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MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ that's the greatest miracle ever in the history of mankind!

At least you acknowledged one thing: humans from all the countries of the world found like-minded individuals and formed a global family of peace loving worshipers just as that book says.
Ọmọ if you called them deluded fellas yours is the best thing that could ever happen to mankind just that your dreams aren't enough to convince sane people to make the world we live in now a better place where peace loving people of like minds agreed to live as one family.

Meanwhile you are still free to go to your other side after all it's far better than here only that you're reluctant to decide yet!

If it's all peace and love, why do we have people leaving it?? I guess the love is too much they can't endure it anymore

MaxInDHouse:
Do you know what it means for people from all the nations, races and tribes on this planet to come out from among their own people and form such a global family of peace loving worshipers {Zephaniah 3:9} right at the same time when all the others are still planning wars against themselves? Revelations 6:3-4.

Your discussions always lead to this "proof"

Well i was a Muslim when i first heard this and i couldn't believe it until i found the organization of people in my own generation who are fulfilling this prophecy today!

Ofcourse, it's a self fulfilling prophecy, this organization saw the prophecy in their book and it decides to fulfil it with like minded people, what's the big deal.

And sometimes it happens that a person will find the atmosphere of one sided forced love in the organization suffocating and dump it and you all disfellowsip him/her, you see there is no supernatural glue holding the organization together just bunch of deluded fellas with common delusion.

Tellmeastory:
You know the deal, bro.

Thanks man

MaxInDHouse:
Guy the point is the same:

Good people will cross from here to a better condition while bad people cross into a worse condition the fire or whatever is just spices the point remains that death is not the end of living creatures.

The Bible God says DEATH ends all life so at death creatures seize to exist! Ecclesiastes 9:5-10

Bible God is clearly wrong

MaxInDHouse:
Face the OP with this he needs your sermon because that's the topic of his thread:

"The idea of Hellfire is IRRATIONAL MADNESS"

Con[b][/b]vince him that there are places worse than this planet on the other side he really needs your sermon on that.

So after all said and done the whole idea still boils down to a place of torment, this is really hilarious!

I don't have anything against the OP, let's analysis the first paragraph

The idea that the Source of All That Is, the Supreme Intelligence, has arranged an everlasting torturous FIRE to burn people “forever”, ie for trillions upon trillions upon trillions of MILLENNIA simply because they did not “believe” something during their 70 odd years on Earth is so manifestly IRRATIONAL and INSANE, that even the belief in its truism is a sign of mental disorder.


From these paragraph, anyone can deduce what the OP see as irrational.

1. That there is a literal fire that burn people.
2. That anyone that enters this fire stays there forever.
3. That this fire is created by God.

Now let's compare the points with the spirit teachings.

There is a literal fire

When I say dark plane I don't mean a place with literal fire that roast people. It a place where people with evil propensity is grouped together and they create a condition of hell for themselves.

We can see the hell different rival gangs in Lagos for example create for each other. Now imagine a place with hundreds of millions of beings with evil propensity, there is no fear of police or jail, they can act out their evil desire on each other to whatever extent they desire. They can experience the most painful torture and there is no death to ease the pain.

Also, because the place they are is a thought responsive place, these evil inner qualities are reflected on the environment, so there is no flower, light, music or anything that can please the senses or heart.

So, there is hell but there is no hellfire.

Anyone that enters this fire stay there forever

The condition of hell is not permanent or forever. Hope is eternal, even beings that have sunk to the deepest hell can "climb" out of it.
This is because hell is just a reflection of their inner state and when they begin to change their inner state from one of evil, selfish and greed to love, compassion and kindness, they begin to climb out of it to a better place and no power in heaven or earth can make them stay in a place that is not in harmony to their improved inner state.

Hellfire is created by God

Hell is not created by God, imagine the other side as a giant 3D mirror reflecting the inner qualities of each soul as an objective reality.
This means even the light planes are not created by God but a reflection of the inner qualities of being leaving there.

MaxInDHouse:
Lesson kwua?

What stupid lesson am i learning in a place that's not good for me when i can move to a better place where all my needs will be met?

We are talking about a better place so there's no need for excuses if you're sure of the better place!

There are better places other there but one thing you should know is, you have to earn it. And those lessons you called stupid are your earning ticket.

You can't be wicked, selfish and greedy and expect to live together with beings that've conquered these qualities and are know kind compassionate and loving.

Infact, it is these qualities they have that made the place they live a better place just as there are worse places where those who are wicked, selfish and greedy are grouped together.

So if you don't learn the stupid lessons you might find yourself in a worse place.

MaxInDHouse:
If i believe that America is better than Nigeria and i want to leave Nigeria never to return surely i will speak with my family and tell them that whoever loves me should pack his or her luggages and off we go.

Ọmọ stop deceiving yourself joo!

So how many people have you met that viewed death as going to America, what makes you think my friends and family are any different.

And you forgot about the first reason I gave, which is that there are lessons we all need to learn here and teach others directly or indirectly. You want me to be a drop out?? Haba!!

MaxInDHouse:
OK somewhere is better than where you are presently but something gave you rule not to cross over at will and you want a sane person to see you and that your lawgiver as normal beings shey?
Omo continues deceiving yourself!

You still don't get it Bro, you can't willfully create unhappiness for others and expect to be happy on the other side it just can't happen. If I should end it now I will have to reap the grief and sadness I've caused others, it's a simple law of sowing and reaping.

And since I can't reap the fruit of unhappiness in the light plane, I will most definitely find myself on the dark plane which is not where I intend to go. Why can't you understand that??

The dark plane is not a place one should be eager to go, the wicked should really fear death.

MaxInDHouse:
Ask any deluded religionists that's the same way they will bet their life on their delusion yet when it comes to acting on what they claim to believe it's zero.

