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sultaan: Can any one give a quote on the cost of replacing a turbo?

And compare price of turbo engine to fuel savings, how long to break even

icemann: Really. So you are saying dropping our books would do more good for us? You keep saying Turbo engines are not economical please prove with a logical explanation, otherwise stay silent and accept a worldwide proven fact.




He was trying to describe a propeller(hence talking of the blades)and something else you called "bla bla bla" .

I noticed in most replies you keep referencing your 504 or 505 and most times you are fixing it or having some one fix it. Its say a lot about how unreliable that car is. So with all this "i am fixing my car" memories/incidences you still stuck with Peugeot and the disappointments it has given you?

Like i always say " No matter how you see it ever fan is a sucker"

Somorin#1:
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Here's a complete kit for $490.00 shipped for a Honda Civic, Dek Sol.

A savvy buyer will give proper attention to this statement by the seller "*No instruction included and Modification such as welding may be needed
Professional Installation is highly recommended*"

Even after you hang the bits you will still need to deal with the ecu.

When well tuned, proper octane, etc a Civic can easily make up to 300 horsepower (I will yield that you need to have a strong engine to start with).

Did someone say NOS? lol

https://www.jegs.com/images/photos/NOS05001.jpg

Ikenna351: For anyone to say turbo engine is more economical to run than NA engine is laughable. Sometimes, you guys really need to drop those your books and get practical.

Back then in Awka, our Peugeot 504 GL propeller shaft failed and also damaged the input spline of the rear differential. While a mechanic was replacing them, a friend came, who was in 400 level, Mechanical Engineering. He pointed at a long pipe and asked me what it was. I told him it was Propeller Shaft. The guy said no, that i was wrong. That it wouldn't be the propeller shaft of the car. I asked why would he say so. He said the drawings of propeller shaft in his books all had fan on one end and bla bla bla. Even when he left, the mechanic who was silent and looked confused all those while the argument was going on asked me " So, is this what they teach you guys in Schools?"

Before, Peugeot turbo engines suffered from cracked cylinder heads, compared to their NA engines. I don't know if the problem has been corrected in their modern turbo engines.

Generally, cost of running turbo engine is higher than that of Naturally Aspirited engine, of the same number of cylinders.

Ikenna.

lomomike: What is all this noise about most economical engines?

I used an infiniti before I sold it this month and it returned a 14MPG for a 3.5L V6, people and online review say that was pretty poor MPG for a V6, but I don't give a damn because I really ensured that the maintenance schedule was never skipped, and I drove gently when there's need, but damn I flogged that SUV real hard when it came to opening the taps and letting that V6 power come to life and the thunderous growl, hard powerful torque, gust of sudden 240 power, rear wheel spin, burnout and drifts...


Now I'm dragging around a highlander with 2.4l L4 AWD, absolute slow dragging rubbish. I can't wait to jump into another V6 or even a V8...

That said, If I'm given another opportunity to do such again..hell yeah I'd go another 6 cylinder which will be the lowest number of cylinders I will drive. I don't care about fuel saving/economy of engines.

Ikenna351: Peugeot has dropped V6 engines, both petrol and diesel engines.

Now, Peugeot launched recently their new 1.6 L, 270 bhp turbo petrol engine in their newly lauched RCZ R. Yes, 1.6 litre engine, producing 270 hp. And guess the car fuel consumption? 44 mpg on highway, with 270 bhp. Impressive!


Ikenna

icemann: A friend of mine has a 2010 GMC Sierra V8(Same Engine with a silverado). Its has the ability to shut down 4 cylinders at city traffic/ at low speeds . At that mode it does 26 MPG

icemann: If its more economical then my friend why haven't car companies adapting this technology in their cars?


So you want blog traffic by putting spin on a simple definition. Don't let me spoil your garri.

Kingsteve: Same Engine...yes/maybe.
How about other components/parts? eg: transmission
I still believe, Infiniti brands are well built, with more attention to detail, hence; Nissan's luxury brand.

