else whatever u seen in Oxford can be seen also in canary wharf,Camden,west minister and the likes.

Take ur tears else where-you lost the argument when u tried to play a trick- the rest now is noise and tantrums.

rvp20182:
Nobody cares about what you say. You should already know that. We care about WHAT emperical data SAYS
Secondly ALMOST the entire Ghana's Accra and Kumasi - are for me SLUMS - coz it informal - has no sewage - no roads - and look really shady

But here is quick google search -About 45% of Accra residents live in some form of slum housing. These areas are overcrowded, have limited access to piped water and poor sanitation facilities. ... Old Fadama is the largest informal settlement in the city of Accra.

Approximately 5.5 million people live in slums in Ghana.

Tantrums as usual

who said we care what you say.


So in all of Ghana, there are 4 million slums dwellers and in Nairobi metro alone there are 8 million slum dwellers .
That is 80% of Nairobi metro population, so then what are you actually comparing?

In all of kenya, there are 35 million slum dwellers.

rvp20182:
Ignoring the other balderdash - you have many slums - and secondly, slum is not where people do business - it's where they sleep. Slums are in South Africa - how can it miss in poor Ghana. The slums are reality until a country becomes developed (GDP per capita at least 12,000) or at best 20,000K.

Sorry we don't have many slums

Did I say slums was where people do business?

Your brain must be freezing again.

Did I say Ghana does not have slums?

Even developed countries have slums

from the US to England to France

rvp20182:
You have a talent for propaganda So the guy chooses Kenya to compare everything but Kenya to Ghana . The BONOBO in his true element!. He twists and turns himself into knots so many times a day - the best contortionist would be proud of our bonobo here.

the guy is in Kenya and taking part in activism in Ghana using his voice just like Ghanaians all around the world are doing.
He never compared kenya to Ghana because he knows that Ghana is above kenya in All things.

You are so desperate to place Kenya on the same level as Ghana but its hasn't work because you have never succeeded in matching us in development.

Woyale

rvp20182:
Is that why Africa Traveller talked of terrible traffic jams all over Accra.
Doesn't quite make sense?
I guess it coz most of Kenya estates are already cul de sac...so in Accra you could drive through everywhere?

I find the care free and pedestrian had to belief.

What I have seen - is crazy market days - where hawkers are allowed to put their umbrellas on major roads and sell their wares.

Yes

He was staying near the Tetteh Quashie interchange which is one of the traffic bottleneck in ACCRA that has yet to be redeveloped.

Contracts have already been awarded to redeveloped the interchange to remove the traffic there.

Kenya does not have any specific planning for it communities, no kenyan community has that kind of planning.

In Accra, you can drive through most places as long as it is a public access road.
You can go and study the Cul De Sac planning, community roads lead to nowhere but the community while access roads lead to major highways.


Hawkers are permitted at traffics to do their business
That has created means for the poor to make a living in our expensive to live in cities without having to result to erecting huge slums all around like you see in Kenya.

This is part of the reasons why extreme poverty is almost eliminated in Ghana.

Zfree:
This is hilarious to watch. It is a slap in the face to the Ghanaians on this thread who have been desperately trying to compare the great City of Nairobi to their little city Accra.

This Ghanaian vlogger was speaking his local language in the whole vlog but believe me I watched the whole thing. I got a rough idea of what he was saying in the few times he spoke a word of English. It is truly telling. The dude is ranting nonstop about how crap Accra is compared to what he was seeing in Nairobi.

Let's try to dissect the content of the two vlogs;
Basically this Ghanaian guy did the two vlogs in what looks like the areas around Kasarani, along Thika Superhighway. The dude was amazed by Garden City Mall. He said he had never seen anything like it in Accra. He also reminds his Ghanaian viewers that Nairobi alone has over 50 malls, while the whole of Ghana has less than 10. He also says that Kumasi, Ghanas' second city, doesn't even have a mall that can compare to the dozens of malls found in other Kenyan cities and towns.

He also talks about Housing. This Ghanaian YouTuber seems to be impressed by the public housing in Kenya. He was amazed by all the Apartment buildings he was seeing. This is just around Kasarani areas. He seems to wonder why Accra has not embraced this kind of affordable public housing like in Nairobi. Believe you me, this dude mentioned the word 'Apartment' like thirty times all in awe at the blocks of apartment buildings he saw in Kasarani .