So if you're not ready to help yourself towards getting to the other side quickly it simply means you're not sure of what they told you!

What do you mean "help myself"?? Did not read and understand what I said about suicide and its consequences??

Its obvious you just want to continue to delude youself with your belief that everybody fear death. Just know that everytime you type or say the statement "everybody is afraid of death" you're deluding yourself.

MaxInDHouse:
You can continue deceiving yourself death ends life that's why nobody wants to die all your friends are having nightmares yet none of them wish to die!

I swear on my life I'm an exception to that (@bolded), when I see old people, I get jealous of them because they're about to enter the real life.

My grandfather is over seventy years before he dead, my grandmother also, my father (still alive is seventy), etc, we tend to reach old age before dying in my family and the thought of having 30 plus years left here makes me sad sometimes.

But ofcourse we tend to project our beliefs and fears unto others so you may not believe me but know this just because most people are afraid of death doesn't mean everybody is

MaxInDHouse:
But what are you waiting for here since you prefer that side and the only thing blocking your joy is death?

You think I don't know from the start that this is where you're going with your question?? Lol

Well suicide is not allowed, there are lessons I'm to learn here, also the reason why one should let it happen naturally is how people react to death, I have father, mother, siblings, friends and I will have to be responsible for all their grief and sadness if I end it myself.

And because of the unhappiness I've caused those that loved me due to my selfishness, I may find myself in a dark plane which is not where I'm eager to go.

MaxInDHouse:
If you truly believe what this people told you i'm asking you in person:

Between here and the other side which they've told you so much about where do you want to live now?

Though this question is not directed at me, I will answer for myself.

I truly truly believe in what they say and would much prefer to live there rather then here.

I have absolutely no fear of death, infact whenever I hear someone died I say lucky bastard (jokingly ofcourse).

If you pray for me to live till old age, I wouldn't say Amen, I can't even bear the thought of living decades more here.
And I believe the day I die will be the happiest day of my life.

Indeed, it is so, so different and so tremendously alive, so vital, so tremendously, as it were...so far removed from man's conception of things, that it cannot be depicted or described. One can only feel it and know it and sense it. It is so vast and so beautiful.


Do not fear that passing from your world to this. For whatever condition of life you may enter, no matter how lowly it may be, it will be a reflection of your world, but according to its condition and according to your condition of passing - and particularly according to your development or lack of it - so you will find a condition that will apply to you and be best suited.


And even though it may seem, perhaps, to some dark and drear, according to their light, yet there is freedom to express and develop and evolve. Of course, we know there are the lower spheres, the undeveloped spheres, where the undeveloped souls go, but even so, it is not a hell as pictured by many who would have it so. There is no hell, only that which man himself creates by his own thinking and his own living.


Here, that which man has created will change according to him, according to his striving and his uplifting himself from the darkness. Man dwells oft-times in darkness of his own creating.

As soon as he begins to desire the spark of life eternal, as soon as he is endeavouring to strive and uplift himself from the lower sphere, so he will be helped and guided and given instruction and shown the path.


No-one need fear, for this is a world of love and true brotherhood and all who come will be shown the path and the way. There is no need for fear, for God truly is love. And this is a world of love, in which all who dwell are seeking to uplift themselves from stage to stage in evolution, to a greater sense of the reality of the power and the love of the spirit.


All is good, if man will but seek it and find it. Man will progress from the depths to the heights. All is here for man to experience and enjoy. It is truly the life of the spirit, but it is a spiritual existence far removed from man's ideas and man's conception of things; for this is a world created by the thought and the beauty of expression of life, that is so far removed from the material ideas and ideals.


Be patient, but above all, strive to overcome the worser self, endeavouring to see with a clarity of vision all that which is of God, truly of God, and cast aside all that which holds you back. Do not be afraid, for to have fear is a bad thing indeed. To have strength and faith and courage and to lift up your eyes to the beauty of the spheres: this shall set you free.



You will find truly, the path and the way. There is no need for man to fear the consequences of death. For death is the great door through which we all find the world of reality, the world of the spirit, the world everlasting.



There is no death; only that which seems so. And man himself has created death in ignorance and in foolishness. But one day he will find, as I and others have found, the way of truth, the way of life, the way of freedom: the path that leads to God. My blessings to all and to you both, in particular.

There is a diffused subtlety of light at times. There is never darkness. There is a kind of, what you might call perhaps, a twilight - and yet this is something which in itself is so unlike yours.

There is a time for quietitude with us and rest and yet there is never any need for rest or sleep; but a peacefulness that comes upon us when we feel the need. And then our energies, which never seem to flag, are ever present, ever calling upon us to do more, to experience more, to endeavour more.


There is all the beauty and magnificence of the countryside and the colourings of nature, but even more glorified and beautified than anything you know.

There are all the conditions that one would expect of your life - but much more rarefied and more beautiful - much more vast in its comprehension and its experience.


We have, of course, all the animals that constitute nature, but there again in a more highly developed state of being. There are all the domestic animals that one has loved, but even with them there is the realisation of that oneness with man's world and man's kingdom.


There is the ability for the animal world to make itself understood and we to understand them. They do not have to convey in words, because it is not necessary or possible, possibly.


But the point is, that we know what they think, we know what they feel and they know what we say unto them. They read our thoughts and they are able to understand all that we feel. That, I think, is one of the greatest things of this life: is that being completely and absolutely comprehended, not only by the human race similar to oneself, but to the lesser (so called) kingdom of the animal and the birds and the freedom and the beauty.


One cannot experience these things without feeling, when one endeavours to depict and describe them, so...so lacking in oneself, so feeble in one's attempt to convey and yet one endeavours.


