Satan, the fallen angel does not exist.
Devils however exist, just not as depicted by religion.

Devils are of two types.

1. Thought forms: In the other side, thoughts tend to be objective, it collects astral matter round itself and become a temporary living entity. Evil thoughts are diabolical in their form and influence on other minds. These thought forms don't have any intelligence, their activities is prompted by the thoughts that brought them into existence. They've a sort of survival instinct and they tend to influence other minds that vibrates in their level to produce similar thought force which they "feed" on.

Thought forms of the same nature tend to attract each other and form powerful center, so there are anger centers jealous centers, hatred etc. When a human yields himself to these thoughts, he links his mind to the corresponding center, "feeding" it and the center also send reciprocal influence to him to produce more of the same thoughts.

We all know how evil thoughts like hatred escalates quickly to find expression in physical action if not checked.

The whole of earth's mental atmosphere is filled with these thoughts and centers roaming about looking for who to devour (feed on).

These thought forms and the resulting centers do not have any independent existence, humans are the ones feeding them, if everyone stopped producing thought forces they can feed on, they will quickly dry up due to lack of nourishment.

The above also applies to good thoughts also, kind, lovely or compassionate thoughts also produce corresponding thought forms that are beautiful in form and benevolent in their influence on people's mind. As it is now, these kinds of thought forms and their corresponding centers are few compared to their diabolical counterpart.

That's why we are urged to keep our thoughts clean so that we can strengthen the good thought centers and weaken the evil centers.

2. "Dead" evil humans: There is no death, what we call death is a transition to another dimension of reality. The process called death doesn't change people's personality which means a wicked person remains wicked after so called death. The evil man is attracted to other evil men and they roam about looking for minds to influence to become as they are.

This is why capital punishment is wrong, a serial killer for example is arrested and instead of the state to keep him confined so that he is not able hurt anyone again, the state sets him free by "killing" him.

Being free of the drag of his physical body, his sphere of influence is extended to the whole earth, he roams around with the speed of thought looking for minds to influence to carry out what he loves doing.

Behind any addiction are these human devils, who were also addicts in their earth life, influencing minds to indulge in their addiction so that they can at least have a taste of their addiction once more.

For example, a bar is filled with "dead" drunkards, the urge to drink goes on raging in them but they can't satisfy it having no physical body, so they hang around bars and other places where alcohol is indulge in, influencing their fellow drunkards or anybody that as it in him/her to drink so that through him they can somehow in a sick sort of way have a taste of their poison.

But having no physical body, they can only have a taste, a mere mockery of the former pleasure they enjoy. So, the urge never stops, they go on craving more and more and in the process further dragging down themselves and their preys and chained firmly to their addiction.

Unlike thought forms, these "devils" have independent existence, they're not feed to stay alive like thought forms are. If human minds are so advanced that they are unable to influence it, they will still exist but powerless.

Thought devil will always remain evil, it can't change it nature. They're like robot programmed to do a thing and will and can't deviate from it.

But human devils can change, they've will power, every single one of them have the power to change, to leave darkness behind and climb gradually towards to light.

MaxInDHouse:

And i confidently answered you that apart from the Bible God there is none elsewhere! Psalms 86:8
So allow the worshipers to speak because they themselves have been SILENCED before the one and only true God! Psalms 115:4-8

That means you and i have nothing to discuss as i am here to discuss with people about the one and only true God JEHOVAH.
"WHY I STOPPED GOING TO CHURCH OR BELIEVING IN GOD"

Above is the topic of discussion so there's no reason engaging me in the first place if you're not interested in GOD!

Fair enough

MaxInDHouse:

Below is what you yourself typed:

You only need to tell me the result of your INVESTIGATION because i was talking about GOD not just what you want to substitute for my God yet you don't worship it nor have anything doing for it!

My question about an investigation leading to another version of God is not really about me, just asking on behalf of someone out there, this was made apparent when I asked you the question again here

You still haven't answered my question though.
If someone else's investigation lead him to belief in another version of God, is his investigation invalid since it did not lead him to your version of God?

Hope that clears things up, I already told you the two things I'm interested in and God is not among.

MaxInDHouse:


The funny thing here is how you said you don't care one bit who Christians are their assignments or the result of their work.