Are Lexus brands of the same quality and build, with its Toyota counterpart?
Is AMG of the same quality with the regular Mercedes Benz?
Same with Accura/Honda combo.
Yes, the luxury brands are from the same parent company/Manufacturer, and also share 60-70% of parts, but they are called 'LUXURY' brands for a reason!

tundebabzy: Sorry, I don't mean to be rude but driving an SUV doesn't mean you are driving a car with class.

elektra80: If everybody thinks like u, then we will all be driving a Toyota corolla or Hyundai i10. I mean what did u expect from an SUV, same maintenance as corolla? My very close friend has owned a 2007 model for 2 years now and it hasn't given him any major problems. Yes parts are expensive but then tell me any car in its class that has cheap parts? @ op, Just use recommended parts and atf and service ur car accordingly and u won't have a problem. Imagine someone driving a BMW x5 and uses abro ATF. That is what we are facing in this country and tomorrow they will say don't buy the car due to transmission failure . when u have a check engine light on, scan the car and fix the problem, don't wait until the car breaks down. If u do these u will enjoy the car. My friend can't stop praising his murano. The 2007 model is last of its generation and most of the problems have been fixed .

KA24DETT: It's all about maintenance bro. Nissans don't like abuses compared to Toyotas.
I currently own 02 maxima 6speed. Very reliable. This is my 7th Nissan maxima. I will never trade the car for a Toyota . Love that 3.5l engine . U can see a picture of it on my profile .

What to watch out for . Oil leak in some 02-03 (requires top up ). Wheel Bearing go easily ( u are pushing 255hp).
Among my boys , we all drive Maximas. We call it cheap power and fuel economy is very good for a v6 with that much power. It's fast.
I average 9-10L/100km going 130km/hr.
Any car you decide to buy, u have to pay very good attention to it. Maintenance is the key . The car is an extension of you. U should tell when there is loss of power , High gas consumption. You should feel it.

Kingsteve: Forget about the number of complaints for now, and look at the reason for their complaints...numbers are secondary, reason for the complaints, primary.
Most common problems reported were...transmission issues, Radiator issues (leaking, overheating, coolant mixing with transmission), excessive oil consumption, and Engine problems.
However, from the Infiniti complaints, you'll hardly find the aforementioned problems, rather the type of problems they complained about were, accessories problems, eg: dashboard cracks, leather cracks on seats (common with the FX), electrical problems on select models (G37), Brakes wearing out prematurely, and few other complaints, which in my opinion, are manageable!

Let's put it this way, the Infiniti complaints are not as severe as the Nissan brand.
It has nothing to do with sheer volume of sales...the problems are there.
However, Nissan have tried to rectify some of those common problems on their newer models, but the question is: how many people can really afford to buy the newer models, especially in Africa, where everything is cash 'n' carry?

EDIT: Before I got my Infiniti sedan, I really wanted an SUV...be it Pathfinder or Xterra, but after reading the horrible reviews about most Nissan products, I did the needful.
I then started researching on their luxury brand...Infiniti, surprisingly, the reviews were ok, not perfect, but something I could live with.
I then made up my mind to get the FX35 or FX45, but I also got discouraged by the price, and also the cracking dashboards.
I finally got the M35 sedan, which has the FX35 engine.
A solid car, with loads of gadgets and ehh...gimmicks, the only problem; ground clearance is low, which means, some roads are prohibited.
I have a second car for my daily movement, so I can live with that.

Nissan products are generally flashy, hence; my initial attraction to the brand, but reliability is highly questionable!

nissparts: Lol, yes the headlights are expensive.
The oil change interval depends on if you use 5w30 regular or synthetic.

Regular 3000mile intervals
Synthetic 5000mile intervals

The dashboard cleaner + sunlight results in dashboard cracks and bubbling

DJX50: Ok, was just wondering. A few people have advised me not to touch it with a long pole also, though my heart is still stuck there....
I just wish I could get assurance from an expert Nissan mechanic's opinion that i can go ahead and buy it, but unfortunately there's none close to me.

magictouch: Hi Nisspart,

I have a Nissan Sentra 2005, it is actually my first car, problem now is that it consumes too much fuel and the engine seems to be giving problem, the mechanic worked on it but now it seems I have to be topping oil and I dont know how long am to continue doing that. I need an expert to take a proper look at the Engine to ascertain the exact problem. Pls are u in Lagos, if u are not can u recommend a good auto repairer to me.
Thanks

Area_boy: Trac just made everything sound much more complicated than it actually is. I don't think he needs to know torque to power formula.

In its simplest explanation, a turbocharger is a device that forces more air into the engine and improve its efficiency and thereby increasing output power.


If you think of how the conventional engine works. air mixed with fuel gets sucked into the engine and compressed before burning to give power. Turbo give you more air in the engine.


Someone correct me if im wrong here but I think most (if not all of them) turbochargers in car get their power from the exhaust stream?

