Dtruthspeaker:


People fight in dreams because they are ignorant? You people are getting mad and you dont know it. Kai Tinubu is sly.

When did I say people fight in their dream because they're ignorant?? I said people fight sleep paralysis because they're ignorant.

Lucifyre:


I kind of get ur pov especially with the analogy and it does sell it but for some reason i still feel some nuanced context's missing, still ur pov seems better. What do you think of astral projection, any experience on that front??

During lucid dream, we experience a reality that is an hallucination.
During Astral projection, we experience a reality that has it own objective existence ie not an hallucination.

I have not experienced astral projection.
Have you??

Dtruthspeaker:


At least you have now confessed that we are fighting for even in dreams almost all the time we have control until this particular nightmare and evil spirit shows up and scatters the normal.

People fight because they're ignorant, I don't fight sleep paralysis, I either relax and wait for the paralysis to be lifted or I imagine myself to somewhere else.

Dtruthspeaker:


The body lifts it? not you fighting it? See delusion!

You can only fight you can't lift it, it is the body that lifts the paralysis that's why it is advisable to just relax till the body lifts it instead of fighting it which often leads to scary hallucinations.

Lucifyre:


About the bolded, i don't think you can say that as a fact, its a little bit more nuanced than that. I believe experiences defer and while what you say applies to most there's still some anecdotal evidence to the contrary. Example a little anecdote from myself, my first overwhelming sleep paralysis experience, i was clearly awake even though in that groggy state and was struggling to get up but couldn't. Was shouting and no one heard me. It looked like a dream state but why i got to know it ws not was cause everyone in the room was exactly where they were in real life like in the "dream like state" when i was struggling and shouting to get their attention.

The caveat here been that they told me "you were just lying there nau", you didnt even flinch, mind you not like they were paying close attention to me, cause they were gisting. Maybe i was experiencing some sort of psuedo astral projection as well but i really doubt that as i don't even believe in astral projection in its literal form. So you see its a little bit more nuanced than partially dreamy partially awake. Your lucid dream thought process is quite spot on though. That's what ive been doing anytime i get sleep paralysis although it rarely happens to me. Also sometimes when im lucid dreaming, i wake up and then go back to sleep to continue from where i stopped exactly especially when i liked the dream. Doesn't happen often though.

Let's liken dream to virtual reality, everything you're aware of is dream stuff. And let's liken sleep paralysis to augmented reality, some of the things one is aware of is from the real world gotten through your senses and at the same time their can be an overlay of dream stuff on your perception just like augmented reality.
I had sleep paralysis one time, I can see the room and things in it but their are lots of spiders on the wall. Now, the room is real, the wall is real but the spiders are dream stuff.

In this state, it's like you have one leg in reality and one in dream that's why I said one is partially dreaming and awake.

And when I say one is partially awake I don't mean one feels groggy or sleepy(infact one can be fully aware as real life), but that what one is aware of can be partially real or fake (dream).

If you can induce it then it means that you are not sleeping

Sleep paralysis is one manifestation of a state called the phase state (coined by Michael Raduga). The phase state is a state in which the body is asleep but the mind is awake that's why the state is also called "body asleep mind awake state".
Other manifestations of this state include : out of body experience, lucid dream, astral projection, false awakening etc.

if not men would not need to masturbate as they can just conjour that bitch that came to Bleep them the first time.

Actually men don't need to masturbate to pixels on screen as they can have sex with anybody they desire through lucid dream sex. https://www.world-of-lucid-dreaming.com/lucid-dreaming-sex.html

Lucifyre:
Apt

The interesting part about this is just as the body fails to wake up from the paralyzed state leading to sleep paralysis, the body also sometimes fails to be paralyzed during sleep leading to the acting out of dreams like you said hence you have sleep walkers, talkers and others like me who sometimes act out their dreams with subtle and sometimes violent movement and in the process injuring themselves. It's a 2 way street really but people focus on one more than the other cause its more scary i guess. People simply fear what they don't understand.

