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And yet I couldn't really say that either my father, or for that matter, myself, were particularly over-generous people. We were sensible, we helped people it's true and we were particularly good to our workpeople.

But evidently, from what I gathered, that as you live, to some extent, that must and does affect your way of life over here and what reception you have. So, evidently, we couldn't have been so bad. We'd made for ourselves some preparation, without our even realising it!

My father was very orthodox. I was not an orthodox man as far as religion was concerned, but my father was strictly orthodox. But of course, I soon gathered that this orthodox outlook of religion had changed very much and he was no longer thinking on the old lines.

And it seems to me that I lived in a very natural, happy way for a time with my people and I must say that, in many respects, our life was very like it had been in my youth - early years on Earth. The only thing that I began to realise was that one seemed to have no need for food nor drink.


At first this puzzled me. I thought, I couldn't understand why I didn't have this desire. It was a natural thing, as far as my Earth life was concerned. Indeed, I was very fond of food until my illness made it impossible to eat a great deal.

And, um, the idea of being fit and well and yet having no longer the desire for food and drink seemed in a sense unnatural.


And for that matter, I never saw anything in the way of food, although there were times when fruit was available. Whether this was, in some sort of way, a thought - and I think possibly it must have been - there were times when possibly one desired it or felt the desire for it and there it was. But very seldom did one eat fruit or eat anything or desire to drink anything.


The thing that interested and appealed to me most in those early formative years - if I can so use them over here - was the desire to continue studies which my father had stopped.

When I was quite young I had shown a tendency towards music, and my mother encouraged me in this, and for about two to three years I was allowed to have lessons.


But I think my father began to feel that this was becoming too important in my life and I was sent away to a school and music was dropped completely. And I’d always sort of, in my later years, regretted it.

Because I was a great one for going to the opera. I hardly ever missed a season at Covent Garden and many recitals that I used to go, the great musicians of my day. Indeed, whatever time I could spare I would give to music.

And I could see, of course, that it evidently was a replica. Although to me it seemed identical, I thought it was the house, but I knew that it couldn't be.

And he said, 'Let us go in and see the others'.

And I said, 'Others? What others?'

And he said, 'Oh, Mother and Simon.'

Simon was a young brother, by the way, who passed in infancy and when he said 'Simon', it didn't mean a thing to me.

I said, 'Simon, Simon, who the deuce is Simon?'

He said, 'Simon is your brother. Don't you remember the baby brother who died when you were about three or four years old?'

I said, 'Simon?'

I didn't remember any of this.


Anyway we went into the old house. It was exactly the same. Everything about it was the same; the same furniture, the same statues, the same mantelshelf. Everything was identical in the drawing room; the piano was there and I could see, as it were, as if I were going back more than 50 years - all perfectly reproduced.


And there was my mother, looking so young, so very young, and I hardly realised at first that it was she. But it was she, but as she was when my mother and father, presumably, first met. And there was a tall young fellow. I should think he looked about seventeen, eighteen. It turned out to be this brother who died in infancy. Puzzling.



And then I remember asking my people, I said,

'Well how is it that you have this house? How did it come about?'

I said, 'I accept the fact that you say I am dead and I realise something tremendous has happened, but I don't understand how it is that one should have one's old home reproduced. Who makes all this furniture? Who makes all the carpets and things and how does all this come about?'

And my father said, 'Well, this is something which is not easy to explain, but this is something which we you earned - which we have earned.'

And I thought to myself, 'well I don't know that I've earned anything in particular.'



And, uh, I'm remembering my father; although he was in many respects, a good man, at the same time he was a very strict man; a man, I suppose, running a business, which...one had to be when on Earth. But he was honest and just and indeed, he was a remarkable man in many ways. But I couldn't see the justification for all this, which seemed so remarkable because it was so identical in everything.


My father said, 'Well of course, to some extent, one's conditions, one's surroundings, one's life here, if you like, is due, to a great extent, as to what you were yourself when on Earth; your attitude of mind to others, your efforts on behalf of others – and, to some extent, the way in which you yourself have given yourself to others.'

And as he was saying this I couldn't help but think, 'well there may be something in this if he says so.