I can only say this to you. To all those who may listen, there is no need to fear the crossing from your world to this. It is a great adventure. It is the great awakening into a greater world of loveliness and beauty and freedom of thought. Truly, this is a spiritual world, but not as man has depicted it.

My life has changed, as indeed all lives change. As one expands one's knowledge and experience, one enters into new life on other spheres.

Though we do not have, as you understand the expression, 'death', there is a form of death; that is a passing from one sphere to another - a greater consciousness and awareness of new conditions and ideals. But all this is progression, gradual, assimilating knowledge and experience.


There is no time, of course, to us, as you understand it and yet there is a form of realisation of time; but it is so different that one cannot hope to express it in words, or explain it.

On the sphere on which I now exist, there is such tremendous opportunity and there are great souls, indeed, who have progressed through sphere to sphere and experience to experience.

We have the most wonderful form of existence that one could hope to experience - and yet all the time one is experiencing this existence and life, one is ever conscious of the possibilities of that which still lies further ahead.


It is impossible, I think, for any soul to describe the spheres that are more advanced. The spheres that are near the Earth, because they are near the Earth, can be depicted and described and no doubt have been described and depicted many times.

But the souls who have gone into an atmosphere and condition far removed from Earth can never hope to recapture in words and expression, to you, that which they inhabit.


But I can say that that which constitutes my life is full of beauty, full of colour, full indeed of every aspect of loveliness that words could depict or experience could experience. There is so much. There are great buildings, beautiful to behold. There are great cities in which all can be found that is good for the life of the individual.

There are great theatres, of course, in which great plays are performed. Great operas, even, are sung. Great musicians compose great works, so the great orchestras can play and many can be blessed by music and the colour which suffuses the whole auditorium during its performance.


If only I could even just depict the colourings of this world, this place in which I find myself now, so far removed from your realisation. Colours beyond description; ever changing in their subtlety and ever giving forth, as it were, a luminosity and a beauty so far removed from material ideas, that one cannot hope to recapture.


Thinking, as one must, in comparison to the rainbow of the Earth, one can see here, as it were, the colourings of innumerable rainbows with innumerable colourings, far more vast and comprehensive in their spectrum.

There is no need for anyone, in a sense, to fear death. For whatever the individual may be, no matter how undeveloped, no matter how low that person may have sunk, over here there are varying degrees of existence, various planes of unfoldment or development, into which every individual finds his or her place.


And there is growth, there is no standing still. There is evolution which passes through phases and conditions. And the soul certainly grows in its knowledge and experience.



I would say that the truly spiritual person, is the person who has lost so much of the material and has grasped and become truly a part of this life - which is so vast in its conception and its experience, that as one becomes more and more aware and conscious of it and becomes more and more developed unto it and with it, so that individual becomes truly more spiritually grown, more spiritually conscious and aware - but not in the narrow sense as the Earth understands the term or expression - but without fear, without any of the drawbacks which hold man so firmly to Earth when living in the body.



Here there is no restriction placed upon expansion and expression. Here you assimilate knowledge and experience and here you throw off more and more of the old self and become truly free.

And I think freedom of expression, freedom of realisation, freedom of thought, is truly the spiritual lesson that comes to us all gradually and gives us that spiritual consciousness and awareness and truly creates and makes possible a spiritual life.



But it is the narrow confines of Earth which prevent individuals from becoming spiritual beings. One must have complete and absolute freedom of expression in the highest sense, to be able to discard all that which is of the material, all that which holds one down, all that which prevents one from expressing and expanding.


Anything which is inclined to prevent the human life from developing and growing and expressing on Earth must be and is bad. Anything that stultifies, anything that in anyway makes it an impossible thing for the human being to have freedom of expression and thought must be and is bad.



There is so much that is taught that is erroneous and untrue. There's so much supposition. There is so much that is sheerly guesswork. And sometimes it is, no doubt, given to the people of the Earth with a distinct desire to hold back growth and progress.

Certainly there is much in the religious teachings, of which can be traced back to individuals in past ages, who used their power for themselves and for that which they felt was good and yet has since oft-times proved to be otherwise.



Anything that stultifies, anything that holds back freedom of thought and expression must be bad. And I think so many people do come here with firm, fixed ideas - ideas that have been implanted in them through the whole of their existence, often through fear. They have been afraid to express their true feelings and emotions.


They have been afraid to pursue new lines of thought. They have been afraid even to read books which possibly would have helped them tremendously, but it had been forbidden to them.

Over here a spiritual life is a life of complete and absolute freedom, in which you are able to assimilate all experience and knowledge. Great teachers from other spheres enter the lower spheres to advise and to guide and to uplift.


Here there is complete unity and harmony and love. Here there is truly brotherhood. Here there is the wisdom of all time, expressed in all manner of ways, by all manner of peoples; irrespective of any Earthly idea of class or creed or colour.


I would say that what holds humanity back in your world, is this unfortunate clinging to old ideas and old ideals - clinging to outworn creeds and religions - clinging to the barriers built up by class, built up by ignorance and peoples that are held apart from one country to another because of patriotism and all the false ideals.

We want to break down all the barriers that have kept men apart. We want to bring a new realisation of God's love and purpose and give you some glimpse of what truly a spiritual life is.

Indeed, I feel each time I come, more and more, the difficulty in transmitting very much that would make sense to you or perhaps would be of any great value to you.


Everything must be brought down to a level of Earthly comprehension. And so it is that I am sure that others who come, say much the same and refer to events and incidents similar to my own, on a level which only can be described, in a sense, as a material conception of things spiritual.