I really don't, just as I don't also care who the real Muslims, Buddhists, Hindu etc are, their assignments or the result of their work.

OK but you want to call Buddha your Master or Lord.

Lord Buddha is not my Lord, God or Master, just someone that I love his teachings on the cause of human mental suffering.

Abeg what work did this Buddha gave you that you're doing so that you now refer to it as Lord or Master?

Work? Abeg o, Lord Buddha did not give anybody work to do for him, he just offered his teachings and anyone that his teachings resonate with can decide to leave by it.

I hope you're not thinking what I think you're thinking.

Do you think I worship him because I call him Lord??

MaxInDHouse:


Respect for who or what you know nothing about?

You guys often feel Christians are deluded as you continue to deceive yourselves with false reasoning.
Instead of finding out who are Christians?
What assignment were they given?
What should be the result of their work?

I don't care one bit who Christians are, their assignment or the result of their work.

Due to laziness you just conclude that any religion claiming Christian are Christians.

I don't care if you're a Christian, Muslim, Jehovah witness or any other religions, if you prioritize belief over character, then you're all the same to me.

So, sorry you're still down there with the rest of the folks.

Or am I wrong to conclude that Jehovah witnesses also prioritize belief over character?

Ọmọ when a Christian calls someone "LORD" it means the one referred to as Lord has authority over a multitude of witnesses who are doing the work he assigned to them not that you just wake up and start comparing dead deities to the living God whose witnesses are actively and zealously doing the work He gave them!

You're still confusing my use of the word Lord to mean God, my use of the word equates more to mean Master instead of God.
So, instead of saying Lord Buddha I may as well say Master Buddha but that doesn't sound cool as Lord Buddha

MaxInDHouse:


So have you sat in a court where Buddha is the judge or lawyer?

You're missing the point Bro, "Lord" here is used as a sign of respect, some wives (at least in the olden days) even address their husband as Lord.

StillDtruth:


Ekpoma's girls hostel dustbin is cleaner than this mad shit you say.

How so?

MaxInDHouse:


I asked you several times to mention just one God that you can manage to stand side by side with JEHOVAH the Bible God but you shied away because you know how intelligently i will prove to you that no God can stand beside Him but now you're mentioning Buddha here trying to play pranks.

Well continue dey play!

Lord Buddha is not a God nah, "Lord" here is used just as a sign of respect just as lawyers address the judge as Lord in the court.

StillDtruth:


Only a mad person is not angry when stupid people talk.

Lord Buddha will not get angry

The Holy Grail of emotional intelligence is realizing that nothing anyone say or do can make you angry, it is your brain's reaction to what was said or done that is creating the anger.

When someone said something and you feel angry, the word (sound wave) is out there and your brain detected it but the anger you feel is not something out there that your brain detects, it is 100% created by your brain due to its reaction to what was said.

Now, you can't always control what people do or say about you but you can always work on your brain's conditioning such that it reacts less and less angrily to things and maybe someday one can reach the high state of perfect equanimity where nothing anyone says or does disturbs ones peace, the ancient Greeks call this state ataraxia.

StillDtruth:


Did I not already say you are mad enough to think that one should have one type of emotion and not its opposing emotion eg one should have love and not hate? Or one should have happiness and not anger?

Guy, you are not reasonable.

Dude you're getting angry o go sign up for emotional intelligence course.

StillDtruth:


Still moving post and dodging the issue. Clearly you expect to have an unfeeling Robot for a Ruler, means you have no right to call Tinubu bad.

This shows you don't read to understand only to argue. Any intelligent person will realize that I'm only referring to negative emotions like anger, jealousy and co.

Men you are talking too Rubbish. We all know that we have to live and relate with a person to know them but here you are, believing in movies and you think you are not mad.

Again, an unintelligent response, do you have to live with a monk to realize that there is something called emotional intelligence?? That a person prone to anger can recondition his brain to produce less of this emotion using emotion regulation skills??

And Hiin don endure answer that na why i dey happy say Tinubu dey show una shege max. The next president go worse pass Tinubu. You na go cry holla, die!

Of course you will be happy at people's suffering nah, sane person dey worship a psychopath and sadist before??

