MaxInDHouse:


The title GOD connotes SUPREME BEING so if any investigation can't unite people to live as brothers and sisters under the control of the same God then such investigation is worthless.

If your God can't help you relate with people from different geographical locations on this planet as your family in the spirit then your God is dead!

The true God is the Creator of all so He must be able to fish out people from all races even though they may be small in number but at least in every country i go to there must be people living there who are my brothers and sisters in the faith.

That's what a real God should do not just one that makes you deluded with false reasoning while you can't relate with people in other places!

The fact that a group of people can unite as one under the same belief system only shows that the individuals in the group take the ideology of the group seriously thereby creating a sort of brotherly atmosphere among them, it doesn't mean a supreme agent is involved.

For example, there was this cultist guy in my hostel back in Uni, he always takes pride in the fact that he can visit any university in Nigeria and he will not go hungry or without shelter even without knowing anyone, all he has to do is find his cult members in the Uni, identify himself (that is, convince them he is a member) and he is sure to get all the help and support he needs.

MaxInDHouse:


Good for you but here i'm discussing with ATHEISTS who doesn't believe in anything called after life that's why it's important to focus on what concerns them and myself as we are still here together among the LIVING!

You still haven't answered my question though.
If someone else's investigation lead him to belief in another version of God, is his investigation invalid since it did not lead him to your version of God?

MaxInDHouse:


Well i'm not interested in questions about afterlife because it's the dead that can think of what they are facing if there is anything on the other side but here i'm facing a situation that i need to know how i can cope and use my time wisely to get the best out of it.

So i don't care about what happens after death i leave that for the dead i am still alive in the midst of the living!

I already have enough ideas or material to cope with life, such as Buddhist profound realization of how the human tendencies to crave what we want/like and resist what we don't want/like create much of our emotional suffering, stoicism teachings of achieving the state of ataraxia (inner peace), different skills on emotional intelligence.

So, as you can see, I got this life that's why I'm more concerned about whether there is anything else after this, whether death is a full stop or the beginning of a new chapter.

MaxInDHouse:


Present any God that has given you answers to those questions first because the Bible God has answered all those questions!

I don't concern myself with those questions. I'm more concerned about these two questions.
1. Is there life after death?.
2. If yes, what is the conditions of life over there.

And Spiritism/Mediumship answered these questions to my satisfaction.

MaxInDHouse:


I really appreciate your honesty.

That's why i always quote that verse whenever i come in contact with anyone who claims he is an atheist because i'm 100% certain that most people don't really do a thorough investigation they just summed up after hearing some things from different sects claiming Christians and base their conclusion on what those people say.

The Bible God is the one and only true God but since you don't want to investigate further let me tell you how i come to that conclusion.

All humans were born atheists as in we don't know nor believe in any God at birth that's why the Bible said the child in his mother's womb is also a sinner {Psalms 51:5} so it's after we begin to grow up that each person starts to make his or her INVESTIGATIONS on:
• How did life begin?
• Why do innocent people suffer?
• Did God really care about us?
• If He does what is He doing to solve our problems?
• If everyone wants peace why wars everywhere?
• What is God's viewpoint of wars?

Whoever hasn't made INVESTIGATIONS on this topics is just deceiving himself!

Does the investigation always lead to the biblical God? I mean if my investigation lead me to another version of God is that "investigation" valid?

MaxInDHouse:


Are you still provoked because we are having a discussion?
Please try to be calm and liberal at least since you have your own mind and sure that what is written in that book has no hold on you so try to be cool.

OK what exactly do you think we can use as an evidence to prove the existence of an invisible force?

I hope you know the fact that you can prove the existence of invisible forces doesn't automatically prove the existence of your own version of God.

Moreover, if we don't introduce God before accepting physical forces why can't we accept these invisible forces without introducing God?

StillDtruth:


Now, you have moved post for you inferred that God should not feel lke we do, which is proven by the fact that you are eve mad or enough to think that one should have one type of emotion and not another eg one should have love and not hate? Or one should have happiness and not anger?

You mean when you get to your fairytale heaven in the sky, you all will still get angry, jealous, mad etc.

Men, you are mad!

The fact is your God is just a big human in the sky with zero emotional intelligence.

Secondly, see hollywood brainwashing at work. You have never lived with a budhist , hindu monk to know whether he is truly beyond human emotions and expressions, yet you accepted hollywood fabrications.

I don't have to live with a monk to know that the brain can be rewired or reprogrammed to produce less and less of these negative emotions, that's what emotionally intelligence is all about.