And I think so much, in a sense, nonsense has been talked about spirituality and spiritual conditions. Possibly, chiefly due to numerous references over countless years to Biblical sayings and happenings and the aspect of mind of possibly the Church and the clergy, whose comprehension of things spiritual is in a sense, at times to say the least of it, very much mis-understood, very much coloured by things which in themselves are far removed from the reality as we understand the term and expression of 'spiritual'.



Spiritual is not necessarily religious. And whenever I think back to Earthly conception of things spiritual, it's invariably tied up or affected by or coloured by the interpretation given by the Church. Spirituality is not necessarily what it may seem or what it may have been conveyed by people on Earth.



Spirituality, in a sense, is not necessarily...and in fact. very rarely has anything to do with religion, as such. In fact I would go as far as to say, that true spirituality is an escape, rather, from religious thought and religious experience.



There is so much spoken about the spiritual life and so very few people know what the spiritual life is or what it really means. And until one has become what is termed a spiritual being one can hardly expect to grasp and understand what it implies.


Certainly, here, to be a spiritual person you have to discard many of the ideas, many of the theological conceptions of a spiritual life and existence.



I would say that this is the natural life and yours is the artificial and that the truly natural life is, in a sense, a spiritual life. I think it's St Paul [who] says we have a physical body and a natural body. We have a natural body and it is sometimes confused with the spiritual body. This is the natural existence - that life which is termed the spiritual. And the material life is a very pale reflection of the reality.

ELLEN TERRY


Terry:

Each time I attempt to speak to you I'm very conscious indeed of all the difficulties.

I don't think it's possible for anyone on your side of life to realise how very, very difficult it is; endeavouring to converse, endeavouring to convey, with some clarity, one's thoughts, endeavouring to enunciate words under such strained and difficult conditions.



I'm quite sure, of course, that it has never been satisfactorily explained to you and for that matter, I'm quite sure that no-one on this side could ever hope to do so. The difficulties are tremendous. And I suppose the extraordinary thing is that we are able to speak at all, to convey anything at all.



As I'm talking to you, all around and about are numerous souls - some whom I know not, others whom I know well. Yet, all have come with a desire, if not to personally communicate, to convey the power of their love to Earth and to you in particular, because of the work that you are endeavouring to do to enlighten mankind.



Actually, it is some time since last I spoke to you, but nevertheless in a country, as it were, such as mine, where time exists not, and one is only conscious of time when one endeavours to make a contact or a link with your Earth, and by your thoughts are we conscious of time at all.



It is extraordinarily difficult to hold fast to Earth memories when we have been here, as I have now, for over forty years. It is extremely difficult to recapture with any clarity some memories, some events of the past, for all this seems to have been such a long time ago.



And one, of course, has become adjusted to one's new life; which is full of interest, full of happenings which, even if one would wish to convey in words I know it would be practically impossible, because so much that transpires on this side of life cannot be picturised in words to you.

Anyway they were all around me and making me feel welcome, and I really felt as if I was among old friends. It was extraordinary, yet I didn't know a soul and they all seemed to know me and I felt quite at home with them.

And I thought, 'well, this is extraordinary.' Here was I arriving in a place where everybody seemed, you know, dead or away and no one bothered. And now it's as if they're all coming out to greet me. I thought this was a bit puzzling, so I asked my friend.


I says, “Why is it that, um, when I arrived, no one came to visit me...I mean, no one came to meet me or anything?”

“Oh,” she says, “that was deliberate.”

I says, “But why deliberate?”

“Oh,” she says, “that was very necessary, really. It was partly that you had to, in a subconscious way, if you like,” she says, “had to...although you were being helped you couldn't see the person or persons that was helping you...it was very necessary for you to come direct to me as I was the one who was chosen to take care of you.


The others knew, of course, of your arrival. And every house you passed, though you didn't see anyone, their love was so strong that it was helping you. And their thoughts were very real and very tangible.

And really, quite frankly,” she said, “they knew that the right moment would come a little later, once you had adjusted yourself and you'd been helped by me,” she says, “to see and to understand a little.

Then you'd be more ready to,” you know, sort of, “be received by a lot of people.


If we'd all been there it would have been too much for you. You just wouldn't have been able to grasp things. It was better that it should be as it was.

Now,” she says, “you're settling in, you're getting to know people and people are getting to know you, and the next thing will be to, once you really settle down a bit, to find the kind of thing - work - you'd like to do.

But,” she says, “before that it may be a very good idea if we go back to Earth and see how your people are and see if there's anything we can do.”



She says, “It may be very depressing for you, very sad for you, because they don't realise that you're alive and, uh, because...therefore it will make you unhappy that you can't make contact with them.

But you did say that you had an Aunt who was interested, so we might be able to do something there, but we'll have to wait and see.”

Anyway, another time when I come I'll tell you more about that because I...I don't think I can make it now.

But, you know, there's a lot of things that I feel that would be of interest - and someone said to me, he said, “Why don't you go and talk to them,” you know, “and see if you can help them.” So I thought, 'well, yeah.'

And she says, “You'll exhaust this plane or this sphere or this condition of life in which you are now. Eventually,” she says, “you'll realise that there's nothing more that you can learn here, or nothing more that's necessary to you here, and you'll feel the urge and the need to extend your experience.

And you'll pass into a different existence of a higher sphere or plane,” as she called it, “where you'll be able to appreciate and learn and experience all sorts of things that you couldn't possibly experience on this.”

She says, “But that may be a long time yet.” She says, “There's so much that you've got to experience, so much you've got to learn.” And she says, “You'll have every opportunity given you to study and to take an interest in so many different things.

” And she says, “You, if you want to, you can do almost anything. Whatever you would like to do or be,” you know. She said, “When you were on Earth you were very keen, weren't you, on music?”

So I says, “Well, how did you know that?”

So she says, “Well you were, weren't you?”

So I said, “Well, yes. I used to be very keen on the piano, but I never really was any good at it.”

