₦airaland Forum

rolams:
Your proof pls?

Don't forget our senator is still enjoying his vacation in captivity right in UK right now.

I don't understand why you guys always think you can just come out say what you like thinking your listeners are illiterates.

UK isn't USA. Sink that into your skull. Tell Atiku to go visit USA if dem born am well. Even Peter Obi recently dared him.

rolams:
Very funny and lame assumption. Atiku was listed as aid to Saraki? Hear yourself Na? Why are you doing this to yourself? How is that possible? A presidential aspirant listed as aid to a senator?

Ok. Pls bring your evidence on this.

Atiku was his partner in crime in what way? How was Atiku able to partner him? Tell me how the privatisation was done and how Atiku was part of the crime. I mean, Atiku's part of the deal.

I am waiting for your response. Pls, I need concrete evidence.

But it's the truth. Even the US bureau confirmed that their hands were tied. Tell your Atiku to go to US without acting as a politician's entourage, if dey born am well. See, I have no patience for bullshit.

PaedophileProph:
Like yuur brain works anticlockwise, did I say there's a problem with anyone living abroad or in Nig ? No.
That unemployed girl, there bought a property work Millions of dollars in United States, how did she make the money aside that her father was once a Governor like any other

You can manufacture what ever against obi leaving debt like Tinubu left 100Bn debt for BRF govt , . Attached is handover document signed by Obi on the eve of leaving office for the incoming Obiano govt , every pension and salaries were cleared .

How on Earth can you compare Obi in integrity terms to a crook like Tinubu , Obi left office and went back to his Business without collecting a single penny as gratuity from the govt , a major leeching point of Tinubu till date

Peter Obi and integrity? Like the one in the attached below where he cursed himself and family if he left APGA? Lol.


And yeah, Obiano was right. Look at Peter Obi's handover note. The only relevant ones were the local investment and foreign. The foreign which Obiano said was 24b naira eurobond is right there at 26b naira. The local investment in the handover note was 27b Naira which Obiano said included investment hence it was 9b cash + investment.

Obiano added that Peter Obi left him with more than 120b debt. All these are backed up with Facts unlike your baseless concocted tales about Tinubu.

rolams:
Are they dead when He visited the US before 2019 election? How was W.J the accomplice? What way?

How is it possible for a V.P to privatise public asset? You are educated Na!

I have answered you already.

Just as Peter Obi chaired the privatisation of Nigeria's electricity disco under Jonathan, Atiku was put in charge of privatisation of Nigeria's properties which he looted.

The jailed William Jefferson confirmed that Atiku was his partner in crime. The US FBI indicted Atiku.

Atiku was able to enter USA because he was listed as an aide to Saraki. Even the US bureau said their hands were tied because Atiku was listed as Saraki's aide.

rolams:
The America you all said he can't visit before 2019 election yet he proofed you all wrong.

He was part of an entourage. Letter was even written to grant him as an entourage.

rolams:
Did he has power to privatise any public asset as a vice President?

You should know all these.

He was put in charge of it. He chaired the privatisation of Nigeria's properties.

rolams:
Who are the accomplices?

William Jefferson.

US FBI wants Atiku

rolams:
But was he guilty? Was he convicted? Were the Senate able to proof their allegations?

It is easier to allege or accuse someone without concrete evidence Na.

Atiku accomplice are currently languishing in America prison as we speak.

The privatisation he looted was a fact too.

Happy birthday to Shettima.

Dawn91:


Anytime Baba don sniff cocaine he go dey cap NONSENSE.

Tinubu when will you ask about those youths who murdered our Christian sisters Deborah in Sokoto. They beat her to death and set her body ablaze. Sheitima never condemned it neither did you...

We Christians are not second class citizens. We deserve some honest care and concerns.

Christians in the north have been killed, raped and kidnapped for years now ...
Yet you didn't think of picking a VP from the Christian North to compensate them

Why do you hate Christianity so...



PS- I know all you Tinubu supporters are pagans and Muslims. You hate to see the picture of Christ and you hate to hear anything about the church, but try and control yourselves, because of you bad mouth my religion I will abuse you

Says the Ipob miscreantt that threatened Kumuyi. The irony.

Meanwhile, is anyone attacking Christians in Lagos? The big churches are in Tinubu's Lagos and no one is disturbing them there. Heck, Tinubu's wife is a Christian.

