obiekunie01: Everybody already know its fake except you.
ok let me open your eyes a little. The first so called successful 'moon landing' was in 1969. NASSA claimed to have landed American astronauts Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin on moon surface using the lunar module 'Eagle', with Armstrong becoming the 'first person to walk on the moon'.
there was no sophisticated technology - no modern computers that can do the mathematical computations required for space travel in seconds - and yet with their analogue computers, they where able to land man on the moon as far back as 1969!
NOW TODAY, WITH OUR MODERN SOPHISITICATED HIGH-SPEED COMPUTERS, WE COULDNT REPEAT WHAT WAS ACHIEVED WITH ANALOGUE COMPUTERS. OK, TAKE THE OLD TECHNOLOGY AND USE IT TO REPEAT THE MOON LANDING! GUESS WHAT THEY SAID? THEY SAID THEY LOST THE TECHNOLOGY!
How cn you lost such an important technology within a span of not more than 70 years!
Electricity was harnessed more than 150 years ago and we still have the technology!
Airplane was invented more than 150 years ago and we still have the technology!
how did thy even pass thru the the Van Allen radiation belts with their thin sheets of aluminum??
The Van Allen radiation belts that can melt solid metals, very thick aluminum, even lead in milliseconds - so how did NASSA's Luna module that is made of very thin aluminum shield passed thru the Van Allen belt?? very funny people.
WELL THEY SAID THEY LOST THE TECHNOLOGY THEY USED - NOW ITS CLOSE TO 80 YEARS AND WITH OUR MODERN TECH, WE STILL COULDNT REPEAT THE JOURNET TO THE MOON!
Oh lest i forget! Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin are listed on the Hollywood walk of fame! I guess you know what that means ko?
The evidence for the Apollo missions extends far beyond NASA's claims.
1. Hundreds of thousands of engineers, technicians, contractors, and scientists worked on the program.
2. Independent observatories tracked the missions.
3. The Soviet Union, America's chief rival during the Cold War, monitored Apollo missions and never exposed them as a hoax.
3. Lunar rocks brought back by Apollo missions have been studied by scientists worldwide.
4. Modern spacecraft have photographed Apollo landing sites and hardware left on the lunar surface.
obiekunie01: As Matthew 24:23-24 warns, false messiahs will arise showing great signs and wonders so convincing that, if possible, they would deceive even the faithful elect.
them dey water una mind to accept the great deception. just like they did when they claimed they went to moon - Hollywood made moon.
This man claims to channel an alien called Bashar since forty years ago. Last year, the channeled alien said the public is ready to know the truth about alien and the government will soon confirm this.
He also predicted that open contact with alien races will happen 2026-2027 in which there will the physical evidence of their existence for everybody to see.
2026 is said to be the age of disclosure of their existence while 2027 is when actual contact with alien will be visible to all.
This prediction seems to be coming through as more hearings are happening around UFO, it is interesting that few weeks back the US government released some UFO files that have been kept secret to the public and promised to release more.
A movie titled DISCLOSURE DAY will also be released this june by a film producer know to specialise in alien research.
Is this a hoax or we are about to realise we are not alone in the universe?
Sirchiboy: When people die. Where do they go. I want to know.
One of the sure way to know that is to receive information from people that have already passed over to the other side. And this is possible through the phenomenal of mediumship.
If you're not satisfied with the nonsense notion of heaven and hell as portrayed by religions try studying spiritualists books.
DeepSight: Well, we will first have to determine what exactly we mean by life. Because if we go the way you are going, we can already begin to say machines such as computers and phones are a life form. I think we have to be more circumspect.
Define first what constitutes life.
Let me go first by rendering my own definition. I will not go with Mr. Niger D (Movement, Respiration, Irritability, Growth, Excretion, Reproduction, Death) - because this is already the biological definition in terms of the characteristics of living things. So lets just leave it in the background, as you have specifically talked about the possibility of non biological life.
So I would say that a living thing is something that is self conscious, self aware and / or possesses feeling. By feeling, I do not mean emotion, I mean something closer to the "irritability" in Mr. Niger D. That is to say, the thing must be capable of feeling impressions made on it. That is akin to consciousness and awareness as well, but more subtle - as a living thing, it must feel. This must be distinguished from an automated capacity to respond to external stimuli - in the way that a fire alarm can, for example. It rather means a capacity to actually feel impressions in a subjective way.
To this extent I dont believe that machines can be alive.
Let me add something else. I mentioned the spark of life. As you know, we diverge here in our views for I believe in an intangible non material spark of life - whereas you do not. For me, that intangible spark of life is key to what a living thing is.