And thirdly, no man has been more patient and longsuffering and enduring as God has been. Even now is He enduring for if i.were God, you and all your yous would have been in hellfire rigbt now. But here He is still enduring your insalts.

He go endure tire, he never see anything no be him want creatures with freewill? He should be ready to endure with comes with that.

O Lord come and avenge Thyself!

You go cry tire, your God wouldn't hear because what doesn't exist cannot hear or do nothing

StillDtruth:


Which means you expect Him to be an unfeelinf robot because you humans are the only ones who have a right to feel emotions abi?

The issue is not that he feels emotions but the type of emotions he feels. Your God feels jealous, angry, regret etc those are low level emotions not benefitting of a God.

Most humans especially Buddhist and Hindu monks know these emotions are low level emotions and they make it their life work to eradicate these emotions and achieve a state a nirvana. But your God is still stuck with these negative emotions.

StillDtruth:


You just had to insult Him since you find you had nothing to.say, right? God punish you.

That's not an insult nah, if he has the same attributes as us (you agree he gets angry, he regrets, he gets jealous etc) that makes him just a very big human.

NeoWanZaeed:


Do you know how 9 year old look back then? You have no idea how people then look like..
Using what you know now to judge what happened then which you have absolutely no idea about is kinda low bawling bro.

Marriage is not just about physical development but also about mental and emotional development, is a nine year old girl mentally and emotionally developed enough to handle marriage? Or do girls that age also mentally and emotionally develop very fast then?

BEHEADING OF APOSTASY
Nothing is bad about it at all. For you to deny, blaspheme and criticise your creator.. the punishment is befitting.

It's just like a child denying and blaspheming parents that brought him or her up.

BEHEADING is for Muslim that renegade and non Muslims that blaspheme.


It's only Amir that can give verdict of killing of non Muslims and those who renegade and jihad.

@bolded
You mean a person that just leave Islam peacefully to practise another religion but doesn't blaspheme or criticize his creator shouldn't be beheaded?

And when you preach Islam to people do you remember to tell and emphasize the fact that they will be beheaded if they decide to leave?

What you itemized.. that's for Islam nation.

As for now..
1. Preach
2. Wether they accept or not. . Not your problem
3. Refute their blaspheme and errors.

Do Mohamed and his followers do those things I itemized during his time?

And do we have any Islamic nation now?

NeoWanZaeed:


1. Married at 9.
2. Death by beheading is the penalty for apostasy
3. You got it all wrong. An islamic nation is what you are saying applies to.

I appreciate your honesty with question one and two.

If Mohamed married a six year old Aisha and consummated the marriage when she was nine years old, can you now see why non Muslims call Mohammed a pedophile?

How do you reconcile beheading of apostasy with the verse that says there is no compulsion in religion?

What do you mean my third question only applies to Islamic nation? This is the rule Mohammed asked his sahab to follow when they go out to spread Islam to non Muslim communities.
1. Preach to them.
2. If they refuse, ask them to pay compulsory Jizya.
3. If they again refuse to pay Jizya, wage war against them.

StillDtruth:


Did He not make us to be like Him? So of course we have many similarities.

That explains alot like how he also get angry, jealous, revenge etc. In other words your God is just a glorified human being.

StillDtruth:


Ask these people to explain what they did or they shall do to their enemies when they catch them.

https://www.nairaland.com/8198667/sokoto-residents-storm-forests-confront#131741274

https://www.nairaland.com/7286862/dont-burn-me-alive-please#115806358

So God acts like humans abi?

StillDtruth:


What else is punishment and enemyship? Person go catch enemy and go still give am freedom again?

Meaning??

safarifarms:

I just responded to your co-traveller who just like you quoted what Job wrote about God out of ignorance. You don't understand the Bible (well, I shouldn't blame you because many who say they are Christians don't understand either). Your misunderstanding of the Bible and lack of knowledge of God that you assume you know is what informs your questions. Unfortunately, your question is not to seek knowledge and such would only best be responded to as Jesus did the Pharisees.

Why did Jesus rebuke his disciples when they wanted to call down fire to consume those that won't let them pass through their village citing the example of Elijah?

Did God harden the heart of Pharaoh or not?

NeoWanZaeed:


Another one spotted.

If any of you had made a correct statement about islam or prophet, could have answered you. But as usual, insults and slanders


Em insanes

Answer these questions then.

