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Emusan: This thread was created by 'Logicboy03' thought it will favour atheist.

https://www.nairaland.com/1309560/one-13-people-ape-like-feet

Though some atheist do claim they don't believe in evolution but all atheist can't do without using scientific evidence as a support of their atheism.

Then my question for you is, "according to Tracy Kivel's statement".

If this research is in implications for human evolution from ape-like. Can will trust evolution in any case?

Again if some atheist don't believe in evolution, what is the best evidence for atheist to claim there's no God?

davidylan: Intelligence has no respect for faith. Many of the dumbest posters here are atheists... many of the best scientists in the world are christians. Ben Carson is the top neurosurgeon in the US... he is christian.

I find it amusing when atheists overplay this "IQ" meme. Its as if they use it rather desperately to justify their godless point of view.

No person is excluded from salvation
simply because of so-called original sin.

davidylan: That is very evident here as well. If you note, many of the prominent "atheists" here do have a soft spot for deism... they do not believe in the evolution theory (it is simply a fig leaf) but absolutely refuse to believe in a god who makes demands of them.

At the end of the day, for many of them it really isnt about the illogicality of a god existing, it was never about whether evolution was true or not... it is simply a rabid hate of the God of the bible.

okeyxyz: This is a load of nonsense, coming from people who are supposedly using their brains to think. How can you oppose a particular(religious) point of view on cosmology & origin of life without having any ideas yourself?? If you have no ideas Then on what basis do you evaluate and disagree with others??

Bros, please Use your brain and think for yourself for once, instead of regurgitating quotes, opinions and catch phrases from your cult idols(eg Richard dawkins) without critically processing them to test their validity.

striktlymi: Can someone tell me again how the above is not a belief that is firmly rooted in blind faith?

OLAADEGBU: Who can question God?

nmuhd: I have answered your question,but you don't really want to welcome my answer.okay this my questions.WHY IS THAT BIBLE IS FULL OF CONTRADICTION?e.g
a.GOD AS AN OMNIPOTENT BEING.
"and jesus saith....for with God ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE"
mark 10:27
contradicted by
"and the lord was with judah,and he drove out the inhabitants of the mountain,but COULD NOT drive out the inhabitants of the valley,because they had CHARIOTS OF IRON".
Judge 1:19
b.GOD DWELLS IN LIGHT:
"....(God)dwelling in the LIGHT which no man can approach unto.whom no man hath seen,nor can seen"
1 timothy 6:16
contradicted by
"then spake solomon,then lord said that he would dwell in the THICK DARKNESS"
1 King 8:12
c:GOD DOES NOT ENTICE MAN.
"let no man say he is tempted. I am TEMPTED of God.for God cannot be tempted with evil,NEITHER TEMPTED like any man
James 1:13
contradicted by
"And it came to pass after these things that God DID TEMPT Abraham....
Genesis 22:1.
These kind of contradiction are so many but I will only stop here.

davidylan: that's why i wonder why atheists think their position is any better. However you look at it, christianity and atheism are both rooted in blind faith.

OLAADEGBU: No. We are all bound by a universal objective moral code which doesn't make sense to the subjective atheistic worldview. Human beings are valuable, they are ot just chemicals or animals but have genuine freedom of choice and are accountable for their actions. Any standard of our own creation is what would be subjective and arbitrary.

OLAADEGBU: If you are insisting that atheists are moral or that you behave morally you must also admit that absolute morality doesn't comport with atheism. Otherwise, why would you think there ought to be an absolute standard of behaviour that all people should obey if you believe that the universe and the people in it are just accidents of nature? Does this not expose your inconsistency?

OLAADEGBU: Atheists are the amoral ones. They have no distinction between good and evil because they have no moral absolutes.

In contrast to this lack of absolute values, the Bible teaches that right and wrong, good and evil, are absolutes that are ultimately and immutably defined by God. He has placed in the human heart a recognition of these absolutes—the conscience—that tells us right from wrong. When a person goes so far in insubordination that he or she is no longer able to recognize this distinction, then destruction hovers]

The moment atheists begin to be consistent with their philosophies is the time they will realise that they are fighting a lost cause.

annyplenty: SIN is a very terrible and abominable thing before God.