MaxInDHouse:

The problem you have is assuming intelligent creatures can think and act in harmony with the same line of thought without spirit forces involved.
So we differ in that i believe that whenever people think alike and act in harmony with the belief there is a spirit force behind it. smiley

Let take the case of the cult guy again.
In his cult group, we find these attributes
1. Harmony.
2. Unity.
3. Trust.
4. A feeling of safety within the group.

Now, since his cult is a bad group, you said it's influenced by dark forces but how can dark forces creates those positive attributes?

According to the spirit teachings, one of the main reasons why light is powerful than darkness is because millions of light beings can come together willingly to achieve a purpose.

But in the dark planes no such unity exist, they may want the same thing but it is hard work to bring them together to work in harmony or unity to achieve their purpose.

In other words, these dark forces don't have those attributes I listed up there hence, they can't induce it in human because you can't give what you don't have.

MaxInDHouse:

It's about number but the spirit of oneness, in the post you first quoted i made it clear that they may be relatively few but the effect of their presence will be noticeable globally and to crown it all they will not be involved in the destructive activities claiming lives! Isaiah 2:4; Micah 4:3

You've not said anything yet about your own god o!

I only mentioned the cult guy's case to show you that unity can occur with any belief system(for good or bad), the only criterion is that the individuals in the group take the group's ideology serious and live by it.

You've not said anything yet about your own god o!

I don't believe in a God because

1. I can't wrap my head around the idea of an all powerful and all knowing being just existing without any gradual progression, he is just always as been perfect and complete. Don't you find it strange that his attributes are always at the extreme end? He is not only powerful he is all powerful, he doesn't just know some stuff he is all knowing. It seems to me that the probability of such a being just existing without any prior progression is extremely low.

But I believe in Gods, what are Gods?
We were made to know that there are numerous planes of existence in the other side ranging from the darkest to the highest brightest plane. I call those beings occupying the highest plane Gods (or the shining ones) because they're the highest beings in existence.
But these Gods has not always been like that, they all got to their high state through gradual progress over eons of time.

2. Ultimately ones belief or disbelief in God will not determine the plane one finds himself after his transition but ones character and how one lived his life here. (Sowing and reaping).

So I don't bother myself with God's existence, maybe there is a God maybe not, I don't know.

MaxInDHouse:


That's true because supernatural forces are involved but it can only work within a geographical location unlike when the Creator of all things is involved His own worshipers will do better than that because their own will be global! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

Instead of supernatural forces I will say psychological forces.

Now you're playing the number game my friend, if it can happen locally it can equally happen globally. Imagine if the guy's cult spread to all universities in the world, he will enjoy the same privilege but now globally.

MaxInDHouse:


The title GOD connotes SUPREME BEING so if any investigation can't unite people to live as brothers and sisters under the control of the same God then such investigation is worthless.

If your God can't help you relate with people from different geographical locations on this planet as your family in the spirit then your God is dead!

The true God is the Creator of all so He must be able to fish out people from all races even though they may be small in number but at least in every country i go to there must be people living there who are my brothers and sisters in the faith.

That's what a real God should do not just one that makes you deluded with false reasoning while you can't relate with people in other places!

The fact that a group of people can unite as one under the same belief system only shows that the individuals in the group take the ideology of the group seriously thereby creating a sort of brotherly atmosphere among them, it doesn't mean a supreme agent is involved.

For example, there was this cultist guy in my hostel back in Uni, he always takes pride in the fact that he can visit any university in Nigeria and he will not go hungry or without shelter even without knowing anyone, all he has to do is find his cult members in the Uni, identify himself (that is, convince them he is a member) and he is sure to get all the help and support he needs.

MaxInDHouse:


Good for you but here i'm discussing with ATHEISTS who doesn't believe in anything called after life that's why it's important to focus on what concerns them and myself as we are still here together among the LIVING!

You still haven't answered my question though.
If someone else's investigation lead him to belief in another version of God, is his investigation invalid since it did not lead him to your version of God?

MaxInDHouse:


Well i'm not interested in questions about afterlife because it's the dead that can think of what they are facing if there is anything on the other side but here i'm facing a situation that i need to know how i can cope and use my time wisely to get the best out of it.

So i don't care about what happens after death i leave that for the dead i am still alive in the midst of the living!