He also says that in Ghana, potential tenants have to pay the whole rent six month or one year in advance. While in Nairobi you can find any house of your choice in a matter of minutes and all you need is your deposit and 1 month rent.

There is a lot more that the guy talks about that only Ghanaians can understand. I know the Ghanaians in this thread won't dare translate the complete content of the vlog or comment about it because it exposes the lies they have been trying to sell here all this while.

So you still want to compare the small Nairobi to a historic city like Accra that best it in all things?


This is a Ghanaian taking part in a protest to put pressure on Government just like how we put pressure on all govt to make sure we get the best out of them.

This is how come we have become so developed.
By holding our leaders to account.

This guy was not even comparing anything in kenya to Ghana because there is very little to compare.

He was comparing his years of travel around the developed world to Ghana.

rvp20182:
How was this done? Are you seriously that obtuse? Show us pictures?
The least I have seen from videos - you have a serious problem of hawking right into the walkways -

As for communities or estates - it mostly dirt unpaved roads.

Example - This Luthuli avenue Nairobi - one of busiest street - selling electronics - was converted into walkways - and matatus removed


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kfJWdMN92Q&t=59s


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kY5Pk7xJFzg&t=126s

It was done just by improving major access roads and closing off neighborhood roads by using a cul de sac planning for neighborhoods.

In Accra Central, each 6 by 4 grid planning blocks are car free and has been populated by pedestrians while leaving the exterior roads for cars.


It's good to see that your city authorities are now thinking and implementing plans with people in mind.

rvp20182:
Transportation plans do not make car traffic move....tell us how this has been implemented. Are you using FM stations to urge people to move their cars or Juju.

Kenya has many plans - but for Nairobi metro - we have NAMATA that is pursuing BRT, Commuter Raila and NMT - Not idle talk - but there is progress in all these fronts.

Bus Rapid Transit System-A bus-based public transport system designed to improve capacity and reliability within the NMA.
Commuter Rail System -An integrated passenger rail transport service that primarily operates within the NMA metropolitan are connecting commuters to various locations.
Non-Motorised Transport-Increasing the use of bicycles and the ease of walking in urban environments that allow residents to easily access affordable public transit or to bike safely.

In Accra implemented transportation plans has already moved cars out of communities into their exteriors where major roads take the daily traffic.

Public access buses and individual cars moves majority of traffic while leaving the middle of communities free for bikes and community members.

People can throw parties on community streets with permit from their Districts Assembly.

AfroCircus:
The bold part earmarks my point, certain parts. So what happens with the rest of the city where cars can go willy-nilly? Then the French policy bans cars from half the city-center on Friday's, so what happens during the rest of the week?

It's only a small portion of the French capital that's permanently car free. In fact, the largest car free zone in Europe is just a small portion around the Brussels' city square, its stock exchange, and Rue Neuve avenue.

Hence why bike lanes are important throughout the cities.

did you realize they moved cars out of 50% to 75% of the neighborhood?
Cars are driven on the exterior roads of the neighborhood which has been turn into major roads, while streets in neighborhoods have become mostly pedestrian area.

In Barcelona the reclaimed roads have not been converted to bike lanes but rather a pedestrian area that have play grounds and walk ways that bicycles can use.

So like I said, you don't need bike lanes especially when there are no cars on the street.

rvp20182:
It starts with policy - then goes into a plan - and it's implemented - I guess you got nothing or it part of BEYOND AID strategy .

Nairobi for the last 2yrs has been implementing NMS - building walkways with bicyle lines.

All over Nairobi now - NMT (Non-Motorized Transport) - are laying red carbos line for bicycles - and the grey for pedestrian.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pr0-oi907o4

Now for Ghana - how do you move traffic from neigherbhood to major roads - using JUJU

You have no PLAN. No Policy. No implementation.

We have the Ghana national transportation plan

Which has introduced BRT in Accra and Kumasi, with the Kumasi Light Rail still under going feasibility studies.

Our National transportation plans have made car traffic moved onto major will leaving the middle of communities free of cars just like Barcelona is doing.

The only difference is, Ghana have not turn the roads in those communities into play grounds.