Tinubu simply chose a Muslim because he promised the Northern governors. Point is Lalong didn't support Tinubu in the primaries until after it.

The Senate President will definitely be a Christian.

Peter Obi wasn't even going to any Pentecostal churches until election time. Lol. At least Tinubu attended redeem church with his wife.

Adeebiwa09:
Oga you don dey change goal post.

First I am not annuling your mother's prophecy or her prophetic grace. Infact that was why I asked for her church before she died.

Secondly, my stating of understanding is not meant as an insult (sorry if it sounded thus) but a statement of incomplete vintage of the matter which is clear with your latest response cos I believe we had come to a compromise.

Thirdly I still maintain that contextually you can't connect tower of babel and upper room. I have given reasons before but I don't think I'm getting through.
One of the things believers must be careful of is the philosophy or ideology that the ends justified the means. God told Moses hit the rock the first time, he did water came out, he told him to speak to the rock the second time, he didn't instead he struck it twice. Did water come out, yes was that what God wanted no.
That the language of men became diversified in the tower doesn't mean is the same thing as speaking in tongues. Chapter 6 the spirit of God won't strive again with man meaning he has left him to himself, chapter 11 they had different tongues. So you remove the spirit in the tower they spoke different language (not to be mistaken with speaking in tongues) in the upper room they Holy Ghost came they spoke in tongues. Not the same thing.
Vital point the Holy spirit is the defining factor of the speaking in tongues.
Was there might rushing wind, tongues of fire, did they glorify God, did they go about preaching.
When they "spoke in tongues" what happened next, miracle, signs and wonders? The Holy spirit came upon David, Saul, Samson etc did they speak in tongues. Please the restoration of unity in diversity should not be confused with diversity from unity. God scattered their language because they were going of his will, God poured his spirit by the prophecy of Joel unto all flesh so that they would be enabled to communicate with God. You don't learn tongues, it doesn't stay same forever. It's not transferable to your generation.

The fact that different language was generated after the tower doesn't mean its the same as the language of the upper. Upper room 120 people, Tower of babal (lower room) all living human being. If na the same, we all should recieve the holy ghost and be speaking in tongues. Muslims learn Arabic they shouldn't need to, kegite developed their language is that also speaking in tongue, binary and machine language too na speaking in tongues ba.


Honestly I didn't want to talk from the start but when I saw people bending scriptures inaccurately I couldn't but speak. Its my solemn vow. Thank you

If there's a reply from you aside from the question about your grandma, sorry I won't respond. Thank you

It was my grandmother, not my mum. Speaking of tongues at the Pentecost was the same as what happened at the Babel but for different purposes. I have responded in detail below.

Kagd10:
It's actually the same thing that happened but for different purposes. That is, they spoke different languages but it was for different purposes.

You actually thought the people at the Babel started speaking in new tongues without something touching them in the first place. Let me inform you that holy spirit have always existed before Jesus came.

Samson was filled with holy spirit for example. Elijah too. John the Baptist. All these men were before Jesus Christ. The only different was the spirit in Jesus wasn't given to him in measure like that of Elijah, Samson etc. Jesus' own was too much (oversaturated) equal to God's spirit. That's why he's called the son of God because he was a representative of God as a human.

Donsammy77:
A lot of people are just here talking nonsense, the tower of babel case is different from speaking in tongues. There are no two meaning to speaking in tongues in Christendom. For you to speak in tongues, you must be under the influence of the holy spirit. So BAT used the word wrongly. So stop associating the case of tower of babel as speaking in tongues because they were never under the influence of the holy spirit. Thanks

It's actually the same thing that happened but for different purposes. That is, they spoke different languages but it was for different purposes.

You actually thought the people at the Babel started speaking in new tongues without something touching them in the first place. Let me inform you that holy spirit have always existed before Jesus came.

Samson was filled with holy spirit for example. Elijah too. John the Baptist. All these men were before Jesus Christ. The only different was the spirit in Jesus wasn't given to him in measure like that of Elijah, Samson etc. Jesus' own was too much (oversaturated) equal to God's spirit. That's why he's called the son of God because he was a representative of God as a human.