Mark you, intangibility simply means non physical, it does not mean non-existing.
Have you read the short story 'the last question's by Isaac Asimov? If no, please do. If yes, do you think the cosmic AC is self aware and alive?
Secondly, since you admit that they did these things when they were young, it means that their records show that they have hurt and caused someone to wounded and therefore they are guilty.
And even today they have lied and desired to have someone's beautiful wife and wished bad for somebody eg a politician or governor.
I didn't admit they did those things. They can't desire other's wives because they're both voluntary celibates.
Meanwhile, you forget that you are and will be still guilty for the sins you are have done and another person's innocence, does not change your guilt, exactly as your own guilt does not make an innocent person guilty.
But Jesus innocence can safe you from your nasty sins abi
So you are just deceiving yourself for you are still going to the same place bandits and kidnappers are going to.
Dtruthspeaker: When they were born did they not set leg for their friend to fall? Or did they not angrily push their friend to fall and wound be because the person did better than them? Or did they not plot to steal their friends' girlfriend? Or did they not lie against somebody? Or did they not desire somebody's wife or even fornicated and visited their own Allen avenues?
Lol...and how did you know for sure they did all those? Even if they did, that was when they were young, now they've grown pass that, you shock they can grow pass that without the help me of your Jesus
Dtruthspeaker: C'mon, don't deceive yourself. We all know that every man born into this world becomes wicked and evil and loves to sin and give pain and suffering.
In fact people call you a ef and hate you when you are not wounding and causing others to cry
So, it is not possible that an unbeliever will not cause pain, and in fact that is the difference between a believer and an unbeliever
Will you say Mahtma Gandhi and Dalai Lama are wicked and evil and love to sin and give pain and suffering to others?
Dtruthspeaker: You are correct on the heaven part for heaven is already with us because earth and heaven work together. And the Bible tells us that this heaven and earth will be extinguished and new ones would be brought to replace them.
So it is the new heaven and earth that the qualified like Job, Daniel, Noah, Paul, the disciples and all of us who walk in the way of God shall get
However, since those who know that they deserve to be punished now started deceiving themselves so that they could sleep at night, God then decided to expressly stated what was already in all our hearts which is that they must all be superbly and justly punished for all their wickedness.
And that is not just is enough that they died? No!
They are to suffer each jolt and pain and suffering they have given others.
Which is why God came in Mathew and started declaring what we already have in our minds that there is a place of punishment for the very bad and the very very bad
What if the unbelievers didn't give pain and suffering to other, he/she just didn't belief?
Maximus692: You were never humble because if you are you wouldn't leave Islam for nothing.
For you to have left Islam for no other gathering of worshipers means you were never humble, humble people always love to be in the midst of fellow adherents of the same rules it's rebels that doesn't want such rather they want to set their own standards and force people to bow that's why we have many rebel groups in the world today!
Why do you assume I left Islam for nothing? Lol
And why do you need to worship anything? What good will that do to the society? It's more profitable to you and the society to aspire to progressively become better human beings.
MaxInDHouse: You need to understand that when you see anyone who humbly submits to the tenet of his or her religion please call our attention because those are the ones we are searching for. Don't worry about what will happens later because we are certain that after spending some time with us they will surely switch over to our side!
It's not that simple my brother, I once humbly submitted to the tenets of Islam. Does that guarantee if I spend enough time with JW I will become one?
MaxInDHouse: And at some time such judgment or sentence has been overturned. True or false? The one whose decision can't be changed by anything is God!
There are many documented cases of judges pronouncing a death sentence and having it go through but there as never been a single documented case when God made such proclamation. Even if someone is at the edge of death and doctors resuscitated him, you will still claim it's because it's not yet his time forgetting that if he hadn't received any medical treatment he wound have dead. Any claim that can neither be proven nor disproved is not worthy of discussion.
MaxInDHouse: Can you bow to anyone who can't determine the time or how you will die?
You sounds funny with your description of God because according to you everyone is a God since we can all create one thing or another but one who can determine the time and how we die is God whose decision can't be changed!
Many judges have sentenced criminals to death, to be carried out at an exact time with exact mode of execution (hanging, electrocution, fishing squad etc), will you say they're God?
MaxInDHouse: When we talk about humility it's about submission to a tenet that binds people as one under the same umbrella so one who is not humble only become known when he or she is no longer under the parent that raised them as long as they're still under their parents or guardian nobody can determine the type of person they are for real.
So when we see an independent adult yet humbly submissive to the tenet of any organized group without personal gain just help us tell such a person that he or she belongs to our organization.