Isaac Watson

Greene:

How did you actually find yourself Mr Watson? What conditions did you find yourself after your passing?


Watson:

Well I found myself over here, first thing I remember was my father coming to meet me. Funny thing was I remember 'waking up' - I suppose is the way you'd put it - it would appear to me to be (well, it was) a garden.



First of all I thought it was the garden of our old house. We had a magnificent garden. My father was a great gardener and very interested in that. This place was so like it. And I remember I was sitting on a seat and looking across the lawns to an ornamental lake, which my father had had built.


And I remember waking up and seeing my father coming towards me with his hands outstretched. First it didn't strike me as odd. I think I thought of it all in such a natural manner, as if it was the most natural thing.


I remember him sitting down beside me and congratulating me. Well this struck me as odd, why I should be congratulated. In fact, I couldn't think what I had done, what I had achieved. He wasn't a demonstrative man on Earth and there he was telling me how happy he was, that I'd come through and succeeded.


For a moment I didn't understand what he was referring to and then it suddenly dawned on me, that this was all an unnatural situation. What was I doing on this seat in this particular place - which was really of some forty years previously, possibly more, in my youth; my early years, my formative years?


We often went to the country during the summer months when business permitted - and in the winter too. And it was just as if I had come down for a week or two in the country to my father's place.


And it struck me as being so strange, because it was as if I could remember at that particular moment, that I had been much older, and that I was lying on a bed and that I was, and had been for many months, suffering a great deal with my lungs and chest, having great difficulty with breathing.


But here I was, as natural... and breathing as easily as I had done in the old days.
And my father said, 'you know, you're now out of it all.' And it began to dawn on me that this was an unreal situation.


But I... what he meant was, that I was out of the old life and I couldn't help thinking to myself, 'well I can't be dead.' And yet everything seems to imply that some big change has taken place, because this is all so familiar and yet, it was forty... fifty years ago in my life.


Then I thought to myself, 'well how could it be, this place?' If it's...if it's a new life that I'm in, if this is true, then I don't see how my father's property can be over on this side of life.'

It was all bewildering.

And he was saying to me, 'of course you know that we have still got the old house'.

And I thought this was so strange. He said, 'you know this is an exact replica.'

I said, 'What do you mean an exact... exact replica?'

He said, 'Of the old home.'

Still relevant

Steep:
Because when christ died everyone who trusted in christ also died in him, so yes he reaped by christ dieing for him.

Which kind wuru-wuru reaping be that

The law of sowing and reaping is not the only law.

So we should ignore the verse abi??

Steep:
Galatians 6:8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

Anyone who believed in Jesus christ has sowed to the Spirit and hence reaps eternal life.

But he has sowed to the flesh by killing millions of Jews prior to his repentance, why doesn't he reap corruption has the verse says??

CaptainJune:
IF HE TRUELY REPENTED he would have been forgiven. In the Bible, there was a king known as Manasseh. He did evil in the sight of God. He was known to have sawed the prophet Isaiah in half. He was captured and taken to captivity according to the prophecy of Isaiah. In his captivity, he repented of his sins and was forgiven by God.

Meaning, he would not reap what he sowed, hence, God has been mocked.

Galatians 6:7: "Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows."

MaxInDHouse:
That's the time to go back to the assignment given to the first couple:

“Be fruitful and become many, fill the earth and subdue it, and have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and every living creature that is moving on the earth.” Genesis 1:28

Pick the assignment one after another!
Be fruitful: the planet needs to be filled with happy couples each having their own garden and home.
Subdue the earth: all the potentials of the planet we will continue to unravel what man has found like electricity, telecommunication and the rest will be like a half out of billions of discoveries we will make as a global family! Ecclesiastes 3:11
Have in subjection all the animals: we will have all other creatures as pets that we can send on errands and play with them both the ones that are wild now and domesticated ones! Isaiah 11:6-7; 65:25;

Will Jesus live here with you??

MaxInDHouse:
Do you think Gandhi who said Christians shouldn't be warriors and politicians killing innocent people can treat JWs who doesn't engage in politics and military services badly?