But OP. all you need to know is my first line of reply. except you are thinking of getting a turbocharged car then you might want to do some more research on the topic if its an older model car. With a brand new car, you should have no problem worrying about how your turbo works

Trac: Try harder! You've written but "said" nothing. Details and facts is what I am expecting not what you are giving. Fortunately, all the answers you need are in my initial response to you. Do some thinking and apply the information. You can quote all you want and resort to name-calling and school-yard bullying. Debunk all I have stated with facts and details. Counter all from my initial post and explain with facts where I did not make sense. I'm not swayed and you wouldn't last a minute with me with your crowd-mentality. You are wasting your time. Don't expect that I disclose further than I have explained. You did not understand; nothing will do! I'm not processing further for you to understand and be convinced. It is evident and clear that it is coherent; at the same time, it is NOT meant for everyone. Everything published post made by me on this thread is BIASED information but simple enough to convey. It is also dead-on with some rhetorical questions that reinforces the body of response and requires "reading-comprehension." If you are serious about the answer, you would leave your keyboard and interact with people.

Addressing your quote: I am puzzled to what inspired you to inappropriately make such references. It's misplaced. Apply things appropriately. I have exhibited absolutely NO violence but taken time to explain two concepts to you that requires deep thinking to be able to absorb it. It's also the simplest I can convey to you. It gets [far] complicated but will be out of scope (thread). Alternatively, the same cannot be spoken of you.

You cannot solve a problem with the same mentality that created it. Learn to see the world a-new.

Albert Einstein

"Wisdom-of-the-Crowd" is not true and tangible information. It's only survivable on the internet. It's intangible and unaccepted in the real-world. Hence, the emotional roller-coaster when confronted with facts based on core precepts. This is where the root of your problem is. Here is a quote from a book.

"In the Web 2.0 world, the crowd has become the authority on what is true and what is not. Search engines like Google, which run on algorithms that rank results according to the number of previous searches, answer our search queries not with what is most true or most reliable, but merely what is most popular. As a result, our knowledge—about everything from politics, to current affairs, to literature, to science—is being shaped by nothing but the aggregation of responses. The search engine is a quantitative historical record of previous requests. So all the search engine offers is a ranking system that feeds back to us the wisdom of the crowd. In terms of links clicked on and sites visited, Google is an electronic mirror of ourselves. But the problem is that the Web 2.0 generation is taking search-engine results as gospel."

----- Wisdom of the Crowd - How Today's Internet is Killing Our Culture - Page 92-93

Don't feel entitled! If you are interested (beyond what I have stated), "Detroit" offers international professional seminars and trainings during it's annual conferences. Pick your concerned-module. When you are done paying the thousands of dollars for a three-day seminar, you will understand why information is not free.

As previously mentioned, ALL has been stated. No further simplification is needed. It is [to] my discretion on how my post will be conveyed and the associated narrative. Deal with it; you did not understand what I've stated so far and you started-off wrongly and you are too proud for a recourse. If it is unimportant, you wouldn't attack the content. You are just not the right "audience" to confront it. Stop seeking regurgitated information. Don't expect any more information than what I've given (that is core with conceptual references). There is a reason reading-comprehension is tested in standardised placement tests.

There is a 16 page pamphlet titled "Is Google Making Us Stupid" for less than $3.

http://www.amazon.com/Is-Google-Making-Us-Stupid-ebook/dp/B005BRENVE

You will do yourself a lot of good by considering this "second-opinion." No matter how much you spend online, you will NEVER equate to one that got tutored or trained or has paid some price or the other.

Frankly, I don't have time for your "perspective." Neither do I have time to beat on trivial matters; especially when all variables have been disclosed and the recipient fails to play his/her part in deductive-reasoning and critical-thinking. If you can't give facts and details that are intellectual-based, then bury it. You've gotten tangible responses plus a "depth" for you to view your "perception"; it's at least fair you respond in like-manner. If you have nothing, then forget it because you are wasting everybody's time and you are being a gate-keeper. That is besides the fact that the original post published was not addressed to or intended for you. I'm yet to figure what you are gaining. Nigerians will still make the intended modification if/when-need-be because they aren't driven by consumerism.

If you throw "mud" or have no fundamental reference(s) to base your facts upon, I will NOT honour but ignore it. Enough time has been spent and I've disclosed all and my objective accomplished (to create awareness). My original post still stands (that is https://www.nairaland.com/1489847/most-durable-reliable-family-car#19138453) and I appreciate your efforts detailing how displeased you are about it.