As for children born in our midst they are on their own once they become independent so when we notice any of them who continues to be humble then we know such a person is one of us whether his parents are witnesses or not!
People of other religions also submit to the Tenet of their religion that means they're humble but you said only people of your organisation are humble, I don't understand
MaxInDHouse: Are you trying to become insincere with the highlighted?
Please check the dictionary meaning of GOD!
I guess that's my view. A being doesn't have to be supreme before he can create. Infact he can be the creator of the universe and still not be all powerful and all knowing.
MaxInDHouse: You got it wrong again! Ask ex-jws whether they got converted or born by JW parents, all ex-jws were raised by JW parents so none of them went through complete due process like people who has tasted falsehood before coming to know the truth!
You can't be sure of that.
Even if that's the case, why don't you realise they're not humble through your interactions with them? It is only when they leave you suddenly realise they're not humble.
MaxInDHouse: Think about the title "GOD" it connotes BEING SUPREME so how do you expect the one who is supreme to prove His supremacy when there is no orderliness in His domain? God didn't create us for nothing rather He wants us to enjoy life to the fullest that's what brings Him praise and glory not when life is purposeless!😟
The title GOD just means creator, he can be the creator and not supreme. If we eventually create AI that are sentient, they will see us as their creator (God) but we're not supreme.
MaxInDHouse: Ex-jws are people with crooked minds so they can't cope with the needed changes to continue being among God's people that's why they left.
But you said humility is what you look for in people before they join JW, that means those ExJw do not have the humility you thought they had, you were mistaken, if you can make mistake on this crucial matter what says you can't in other matters.
DeepSight: 1. Possible. May also be that the self awareness is through us. Not just humans, all living things.
2. Same as 1 above.
3. With all potentialities and possibilities including darkness, evil, hatred etc.
4. Completely neutral.
Cc LordReed
Interesting. 1. Is creation an intentional act or does it exist just as a result of the existence of this force . 2. Does existence has inherent meaning or purpose? (Question 1 in another form). 3. If the force is morally neutral, does that mean divine justice is a myth?
It's not faith in God that causes people to fight rather it's politics. Let me enlighten you a bit. If you believe in Ṣàngó (the god of thunder) and i believe in Ògún (the god of iron) the only reason for us to fight is when we want to control territories not because of the gods we believe so some gullible people will carry weapons in your support while another set of gullible people will do the same for me.
The true God doesn't take pleasure in worshipers fighting and killing for His worship rather we are to use our values to prove that we have something better than worshipers of all other gods!
Does the creator (God) has to be moral or care about whether we kill each other or not?? Is it possible for God to just create and leave (or step aside) just like the Deist God.
MaxInDHouse: Let's take the prophecy word by word and see how it was fulfilled! God promised that in the last days pure worship will attract people from all races! Isaiah 2:2; Micah 4:1 Next He said they will be calling one another to focus on what is found written in His words: this means studying this book with one line of thought! Isaiah 2:3; Micah 4:2 Next God revealed what they will begin to do after getting the accurate knowledge of what is written in the book: They will resolve all their disparities peacefully among themselves, divert their resources into production of food and information materials, stop producing, buying, selling and using of weapons and finally they will vow never to raise weapons against anyone! Isaiah 2:4; Micah 4:3 The fulfillment began when Jesus of Nazareth started calling his own people (Jews) in the first century to teach them how they can carry this message throughout the earth {Matthew 28:19-20; Act 1:8} his own people turned against the idea because it sounds absurd to them as they don't feel he was doing the right thing so he told his disciples to take the message to people of the nations who are willing to become friends of peace {Luke 10:6} after some time those that know Jesus died and politicians started claiming they are his disciples but forcing their rule on people something Jesus never taught his own disciples! Matthew 10:16 So the message was sealed for almost 2000 years and just as the book said our time is when freedom of speech expression and worship was declared by the world power (America) this allows for Jesus' peaceful disciples to form what the book foretold and they started taking the message to all the nations of the world. Today people know Jehovah's Witnesses as the most peaceful religion but they don't know what is happening for real!
Regarding the highlighted God promised only the righteous will understand His words {Daniel 12:10} and how are we going to IDENTIFY the group that has the accurate knowledge of the book? Jesus explained that it's by the activities of the people each religion is teaching that will help you to know because there is a goal for which Christianity was commissioned so it's only the religion meeting up this goal that has the understanding of what is written in that book! Matthew 7:16-18
Of course there are tens of thousands of different religions claiming Christians with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines but how many are fulfilling what God promised in that prophecy?
