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chukwudi44: Biblically, Mary was a dirty, rotten, vile, sinner

I never beleived someone who called himself a christian would say this.even a muslim would not dare describe the virgin mary in such a manner

chukwudi44: Ol boy did moses rise from the dead or not? Is he still in the grave?all this talk about saints lying in the grave and awaiting the arch angels call is balderdash.Even if you choose not to believe the vision of judas macabees you should @ least believe the gospels.The saints in heaven can and are interceding for us.The catholic church have hundreds of thousands of postumous miraculous intervention by its saints.

chukwudi44: You have already proven you do not believe some parts of the scripture.So which moral authourity do you have over the homer

chukwudi44: if you choose not to believe the vision of judas macabees you should @ least believe the gospels.The saints in heaven can and are interceding for us.The catholic church have hundreds of thousands of postumous miraculous intervention by its saints.

chukwudi44: Maybe you don't know but the septuagint which was translated in 272 BCE by the 77 jewish scholars and which formed the greek OT was used by the apostles themselves.More than 70 percent of the old testament quotations in the new testament were sourced from the septuagint.So if even the apostles used the septuagint and regarded it as scripture who are you then to say it was not inspired.

chukwudi44: Maccabees is not part of the Biblical canon. The reason is obvious. The writer himself acknowledges that what he wrote was not inspired by God. He did not know if it was

Ol boy who gave you the power to decide if a scripture is canon or not.FYI the book of macabees was canonised alongside other scriptures @ the synod of hippo and councils of carthage way back in the fourth century.

If I were to use this your analogy I might also conclude that the writings of st Paul are not scriptures since there are not prophetic messages but mere instructions written to differant church congregations

thehomer: 2 Chronicle 18:18 - 20 talks about God and the lying spirit. Use that as a reference in the Holy Scripture.

I know what is written in the Bible.

frosbel: Besides I do not believe in the vision of judas macabees or any catholic for that matter, I believe only in the vision of John the revelator regarding the prophecy of end times, judgement , salvation and punishment. Even demons can give people false visions.

frosbel: No saint is praying for you now, it is a Hoax - do not be deceived.

Jesus Christ is our intercessor, but what you are saying is that his prayers are inadequate so he needs additional prayer support from the saints, Mary etc. - what arrant nonsense and a Satanic gimmick.

We have one saviour, one mediator and one Intercessor who is also the Head of the Church not the false Pope.

italo: Do the "Catholics" you know really tell you that 'Mary is a saint because she's Jesus' mother' or are you deliberately lying to win the arguement?

italo: She co-operated with God's grace and will.

italo: Does that mean that we should know nothing else? No Holy Spirit, no Bible, no pastor, nothing! Just Jesus?

Think!

italo: So you are saying that you and Joagbaje are on the same level as the mother of God abi? May God help you

frosbel: Mary is NOT and I repeat NOT , I repeat again NOT , the MOTHER OF GOD. GOD has no MOTHER. Stop repeating these blasphemies , please.

thehomer: But he could always send out a lying spirit. How do you know he hasn't done so in this case?

thehomer: No there isn't. The existence of this Heaven too is in question.

Joagbaje: She be ame a saint because she believed in Jesus. She is not more of asaint than any spirit filled christian,

frosbel: I like your humble response.

Firstly the thief did not go paradise that day or even now.

The exact quotation should be "Truly I tell you today , you will be with me in paradise.

Remember the original texts had no comma , the interpreter placed the comma in the wrong place.

Even if you say Jesus went to paradise that same day that will also be incorrect , because he had not ascended to his father.

Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet returned to the Father. [/b]Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am returning to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'" -[b] John 20:17

All this story about Jesus descending into Hell is a red herring, he descended into the grave wrongly translated as Hell in the so called best bible KJV . Albiet the grave could not hold him for he had the power to lay down his life and pick it up again.

"No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father." - John 10:18

John 2:19 Jesus answered them, "Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days."


Jesus is the firstborn from the dead, no one has ascended to the father but Christ.

"And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy." - Colossians 1:18

Acts 26:23 that the Christ would suffer and, as the first to rise from the dead, would proclaim light to his own people and to the Gentiles."

"No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven--the Son of Man " - John 3:13

Now the core question , is Mary in heaven ?

I do not believe so , because the resurrection has not taken place YET ! She died a righteous woman and will be raised incorruptible into the kingdom of her God and saviour Christ Jesus.

By the way the catholic doctrine of the ASCENSION is a hoax , don't mind those people.