Trac: Quote me where I stated it was "below your tuition"?

If you can't quote me on that, then there was no basis for insult. You just ensured you reinforced your utopian view with an insult. I wondered how you thought it would be of advantage to you or add credibility to your text. That's another clause you did not understand; got it twisted - hence your response. A tenth-of-a-minute of critical thinking (that is if you heard yourself) would have left you with a conclusion of compliment. That too was omitted! You can't hold a conversation - a logical conclusion for that matter.

Trac: I made it clear that it requires tuition and you don't have it. Not even the fundamentals to sustain the tuition in question. There is no appropriate expression in the context used as "below your tuition" Tuition means: training: cognitive-discipline: tutelage! Once again, you are seeking attention and it's not helping. The mere reason you do not know what I am talking about does not evade the fact that it exist. The fact google or your t.v. show(s) does not tell you doesn't mean there is no existence to it. I will reiterate it: you lack the tuition. You can't and will not understand what I'm saying. It requires 4 - 6 years of enrollment: fundamentally not to end up with your conclusions. It's what mainstream terms "boring and needless." If you think you got educated by watching an automotive show, then you are joking. There is more to discuss on this but this is not what the thread is about. You are trying to deviate the thread and you have resorted to name-calling; besides the fact that you've said nothing. That is outside of the fact that I challenged you to debunk me and you've made no logical/cognitive attempt so far. For your information, I haven't said anything [yet]: yet the issue isn't comprehended.

Trac: I wonder what occurs when I begin in context; with contextual narrative google will not be able to assist you with. Find another person to argue with.

Trac: Interesting! You must think people are gullible by the pragmatic (emotional) explanation given and you offer no scientific references. I made a simple example (of the many given - including rhetorical biomechanical references) relative to environmental science. Apples: why it grows at one end of the world and doesn't. You may not figure the mockery (at the moment) but regions experience the same temperature value(s). Yet, one is sustainable and the other isn't. Once again, the fundamentals and tuition aren't there and the context will mean nothing to you. Temperature is not the [principal] constraint. Nature also proves you wrong. There is more to this concept than meets the surface. There are legislative laws and standards to adhere to. There are consequences when you design void of standards. I've explained it all. The discussion is closed.

No further comments will do. Expect no response from me. It's getting nowhere. It's adding nothing to the thread and you are making obvious your utopian view to design and manufacturing. In a week or two, the thread will be dormant. Sheer vanity! Vanity!


Enjoy!

Trac: People believe that behind the mask of a keyboard they can be anything and talk anyhow. No insults came from me; I just "straightened-him-out." His posts had insults in them. He had no reason in the first place to single me out and tell me what I have said was mute when he lacked the understanding roundabout. Thus rendering the content written as void of reasoning. I was serious when I put it together; I wasn't asleep. I am still wondering who he thought he was impressing.

I can call anybody on earth by their first name. When it comes to Nigerians (or neighbours with like-culture), it is conditionally true. Hierarchy is fundamental in Nigerian culture. Those within your peer and below, are addressed by name or pseudonyms. Those older are addressed via salutation (at least general salutation as a form of honour). I am not expecting salutations (I don't like them). There is no room to address any Nairalander as "negro." The word in that context has a lot of history behind it. Furthermore, he is trying to educate me on that slur as though I was born yesterday. It might be okay in def-comedy-jam, it is not in the real world. That is besides the fact that he violated rule#1, 2 & 3 of NL's posting rules. For every action, there will always be a negative reaction. There is only so much people will take.

Trac: It doesn't make sense to you because you don't have the required tuition. What I presented to you is "product-design" in design-engineering perspective. Just as fashion-designing is not mainstream (even if you think you know it). You do not know where I am coming from nor the depth of the scope. There are legislative laws, international laws and codes that manufacturers must adhere to. There is no "one" standard; just as the world is not one. Furthermore, reaction-kinetics is different around the world. This is another engineering consideration that cannot be easily unified comprehensively due to trade-offs. You do not know MB very well neither do you know automotive as a broad, lest you would have understood in clear terms all I have expressed.



