₦airaland Forum

UCHIHAmask:
I think you need to read the 2nd paragraph in my first comment again,it clearly explained this question.
Your first paragraph is still rephrasing the problems we have in Nigeria,now the question is why hasn't this problems Been tackled In Nigeria or how how is it going to be tackled with this much difference in culture and religion between us?how can we rise up together against injustice in Nigeria?how can we come together to agree on a change in constitution or system of government in Nigeria? The truth is that we can't!!
We mock each other even when we are all under oppression,our perception of each other and sense of judgement is bias and tainted with tribalism (I don' need to give you a case scenario), we would never understand each other, isn't it clear already that chasing unity with the level of corruption and ineptitude in the system of government we practice is impossible!!!
I say again,in an homogeneous/almost homogeneous nation or in a nation where each region has autonomy,there is much more chances for citizens to rise against injustice! Evidently,during the regional system of government in past years,the YORUBAS protested against obafemi awolowo a man whom they loved because it was perceived that he is oppressing akintola,how much more would they have done if the suffering and rate of government corruption now was then....

"Wouldn't the Yoruba nation be at risk of collapse without a clear economic roadmap: Wouldn't the nation be at risk of falling into despotic hands where there are no traditional and strong institutions to counterbalance" I'm surprised at this question!,what the hell is your standpoint,does Nigeria have a clear economic roadmap?,is Nigeria's government not more than despotic with the way our leaders don't follow judicial sanctions?,how can you talk of lack of traditional and strong institutions to counterbalance in a new Yoruba nation or any nation at all,where are that institutions in Nigeria? And what effect have they against injustice in our current nigeria system of government?
There can be no logical reason to support this current system of government in Nigeria and with the way it is structured,only the senates/judiciary etc can bring a cure,now would they?twice,the two-third majority of NASS rejected the restructuring bill!!

I strongly doubt if you answered any of my questions. Corruption is an institutional and structural problem that permeates the very fabric of society. It is like every modern evil - both banal, structural and insidious. It is not outrageous enough to ignite public indignation but works slowly and subtly and outside the public eye.

I think anyone, pondering a new nation out of Nigeria, must have solutions for the Nigerian problems that may plague the new nation.

The reason the NPF works so badly is because the structural problems it faces. No amount of protests will fix those problems. If a police force is poorly funded, poorly remunerated and poorly trained, there is no way they will be effective.

Crixxx:
The islamisation movement continues. They are really trying to infiltrate the south completely, with the East giving them heavy problems.

Is it the Islamisation plan to infiltrate the East with cattle?! Why didn't they do so under IBB or Abacha? Why don't they teach Islam as a compulsory subject in our schools?

[quote author=TripleOh7 post=106970488][/quote]Yes, we may have millions of Yorubas who can trace their lineages to some patriarch who have grown up and been raised in different places across the world and in this country. Their lives are far divorced from the pre-1914 Yoruba culture which is pretty alien to them. The point I am making here is that there is no cultural or historical ties/commonality amongst Yorubas aside from just tribe. An urban Yoruba has very little cultural and socio-economic ties with the rural Yoruba. The culture, from which Omoluabi emerges from and which ought to be the foundation of the new Yorubas, is not the common bond amongst Yorubas. From the globalized world today, we have globalized Yorubas. We need some more solid foundation rooted in the present.

Interesting you pondered about the governance structures the Yoruba nation may have to adopt. Obviously, democracy will be only option. Similarly, any agitation must be democratic. It must create structures that accommodate these democratic ideals. Of what use is there, to escape dictatorship disguised as Nigeria for Oduduwa. i doubt if IPOB is a great example of any agitation imbibes democratic values and principles.

Nigeria faces millennial problems like overpopulation, infrastructural deficits, import reliant economy, low government revenues, poor education and insecurity. I doubt if these problems will disappear because there is a Yoruba nation. So while agitating for a new nation, we ought to begin addressing these issues. I love idealism but what will keep a Yoruba nation without massive oil and gas reserves going in its first year of existence.