1. At what age did Mohammed married Aisha?
2. What is the penalty for apostasy in Islam?
3. When Mohammed send his followers to a new province or town, he firstly tell them to preach about Islam to the people, if the people did not accept Islam, they were asked to pay jizya (a sum of money ) for not accepting Islam, if the people refuse to pay jizya the sahabs must wage war against them.
Is this true or false?

chieveboy:


The actual being who does that service. Its their Assigned job.

I thought death was just the soul leaving the body as it usually does during sleep but this time just permanently.

Does this angel of death get involved in death of animals and insects also or just humans.

chieveboy:
Instantly, I transform into a warrior:
“Identify yourself! Who are you?”
There’s no answer from this mysterious woman.

The next thing she does is to pull at me; not by touch, but by the use of invisible psychic energy. Her mission is to drag me to the other world, where I’m not ready to go.
Telepathically, I say to her: “I only follow the Mahanta, the Living ECK Master. Who are you?”

At the mention of the Mahanta, she stops, as if frozen. I’m now certain this is the Angel of death. She has come to take me away. Using the form of a woman is deceptive, but very clever.

I’ve always known the Angel of death to appear in the form of an old monk or priest.

By Angel and Death, do you mean it as a figure of speech or you believe there is actually a being responsible for death.

chieveboy:


I might check that book out

Please do, would like to hear your thought on it. Here is a link to it

https://www.theosophy.world/sites/default/files/ebooks/Invisible%20Helpers.pdf

chieveboy:
In fact, a few weeks before, I’d left a note for my sister telling her who to contact in case she found that I’d left the body permanently. She was also a conscious student of the Mahanta.

Today, she had gone to the store to get some groceries. I was alone in the apartment half listening to the whispers of a voice that wasn’t pleasant to the ears.

I closed my eyes, and began to sing HU. After a while, the tightening feeling subsided. Was I having a heart attack so early in life? I was soon to find out. I went into quiet contemplation, and was soon out of the body.

Interesting, it reminds me of the book "Invisible Helpers" by CW Leadbeater

chieveboy:


If you created a game where the players are to supposed to learn vital lessons which you want them to learn, will you exclude the dislike or shoot button and leave only the hug and like button?


Moreover, even conditions you call bad where not created, the membrane of the created universe right from the mental plane to this does not support anything to exist without it's opposite.

The moment any "good" is created is when a bad is created. Actually in another culture or civilization, they do not go with the good/bad categorization, they see both as one and the same stuff with an inherent configuration. Like the exterior of an orange and the content inside.

I understand you but that doesn't sit well with me. I prefer this explanation:

Thought form is created when we think a thought.

Thought forms with the same vibration are grouped together to form a powerful thought center.

When a person thinks thoughts that corresponds with the thought center, a link is created between the thinker and thought center and the latter supplies thoughts of the same kind to the thinker.

Thoughts centers are manmade structures and get fed from the number of people that think that thought pattern.

If nobody thinks of thoughts that feed this center, it will eventually dry up due to lack of vitality.

Our scientist in time will develop goggles that enables us see them in the future.

Is this a prophesy or a guess?

Well, yes and no. They are Souls pulled from different places just like we have Souls on earth pulled from different places like planets, galaxies and dimensions who now come as humans.

OK, but I personally don't believe in reincarnation.
The idea of punishing a person for the crimes he can't even remember is cruel. How will that person learn from his mistakes or even find the punishment justified.

Here is one Eckankar radio program on Rock fm 92.3 today by 7:30pm-8:00pm

Thanks

chieveboy:

Yes.

If God is love how can he be the creator of hateful, murderous and other negative thoughts.

Yes. I am saying Abuja for instance dovetails into another city and exists in same physical location. One is vibrating higher, making it possible for the two cities to seemingly exist in the same place.

Are the inhabitants of this city aware of us?
Are they once human that lived on earth or they're another order of beings?

TV PROGRAM

Theme:
How to Find God

Tv station :
1.DSTV Channel 258

Saturdays 8:30pm to 9pm Nigerian Time.
I will share that of the radio programs when I get one please. Thanks

Thanks, but I'm more interested in the radio programs.

chieveboy:


Yes, we are able to think it because it exists.

How did those thoughts exist in the first place, did God created them? Including the negative thoughts?

I tried to explain how in my recent response to Michael. Right now, we are all swimming in another city, place and Space. This is not even the Astral dimension o, not to talk of the Mental.

Are you refering to what is called the earth plane?

Mentions radio stations and time I can tune in listen to eckankar programmes.

chieveboy:


What you saw is real as far as reality in the lower world is concerned where Thought Substance is the building block of everything. What perhaps you need to do next is sing HU whenever you meet anyone in the inner plane. They remain if they are of pure intentions.