Adeebiwa09:
Well congratulations, looks like you have a first hand experience and that should fuel your understanding but in your assertion and equating tower of babel and the upper room you are wrong on many grounds. But I'm happy you have better understanding than others.

If I may ask was your grandmother C&S, CAC and Celestial

Meanwhile I have a possible contrast to your grandmother prophesying but not needed.

Who doesn't have understanding?

That's why I told you that speaking in tongues is speaking in a different new language. What happened at the Babel was the same as what happened at the Pentecost.

Adeebiwa09:
Sannu, keep it up. We are all amused.

It's the truth.

akins088:
I wonder why those who claimed to be Christian's don't even understand the book the read. Attacking a man because you are blinded with hatred. He is talking from his own understanding and to some extent he is correct. How many of you condemning him have the real holy ghost baptism?

You dey mind them.

Hatefilled people calling themselves Christians? Lol.

Adeebiwa09:
Oga please like I said what he possibly meant was not what he said but please do not in context compare the tower of babel confounding of language and diversity of tobgues. It is contextual not the same

Na the same thing. Speaking in tongues is the same as sudden speaking in a new language and believe me, that new language is understandable to another different ethnic, just like what happened at the Pentecost. It's all about diversity.

Adeebiwa09:
Listen I have little or no problem with Tinubu using the bible as a reference for diversity I have a problem with him saying we all inherited speaking in tongue from the Bible (what he intend to say or mean is different from what he said)

Now please and please read your Bible again slowly and get facts, atleast even from reading. Let me correct you
1. I speak Yoruba, English and hausa. I didn't suddenly started speaking it, it didn't fall on me. I learnt it, I was thought formally and informally, I would speak rubbish and I would be taught the correct thing. Even an English person (someone born in the UK still goes to school to learn English). If I adult a fulani infact, he will grow up to speak Yoruba because he will hear me speak it and learn. If what you said is true I should know how to speak igala or nupe, cos it should have fallen on me

2. I will say it again go and read your bible and it begs me to ask who pastor's you cos I'm in shock honestly. Anyways, God scattered their language at the tower of Babel so that they won't continue the building. God didn't give them tongues to understand or confuse someone. Please and please read your Bible.

What makes speaking in tongues different from the tower of babel are
1. No man understand what you speak
2. You speak to God
3. It is spirit inspired
4. It is for good and the glory of God
5. You must be a Christian and born again to have it
This didn't happen in the tower.

ABEG I TAKE GOD BEG YOU DON'T DEFEND RUBBISH

In that context, he simply meant diversity started from the Bible.

Speaking in tongues is the same as sudden speaking in another new language on the spot which is all about diversity

Trinitycian:
Speaking in Tongues is not Inherited but gifted. It's not the same as Babel. The difference is in Babel, you understand the language you speak. But when Speaking in Tongues, you don't understand the language you speak in. Others may, but you don't. Only the people that own the language and God understand.

What do you even know?

It's the same thing. Speaking in tongue is suddenly speaking in another new language on the spot which was what happened at Babel and at the Pentecost.

You do know that some people have the gift of interpreting the new language they suddenly speak whereas some don't. It's still all about sudden speaking in a new language on the spot.

Tinubu was talking about the diversity of languages while using the Bible as a reference and he was right.

Adeebiwa09:
Why una no get sense like this. Explain how the scattering of tongues is similar to speaking in tongues. Fission and fusion are different.

Speaking in tongues is speaking in another new language suddenly.

When you're speaking in tongues, you begin to suddenly speak in another new language which could mean God want the message to be hidden from others around such as, the the tower of Babel or God want you to speak to someone who doesn't hear your original Language except the sudden new tongue you're speaking which was what happened at the Pentecost.

It's all about diversity. You don't learn your mother's tongue, do you? It came natural and suddenly. That's speaking in tongues which was what happened at both Babel tower and Pentecost. Tinubu was using the Bible as a reference for diversity.

VERDA:
Like I said to someone else, go check the meaning of speaking in tongues, then check the meaning of inherited, then marry the two together.
The statement speaking in tongues was inherited from the Bible is wrong Oga.

Let's stop with the whole, but you understand what he was trying to say angle.

In that context, he meant diversity started from the Bible.

VERDA:
From what you have written, it means speaking in tongues were things that happened in the Bible and God directly gave the gift to the people.
How do you marry that with it was inherited.