You're right, sometimes the body lift the paralysis too early while the mind is still dreaming and sometimes the body lift the paralysis too late after the mind is "awake"

Infact to be factual, you're not really fully awake during sleep paralysis but you're aware of the body's paralysis while still partially dreaming.

The reason why must people think sleep paralysis is the work of demons or finds it scary is because when the mind becomes aware of the paralysis, the common reaction is fear, but remember that during this state the mind is partially awake and partially dreaming at the same time.
So the fear reaction is incorporated into the dream plot and one can actually hallucinate seeing a demon or stranger in the room.

I am a lucid dreamer and the fascinating thing about sleep paralysis is that it is easy to convert it to lucid dream, how?

Next time you experience sleep paralysis, just forget about the body and room you're in and imagine yourself somewhere else, your awareness will gradually shift into the imagined scene.

Dtruthspeaker:


Haba someone or something is attacking and over presssing and over powering you till the point of powerlessness only in the night, against the usual dreams and sleep.were you are able to move you and you are still admiring words used to.describe the experience? Cmon.

If you belief demons are involved, how do you explain the fact that I and thousands of people can induce this phenomenon using technique.

Psady:
Oooh ! U keep to timing it. I don't believe you abeg.

When we dream during rem sleep our body is paralysed to prevent us from acting out the dream using the physical body. The normal route is for the paralysis to be lifted before your mind (consciousness ) wakes up.

Sleep paralysis occurs when your mind (consciousness) wakes up before the paralysis as been lifted, this make you aware of the paralysis.

And this phenomenon can be induced using techniques.

judedwriter:
It is spiritual oppression.... by demons, witches and wizards.

These forces are very real but unfortunately some people think they are imaginary.

It is possible to induce this your so called spiritual oppression by using techniques
https://remspace.net/how-to-induce-sleep-paralysis/

Dtruthspeaker:


When someone or something is pressing you, you no go know?

See the deceitful word they are using.to describe the phenomenon. Why does it come only when i want to sleep? Why do they not paralyze in they day when i'm strong?. Evil things

Sleep paralysis is not evil, it's natural. Do you know that it is possible to induce it??
https://remspace.net/how-to-induce-sleep-paralysis/

Psady:
Calling Jesus is even primary, back then I speak in other tongues for hours ,something I can't do in real life.

Haba! Sleep paralysis doesn't last for hours just few minutes.

Mordanconquer:
I felt led today to share my personal experience on how I manifested my desire and dreams of becoming a car owner with these steps I took that you can also take to manifest your goals and get desired results in any area of life.

Trust me, it works like magic and all you need to do is have FAITH and BELIEVE that it will work and happen. And to my shock, I got the car as a gift and didn't pay a dime for it. Below are the steps I took that you can also start taking to get what you want and make what you dream of a reality.

1. I Visualized It Often: I spent time visualizing myself driving. So always visualize what you want. Travel with your mind, the journey is free!

2. Affirmations: I regularly used positive affirmations of God's blessings to reinforce my belief that I will be blessed and become a car owner soon.

3. Gratitude: I practiced gratitude to God for the car like I already have it. I always tried to get in the mood I would be when I eventually got the car. I always try to feel it while also thanking God like I already got it.

4. I took inspired action: I went to driving school to learn how to drive. So, if you want to get a car gift like I did, you can start by learning how to drive and getting a driver's license. To take bolder steps towards owning your first car, you can also research different car models, start saving, or even go for test-driving

5. Let go of limiting beliefs: Release any doubts or fears you may have about receiving what you want. Trust that the universe is working in your favor and that you are deserving of abundance.

6. Trust the process: Trust that the universe will deliver your dream car or goals to you at the perfect time and in the perfect way. Have faith that your desires are being manifested behind the scenes, even if you can't see immediate results.

7. Confess Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Savior (VERY IMPORTANT): This is significant because it provides you with a system of advantage. By surrendering your life to Him, you gain access to divine guidance, wisdom, and supernatural assistance that accelerates the process of manifesting your goals and desires. Jesus becomes the foundation of your life, empowering you to overcome challenges, fulfill your potential, and experience true fulfillment and success.