I already have enough ideas or material to cope with life, such as Buddhist profound realization of how the human tendencies to crave what we want/like and resist what we don't want/like create much of our emotional suffering, stoicism teachings of achieving the state of ataraxia (inner peace), different skills on emotional intelligence.

So, as you can see, I got this life that's why I'm more concerned about whether there is anything else after this, whether death is a full stop or the beginning of a new chapter.

MaxInDHouse:


Present any God that has given you answers to those questions first because the Bible God has answered all those questions!

I don't concern myself with those questions. I'm more concerned about these two questions.
1. Is there life after death?.
2. If yes, what is the conditions of life over there.

And Spiritism/Mediumship answered these questions to my satisfaction.

MaxInDHouse:


I really appreciate your honesty.

That's why i always quote that verse whenever i come in contact with anyone who claims he is an atheist because i'm 100% certain that most people don't really do a thorough investigation they just summed up after hearing some things from different sects claiming Christians and base their conclusion on what those people say.

The Bible God is the one and only true God but since you don't want to investigate further let me tell you how i come to that conclusion.

All humans were born atheists as in we don't know nor believe in any God at birth that's why the Bible said the child in his mother's womb is also a sinner {Psalms 51:5} so it's after we begin to grow up that each person starts to make his or her INVESTIGATIONS on:
• How did life begin?
• Why do innocent people suffer?
• Did God really care about us?
• If He does what is He doing to solve our problems?
• If everyone wants peace why wars everywhere?
• What is God's viewpoint of wars?

Whoever hasn't made INVESTIGATIONS on this topics is just deceiving himself!

Does the investigation always lead to the biblical God? I mean if my investigation lead me to another version of God is that "investigation" valid?

MaxInDHouse:


Are you still provoked because we are having a discussion?
Please try to be calm and liberal at least since you have your own mind and sure that what is written in that book has no hold on you so try to be cool.

OK what exactly do you think we can use as an evidence to prove the existence of an invisible force?

I hope you know the fact that you can prove the existence of invisible forces doesn't automatically prove the existence of your own version of God.

Moreover, if we don't introduce God before accepting physical forces why can't we accept these invisible forces without introducing God?

StillDtruth:


Now, you have moved post for you inferred that God should not feel lke we do, which is proven by the fact that you are eve mad or enough to think that one should have one type of emotion and not another eg one should have love and not hate? Or one should have happiness and not anger?

You mean when you get to your fairytale heaven in the sky, you all will still get angry, jealous, mad etc.

Men, you are mad!

The fact is your God is just a big human in the sky with zero emotional intelligence.

Secondly, see hollywood brainwashing at work. You have never lived with a budhist , hindu monk to know whether he is truly beyond human emotions and expressions, yet you accepted hollywood fabrications.

I don't have to live with a monk to know that the brain can be rewired or reprogrammed to produce less and less of these negative emotions, that's what emotionally intelligence is all about.

And thirdly, no man has been more patient and longsuffering and enduring as God has been. Even now is He enduring for if i.were God, you and all your yous would have been in hellfire rigbt now. But here He is still enduring your insalts.

He go endure tire, he never see anything no be him want creatures with freewill? He should be ready to endure with comes with that.

O Lord come and avenge Thyself!

You go cry tire, your God wouldn't hear because what doesn't exist cannot hear or do nothing

StillDtruth:


Which means you expect Him to be an unfeelinf robot because you humans are the only ones who have a right to feel emotions abi?

The issue is not that he feels emotions but the type of emotions he feels. Your God feels jealous, angry, regret etc those are low level emotions not benefitting of a God.

Most humans especially Buddhist and Hindu monks know these emotions are low level emotions and they make it their life work to eradicate these emotions and achieve a state a nirvana. But your God is still stuck with these negative emotions.

StillDtruth:


You just had to insult Him since you find you had nothing to.say, right? God punish you.

That's not an insult nah, if he has the same attributes as us (you agree he gets angry, he regrets, he gets jealous etc) that makes him just a very big human.

NeoWanZaeed:


Do you know how 9 year old look back then? You have no idea how people then look like..
Using what you know now to judge what happened then which you have absolutely no idea about is kinda low bawling bro.

Marriage is not just about physical development but also about mental and emotional development, is a nine year old girl mentally and emotionally developed enough to handle marriage? Or do girls that age also mentally and emotionally develop very fast then?