In Paradise there's no religion that could stand apart from JWs so after 100 years of listening to JWs whoever refuses to accept will die as a youth because by then God would have removed sickness and oldage! Isaiah 65:20


Children are resurrected because they've been taught God's righteousness or their parents are there in Paradise yearning to see them so if a child has no relatives in Paradise and never grew up to the stage where he or she could make use of conscience such ones have no business with Paradise.


Death is the wages of sin so if someone has sown something tangible he will be remembered and if someone can't sow anything good due to lack of conscience or without conscience he is also a waste product having no business with Paradise!

Oda, let's move on.
So you guys have been resurrected, what will you be doing for eternity?

MaxInDHouse:
As long as he or she has broken the rule:

"You must not kill"

Nobody cares about the number what comes to mind is whether it happened by mistake or it's a deliberate act once it's found out to be a deliberate act he or she will be sentenced to death.
That's exactly the same thing God does.
The only difference between man's judgement and God's is that there is going to be a remedy to bring back those innocent people killed but man only removes the killer to stop him from going further!

People actually care, if there is a way to kill the killer a million times also people will, but there is no way so they kill him once.

MaxInDHouse:
It depends on their response to the visit of JWs.
Whoever rejects our visit at their homes and never thought about why these people kept coming but decided to treat us like trash has been judged already because such a person has rendered his or her conscience dead. Matthew 10:11-15

Is the person's conscience dead because he didn't accept your teachings or because he treated you like trash??
Let's assume you folks preached to Gandhi when he was alive but he didn't accept your teachings, does that mean his conscience is dead??

Gandhi has a lot of chances because in his time he realized that the religionists claiming Christians doesn't have anything doing that relates to what Christ taught or stand for.
So many like him will be resurrected when only JWs are on this planet and by then we will teach them what Jesus taught when there is no distractions like what we have today from countless religions.

What if they still doesn't want to join you folks??

God can never be kicked!
To illustrate imagine a teacher who wants to teach billions of students few were very attentive while billions chose to do whatever pleases them and by the time of assessment the few were able to perform excellently due to being attentive to what the teacher taught them.
Please with those few WITNESSES performing up to expectation is the teacher mocked?

I read you reply once (correct me if I'm wrong) where you said babies born to other groups apart from JW are waste products and will not be resurrected.
If babies and people like Hitler can meet the same fate (not being resurrected) then, justice as not been served, Hitler and Co didn't reap what they sowed, hence, God has been mocked.

Galatians 6:7 : "Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows."

MaxInDHouse:
Of course it won't make sense to you since you don't believe that it's one couple that became billions of people today. From the viewpoint of faithful people breaking an egg is equal to killing a full grown cock and also stopping the family of millions of chickens so it makes a lot of sense to FAITHFUL people who believe the Bible!

Even going by this logic, it doesn't make sense.
Mr A killed one person, it was accounted that he killed a billion people (1,000,000,000)because of the potential people that could come from the person killed.

If Mr B. killed a million people, it should be accounted that he killed a million multiplied by a billion people (1,000,000,000,000,000).

You see, killing a person and killing a million is still not the same thing.

MaxInDHouse:
From God's standpoint one person is equal to a billion, remember Adam and Eve gave birth to the billions we have on this planet today so whether one or a million lives is the same thing from God's standpoint anyone who kills a person killed Adam!

Still doesn't make sense, you can't compare the misery caused by killing one person to the misery that will result from killing millions of people, you just can't, so they can't be equal.

According to God's word there are two types of people that will benefit from the resurrection hope:
[1] Those who has been declared righteous by God they will be resurrected as RIGHTEOUS ones.
[2] People who don't know the righteousness of God but lived by conscience {Romans 2:15} God won't judge them by his own standard but by their own conscience so they will be resurrected as UNRIGHTEOUS since they don't know the righteousness of God! Act 24:15

As for people who don't know righteousness of God and don't give a damn about conscience they will not be remembered at all! Psalms 9:17

Now, I understand, you(JW) belong to the first group, "the resurrected righteous". Do you think other groups apart from JW can belong to this group?