I wasn't born a JW but after finding out the purpose for which Christianity was commissioned i believe that truly God exist had it not been Jehovah's Witnesses Organization nobody can convince me that there is any God!😟
Sorry, I still hold that what happens is that the organization read the prophecies in the book and made it its mission to fulfil it, the reason others don't achieve your level of "success" is because they did not make it their mission.
You want me to believe there is a kind of divine glue holding you all together but I know there are many ex JWs whose beliefs in time deviated from you all and left just as people leave other religions, so there is nothing special.
As a teenager, I veered towards becoming a Jehovah's Witness. I was introduced to their literature by my late father. He wasnt one, but liked the literature. There is literally none of the major literature I have not read and digested, from "Mankind's Search for God" (my favorite) to "Reasoning from the Scriptures," . . . "You can Live forever in paradise on Earth." . . . "Questions Young People Ask (and how to answer them)" . . . .Too many to mention along with the regular "Awake!" and "The Watchtower" magazines.
I was at a point completely convinced of the intergrity and scriptural accuracy of the Jehovah's witnesses. Aside from the dedication to scripture and repudiation of a lot of false and pagan doctrines (Trinity, Hell Fire as well as pagan celebrations such as Easter and Christmas) they had a genuinely humble, simple and endearing style and approach. They were always welcome for Bible Study in our homes and I had already begun looking at which Kingdom Halls I would prefer to worship with.
The things that began to make me drift away were actually simple enough. Such as the blood transfuson issue. Up till today, from a scriptural (and I dare say even spiritual angle) I believe that the JW approach is coherent - as they often said, if the doctor asks you not to drink alcohol, you should not then take it intravenously. So since scipture says dont eat blood, then you should not take it intravenously either. On the spiritual side, the Bible itself says "the life is in the blood" and I also imagine that mixing blood could mix certain magnetic and spiritual vibrations personal to individuals.
Nonetheless I wondered at a point what sort of rigidity could lead the JW to prefer the death of even their children to a blood transfusion. Frankly this was my first hesitation.
Others came with time and were not limited to the views of JWs but rather to my growing questioning of the nature of reality, God and life. I became generally irreligious and began to see God as an impersonal existential force. In later life, the practice of shunning is something I came to understand and detest with JWs. I still find it very cult-like and unchristian.
So there you are. Over to you.
I also belief this. I would like to ask you a few questions. Do you belief this force is : 1. Self aware 2. Thinking (intelligent) 3. With emotional attributes such as love, kindness, compassion. 4. Moral or amoral
MaxInDHouse: Money has artificial value that's why the people that believe in it keep on fighting and killing themselves just to safeguard that artificial value given it. When something is of real value everyone no matter where you live or your class or status will get the benefits. So faith in God can't be compared to money that's given artificial value among it's users because if it truly has real value then they don't have to start fighting and killing themselves over it!
Lol.... Faith in God also causes people to fight themselves nah.
The fact that people fight because of a belief doesn't make it untrue and the fact that people do not fight because of a belief doesn't make it true.
MaxInDHouse: Did scientists create any of the things you mentioned? NO, they can only explain how they works with the knowledge they had about these things. The same applies to the knowledge of God's presence we believe because we are seeing the result of His presence in our midst as explained by those given the knowledge.
How could we be sure that the result you see is not due to something else entirely? To say it is God is just a claim. If someone predicted an event 100% accurately and claims it is God that told him , how do we know for sure that is exactly what happened? The event (prediction) is real (no doubt) but is the explanation (claim) also real??
NO! Billions across the globe have access to the same book but God is not with them that's why they can't make use of the book to achieve what He promised obedient humans!
Truely billions across the globe have access to the same book but do they have the same interpretation of the same book? You (JW) and every other denominations have different interpretation of the same book thus, different belief systems from others. And it is through this your belief system that you were able to self fulfil the promises.
MaxInDHouse: Please Mr DeepSight i wish we discuss more on profitable knowledge that comes with real benefits not just carrying informations for the sake of it but to find practical application for what we think we know and helping others to make the best use of it for one and all!
If there is nothing more tonight i wish you a good night sleep.
See you some other time!
Do you realise that something can have real benefits and use and still not real?? Take money as an example, it has real benefits and use to individuals and economy but money in itself doesn't have any inherent value or reality. The value it has is a collective agreement among humans to conform that value to it. A belief system can have benefits and use but the question is is it true? So, a belief can be untrue and have benefit and a belief can also be true and have no benefit or use.
Science/Technology › Re: The Aliens Are Coming: Open Contact by justlove91(op): 11:32am On Jun 04