In addition, don't stop praying to GOD till you get the desired results. I can't miss this because my car gifters specifically noted that "GOD put it in their hearts to give me the car"!

As I mentioned earlier this is not only for manifesting car dreams but all desires and goals according to God's Will and Plan. I'm sure you know what that means.

Step 7 is not important at all because there are thousands of success stories here (https://www.thesecret.tv/the-secret-stories/) of people who still manifested their desires without confessing Jesus as their saviour.

By the way, how long did it take to manifest your car?

MaxInDHouse:

Of course they will perish because God never purposed for miscreants to bear children out of wedlock or without care so such babies are waste products only babies trained will make a better world untamed babies will become miscreants like their parents so they're waste products from the viewpoint of my own God.

And by "training" I assume you mean Jehovah witness kind of training abi?

Blacklion3:


I hope when you mean mediums, you are not referring to all those fake scammers on fb claiming to speak to the dead. They are just hungry

Nope, I'm not referring to all those fake scammers on fb but to genuine mediums who are able to speak to the "dead" or have the dead speak through them.

HugeElephant:
I am curious, when a man is buried without gold or he dies at sea, or In a plane crash. What becomes of his journey?
Is he forced to reincarnate or become a ghost?

According to teachings communicated by "the departed" through mediums, there is nothing like payment through gold, money or slaves. The whole of their teachings can be summarize as "whatsoever you sow, you reap" and you can't buy your way through this law.

MaxInDHouse:

I also never believe in books called "Holy" not until i began to see the positive results of what was written in the Bible among Jehovah's Witnesses.
Note that all humans are imperfect so if you're to examine each human you will certainly see faults here there but by the time God's Holy Spirit brings Jehovah's Witnesses together as an organization the fulfilment of prophecies as written in the Bible became so clear!
Have you noticed little ants before?
Try to watch out if you can see what an ant is up because each one is going about with it's problem but please observe them when they converge and work together then you will be amazed at the amount of useful information God infused in those tiny little creatures.
So how come humans who are far much more intelligent than ants?
That's why i always say it everywhere i go that "Jehovah's Witnesses made me see God in action!"

You can sugar coat your group all you want but the truth remains :
- People join your group just as they join others.
- People in your group are imperfect just as in other groups.
- People leave your group just as they leave other groups.
I watched a video sometime ago about an old couple who had spent more than sixty years as JW but now left the group.
I also read a book written by an ExJW who was a former member of your governing body.
If these people can spend all this years and reach such a high state as the governing body, yet still leave the group, then there is something going on which you small small JW don't know about.

How do you expect humans to see angels who wants to cleanse the planet?
Well they will simply remove oxygen from the nostrils of all unbelievers within just few minutes and replace it with the deadliest gas that's all:

I still maintain my stand that it is more reasonable and ethical to "judge" people based on their character/deeds than their beliefs.

The true God demanded a space only in the land of Canaan where pure worship will be established, first of all He allowed the Israelites to be enslaved in the world's most powerful nation then He sent two octogenarians (Aaron and Moses) to speak with the most stubborn world ruler so that by the time God finished dealing with Pharaoh and his men the whole world will tremble at the name of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
But instead of the Canaanites to beg for mercy they were planning a siege against God's plan.
Well if i was a citizen of Canaan i would have done exactly what Rahab the prostitute did to save all members of her family.

Give excuses for your God all you want, I still believe an all powerful and all knowing God should've taught of a better option that doesn't involve massacre.

MaxInDHouse:


Chat with me now and prove you are wiser than JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES because on faceless forum like this one i have all the time to answer you!

Chatting with you is not the problem, the problem is that you relied heavily on the bible which I don't believe in.

The Governing Body weren't chosen to lead us in any other thing than the preaching and teaching work that's why you will notice that we enjoy different kinds of music as long as it's not churchy ones.
So the commander in chief of all the heavenly armies: Jesus of Nazareth has issued the order for all servants of God to cease fire because the remaining battle is to be fought by angels all we have to do is preach zealously and teach industriously in all our neighbourhood in that the GB is chosen to direct us!