Do people like Gandi and mother Teresa belong to the second group? And do this second group forever remain the resurrected unrighteous?? or is there a way to upgrade their status to the righteous ones.

Hitler, Abacha etc belong to the third group "the unresurrected unrighteous" abi??
But I still belief they got away without reaping what they sowed. God has been mocked

CaptainJune:
Like you quoted, God is not mocked. A person reaps what they sow. If a rapist is caught but truly repents of his actions during the trial, it doesn't mean the rapist is not guilty before the law. He will spend the time allowed by the law in prison. He will suffer the consequences of his actions.

However, since he has repented his soul is set free from condemnation before God and has escaped from the wrath of God to come as long as he maintains his faith to the end. This is the purpose of Christ coming to the world to die for the sins of mankind...to save them from eternity of separation from God in hell fire, and to bring them to eternity with Him and the Father in heaven. This is the point of accepting Jesus.

Let's assume Hitler truely repented of his actions on his deathbed and accepted Jesus. What will happen to him after death.

CaptainJune:
That verse didn't imply that accepting Jesus as one's Lord and Saviour absolves a wrongdoer of the consequences of their actions.

If accepting Jesus doesn't absolves the wrongdoer of the consequences of his actions, then accepting Jesus doesn't cleanse sin, what's the point of accepting Jesus then??

CaptainJune:
Justlove91, you cannot choose some things in the Bible that agree with your beliefs while you toss the remainder aside.

Yes I can and just did

You do not believe in the Lordship of Jesus Christ, but you accept His teaching to love everyone. It doesn't work that way.

I don't have to believe his lordship before I can accept his message of love, there are some Buddha's teachings I accept even though I'm not a Buddhist, separate the message from the messenger.

To the question you asked, it means you live with the consequences of your actions. A person cannot avert or escape the implications or results of his actions and decisions, good or bad. God is not mocked because it is a natural and spiritual law devoid of manipulation by man or spirit.

What has this got to do with anything?

Everything!! Because by smuggling in Jesus as your savior, you're trying to escape the consequences of your actions thereby contradicting the above verse.

MaxInDHouse:
Exodus 20:13

The above verse never mentioned numbers its killing so one or millions is what a lay man sees while God sees a person as Adam who is capable of becoming father to billions so whether the killer killed one or billions it's the same thing from God's standpoint.

@bolded
Where is the justice in that??

You didn't answer my first question, will all the Jews killed my Hitler be resurrected even though they're not JW??

CaptainJune:
I thought you said the Bible doesn't make sense to you. Why are you quoting it?

Some parts make sense to me, example is that verse another one is where Jesus said Love your neighbor as yourself.

Now, explain the verse.

MaxInDHouse:
This is not the real life God purposed for mankind {1Timothy 6:19} it's everlasting life in Paradise without sickness or suffering so all the people killed by evildoers will be resurrected it's then they will enjoy life to the fullest but the unrepentant killers like Hitler will not be remembered that time {Psalms 9:17} the Bible says the wages of sin is death {Romans 6:23} the death of an unrepentant sinner is permanent while that of a repentant sinner is reversible.

That's what reaping what we sow meant!

So a person killed by an evil doer will be resurrected even if the person is not a JW, meaning all the Jews killed by Hitler will resurrected.

Hitler as reaped what he sowed by remaining dead for ever??
So Hitler that killed millions of people and another sinner that killed only one person both remained dead forever. Why is it that they both reaped the same thing when they didn't sow the same thing??

MaxInDHouse:
OK nah!

Adolf Hitler killed millions of Jews causing untold misery, he eventually killed himself.
According to your belief as JW, he will remain dead for eternity. How do you reconcile this belief with this verse

Galatians 6:7: "Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows."

How has he reaped what he sowed?

CaptainJune:
I hope the Lord opens your eyes to see the truth before it is too late.

Please explain this verse

Galatians 6:7 reads: "Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows"

CaptainJune:
There is only one Way, Jesus. Rejecting His blood sacrifice to redeem you from everlasting misery is folly beyond solution.

That's a lie from the pit of Hell

CaptainJune:
Haven't you noticed that none of this [s]foul, stinking, hateful, disgusting spirits pretending to be humans dead long ago[/s] has said that Jesus Christ is Lord and that He came in the flesh and died for our sins?