UCHIHAmask:
In Yoruba nation, Yoruba citizens can easily unite and protest a change In government/constitution or against corruption anywhere it raises it's tails and security forces would comprise only Yorubas,so the police killings would immediately lessen with patriotism awakened.
In Nigeria, the difference couldn't achieve a United front In protest against government and security forces killings and oppression, they mock each other with bias reckless abandon.

Do you really think corruption can be cured by homogeneity? Do you think that if the police force of the Yoruba nation is poorly educated, poorly motivated, poorly housed, poorly trained, overworked and underpaid, it will use the Omoluabi spirit to sail through and avoid corruption?

Wouldn't the Yoruba nation be at risk of collapse without a clear economic roadmap: Wouldn't the nation be at risk of falling into despotic hands where there are no traditional and strong institutions to counterbalance?

Lets have real conversations.

TripleOh7:
No.
But we have an opportunity to build a nation from foundation.

We have an opportunity to make sure that the foundation is SOLID.

It is true, Yoruba politicians and youths are part of the corrupt class at the moment, but there was a time before the amalgamation when your family name was important, when the Yoruba principle of OMOLUABI was the guiding light for Yorubas, when the adage "nothing is more shameful for a man than stealing and laziness (olè and ọ̀lẹ)" was very much in force.


Now, look at us as a people. We have been married to disparate tribes, corrupted by some that believe that you must make money by all means even if it means ferrying drugs or doing money rituals.


I'm not saying that Yoruba used to be an ethnic group devoid of bad elements, I'm saying that if you were caught, you wouldn't be celebrated and given chieftaincy titles as is obtained today.


There used to be a time in Yorubaland whereby people traded by barter. You'd leave your yams by the roadside and you'll meet your money or whatever it's traded with intact.


If there were to be serious corruption problem in the new Yoruba nation, wouldn't it be easier to solve than when we all have to look to Abuja (the seat of corruption) to help us fight corruption?


I can bet my last dollar that this embarrassing situation at the airport will not be looked into by the government.


Why do you think the politicians are desperate to keep Nigeria one?


Why do you think the colonialists are desperate to keep Nigeria one?

I admire your vision for the new Yoruba nation, but remember you, your character and vision only cannot make this nation. But I doubt if you will find your foundation because who is a Yoruba today? Who is Yoruba after a hundred years of colonialism and capitalism? Where will you place the influence of Western media and education in our people.

Also, what is the geopolitical impact of a Yoruba nation in Africa? Will the nation be capitalist or socialist? Are we going to be in the African free market?

TripleOh7:
Nigeria is NOT working.

Nigeria will NEVER work.

Dismantle Nigeria NOW!!!

#YorubaNationNow

#YorubaNationNowNow

Will the Yoruba nation be clean of corruption because Yoruba blood flows through Yoruba veins?!

Harpyeagle:
Lol. If there were a rumour that ipob took over a building somewhere, they'd have sent the entire armed forces from all over the country to go there and do some massacre but as it's their own people, even when they've taken over several states and still killing and kidnapping they are still getting pardoned here and there in the name of repentance.
Yet they have the guts to tag seeking secession as terrorism.

This narrative has never made sense to me. Why would the Northerners show love to bandits and terrorists that are threatening their lives and livelihood?! The narrative is too complicated to be true. It like saying you will forgive an armed robber for killing your father and mother because he is from your village.

Wouldn't it be tragic if Nigeria breaks apart, at a heavy human cost, and its constituent parts are governed by characters with superficial visions like this?

Redcrafton:
What problem did he add?

The north was a different entity like the south when Africa was shared among the whites.

If the north had a different segment separating it from the south, as in, owned by say Germany or France, the north and south would have been different countries. Just like Togo and Ghana are different countries.

So because the north and the south are owned by the British, it was only easy to merge them for administrative purposes.