For some teachings i once posted on similar topic, you can see

https://www.nairaland.com/1256318/end-time-bible-teaching-awareness-sin

OLAADEGBU: God is the absolute of our morality. If man claims to be moral at all he is created in the image of God. Our morality cannot measure up to the standard of God's.

OLAADEGBU: The uncreated Creator is intrinsically good and whatever He says or does is good. God formed man in His own image. Man got deformed when he disobeyed God. Jesus transformed man when He exchanged His righteousness for our sinful nature.

The infinite uncreated Creator is not responsible to anyone. He alone defines what is good and if man claims any iota of goodness at all it's because of the traces of the image of God in him. Jesus restores us back to that image when we accept His righteousness in place of our self righteousness.

God has given us the freewill to choose good or evil, life or death. Our decision then determines our destination because God who is Love is also the righteous Judge who we are all accountable to at the end of the day.

OLAADEGBU: Yes. Only God is good and He is good all the time.

"And Jesus said to him, Why do you call me good? there is none good but one, that is, God" (Mark 10:18).

OLAADEGBU: Let me compare your goodness to God's standard and see how you will stand: Answer the following questions conscientiously:

Have I always loved God my Creator with all my heart, mind, soul and strength? ____YES ___NO
Have I made a god in my own image? a god to suit myself? ____YES ___NO
Have I ever used God's name in vain? ____YES ___NO
Have I kept the Sabbath holy? ____YES ___NO
Have I always honoured my parents implicitly? ____YES ___NO
Have I murdered (God considers hatred as murder)? ____YES ___NO
Have I committed adultery (including premarital sex and lust)? ____YES ___NO
Have I stolen (the value is irrelevant)? ____YES ___NO
Have I lied (including fibs and these questions)? ____YES ___NO
Have I coveted (been greedy or materialistic)? ____YES ___NO

OLAADEGBU: Can you be good without God, are you a good person?

maclatunji: Please explain this your theory of evolution from the beginning.

Richfella: @ Plaetton

1.) For the "...I am certain that it is not mindless, and is certainly not the product of chance." part (of Deep Sight's post):

I'll have to quote Mr Einstein again (at least you hold him as an authority, more than you would the Bible or the Koran ).


He said: "We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library, whose walls are covered to the ceiling with books in many different languages. The child knows that someone must have written those books. It does not know who or how. It does not understand the the languages in which they are written. The child notes a definite plan in the arrangement of the books, a mysterious order, which it does not comprehend but only dimly suspects."


You are a very brilliant man Mr Plaetton, I always read your posts with interest. I know that you are very much aware that there is so much order and unmistakable precision in the physical world.


Now, what are the mathematical odds of the known universe blindly and randomly floundering into it's present state? Let's just say that is several times greater than the chance of a monkey on a typewriter randomly producing the works of Shakespeare (lol pardon the cliché).

I believe our point of contention should rather be whether all this was brought about by the Christain God or Allah or Sango or even Aliens .


Einstein again: "My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind."

-- "Every one who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe-a spirit vastly superior to that of man, and one in the face of which we with our modest powers must feel humble."

-- "The scientists’ religious feeling takes the form of a rapturous amazement at the harmony of natural law, which reveals an intelligence of such superiority that, compared with it, all the systematic thinking and acting of human beings is an utterly insignificant reflection."



2.) For the "There is necessarily some form of evolution in all things," part (of Deep Sight's post):

From my current limited understanding, God doesn't instantly will things into form. There appears to be a process of progressive, guided, evolutionary refinement towards fuller functioning.


In the Genesis account of creation, the very second verse has something very interesting:

"And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved (literally brooding) upon the face of the waters."

Brooding means to incubate. This denotes a non-instant materialization process.

One could strongly argue that the prehistoric dinosaurs were our 'experimental' prototypes/progenitors.


Low Battery...

sin is the transgression of the law--not just certain laws, but all of God's law.

maclatunji: The Qur'an has already guided science. One of the greatest social scientists ever was born on this day in 1332 - Ibn Khaldun http://www.coolstuff49ja.com/2013/05/today-is-ibn-khalduns-birthday.html?m=1

Islam provided the basic framework on which he made many discoveries.