Maybe it's because he didn't come in the flesh to die for your sins.

Haven't you noticed? The Bible is here to guide us on the right spiritual path, not spirits.

The bible is just one book out of hundreds of religious books.

Friend, stop, pause, and think. If everyone goes to paradise on their own righteousness why then did Jesus come to die for our sins?

Jesus did not and cannot die for anyone's sin, whatever you sow, you you you will reap, Jesus will not reap it on your behalf.

CaptainJune:
Familiar spirits. Don't trust them. They will do anything to deceive man including acting as deceased persons. Your soul's eternal welfare depends on heeding this advice.

This is how I see it, there is the bible teachings and the Spirit teachings. I have no evidence for the truth of the bible teachings neither do I have for the spirit teachings.

Now, the Spirit teachings make far more sense to me than the bible teachings, so I did the logical thing to do, choose the one that at least made sense.

What you're asking me to do is choose the bible teachings which I do not have evidence of it truth and doesn't make sense to me either.

Greene:

And did you meet your people Mary?

Mary:

Aye, eventually I did. Yes, and eventually, I went to live with my mother, and eventually after that, my husband.

Greene:

How did you meet your husband? How did you, sort of...

Mary:

Well he was away - this may sound odd - but he was away and he was doing some special work, I found out afterwards. But it was to do... to do with some war that was going on somewhere, in Africa... South Africa or something like that I think.

And he was helping the wounded and the dying and, anyway, when he was free he came to my mother's place and then, eventually, we lived in his house, which was a pretty wee place... very small, but very nice.

It's the sort of house that we'd often talked about that we would have liked, you know. A little old-fashioned place with beams and rafters and a pretty little garden.

And he was, evidently, very keen on gardening. Not that he did on Earth, because it wasn't possible and we hadn't got a garden, but here, he became very interested and tends his flowers.

But you know, he'd been doing this work, helping these soldiers in this South African War, which I suppose I'd been ill for some months and I may have vaguely heard about this war, but I had no recollection of it until he told me, that this dreadful business had been going on.

Of course, there's been worse wars and he's been doing a lot of rescue work and I go [unintelligible] and do nursing. I've been helping souls, latter years, in what you call, or we call, the reception stations, as I've told you.

And I find it very interesting work. I meet all sorts of very interesting people and I'm able to talk to them and help them to sort of... adjust themselves to their new way of life and their new thoughts.

It's very essential that people should eradicate all the old ideas and thoughts, you know and become more and more, as it were, adjusted and more attuned to a different way of life and a different vibration and condition of life.

It's all very interesting you know, our work. I would hate to be in a place where there was nothing to do.

Woods:

What...what happened to the little girl that was next to you?

Mary:

Oh, I presume, I don't know, but I presume that her people came to collect her eventually. But she had definitely only been here a day or two. But, um, evidently there was a reason why she had to stay a little while. There always is of course.

Greene:

What is your world like, uh, Mary?

Mary:

Oh what a question! What a question.
It's so varied that, really, you could not depict and describe much of it in a material language, because there's no words that could possibly describe or depict it.

Yet one can say that it's, in some respects, not unlike Earth at it's most beautiful, without all the things that cause one petty irritation and annoyance, without all the stupid things that people do to spoil it.

Here, everything is beautiful because people think beautiful thoughts and, in a strange kind of way, those beautiful thoughts help the atmosphere. It's so rarified and pure and beautiful and the light is so wonderful.

It's a reflective light we have, I'm told. Not from the sun, but some other source and it's always a soft beautiful light and the colourings here are so marvellous.

We have such a wonderful range of colours and the flowers too. I've been into forests of flowers - I suppose it's the only way you could describe them, where the flowers are enormous and beautiful, and give off the most beautiful perfume.

Of course, you see, here, although one can pick flowers, one soon learns not to. At first one does, I suppose, it's a habit to do that, and put them in the house, but we soon learn that it's not the thing to do, for there is life in the flowers and it is better that they should remain in their own natural surroundings.