Tell me how this battle is to play out, will we all see angels with flaming swords murdering people up and down?

You're wrong!
He never started wars rather it's politicians who were using force back then to rule over their fellow humans as for Jehovah He did all He can to send a warning message to all the inhabitants of the earth regarding His plan to establish a nation of priests only in the land of Canaan it's due to the stubbornness of Canaanites that led to their destruction.

Tell me about the promised land massacre.

budaatum:


No you don't hear me at all. I don't want to make this particular million pounds. I just want to cloth in ectoplasm the million pounds I dreamed I had last night so I can spend it.

Ha! Thief, lol..

But your million pounds wouldn't last nah because the spirits have to return the ectoplasm back to the medium and sitters, the materialization is temporal, so you will just get to touch and smell your million pounds but wouldn't take it home.

I promise to spend some building a hospital.

Lol..
You and hospital...... 5&6

MaxInDHouse:

You need to be smart.
Preaching in the public where no one can look into your eyes and as ask you straightforward questions means you're stylishly avoiding scrutiny. Why do you think talks about Jehovah's Witnesses top the chat everywhere?
Well it's because we speak with people face to face giving them the opportunity to question our faith.
So anyone who is able to enter people's homes and speak with householders face to face as in one on one is SPECIAL!

@bolded
That doesn't make you're special, you just need to be confident in the truth of what you preach, though your confidence doesn't make it true.

The one who gave them the go ahead back then is Jehovah and it's because those they're fighting are worshipers of other gods not those claiming they're worshipers of the same God of Abraham.

So if Jehovah through your governing body command you to go to war against worshippers of other gods, will you??

Now ask yourself has there been anytime the God of Israel support two opposite sides in wars?

Well, I've known him to start war.

MaxInDHouse:

Do they visit people in their homes?

Are you special because you visit people in their homes??

Remember i told you that Jesus is the Prince of Peace {Isaiah 9:6} so his disciples have formed one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers {Isaiah 9:2-4; Micah 4:1-3 compare Act 1:8} so anywhere on this planet today when people talk of WARS and killings Jehovah's Witnesses are there but none of us will raise a weapon against his fellow man.

Does this mean war lords in the bible eg Moses are not Jehovah witness?

MaxInDHouse:

Being irreligious totally differs from lack of deep thoughts, my own parents were Muslims but not that religious unlike my uncle who spent all his life studying about Islam yet when i met Jehovah's Witnesses i said to myself:

"This one totally differs from all the religions i've known all my life"

No religious organization got the liver to go into people's homes except Jehovah's Witnesses.
WHY?
Because they have what it takes to win souls.
That's why i'm telling you to present a group of people using your so called GOLDEN RULE let's see what they're able to achieve with it!

You still haven't answered the question. Do you know Teblig leave their wives and children to go to Ijade or not ?

MaxInDHouse:

We often feel indebted to anyone who loves the truth but once we notice you don't value it we walk away and continue our search.

Many irreligious people had converted to religion before nah, they didn't bother to ask why I made that decision, what if I made that decision because I grew up with parents that didn't take religion serious therefore I don't either.

Well i was born a Muslim and throughout the days i spent in that religion i never met any sect coming to visit people in their homes except Jehovah's Witnesses.

You may not have seen them but you know Teblig do Ijade.

Naaaaaaaaaaaaaa.
Your god should have ORGANIZED it's friends so that you guys can reach out to people the same way JWs are doing if truly you have something worthwhile to share with your neighbours.
I made my own Bible study conductor sign an agreement that i will only study and know what they believe but as for going out to preach with them i will never join them doing it but by the time my heart was full of life saving informations i myself cancelled the agreement even begging my conductor to help me plead with Jehovah that i never knew the value of what i was learning now i'm zealously preaching from house to house.
So if what you have really worths sharing you will search diligently for your fellow spiritists so you can work together!

The core of our message is the Golden Rule and very few people would deny not having heard of it, they just don't live by it.

MaxInDHouse:

You call it a LIE we call it SMARTNESS

Lolz, they could have just said the truth nah instead of leaving man hanging.