The problem with this whole thing is the word inherited. People still speak in tongues now, and I mean still receive the gift of the holy spirit, what is God trying to do in cases like this...is it also to surprise people around?.

Speaking in tongues is a spiritual phenomenon that gives you edge in the spirit, God was not trying to make the people around during the pentecost surprised, it just so happens that people get surprised when strange things happen.

Again, when people say speaking in tongues, as referenced by the Bible, it's something spiritual, and can in no way be used in the context Tinubu used it.

We can't explain away spiritual things as if your doing reading and comprehension.

Tinubu should have used a better analogy or example to make his point, thats all people are saying.

Tinubu said diversity started from the Bible which is the truth. I don't get what you're arguing about tbh.

Sarsaproko:
His university school age is more than 70 though.. So how old is Tinubu?

You could see they got their info from Wiki.

Some of the listed people didn't even have anything like age written in front of their names..

VERDA:
Your being ignorant, it's not about debate, it's about saying things truthfully.

Speaking in tongues is a gift given by the holy spirit, and not inherited from the Bible.

He said we all inherited, only Christians can be gifted the gift of speaking in tongues, let's always say things truthfully and not just think we can use semantics in every matter.

The tower of Babel was for diversity. Same with the disciples at the Pentecost, it was because there were several people with different languages surrounding the disciples hence the reason why God made the disciples to start speaking in different tongues of the people surrounding the disciples hence why these people were astonished to see the disciples speaking their different languages to them.

The topic of Tinubu's message was diversity. You get the message.

VERDA:
Oh please keep quiet and stop talking nonsense, go on type speaking in tongues on Google and let us know what your result is.

You do not inherit speaking in tongues, if you are talking about the tongues mentioned in the Bible. Are you inheriting it from the Bible? The stuff some of you defend self, sometimes just keep quiet if you don't know.

Speaking of tongues is speaking different languages without learning it. The first happened at the tower of Babel. The second happened at Pentecost.

dejol88:
Since u lack manners I will stop engaging u.

I asked you a question.

Meanwhile, I have no time for people like you who spew baseless gibberish while crying at the face of evidence. You have yet to list Peter Obi's achievement.

dejol88:
He did not build but renovated Oga.

This same millennium schools below? You dey mad?

You have yet to list Peter Obi's achievement.

Trinitycian:
Tinubu doesn't grant interviews cos he's full of shit. Nothing upstairs

See this trash talking even though Tinubu was actually right and was saying this to support people who have grievances towards the Northerners like you yet you're the one spewing gibberish from your trashyy brain. Lol. I have told you already that the Tinubu who support one Nigeria, don't make him stop caring. He's the one who's trying his best to make others to accept Northerners. He's hated today because of you Northerners. What happens when he started minding his business and doesn't care? Your backstabbing ass will hear it.

dejol88:
Tinubu only renovated 4 schools In all over Lagos .I ask again is this an achievement?

Nah, Tinubu built 4 millennium schools and renovated other schools.

Now list Peter Obi's achievement.

He wasn't wrong. Don't forget the first people to speak in tongues were those mentioned in the Bible.

donaldking100:
Urchins na so 70 year old men de look for una village?
Someone who was bold enough to hire fake bishops, won't find it difficult lying about his age.
Please tell Mr Fake Bishops to show us a copy of his birth certificates, we want to confirm something.
Obi has shown us everything, including his school & birth certificates, but Tinubu keeps telling us stories.
The same stories that Buhari told us which landed us into this mess that we are all collectively suffering.
Urchins una mumu never do?
Dem swear for una on-top this A.P.C matter?
Why are you people so determined to destroy this Nigeria kpata-kpata.

Let me now give my piece to you.

NTA news and major TV stations celebrated Tinubu when he turned 60 back then. Go and check the video.

Are you now saying he was 78 and above when he celebrated 60? You don mad? Better tear cloth and enter market. Peter Obi's miscreantt and common sense are parallel lines that can never meet.

Also, Tinubu had never said he lost his Bsc certificate to begin with. Tinubu submitted a copy of his Bsc certificate to inec long ago which was verified by Chicago university. Only his elementary certificate he claimed was missing. As a matter of fact, Tinubu is a first class graduate of business administration and accounting. He was the best graduating student of his set. Below is Tinubu as one of the outstanding alumni of his school.