So she says, “Well you'll have every opportunity here, if that's what you'd like to do and to be a really first-class pianist,” you know.

And I says, “Well I can't imagine myself being a great pianist.” I says, “I like good music and I used to...you know...try, like.”

So she says, “Oh, well we shall see won't we?” She said, “Then later on, when you're more settled,” she says, “and you're more at home, perhaps we'll see what we can do about it,” you know.

Anyway, she took me up to this...and there again, she's...you know, another thing: I told you when I came up the road, in the first instance, it seemed as if the place was empty. It was like a place where - oh, like a dead city, a place, you know, with no one at all.

And yet everything looked trim and nice and clean and fresh and everything - as if everybody had gone off for an afternoon siesta when I arrived, sort of thing, you know.

Anyway, this time going up the road, it was as if everyone was out, standing at the door, or was coming down to the pathway, you know.

And, uh, goodness me, I hadn't got very far up the road, as if...before, as if...well, I was surrounded by people, all sorts of people; young and - mostly young people - one or two seemed to be elderly and yet, looking back on it I realise they weren't old, but there was something about them suggested that there was age and yet, they didn't look old. I can't explain that.

But anyway they were all, sort of, shaking me by the hand and calling me by name and I thought, 'well that's odd,' everybody knows my name, everyone's calling me Terry as if they'd known me all their lives.

And it's...I realised afterwards of course, that there's very little escapes them if a new person's coming into the community, or a number of people coming from Earth into that community - which, as I found afterwards, was a special community really, of souls whose task it was to help newcomers and to guide them and...especially young people and with the war on, you know, there was loads of youngsters coming over.

Of course, gradually as I got, sort of, familiar with everything and...and a little later (I suppose it was a little later) uh, she took me out and what appeared to be, I suppose, the sun.

Although she told me later there was no sun, that it was illumination, uh, from which, uh, all of us, you know, all life was, uh, able to draw some sort of, I don't know, I suppose some sort of power.

But the illumination was...the funny thing about the illumination - this may sound odd - but it didn't seem to cast shadows. Although she said that in some places, uh, the light did cast shadows.


But it seemed to me as if everything was pleasantly bright without being harsh, and there didn't seem to be any shadows and it didn't seem it was necessary to withdraw, as it were, from the light, because the light was so pleasing and pleasant.

And it wasn't over...what you'd say, hot, you know. You didn't feel as if it was burning you, yet it was a pleasant warmth. A sort of...it's very difficult...a sort of radiance I suppose.


Anyway we went out...I went out with her. She says, well...and she just pulled the door and I says, “Are you going to lock your door?” “Oh,” she says, “there's no need for that here you know.”


And much to my surprise, as we went out, the cat got up and walked out and followed us. And it was walking along just as if it was - well, like you'd expect a dog more than a cat, I suppose.

So, she's talking away to this cat and she says, “All right, come along,” sort of thing, you know and she kept calling it Nelly.

And I thought, 'well Nelly's a funny name for a cat. I never heard a cat called Nelly before.' And she must have sensed my thoughts, because I found, after a very short time, that I didn't have to speak to her. She knew what I was thinking.

“Oh,” she says, “you think it's an odd name for a cat, don't you?”

So I said, “Well, Nelly. I've never heard a cat called Nelly. I suppose there's no reason why a cat shouldn't be called Nelly as well as...as Tiddles or something,” you know. And she said, “Well Nelly's the name that my mother gave this cat.”

I said, “Your mother?” I said, “How old's that cat then?”

“Oh,” she says, “this cat must be now, judging by material age,” she says, “about, oh, sixty-odd years old.”

So I said, “Sixty years old?” I said, “I don't know; I've heard cats having nine lives,” you know, trying to make her laugh, you know.

She says, “Well,” she says, “actually, of course everybody has many lives.” She says, “You're having an extension of your life. But you'll find you'll have an extension of this life and so on, ad infinitum,” as she put it, like, you know.


I thought, 'well, I don't know.' “All this is a bit too much for me.”

She says, “You'll grasp it later.” She says, “You mustn't think that just because you're dead, so-called, um, that you won't have an extension of life, to a degree, whereby you'll eventually be able to extend it into another condition of life.”

So I said, “But I don't quite get that,” you know.

She says, “Well, for the time being don't let it worry you, son,” she says, you know. She says, “You'll find that...that all life is really an extension of a previous life. In other words,” she says, “you go on and on, ad infinit...finitum,” as she says it, you know.

Then all of a sudden, during the middle of the conversation this cat did the most funny thing, I thought. It may sound silly, but it jumped off this chair and it came up to me and it sat on it's hind legs and it looked up at me.

And it sort of cocked its ears up and - it didn't miaow, it didn't make that noise like a cat - but it was just as if the thing spoke! Do you know I nearly dropped...I was so shaken.



She says, “Oh, hmm,” she says, “don't worry,” she says, “you'll get used to that.” She says, “The animals,” she says, “over here have developed, to a great extent, their ability to make themselves understood.

Of course, on Earth in a way they can do that, but we don't hear them speak because they haven't language as we understand it.

But over here their thoughts are such that they can, sort of, vibrate...” she says, “...the atmosphere and you can hear the sounds. And it's merely their thoughts being transmitted to you so that you can hear them.”



Then she says...hmm, this cat says, “How are you?” You know, and I thought, 'by cripes, this is quite mad,' you know. Cats don't say 'how are you?' and, hah, I didn't know what to do, what to say.

She says, “Don't worry,” she says, “you'll get used to that.” She says, “Animals,” she says, “are much more sensitive than people realise and they have their own knowledge of things.

They can transmit thoughts and they pick up thoughts and you'll get used to the fact that animals can convey a great deal more from this side than they can on Earth.”