Have you ever seen any religious organization that sent people to come visiting you in your house?

Yes nah, the Muslim sect called Teblig, they do "Ijade".

That's a sign of LOVE so if they never come back and you've seen many others coming to show interest in you there will be no reason to remember them but now you feel they should come back to come and do what?
Just to continue arguing with you?

Love nwantintin
@bolded
I could convert them to fellow Spiritists nah.

Naaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
You can continue enjoying your leisure with spiritists like you!

I haven't met another Spiritist in Nigeria nah that's why I hope I could convert them so we can hold seance together.

budaatum:

So basically, you do not know. You just believe despite not having evidence the claim is true.

That, I tend not to do, since I can continue to seek evidence that will prove it true or not. And then will I know.


You are funny thinking buda thinks Wikipedia is the place to go, but I guess you'd say that because you don't know buda.

As a rule I do not provide books to prove my point because they are like Bible verses where a contrary verse (book) can be provided that contradicts any I provide, especially since each understanding of the same book may differ too. I after all would have considered many sides of a subject before I claim to have knowledge of it.

What Wikipedia gives is a very short snapshot of what is generally agreed upon about a topic, and for here it serves its purpose, which is for those interested to have a kind of syllabus on which to start their own search for information so they may know what is already known and build on from there for themselves.

I rely on the minds of those I engage with to separate the wheat of knowledge from the chaff of ignorance and determine for themself what they want to believe or not or know instead. And I do enjoy finding out how people reason and see how they evolve over time.


And waste my time on nonsense? Now why would I do something so stupid when I can instead be investigating how to make the million pounds I dreamt I had last night appear in my bank account?

Surely, before clothing themselves, I'd need to convince myself spirits exist, don't you think? And after having investigated the existence of the super spirit gods and found they only exist in the minds of those in whom they are created, why wouldn't I investigate your mind and how you think and reason instead since you are presenting here and real before me in spirit and all?

It is you who have chosen to believe, justlove91. I have done enough work to know that the spirits many have claimed exist do not exist, so there's nothing to be clothed. The only thing that would convince me is a spirit, presented before me that I have tested and confirmed to be a spirit, clothing itself. And please know that my test might include and would not be limited to sticking a knife in the spirit to ensure it is a real spirit, along with the previous mentioned tests of my own senses and it's so called ectoplasma.

This I must say. I find it odd that you would be trying to convince me to accept your belief as valid without you providing any evidence. It is like asking me to believe in a god that you do not know exists, or me trying to convince you to accept my dream million pounds for a spanking brand new red Ferrari. That said, I plead guilty to trying to convince you of what I know, or at least compelling you to continue researching until you stop believing, and instead know.

I hear you.

You want to make million pounds?? It's okay, just know Hedonic adaptation will be waiting for you.

MaxInDHouse:


NO, We preach to all kinds of people otherwise they won't have told you someone will come that simply means you've taken all their time.
This is how we go about our preaching activity.

Formal witnessing: We are organized from our place of meeting and we move in pairs to make brief presentation that will lead to a return visit. At our first coming we are not to spend more than 3 minutes with you since you weren't expecting us but if you pick interest in our discussion and want us to come back then we will keep you in mind.

Informal witnessing: A JW meet you anywhere and during a friendly conversation you noticed that he has a lot to share so he follows the interest and continue contacting you for more information about pure worship.

Now if you proved to be heady witnesses won't waste their time with you since you know better our conclusion is that you will find those with whom you can relate with your line of thought we are searching for those with whom we can relate. Many Atheists, Agnostics, Judaists, Buddhists, Hindus, Traditionalists, Muslims and Churchgoers have found a happy family with Jehovah's Witnesses so we believe you too will find a happy family of like minds one day but if you can't we are here.

OK o, I still don't like that they lied they will send somone else and they never did.

MaxInDHouse:

You and all your cohorts are free to establish your own place of dwelling when the owner of this planet comes with His government!

The grade is Jesus Christ any other form of grade is complete failure. That's what the owner of this planet says but if you feel you know better it's OK you can challenge Him when he comes with His government.