Saraki was right.

You need more education, to improve your knowledge.

Northern Nigeria and Southern Nigeria are as artificial as Nigeria itself. The British government was responsible for creating all three. Besides, the Oil Protectorate and the Lagos Colony were merged together for the same convenient commercial reasons. The British in fact followed this previous example since it worked so well.

Ibkhaleel01:
Unjust hatred for people will consume you. We see the obvious in the very hilarious VAT battle that is happening. I just dey observe.
Many supported Governor Wike's decision to be collecting VAT because they say "the North contributes nothing and they want to be collecting". But if they know their facts they will understand that they are digging a hole for themselves. They will realize it is all of us that will suffer when States collect VAT.
First of all, after Lagos, the next place that contributes the highest VAT (20%) is the FCT which is in the North. Yes this is followed by Rivers at 6% but Kano is next with 5% and this is followed by Kaduna. So no, it is not as you have been misinformed. The only special case is Lagos. So your State will suffer. Even Lagos will suffer with much more people migrating there. When resources are shared among Federating Units, it is shallow to always think it is injustice. Give Lagos 100% of it's VAT, Mukaila from Sokoto, Chinedu from Aba and even Lasisi from Osun will all migrate there. So what is the point again?
Secondly, in the federal system, companies with less than 25 million were not VATable. You think you are doing Northerners but your company will become VATable once Wike's law is replicated in your State. Why do you think commercially massive States like Abia and Anambra do not top the list of VAT contributors? Because those boys in the market were not exactly VATable, wait until what you are blindly supporting takes effect. VAT will be collected like motor park tickets. Then you will see where hate has led you.
Third, people will most likely pay VAT twice across different states with different laws because Wike does not know what is input and output VAT and did not listen to Nojeem Olasubomi Yusuf and others who politely asked him about it.
Some have even termed Wike the leader of restructuring in Nigeria. A gullible people in search of heroes. Being used and misled by every opportunist. Stop allowing yourself to be used by politicians to settle their personal scores while they tell you they are fighting for your interest.
You need to first know what your interest is to know who is actually fighting for or against it

I also think the issue is beyond a moral outrage.

unbitchable:
If they would kill themselves to snatch power from Gej, it's part of northern agenda

They, the "Northerners", have taken power for over 8 years, why continue an outdated agenda?!

unbitchable:
Amnesty for what crime?. Do not compare Igboho and Kanu to bokoharam. Gej captured and jailed bokoharam terrorists but buhari released them back into the society.
Bokoharam is a Northern agenda while Sunday and Kanu were fighting against the killings by buhari's kinsmen.

Yea, a Northerner agenda to kill Northerners. Geopolitics appears to be beyond Nigerians.

efficiencie:
...then instead of recruiting people employers will basically go capital intensive and deploy the use of automation to displace labor...when that happens you will be back to square one, capitalists get richer and employees remain unemployed in their sapa republic! The free market is best mechanism for price/wage determination unless you want to live and die as an employee. Any attempt to fix prices/wages (as obtainable in a command economy) will ultimately hurt the very same people you claim to protect!

A fixed price on Labour in a command economy may adversely affect qualified Labour too as an unintended consequence.

Officialgarri:
This is no time to talk about the shortcomings or rather, incompetency of the Ministry of Labour.

I glanced through the recent version of Nigeria Labour law —Labour Act 2004, and I can agree it's a shallow draft that didn't know of its importance.

If I were to be bias, I would compare the Labour Act 2004 to the "Animal farm" laws that was tweaked to suit the farm leaders —Napoleon and the other pigs.

Without much ado, to avoid Under payment, I'm of the opinion that Employee's wages (instead being set by capitalist employers) — should be determined by the company's annual income and the Nigerian Labour body should follow up strictly on its compliance.
It is however left to the Employer's discretion to raise the wages higher than the set minimum wage.