Anyway I got, sort of, adjusted to the idea and I said, “Very well thanks.” And then the cat...it seemed as if the cat said - I don't say the cat said this, but it seemed as if it said, “Well, I hope you'll be happy here.”

And I thought, 'well this is most peculiar.' Then the cat went back and sat on the chair and curled up and as far as I was concerned it went to sleep.'


Of course I still couldn't get this at all. She says, “Don't worry,” she says, “you'll understand, that animals have a great, uh, capacity of understanding and over here they can transmit their thoughts, the same as I can transmit mine to yours, without even the effort of speaking if I want to.” She says, “You can read my thoughts and I can read yours.

Thought is a real thing to us and it's very tangible and that's why animals can communicate by thought-force,” she said.

And all this was very good, you know...sort of got me...oh, well I don't know...this is something this is, you know.

So I says, “Oh yeah?” You know, sort of listening, like, not quite taking it all in, you know. So I says, “Well I don't understand this at all.”

So she says, “Well don't you worry,” she says. “You stay with me. I'll look after you. I'll be like your Mum.”

So I thought, 'well that's something,' you know.

And, uh...then she started talking about my people - and it rather shook me, because she seemed to know all about my people - about my Mum and Dad and how they, sort of, separated and about my sister who was in...in the WRENS* you know, and all that.

And I thought, 'well, I don't know, she seems to know everything about us.'

So I says, “Well are you in any way related to us?”

So she says, “Well, not really,” she says. “But, um, it was part of my job to know something about your people, being as how I've to look after you.” And so I says, “Well, that's funny,” I says. “Since you say I've only just come over, how do you know about my lot?” You know.

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So she says, “Oh well, that's not difficult. It's only a matter of tuning in,” she says. “Tuning in?” I says. “Sounds like the wireless.”



So she says, “Oh well we can.” she says. “If we have any special reason for wanting to know about a particular person or persons,” she says, “and it's a special work that we have to do, and we've got some sort of connection there that's necessary for us to know things, then we tune in.” She says, “a little later on,” she says, “not yet,” she says, “we'll go to see your people.” So I says, “Oh that'll be nice.”

So she says, “Of course,” she says, “you know they won't know you're dead.

I mean, they won't know that, um, you're there. They'll know that you're dead, but they won't know that, um, you're still alive, you know - that you can, sort of, watch them or go and see them, you know. You mustn't be too upset if no one takes any notice of you.”



So I says, “Oh. Well,” I says, “I did have an Aunt who was a Spiritualist.”

So she says, “Well that's good,” she says. “Perhaps we can get something through in that direction. You never know. We'll have to try her.” She says, “Well, um, for the time being,” she says, “you must try and be content to be here.”

She says, “I've got a son on Earth,” she says, “...and I'm hoping one day when he comes over here that we shall be together again. I expect we shall,” she says. “But, um, in the meantime,” she says, “I'm going to look upon you as if you're my own son.”

And she says, “I'm going to do all I can for you and try and make you happy. And you're not to worry and you're not to, sort of, feel...you know, sort of alone or anything like that.” She says, “A little later on,” she says, “when you've rested,” she says, “...I think you should rest,” she says, “this has all been a bit of a shock for you...” she says, “I'll take you out and you'll be introduced to all sorts of interesting people in our community.”

So I says, “Oh yes, that's very interesting.”

Nice little room it was, very nice, with chintzy curtains and chairs and it all looked very homely. And there was a cat sitting in one chair - a beautiful black cat - and, I don't know, I thought, 'well I don't know - cats? Can't be dead with cats.'

She says, “Come on sonny, sit down.”

So I sat down in the other chair with no cat in it, you see.

So she said, “Would you like a drink?”

I thought, 'well, this is something like,' you know. Would I like a drink? I thought she was going to offer me a cup of tea or something.

So I said, “Yes, I would, if you...please,” you know.

So she said, “What would you like?”

So I thought, 'well, I must go cagey here, you know. I don't want to look as if I drink', you know. So I said, “Oh, I'd like a lemon please.”

She says, “Would you?” She says, “All right.”


So she goes out and comes back with a glass of lemon and I thought, 'well I don't know'.

So she says, “You know, you've nothing to worry about sonny. I've been waiting for you.”

So I says, “Waiting for me?”

So she says, “Yes.”

So, I didn't know what to say. I sort of sat there, and, uh, she says, “you know you're dead?”


So I says, “What?”

So she says, “You're dead.”

I says, “Come off it. I, um...I can't be dead sitting in a room here, with a cat over there and drinking a glass of lemonade. And you're solid and real enough. How can I be dead?” I said, “I admit it's all a bit strange.” I says, “At first I thought I was, sort of, having a dream or something.

So she says, “Well, it's no dream sonny,” she says. “You're dead.”

So I says, “Well, if you say I'm dead, how did I get here?”

So she says, “Oh that's all right,” she says. “I was thinking and praying for you, and I've been given charge of you.”

So I says, “What do you mean you've been given charge of me?”

So she says, “Well,” she says, “when your ship went down...”


And it suddenly came to me. When the ship went down. Last thing I remember, you know, was in the water holding on to a part of wood. I don't know what part of the ship it was.

Anyway, it was a part of wood I was clinging to, sort of thought it might hold me up, you know, but of course I realise it was hopeless now.

Anyway, she says, “You was drowned.”

So I says, “Oh.”

And she says, “There's hundreds and hundreds of lads,” she says, “have come over.”

So I says, “Oh.”

So she says, “Yes and everyone of those lads has got someone, somewhere to look after them. Some have got their own people; relations or friends. Some have got other souls and I'm one [who's] in charge of you.”