But when my sister came and bought me those flowers I asked her about that and - a long time afterwards.

'Oh', she said 'they were only thought-flowers, they were not the actual flowers. They were thought created flowers. In other words, I thought of a beautiful bunch of flowers for you, and there they were for you.'

But it was only temporary you see. Oh, everything here is so perfect so beautiful.

Perhaps some other time I'll come again and talk to you, but I must go.

Greene:

Oh Mary, don't go...

Must you go?

Mary:

I'm afraid I have to go in a moment, they tell me my time is nearly finished.

Greene:

I was going to ask you...

Mary:

Did you want to ask me something?

Greene:

Yes. You said the air was very rarified. Do you have oxygen over there? Is it oxygen in the air?

Mary:

Well I don't know if you call it oxygen, but I call it air. Because one's conscious of breathing and conscious of taking in... well I suppose it must be air of a kind. But it's so.. it's like wine!

Ah, this is a perfect world. I have no desire to make any changes. I hope there are no more kinds of deaths, I'm quite happy where I am. Although they tell there are many spheres that one can enter into gradually. It's a matter of evolution. But I am quite content, I wouldn't want to move.

Anyway, I must go. But my love and blessings to both of you.

Goodbye.

I said, 'I don’t understand.'

She said, 'That’s all right. You remember when I was a wee lassie and I used to strum on the piano? And I always wanted to play and I used to get bad tempered and stamp and all the rest of it, because my fingers wouldn’t do the right things?'

She says, 'Now I can play beautifully. And I do it now by concentration and because I want to do it and because the power makes it possible for me to do it.'

I said, 'Do you think that’s so?'

She says, 'Aye,' she says, 'that’s so.' Anyway, she says, 'Come, we’ll go now. We’ll go and see Mama and the others.'

I said, 'But I thought you said Mama was coming.'

So she says, 'Oh, she’ll probably be downstairs.'

I thought, 'Well, I don’t understand this. It all seems so strange.'

And we went down a beautiful staircase. And it was just as if it was made of marble. It was beautiful. And there were all sorts of interesting people walking about, and all looking so fit and well and healthy. And everywhere there seemed to be, I don’t know, as if the whole place has been so well cared for. It was so clean.


We went down the stairs and out this, sort of, portico or whatever you call it, down some more steps into a beautiful garden. And it was as if, I don’t know, I’ve never been to these posh places, because I never was able to do that sort of thing on Earth, but I'm told it's not unlike you’d see in France in some of these beautiful gardens that they have with the fountains playing.

And there were all sorts of people. Children too, running and playing. And there were grown-ups, of course, and there were... everyone seemed to be fit and well.


And then I thought, 'how odd. None of these people seem out of place and yet I feel so out of place.'

'I suppose they’ve been here a long time,' I said to my sister.

She said, 'No, only just this last few days as you term time, and they’re just becoming acclimatised to everything and they’re waiting for their friends. They’re waiting for their relations.

This is what we call the ‘reception place’ where people come, quite often, not all, but quite a lot of people, until they’re sort of acclimatised to the new conditions of life. And their friends begin to arrive and then they come and, eventually they’ll go away.


'Usually, they go to live with their wife or their husband or perhaps their mother and father if they not married. Or at least the people that they love most. They are the ones that invariably wait in the garden and wait for them to come out, because then they know that they've awakened.

Of course, usually someone like myself, in your case, goes in to break the ice, as you might say, you know.'


Ah, it’s very wonderful. Do you know, no one need fear dying because it’s the most wonderful thing. It’s the most exciting thing that could ever happen to anyone. No one need ever to worry about it. Everything here is so real, so natural.

Everyone is so, I don’t know, full of love. And there's no hatred and no sort of intolerance and everyone's so patient, especially with those who are new and fresh, and everyone wants to help. It’s a wonderful way of life.

You know, I could not think there was anything wrong with the wee lassie. And I said, 'Well how long have you been here?'

She says, 'I’ve only just come.' She says, 'I’m very happy though.'

I said, 'I can see that.'

Anyway, then I saw my sister coming towards me. And I was so surprised because, you know, I had this sister and she died very young, when I was about twelve. We called her Kate.