With all due respect: constructively criticise! Use facts for facts! I find it offensive when mud is given in response to analytical/detailed points. I gave you product-engineering (as a summary) and I expect to be responded-to in like terms; lest you shouldn't have discredited in the first place. I don't want your opinion; it's wrong and you are entitled to that. The CLA [or whatever] video you have watched is journalism or general entertainment. All you watched was an "activity" with commentary. If it were core in details, you will not be able to understand anything because it is subsidiary-tier information. It is unacceptable to base facts off a T.V. segment without fundamental references. There is more to product-design that you currently think.

As stated earlier, it requires tuition. You don't know (or cannot descry) what I'm putting to details; that's why it appears nonsense to you. There is nothing wrong with that perception; it is perfectly understood.

Disclaimer: It may appear as a rant but it isn't neither am I belittling. We are wasting the time of others in this thread if we continue and I'll rather not - plus it is not profitable to you. Let's not make this deviate the thread.

Trac: This is incorrect. In 2008, there was - to some level - a unitary move. It was cost efficient for the auto-companies. It was and has never been comprehensive. Unitarily, certain variable were considered and not every automotive manufacturer adopted this move. In engineering creativity, you will always have trade-offs.

To satisfy your question: you [very well] know Texas, New York and Florida is not Africa. What differentiates both zones? Definitely, it is not temperature. Temperature is a scaler quantity. That body of science is called "climate" which is a summation of diverse factors; hence a branch called "Environmental Science." If it's pointless to you, why don't you have apples and strawberries growing in Lagos?! Why is the complexion of your skin the colour it is? Why is your hair texture and structure the way it is? No creation has the texture of the sub-Saharan race. For your own race, why was extra precautions to heat-transfer (or thermodynamics for layman's sake) on your head taken? Why does your hair grow upwards - as oppose to every other race? Sincerely, the answer is not on the surface.

Permit me on this: in design-engineering, there are two fundamental pillars that can never be overlooked in the "planning" phase. These factors are regional and socio-economical. These are considerations. The next step cannot be birthed until these criteria has been resolved (along with the others). It is complex in the automotive sector. This is also why certain cars are not sold to neighbouring or distant market under the same name; though they look identical. The adaption for specific purposes are not the same.

It is true that it is cost-efficient to unify parts for all market but getting the best of both "worlds" is not possible in many designs. In addition, legislative and international laws will forbid certain possibilities. It is easier said to unify standards than done (especially when the numbers are high, high cost and the variables are dynamically complex).

This is furthest I can discuss to avoid being irrelevant to the topic.

Trac: The design considerations specified integrally for a 4-cylinder arrangement intended for van application is not relative to the application of a compact or alternative. If design considerations are side-stepped for van application - in this case - such a manufacturer is practicing out of scope. It is not as noticeable to you but try engineering one and executing the field-analysis-test (F.A.T) at prototype phase. For example: the '93 S Class had the 280 motor as the tamest engine. It powers the 4 tonne vehicle and performance thereof is adequate. The same 280 powered the Baby Benz of that era (C Class). From your logic, would it make sense to transplant a C-Class-designated-280 into an S Class and expect the same results??! There are 4-cylinder trucks as well designed to haul payload heavier than 7 adults. Fundamentally, they don't share the same approach to an economy compact but it is a 4-cylinder arrangement. Considerations are made to attain objectives. If my point wasn't sunk, I'll refer to the ultimate standard: the dictionary. I will use this as an approach to knock two "birds" with this single stone.

Specifications [ENG] An organized listing of basic requirements for materials of construction, product compositions, dimensions, or test conditions; a number of organizations publish standards (for example, American Society of Mechanical Engineers, American Petroleum Institute, and American Society for Testing and Materials), and many companies have their own specifications.

Also known as specs. [IND ENG] A quantitative description of the required characteristics of a device, machine, structure, product, or process.

S.E. Dictionary of Engineering, page 518

Rightly apply the above dictionary disclosure to tropicalised and non-tropicalised standards. If your justification of Nigeria and Las Vegas is the temperature variable, then no explanation will do. There is a lot more to manufacturing [background-wise] than you have conveyed. A point of notion to address: MB's designed for the United States is inherently not the same as MB designed for Africa. The term is called "identical." The engineering explanation to this is called "designation." Why would manufacturers invest billions of Euros to properly ( "unitarily" ) attain standards? Why don't they take your approach and save cost? The answer is simple: your logic doesn't work because it lacks a fundamentally vital attribute: "understanding." Rightly appropriating design considerations in the planning and conceptual phase [all through] to production will ultimately yield a product built to "standard." Nothing is done anyhow; you have precepts/laws and rules are placed to help adhere to precepts.