BEHEADING OF APOSTASY
Nothing is bad about it at all. For you to deny, blaspheme and criticise your creator.. the punishment is befitting.

It's just like a child denying and blaspheming parents that brought him or her up.

BEHEADING is for Muslim that renegade and non Muslims that blaspheme.


It's only Amir that can give verdict of killing of non Muslims and those who renegade and jihad.

@bolded
You mean a person that just leave Islam peacefully to practise another religion but doesn't blaspheme or criticize his creator shouldn't be beheaded?

And when you preach Islam to people do you remember to tell and emphasize the fact that they will be beheaded if they decide to leave?

What you itemized.. that's for Islam nation.

As for now..
1. Preach
2. Wether they accept or not. . Not your problem
3. Refute their blaspheme and errors.

Do Mohamed and his followers do those things I itemized during his time?

And do we have any Islamic nation now?

NeoWanZaeed:


1. Married at 9.
2. Death by beheading is the penalty for apostasy
3. You got it all wrong. An islamic nation is what you are saying applies to.

I appreciate your honesty with question one and two.

If Mohamed married a six year old Aisha and consummated the marriage when she was nine years old, can you now see why non Muslims call Mohammed a pedophile?

How do you reconcile beheading of apostasy with the verse that says there is no compulsion in religion?

What do you mean my third question only applies to Islamic nation? This is the rule Mohammed asked his sahab to follow when they go out to spread Islam to non Muslim communities.
1. Preach to them.
2. If they refuse, ask them to pay compulsory Jizya.
3. If they again refuse to pay Jizya, wage war against them.

StillDtruth:


Did He not make us to be like Him? So of course we have many similarities.

That explains alot like how he also get angry, jealous, revenge etc. In other words your God is just a glorified human being.

StillDtruth:


Ask these people to explain what they did or they shall do to their enemies when they catch them.

https://www.nairaland.com/8198667/sokoto-residents-storm-forests-confront#131741274

https://www.nairaland.com/7286862/dont-burn-me-alive-please#115806358

So God acts like humans abi?

StillDtruth:


What else is punishment and enemyship? Person go catch enemy and go still give am freedom again?

Meaning??

safarifarms:

I just responded to your co-traveller who just like you quoted what Job wrote about God out of ignorance. You don't understand the Bible (well, I shouldn't blame you because many who say they are Christians don't understand either). Your misunderstanding of the Bible and lack of knowledge of God that you assume you know is what informs your questions. Unfortunately, your question is not to seek knowledge and such would only best be responded to as Jesus did the Pharisees.

Why did Jesus rebuke his disciples when they wanted to call down fire to consume those that won't let them pass through their village citing the example of Elijah?

Did God harden the heart of Pharaoh or not?

NeoWanZaeed:


Another one spotted.

If any of you had made a correct statement about islam or prophet, could have answered you. But as usual, insults and slanders


Em insanes

Answer these questions then.

1. At what age did Mohammed married Aisha?
2. What is the penalty for apostasy in Islam?
3. When Mohammed send his followers to a new province or town, he firstly tell them to preach about Islam to the people, if the people did not accept Islam, they were asked to pay jizya (a sum of money ) for not accepting Islam, if the people refuse to pay jizya the sahabs must wage war against them.
Is this true or false?

chieveboy:


The actual being who does that service. Its their Assigned job.

I thought death was just the soul leaving the body as it usually does during sleep but this time just permanently.

Does this angel of death get involved in death of animals and insects also or just humans.

chieveboy:
Instantly, I transform into a warrior:
“Identify yourself! Who are you?”
There’s no answer from this mysterious woman.

The next thing she does is to pull at me; not by touch, but by the use of invisible psychic energy. Her mission is to drag me to the other world, where I’m not ready to go.
Telepathically, I say to her: “I only follow the Mahanta, the Living ECK Master. Who are you?”

At the mention of the Mahanta, she stops, as if frozen. I’m now certain this is the Angel of death. She has come to take me away. Using the form of a woman is deceptive, but very clever.

I’ve always known the Angel of death to appear in the form of an old monk or priest.

By Angel and Death, do you mean it as a figure of speech or you believe there is actually a being responsible for death.