And I thought, 'this is strange. Kate’s not here. Kate’s dead.' And there she was. And she came to me and she'd got a great big bunch of flowers in her arms. Beautiful flowers they were, fresh flowers with the dew on.

And she said, 'Here, I brought you these and we're so glad that you’ve come.' And she says, 'Mother’s coming soon, and also Pa.'

I says 'No,' I said 'That’s not possible.' I said, 'In any case, how are you getting in here, you know. You’re no here; you’re dead.'

She says, 'Oh, don't be silly,' she says, 'I’m dead all right and so are you!'

I says, 'What do you mean, I’m dead?'

She says, 'You’re dead.'

I says, 'Nooo, it’s not possible.' I said, 'I’m very much alive. I’m in hospital. But how did you get in? Did anyone see you come through the door?'

She says, 'Aye, they all saw me come through the door because they’re all dead that are here.'

I says, 'I don’t get this at all.'

And the wee little one, she sat looking at me in the next bed, and she says, 'Aye?' She says, 'Is that right? Are we dead and the lady? The lady,' she said, 'is she really dead too?'

So I said, 'Well, she’s my sister and she’s dead. And if she’s dead, then we must be dead, but we’re alive. I said, 'I don’t understand this.'

So my sister said, 'We’ve come to fetch you.'

I said, 'What do you mean, fetch me? You have to get permission from the hospital for me to leave the bed. But I must say I feel so well, I've never felt so good in my life.'

She says, 'Of course you’re all right. There’s nothing wrong with you at all. Only in your mind. Get that out of your mind. You’re no sick.'

Anyway, she says, 'I’ll see the lady that’s in charge of this ward.'

Anyway, after a while, there was a private discussion between them and I was allowed to get up.


And I said, 'Well what about my clothes?'

And my sister laughed, she said, 'You don’t need to worry about those. You’ve got them on.'

I says, 'What do you mean I’ve got them on?' And I looked at myself and there I was, I was dressed. I could not get this at all, because I did not remember putting any clothes on. And I did not remember bringing any clothes.


And there I was standing beside the bed in a beautiful gown. It was...was a pale blue and long, with a sash and lots of little lace things around the neck. I thought, 'Well I know, I don’t understand this at all.' And my hair was all combed and nice.

And my sister laughed and she said, 'That’s all right, I helped you to dress, but you didn’t know that.' She says, 'I helped you do your hair too, by my thoughts.'

I said, 'Well how’d you do that?' I said, 'Do you think I'll be able to do things by thoughts?'

So she said, 'Yes, of course you will. Take a little time to get accustomed to it, but once you realise that, by your thoughts, you can achieve all the things that you want to do.'

MARY IVAN


Greene:

Mary, can you tell us something about, you know, how you passed over? Were you bewildered when you passed over?


Mary:

Aye, I was ill a bit. But somehow, I don't know, whether it was my religious background - I was very religious as a girl - maybe it did not frighten me. I was here and I suppose I was glad to get out of it.

But, um, it was no different to the ways of what I expected, although I suppose I had got a [unintelligible] idea. But somehow it all seemed so natural.


I think that's the wonderful part about it when you come over here, everything's so natural. People expect all sorts of things if they expect anything at all. You know, sort of strange or religious in a kind of way, but it's not. It's just as if you... well it's like waking up and finding yourself in another country.

But it's not exactly strange because you're surrounded by people that you've known - people that have been very close and very dear to you.


My Mama was here. She was a sweet soul. She lived to be quite a good age. But you know, she was a very religious woman too. She died only a year before me.


I woke up and found myself in a kind of place like a hospital. I thought, 'well what's this?' Because I was in my own house and... you know, I was sick-a-bed and everything.

And I had a sister who was looking after me. And I remember waking up here and I was in a kind of ward place in the hospital.


But very nice and very clean, and everything seemed so fresh and airy, and everyone seemed to be so efficient and quiet and peace, and the sun or whatever it was - at least I thought it was the sun then - was shining through the windows now, and everywhere around was pretty and clean.

There were pictures hanging on the walls and somehow it seemed like a very special kind of hospital.