She says, “You didn't realise,” she says, “but you were directed. You thought you were walking on your own up the road.” she says. “But you wasn't.” She says, “You were being helped by inspiration from a soul whose job it is to help people when they come over suddenly, like you did.”

TERRY SMITH


Greene:

Terry, can you describe your reactions when you found yourself still alive? I mean, what happened to you...?


Smith:

I think that the first thing I remember was going up a street. It was a street I'd never seen before and, uh, as a matter of fact, I couldn't realise at first that it wasn't a real street. Although it was a real street, in a sense, but not the kind of street that, you know, that I'd been used to, but...


Oh it was all very attractive, you know. Lovely trees on either side of the road and lovely houses, ever such nice houses, you know. There were little bungalows dotted about here and there and there were bigger houses and, yeah it was ever so attractive.



And I just couldn't make this out at all, you know. I thought, well...I didn't recognise the place and yet it seemed as if it could have been somewhere, oh I don't know, perhaps in California or something, because it was like I'd seen pictures of, you know?


A wide, sort of, boulevard with trees and sloping lawns and pretty little village...houses and things, you know. It was like a sort of well made up village really, but I couldn't make head or tail of it.

But, uh, I'd found that, uh, there was nobody else about. It was just as if I was all there on me own, you know. I thought, 'this is odd', you know.



I didn't even realise fully I was dead, I suppose. I thought I was probably dreaming I suppose. I don't know, it was odd. But the road was not a bit familiar, yet there was something about it that, I don't know, gave me some sort of a peculiar inner confidence I suppose.



But anyway, I just walked along and there were all these very pretty houses and it seemed as dead as a dodo. Not a sound, you know. Nothing. Then I come further along I saw a very sweet lady, a very pretty woman she was. I thought anyway.

She couldn't have looked more than about twenty-eight / thirty, standing at a little gate. It was the first house that I'd seen with a gate, by the way. All the others seemed to have no entrances, no gates, you just walked up the little path to the front door, sort of thing.

But this one had got, sort of, um...it was on the end of a...ooh, after I'd walked quite a while...and there was this, sort of, fence round it and I thought, 'well, it seems a bit odd', you know, after all the other houses being free of fences and that.


Anyway, this little old lady...this little woman, you know, she was standing there - funny thing about her was she looked young and yet, I felt she was old. It sounds stupid I know, but there you are.

But, um, she was leaning over this gate and as I came to her she sort of smiled, you know. I thought, 'well, I don't know'. She seemed to be only when I...

I stopped and she said,“You looking for something, sonny?”

I thought, 'blimey'.

I said, “Yes. Well, sort of,” you know, “...I don't know quite what's happening or where I am.”

“Oh,” she says, “that's all right sonny, I've been waiting for you. Come in.”

So I thought, 'well, I've got nothing to lose,' you know, so I thought, 'I'll go in. So at least it's someone to talk to.'

And she took me into the front - well, I suppose you'd call it a parlour, you know...

CaptainJune:
You are dangerously flirting with eternal perdition. Jesus is not just another person: He is God. Are you wiser than your Creator?

Sorry, I still can't support human sacrifice, it's a remnant of paganism.

CaptainJune:
I hope you know that if our righteousness could save us from destruction then Christ died in vain. However, God had to come in the flesh so that He could shed His blood to cleanse us from all sins as it is the law of God that only blood (not your righteous acts) can cleanse from sin (Leviticus 17:11).

If you depend on your righteous acts to buy salvation you will find that you are spiritually and morally bankrupt.

Your righteousness is false. It is a tree without fruit that is only useful for cutting down. It leads to death. True righteousness is a tree of life. Only God possesses it, and He gives it freely to anyone who comes to Jesus, the only Way to the Father.

Christ did not die, he was murdered by the dogmatic people of his time. He was teaching the people to stop all their stupid blood sacrifices because their blood sacrifice cannot prevent them from experiencing the reciprocal effects of their evil action.

Captain, you want to continue to pile up debt and expect another person to pay for it abi? Didn't your bible tell you that what you sow is what you will reap??

Steep:
Guys, justlove is an agent of Satan,he is working with and for the devil.

So let's be clear, I'm an agent of Satan because I do not support human sacrifice but you that support human sacrifice is an agent of God.

Steep:
Jesus christ himself established the church and if you are not part of his church you have no part in his kingdom.
Matthew 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Jesus Christ was not just a human, he is in fact God not a human who became God but God who became human.

No evidence, you go explain tired.

If you are not washed and purchase with by Jesus you are going to hell, those demons have are leading you into hell.
Good works can't save you, God's requirement is perfection which you an imperfect creature cannot provide only in Jesus christ can you be saved.
You need to be delivered from those evil spirits and accept the Jesus christ the righteous one.

No thanks, I'm willing to work for my own righteousness, not live off of someone else's righteousness for eternity.

CaptainJune:
William INGE. This is a familiar spirit. If ever there was a William Inge he is either in heaven or hell.

See how this demon praises Christ as worth emulating, humble and loving but NOT as the Saviour of the world. Classic lying spirit.

True Christians know the voice of the Shepherd and they will never follow the voice of a stranger (demon and antichrist).

That's because he is not the saviour of the world, we're only "saved" by emulating is loving character and not him carrying our sins.

When man leaves your world, as so often he does, with strong fixed prejudiced views, his task is difficult. He has to unlearn, as I did, many things and has to become like the child, [with an] open mind, full of the desire for real truth, full of the desire to progress.

And oft-times [one is] very bitter, when you realise that for a lifetime on Earth you have given forth many teachings which have proved to be erroneous; untrue. When you realise that the fundamental faith which was true, has been distorted beyond all realisation.

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I am very conscious of all these things. Indeed, many are they with me who feel as I do, that if we could come back with our present knowledge, how differently we would think and act, and how differently we would speak.