Good your NMS has now seen the future

rvp20182:
All nice. But what is Ghana doing about it. Nairobi has Non Motirized Policy that is already being implemented
http://www.kara.or.ke/Nairobi%20NMT%20Policy%20Popular%20Version.pdf
Nairobi Metropolitan Services (NMS) has set aside Sh1.47 billion to expand non-motorized transport (NMT) within the capital aimed at enhancing walking spaces.The move is also geared towards encouraging Nairobians to start using bicycles,

According to Nairobi County Fiscal Strategy Paper for the financial year ending June 30, 2021, the NMT will cover 116 km and has been divided into three packages.

The first package will cover 36km spread in Eastlands with the first stretching from Jogoo Road to the CBD and divided into four corridors.

The Jogoo Road corridor covers 10km from Outer Ring-Jogoo-Landhies-Haile Selassie, with bicycle parking at the Kenya Railways station at Sh155 million.

The next one will also cover 10km at Sh155 million stretching from Juja Road to the CBD through Outer Ring-Ring Road Ngara-Racecourse and terminating at Ladhies roundabout.

The other one will be 6km at Sh93 million running from Mumias South Road through Rabai Road, across Kenya Railways lines to Tanga Road terminating at Lunga Lunga Road.

This will be joined by another one at Sh93 million covering 6km stretching from First Avenue Eastleigh (now Yusuf Haji Avenue) from Juja across Jogoo Road to Likoni up to Enterprise Road.

The last one at Sh62 million will run from Lunga Lunga Road to Likoni then connect to Outer Ring covering 4km.

The second package will cover 55km running from the CBD to Westlands then to Ngong Road with the first corridor covering 7km between Kibera and Industrial area running through Mbagathi-Langata-Lusaka Road and then Jogoo Road round-about at Sh108.5 million.

NMT will also be set up along Enterprise from Lusaka to Likoni road intersection covering 3km at Sh46.6 million.


The next one will be Kibera-Kilimani-Westlands corridor covering 15km starting from Kibera drive to Kenya Railway crossing–James Kangethe-NMT only route- Ring Road Kilimani-Kitale lane –Githunguri at Sh232.5 million.

Another 15 km of NMT will run from Kawangware to Kilimani then to the CBD. This will cover Gitanga-Ole Dume- Argwings Kodhek- Valley Roads terminating at Kenyatta Avenue at a cost of Sh232.5 million.

The last one will be Kawangware–Westlands/Waiyaki Way corridor also covering 15km at a cost of Sh232.5 million. It will run from Chalbi drive to Isaac Gathanju—Mugumo—Olenguruone–Ring Road Kileleshwa terminating at Ring Road Westlands.

The last package in the CBD will be fixed along Harry Thuku–Muindi Mbingu–Mama Ngina–Wabera–Taifa–Harambee–Tumbo–City Square Post Office—Workshop and then Industrial Area.

There will also be another corridor running from Upper Hill (community) through Uhuru Park–City Hall Way–Luthuli/Ronald Ngala–River Road–Landhies connecting to Jogoo Road.

The last bit will run from Aga Khan Walk–part of Harambee Avenue then Parliament Road and around the Holy family Basilica.

just having a policy in paper does not solve shit.

In Ghana, all traffic has been moved from neighborhoods to major roads.

You will be surprised to walk on public streets in neighborhoods and for 30 minutes, only 5 cars will come and pass you by.

AfroCircus:
Cars can't be completely taken off the streets, that would make things like shopping quite cumbersome.

Hence why we need bike lanes.

yes they can

France is picking certain part of it cities to remove them and likewise Barcelona slowly reclaiming it roads and give the space back to the neighborhood.

You don't need bike lanes when there are no cars on the street.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jq2yd4QgL5I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZORzsubQA_M

AfroCircus:
Yap, that's the general trend the world over. More however needs to be put up in terms of rail and bike lanes

You don't need a bike lane before you bike, especially when cars have been taken off city center roads

ArabicBerber:
What is with African countries and these narrow streets in city centers? This isn't too future proof considering Africa's future population boom.

Africa is not looking to make it city centers, car zones.

Europe is busy getting rid of cars from it city centers to make it more livable

So I left for a few moments to have time with my fiancee and I can see the scare low self esteem rat coming out of his hole already.



Madness is really a disease

He's even scared to address me directly but will rather throw cheap shots.... ain't moved guy

We can all screenshots comments but I'm mature enough to work with facts.

Shma2020:
I was waiting for you to counter it with your usual tantrum!

the typical noise from you when you've lost an argument