John 5:28 "Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice , and come out--those who have done good will rise to live, and those who have done evil will rise to be condemned."

Some people say that those who are in the grave are also somewhere else in the form of a soul which is incorrect. When we die our spirits or the God given breath that produces life returns to God not some remote place in the underworld.

The dead are dead waiting for the resurrection.

Joagbaje: heaven is only a temporary abode ,just for 7years. Our permanent abode is earth.

venorite: Chei,am so in love,if only she understands how its doing me

chukwudi44: I actually meant macabees 15:12-16

12 He told them that he had seen a vision of Onias, the former High Priest, that great and wonderful man of humble and gentle disposition, who was an outstanding orator and who had been taught from childhood how to live a virtuous life. With outstretched arms Onias was praying for the entire Jewish nation.

13 Judas then saw an impressive white-haired man of great dignity and authority.

14 Onias said:

         This is God's prophet Jeremiah, who loves the Jewish people and offers many prayers for us and for Jerusalem, the holy city.

 15 Then Jeremiah stretched out his right hand and gave Judas a gold sword, saying as he did so,

16

         This holy sword is a gift from God. Take it and destroy your enemies.

 17 The eloquent words that Judas spoke encouraged everyone to be brave, and inspired boys to fight like men. Their city, their religion, and their Temple were in danger. So the Jews made up their minds not to waste any time, but to make a daring attack against the enemy and bravely decide their fate in hand-to-hand combat.

k2039: 2 Maccabees 12:43-46
Judas, the ruler of Israel, took up a collection among all his soldiers, amounting to two thousand silver drachmas, which he sent to Jerusalem to provide for an expiatory sacrifice. In doing this he acted in a very excellent and noble way, inasmuch as he had the resurrection of the dead in view; for if he were not expecting the fallen to rise again, it would have been useless and foolish to pray for them in death. But if he did this with a view to the splendid reward that awaits those who had gone to rest in godliness, it was a holy and pious thought. Thus he made atonement for the dead that they might be freed from this sin.
Now I understand where the concept of purgatory is coming from and the concept of prayer for the dead.I will get back to you

italo: @OP, we know that the mother of God is in heaven. If you think she's in hell, good for you.

DANILSA: But I want to put it to u all that GEJ will not be defeated,How? GEJ will strengthen the electoral system thereby making Baba, IBB and PDP incapacitated, then he will try and pls the masses by working on major projects like power. Just my personal opinion.

mekaboy:

START FUNDING ANOTHER POLITICAL PARTY SECRETLY,WHERE HE WILL CONTEST IF THERE IS NO CHANCE IN PDP. BECAUSE IT SEEMS THE PDP SHIP WILL GO DOWN BEFORE 2015.

sambos994: One solution people!!!Vote for any party but the PDP, simple as that!!!

yinchar: I cant believe that for close to 13years that PDP have nothing to offer, some nigerians can still be thinking of voting for PDP again .....which kind of people are we for God sake, why cant we just vote for a change and give it a try...as for me i vote for anything other than the devilish PDP...even an independent candidate will be suitable....

shaybe baby: It is in your opinion but I am saying there are other factors as well. This is but one of many issues you will face in your union. Should we chuck our partners everytime there's a difference of opinion or try to work around those differences. Are you saying that if she attends the same church as you but is a total b**ch at home you'd be happier? She has every right to her faith as do you, it is a fundermental human right. If you can't respect each other, free each other and look for someone who shares the same faith with you but don't go thinking that marriage will be more successful. It might not and what will you do in that instance? Love the person you are with.

MRbrownJAY: @OP
if that was the reason why you got married, and she is not willing to comply (while you did your part) then there is no other ways than to divorce this deceitful woman.
you have absolutely no evidence of her cheating on you, so keep to facts rather than fiction.

hillsate: So any small talk now they mention power. Please stop mentioning power as GEJ's achievement. Power was more stable than it is now in the eighties. He merely is completing what others seriously started.

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chukwudi44: @op

The gospel and letters of john makes it absolutely clear that not everything was written down by the apostles.

chukwudi44: Revelation 5:8

New International Version (NIV)
8 And when he had taken it, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders
fell down before the Lamb. Each one had a harp
and they were holding golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of God’s people.

chukwudi44: Besides if you had a complete bible you would have read about the vision of judas macabees in 2 macabees 12 where the prophet jeremiah in heaven was praying for the isrealites on earth

Antivirus92: Bible without doctrine is rubbish!

Antivirus92: That kind of passages cannot be understood merely without doctrine.