The Church, if it is to survive, must rid itself of many of the old fallacies. It must band itself together in a strength based on truth, and it must not be afraid to stand, as Jesus stood, against the mob.

It must be prepared at all times, no matter what the cost, to speak truthfully and act accordingly, and not be afraid of the reaction from various quarters.

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When the Church gives forth Christ's teachings in its full intensity, then will it be rejuvenated, and then will it begin to climb upwards. When we see in your world the miseries, the uncertainties - when we see the possibilities that could be - such tremendous things that could come upon the Earth and its peoples through their ignorance - when we realise you are, in a sense, on the very brink of disaster again after two World Wars...


And yet the Church blesses the flags, blesses the guns, blesses the men in their uniforms - each nation accordingly. All this is contrary to Christ, the teachings of Christ and all that he stood for. The Prince of Peace.

How can you be a subject of the Prince of Peace if you advocate these things? I say to you that man himself, in his blindness, has separated himself from God, and yet God is reaching out through his ministering ones to your world, endeavouring still to help.

But those who minister in your world, their ministry, invariably and often, is at great fault.



I do not condemn, I do not blame. But I do say that they must look into their own hearts, and they must find again the Prince of Peace, and they must speak his words among his children, and they must stand firm together as one band, solid, in his service.

While they are separated, while they wrangle together among themselves as to who is right and who is wrong, or their conception is right, and this other one is wrong - while they think and act as they do, so will the Churches gradually become more and more empty.

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Here and there among [various] peoples there are good souls, kindly souls, sincere souls; endeavouring in their own fashion to do right. I know much good has come from the Church, but I think often of what greatness there could be and how much more could be achieved.


And I say to all those who may listen to my words - whether they believe or whether they not believe what I say, or believe even that it is I who speak to them - I say that you have within yourselves great opportunity to do God's will, to follow the teachings of the Master Christ; realising his humility, so must you also be, and if you give up many of the things which you know in your hearts are untrue, and seek him more and more and become like him, and be like the children, of whom he himself was so fond.

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If you can be like the child, with an open heart and an open mind, with no strong preconceived ideas, if you have the faith of a child and the trust, then you can be led and guided, and out of all this evil can come a great good, and the world can be saved from itself and you shall find the path of peace and progression.

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And we who come to you can link up with you again, and once again into your world could come, truly, the communion of the saints; once again can you take communion in the truest sense, and you can become one with us, and together we can overcome evil, and together we shall find that peace which the world cannot find.

But in our own time, with your help and our guidance, and the peace that passeth all understanding, this indeed shall be made possible: the realisation of God's will and purpose for his children, now and forever.

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My love and my blessing I give to all who listen to my voice. If I have said some things that seem hard, and if to some they seem impossible, and if to others they feel that that which I have said is at variance - I say to you, think on these things, turn them over in your minds, and in your hearts - seek for truth and realise that on your very doorstep, knocking, is Christ himself.

Let him come in and make him a welcome visitor, and let him become part of your lives, and you shall then indeed become truly one of the flock - one of those whose task it is to do his will among his children. Yours is a great responsibility. Remember, that if you are to do this work, to do it well you must become like unto a child.

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I only wish that I could do more than I can do. I have oft-times have wished that I could return to Earth and do my work again. So much would I do differently, and yet I know that, in my own fashion and in my own way, I did as I felt right. We are often, unfortunately, too late and yet, in a sense, it is not too late, for I am able to return, I am able to speak.



I say to you, concern yourselves not with names and personalities, but concern yourselves with the text and the message, and let it become a reality in your hearts, that it may change your world, and indeed make it a place worthy of God's children.



My love and blessing be upon you, now and always. Peace be with you. Farewell.

And so it is that I believe sincerely today, that if Christ were able to come back, if he were to come back in a material body, and do the same works as he did previously, the first people to condemn him would be the Church.

And he would be much better received outside of it than ever he would be in, because the people would flock to him - those whose minds were open and ready to receive. But those whose minds were closed and held back by creed and dogma, would be the first to refuse him.

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These things I am convinced about: that Christ himself was a man of great simplicity, a man of great piety, a man of great faith in the power of love, and had no consideration for the things of the Earth.

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How many Churchmen are there in your world today, who can, with truth, say that they fall in with this conception? How many are they who seek place and position? How many are they who are attracted by vestment, by service, by the positions which they may hold.

I say to you that Christ is found in the hearts of all men whose minds are open and sincere, and anxious to understand and to see. 'Give me the child', as Christ himself, gathering together the children around him, said ‘for of such is the Kingdom of Heaven!'

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What did he really mean by that, when all around also were the adults; grown men of stature, men of experience and worldly wisdom? What did he really mean?

He meant that it is the child-like attitude, the childlike approach, the simplicity and the faith of a child that makes revelation and spiritual unfoldment and development possible - not the prejudiced, not the person whose mind is already formed and made up, and convinced within himself that he is right and others are wrong. The child-like attitude is important. Indeed, I would go as far as to say it is vital.



Until man can strip himself of his preconceived ideas and shake from himself the old beliefs and the old legends, until he can realise that he is, within himself, able to tune in to the highest, if only he will make it possible by the way in which he lives; if only he would think right, he would then act right and in consequence become right.

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I say to you that man, if he wants to become an experienced person in the spiritual manner and sense, if he wants to become truly spiritualised, he must shed himself of all his material conceptions. God is. But no man has seen God. God is a force of power - a driving force that gives life to all things.

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In your world nothing is lost. That which seems like death is but a dream. Man goes from one place to another. His thoughts are still there and he himself is released from the material things which bind and confine him.

And yet your world should be a place of experience, essential experience and development, a preparedness, as it were, for the greater life yet to come.