And I thought, well, this is strange. And then a very sweet woman came to me and said, 'You know,' she says, 'you just have to rest a little while and then you’ll soon be all right, once you sort of, sort yourself out and get to know things. And your people will be coming in to see you in a wee while.'


And I thought, 'This is strange.' I felt sure I was at home in my own bed, and here I am in a hospital, so I must have been unconscious and they must have brought me into hospital. I did not think at first that I was dead.


And then I could see, after a wee while, other souls lying around and there was a sweet little lass next to me in a bed, a little blonde child. Pretty child she was, and she was sitting up there and she was chatting away and then she showed me one or two things that she had; a dolly and some books and things. And she said, 'Isn't it nice being here?' She says, 'I'm so happy!'


I said, 'Aye, it's very nice, but what’s wrong with you?'

She says, 'Oh, I got diphtheria.'

I says, 'Well you don’t look like as if you’ve got diphtheria. You look as fresh as a daisy, and your cheeks and everything are bright and cheerful.'

MaxInDHouse:
Living in harmony is not our problem you can see that throughout the world only Jehovah's Witnesses are ever ready to live in harmony with everyone around us that's why we don't join in protest against constituted authorities or pick up weapons against people in the name of politics or military service.
Why not help others to do the same and see if this world won't be better than whatever they told you in their dreams?
LOYAL LOVE is the type of love that exists only within people having the same line of thought that's impossible when you don't believe the same thing!

My parents and siblings are Muslims, most of my friends are either Muslim or Christian and I'm loyal to them even though we don't have the same beliefs, so what are you saying??

I don't think there will ever come a time when everyone on earth will have the same beliefs and there is no need for that. Everyone just needs to live by the Golden Rule and we will create heaven on earth in no time.

MaxInDHouse:
Now you want to start deceiving yourself!

In the first place we relate with people of all kinds without being a member of our group so the love we have for neighbours is undeniable the difference between the love we have for a member of our organization and the one we have for others is what we call "LOYAL LOVE"

Of course you can live with billions of people around you but you can only be loyal to those with whom you share the same line of thought.

WHY?

Because it's the same set of rules that binds you together with them therefore when it comes to marriage alliance you can't just get into such with anyone nah.

So it's a lie that you love everyone equally you can't deceive everyone with that because it's not possible!

MaxInDHouse, which one be loyal love again can there be disloyal love??

I repeat We don't have to share the same belief to leave together in harmony, so far the beliefs are harmless

@bolded
When I say love, I don't mean affection or emotion. I mean the notion of I wish only good for you and don't wish any harm for you.
That, you can have for anybody even complete stranger with the most ridiculous beliefs.

MaxInDHouse:
Now you choose to reason intelligently but try not to be biased!

If i don't know you from anywhere but decided to be your family because we share the same line of thought what do you think will happen when you decide to stop following the same rules that binds us together in the first instance?

To illustrate: Nigeria is a country where you are free to live as a citizen if you choose to be here with us the only reason why you are part of the family is the constitution which you agreed to live with but then you decided to turn your back on the same constitution that made you a Nigerian, would you still be regarded as a citizen of Nigeria?

That's reasonableness!

Stop deceiving yourself, true love is unconditional, in the higher planes where unconditional love rules, you find millions infact billions of people with different harmless beliefs leaving together in harmony.

You will find a Christian that belief in one God leaving in harmony with an Hindu that belief in many Gods. Infact one can remain an atheist if he/she likes and nobody will have any problem with it so far it does not affect his capacity to love.

We don't have to share the same belief to leave together in harmony, so far the beliefs are harmless.

In your organisation, a member can get disfellowship by having a harmless belief like "Jesus is God" what does it matter whether he is God or not.

MaxInDHouse:
Of course not everyone will appreciate love, joy and peace nah, selfish ones will surely despise it!

Maybe what they want is unconditional love, joy and peace, but they got in and find out this love and peace is conditioned on them following thousands of rules and they just can't take it anymore and would rather get out and come leave with us outside and immediately they decide to leave, "love" quickly turns into hate (disfellowship) even when the person had served in the organisation for years.