What do you mean @bolded, my friend that appeared behind the closed door is just there simply because I expect him to, there is no question of him having pure or impure intentions.

What do you think will happen if I sing HU in one of my lucid dreams? And do I have to belief in it before it can be effective for me?

We must not forget the law of imagination or thought, which is that no one can ever imagine or think of anything that does not exist.

Do you mean that the reason we are able to think or imagine a thing is because that thing already exist or thinking or imagining a thing cause it to exist in the lower world?

Michael547:

We are talking about evidences here that are attached to a claim not method of solving problems. If there are two scientifically contradictory evidence that are brought out as facts to a particular claim, one must be a lie.

You've assured me here that science does not lie based on evidence. But you also have clearly convinced me that there are contradictions in the evidence of science which has made you not to accept some of their claim as facts. Does that not show that there are lies in those so-called evidences?

You must remember that evidence is there to support a claim or a conclusion and it is possible for the evidence to be right and the conclusion to be wrong.

Example, if the fingerprint of Mr. A is found on a murder weapon, we can conclude/claim that Mr. A is the murderer. If along the line we found a cctv footage of Mr. B committing the said murder, then our conclusion about Mr A was wrong even though our evidence of his fingerprint was right. That's, the evidence of his fingerprint was not a lie (it is actually there on the murder weapon) but our conclusion was wrong.

Aemmyjah:


You don't even give him any place to hide or breathing space

Iru iro niborun

Michael547:

All this one you are saying is that the so-called evidence of science could be a lie....where there are two contradictory evidences, one is a lie. So even your science lies. Na wa oo😂.

Some things are not black and white as you think. For example, if a scientist wants to calculate or solve a problem that involves large objects (macro level) Newtonian physics will do. But this can't work for quantum entities like particles and electrons, he will then have to use quantum physics.
The fact that he can't use Newtonian physics to solve quantum problem doesn't mean Newtonian physics is a lie.

Michael547:

😂😂😂....na wa oo...what kind of evidence is this that you claim that science has? Evidence that gets one confused. Na wa oo.....are these evidences really the truth? Even you don't know which one to follow😂.

You're confused because you're looking for certainty. Science is not concern with certainty, its own is to provide an explanation for a phenomenon and then give evidence to support its claim. It will continue to hold on to that explanation supported by evidence until another evidence surfaces to dispute it.

Example, science initially view gravity as a force of attraction that objects with mass has to draw thing to itself and they have evidence to support that conclusion.

Then Einstein comes along and said no, gravity is not a force but a phenomenon that arises due to curvature in space time fabric and he was able to provide sufficient evidence to support this explanation.
In science, there is always room for improvement.

What do you mean by "I don't know which one to follow"? Nah religion?

chieveboy:


Yes it is. The Lucidity is what differentiates Dreaming from Soul Travel.
One misconception is that feeling of getting out of the body is compulsory. It is not.

The advanced stage of Soul Travel does not involve getting out of the body or that feeling. With eyes wide open, you 'collapse sight' (as a matter of saying) to See and Know instantly. Chances are everyone had had this experience before.

I'm a lucid dreamer and one thing I have learnt in my practice is how expectation shapes the content of the dream. For example, if I expect a friend I wish to see to be behind a closed door, he will be there, but I know that "friend" is just a projection from me, a thought form.

Now, instead of a friend let's assume I intend to encounter an Eck Master upon opening the door, he will also be there.

The question now is, is that a real Eck Master or a thought form created by my expectation.

Michael547:

😂😂😂.....you just claimed that science supports its claims by evidence and you are saying that you don't know if their conclusions is right?
Na wa oo....after all the evidence they've shown you😂😂?

Even scientists say the big bang theory is the best explanation they have for now for the origin of the universe, even though they have evidence to support it.

Also both Newtonian physics and quantum physics have very different notion of what reality is and yet both have evidence to support its claims.

Michael547:

Lol....does that mean that you don't agree on and accept what science says on the Matter?

I believe what science says on the matter but I don't know for a fact that their conclusion is right. Some scientists believe we live in a simulation of some sort.

Do you think it's possible to believe something to be true and yet not know for a fact that it's the truth??

Michael547:

Oh wonderful I thought you said you did not know.

I still don't know, you asked what science says about the subject and I told you.

Since science do not know why we are on earth, does that also mean you don't know why you are here?

I assume you know why we are here then, care to share??