Can you present a global group making the best use of your (golden rule) so everyone can learn it's application from the group.


Present a global group using stoicism and spiritism so we can all see the result!

Let's put this conversation aside, I can't convince you and you definitly cannot convince me. I have a question to ask you.

A group of Jw once came to my house, I let them in, they gave me bible, I told them I don't know how to look for passages, they offered to do that.

They kept throwing bible passages at me to read. After some minutes I told them I don't believe in the bible and it's therefore pointless to ask me to read all those verses.

They asked if I was a Muslim, I said no, that I'm irreligious. Immediatly I told them that, they began packing their load saying they will send someone later.
They didn't come to my house after that though I often see them in my neighborhood.

My question now is "Do you guys only preach to religious people?"

budaatum:

As in, the spirits clothe themself in ectoplasm to appear to be there? And séances? What next? Reincarnation? Resurrection of the dead?

I'll tell you a story. Na. I'll search for and post it at the end for I have told it many times before I'm sure. It would help you know where I have evolved from perhaps.

Trust me, if I don't doubt those clothed spirits, I definitely will doubt my own eyes and moreso my mind for being so easily fooled, and I will check I have not been drinking or that someone spiked my drink. And I'll check the brand of my dope in case it's been swapped for one that don't work for me. After then will I yank the cloth off the spirit to see for myself and with my own eyes and with out sitters influence, what the spirit in the ectoplasm is.

I'm like that see. If Moses told buda God said I should wait at the bottom of the mountain only he should go up, I will tell Moses and his god to go ef themselves, and if god put me in some garden and forbids me his fruits of knowledge, not only will I eat god's knowledge fruit, I'd steal the seeds and plant my own and share it with humanity.

I hope you don't think of me as some simpleton ready to just believe in anything. You see, after I left Islam, I became very cautious with holding any position until I've thoroughly gone through available data on the subject.

When I first heard of Mediumship, I was skeptical also at first (WTF do you mean spirits can materialise), but after going through copious amount of data on the subject, I now believe (remember, not know) in it's claim.

The "scientific community"? Why don't I scientifically peruse the evidence myself with my own senses instead of waiting for the high priests of science to come and tell me what I should consider pseudoscience or not, especially if it's a thing that has been claimed to exist for thousands of years with copious written records to consider and still hasn't been scientifically proven?

My use of "scientific community" was in response to the picture you attached to that your reply.

@bolded
I love that attitude, and you can go through the evidence available yourself (with is alot) just as I did and come to your own conclusion on the subject.
But I tell you buddy, Wikipedia is not the place to go. If you need material on the subject, I'm happy to help.

Science is after all the use of one's own senses to peruse the available data and analyse it for information so one can derive knowledge from it, as opposed to being told what to believe, which is more like religion.

On point.

Just think. If sprits can cloth themselves, then why can't God have created the heaven and earth and hell?

Don't go overboard on me buddy, put God, heaven and hell aside.
The claim now is "spirit can cloth themselves in physicality such that people can now see, hear and touch them" investigate the available copious written data on that.

MaxInDHouse:

So evolutionists believe in the existence of God. OK o!

I don't understand this your comment.

The true God doesn't need human opinion in choosing who should rule neither does He bother about contrary opinions whoever doesn't agree with His standard is free to go and establish another planet and live there.

We don't need him to consider our opinion either but his decrees should make sense not "if you don't believe in Jesus, I will find you guilty of all crimes committed through humanity's history"

You once said people can be redeemed instead of exterminating them.
The true God also doesn't want any to be destroyed but you give him no other options if you refuse to repent once you're ready to make a U-turn He is also ready to give you the Visa no matter what you've done in the past it's within His domain and He can restore whatever you destroy in the past.
Have killed people? He has the ability to bring them back in Paradise where no one can harm them again so if you turn a new leaf today He is ready to forgive all your trespasses.

@bolded
That's is like Jamb saying "we don't want you to fail but if you believe X, we can still give you certificate that says you passed"

If you think cause and effect matters then you should know that the only way forward is to stop the cause by giving all involved a model to follow so as to erase all future negative cause.

We have the model already, which is the Golden Rule.

I am also an ex-muslim who never believe in any new personality until it happened to me.
Now instead of reacting the old ways i now use the new line of thought i learned from Jesus.

You now use a new line of thought you learnt from Jesus, I now use new line of thought I learnt from stoicism and spiritism.

That's what a new personality means it's not magical but a change of heart instead of reacting the way i do before i now do things differently that doesn't mean i can't make mistakes but i'm ever ready to make amendments and also say sorry even though i know i might not be wrong just to make peace with my prospective Bible student who may become one of those i will preach to or teach Bible truth tomorrow.

And I tell you people can still have your new personality without believing in Jesus or God.

MaxInDHouse:

Ọmọ you know NOTHING about spirits so stop deceiving yourself.
No spirit will tell you that there is no supreme being who has authority over the central unit of control in the spirit realms.

When did I mention they say there is no God? Some of them believe and some still do not believe but what both group agreed on is that none of them had seen God.

The true God is not a democrats nah that's why the Bible refer to Him as "Jehovah of armies"
So it's humans that has been fooled with what Satan cooked up called democracy my God is a military ruler.

Toh!! I see.

In the world it's called "AMNESTY" for those who have realized they're wrong and are ready to retrace their steps.

It's called using LONG LEG.

OK so you're now saying you don't want to know how the case goes you just want to rap it all up on the same page.
If so why all these stories about cause and effect if the ends justify the means?

How does his story relate to the law of cause and effect??

That is where your former pastors failed!

I'm an Ex Muslim, you can read my deconversion post here https://www.nairaland.com/2183239/cant-wait-free-story

Becoming a new creature in Christ Jesus simply means you now have another family in the house of faith that you can always lean on with whatever troubles your mind and they will rub minds with you using Jesus' words not just any kind of opinion or ideas.

This your interpretation get K-leg o.

MaxInDHouse:

Haaa! Atheist thanking God?

I'm a Spiritist.

Well better to know that if you're advocating for atheism stand well well for it and know that my own God doesn't count any faithless person as part of His plans.

I'm not advocating for atheism.

Whenever He is ready to bring His government all unbelievers are to be exterminated.

You mean his military government?

Hold your certificate very well and let the god of evolution prepare a place for you in it's kingdom but if it's the kingdom of my own God then ọmọ you need a Visa from Jesus o!

So, one can use "wuruwuru" to enter your God's kingdom.

I said: "ask why it's so" but if you feel it's a joke then keep your opinion and wait until then.

The details doesn't matter, that he was accuse wrongly is all that matters.

Who told you JWs are perfect?
This is how you people misconstrue everything instead of reasoning intelligently.
I said there is no individual righteousness with the true God because all humans have fallen short of God's glory {Romans 3:23} so we need to be in the congregation of those having the same hope so that we can continue using what Jesus laid down to TEACH, REPROOF, DISCIPLINE and SET MATTERS STRAIGHT among us, that's what will make us fully competent and completely equiped for salvation! 2Timothy 3:16-17

So whoever is not part of such organized setting can never ever meet up with the requirements while isolating himself from the congregation of God. Hebrews 10:24-25
How does that translate to saying those watching their brother's backs have become perfect?

Sorry, I taught you guys are now perfect since you've taken upon yourselves the righteousness of Jesus and thus became a new creature.
I didn't know this new creature still has to struggle with sin.

budaatum:

He was also a photographer too and might have wanted to sell his photos or raise money to build a hospital to cure others, who knows. But why have any sitters at all who's sole purpose is to show others they are convinced so those others could join in?

Seems you don't know much about seance. The purpose of the sitters is to supply(together with the medium) a substance called Ectoplasm which is then used in turn by spirits to cloth themselves in other to appear physically to the eye and touch of human.

That the scientific community sees telepathy as pseudoscience doesn't mean it is. Remember it took them many years to establish the truth of hypnosis and lucid dream, even when people have been reporting them for years.