What if the company makes a loss or consistent losses across many years?

SamuelLoch:
So I went to school to study Finance. With the many hardship attached to my four-year course, I'd graduate then spend 2 years doing military combat. 2years o!!! Upon graduation, I can't remember all I learnt at school because it's not in my working memory. Now, I'd for the next two years not practice or learn a skill, but doing military combat

What's good about this idea? If it's going to be optional, no problem

It is worse to squander years of investment in tertiary education for basic combat.

dre11:
Kano Assembly suspends anti-corruption boss after launching probe on governor’s family



https://dailynigerian.com/breaking-kano-assembly/

We have to find a system to strengthen the state legislatures. They are crucial to any further discussions on decentralisation.

etokhana:
...Declares Niger Delta have had enough of colonial oppression

* demands reversal or block IOCs from region



https://www.sunnewsonline.com/breaking-passed-pib-satanic-unjust-embarrassing-clark/

Was he sleeping when the bill was in the course of passage?! Aside from generalistic statements, no intelligent insights on the details of the bill.

Valur20:
There is one thing I'm sure of the farmers being killed by bandits in the core north like Zamfara are not Fulanis because the bandits are Fulanis and Kanuri people and I'm sure they cannot be killing their own people

Isn't it a simpler answer that after years of neglect of educational institutions and human investment in rural communities, law and order (or society as we know it) will collapse? I find it horrifying that we have reduced the analysis of complex human behaviour down to tribal tendencies. If you educate a population and make economic investments in them, there is the likelihood of growth. The UAE or Qatar or Europe are not better human beings than we are, are they?

Grace001:
Of course they will rather hold on to the present constitution that is designed to render 80% Nigerians into abject poverty.

That’s how Nigeria system is designed through this present constitution to constantly put 80% Nigerians in abject poverty, no improvement.

So the politicians(oppressors) can continue to have their way.

Things like this make me believe that Nigerians are destine to suffering and smiling lifestyle.

Oppressors don’t want the oppressed to be free

What part of the constitution pushes people into poverty.

I do not see any narrative here stating that Buhari intends to exterminate or invade his own state or the Northwest. Doesn't it appear obvious that the man is merely incompetent or overwhelmed with the security challenges? Does he have to own an agenda to conquer the South for everyone to see that the main problem is incompetence? The incompetence problem is showing up in every region and not limited to the South.

dignity33:
If Nigeria truely want an atmosphere where security of life we be maintained and be accountable the Security review must be included in Constitutional amendment on going. In my opinion every Security in each state be it Army or police should be headed by Indigines of that state and should be elected base on his or her good record. That person should be nominated base on constituency by traditional heads and elected by the people of the state. The same goes to Security head of the Nigeria which must be nominated by region and will be elected by people. This person must be recalled when security is bad. 

Why do we have to review security arrangements? In Nigeria today we are more divided than before and all fingers pointed at those in Authorities for sponsoring insecurity going on in Nigeria and the same people impose or appoint Security head to us without any objection from the public. We have obligation as a citizen and indignies to play a role on who head the Security that protect us in Nigeria. 

The issue of Abuja appointing a security head in State has made many Governors incapacitated to carried any security challenges affecting his people if Abuja did not approved such move, even when is obvious his people see such incidence as a crime that should be treated asuch. Take the issue of killer herdsmen ban in Southern Nigeria but refuse to be approved by Abuja. Today they are still going there normal destroying business without no security arresting them.

Some security men and women are religion extremist and this is one of the implication when such person or individual appointed a security head in a state where his or her religion is not present. The protection of life is beyound religion.

Most of our young innocent men and women are killed by triggered happy men and women in Security uniform ( police&Army) and when a report of such incidence are made . The head of Security will covered it up simple because the Security man or woman who committed such crime is from the part of Country he come from. It need to stop any criminal have to be deal with wather security or civilians. 

There are alot of negative implications happening in Nigeria as a result of Security arrangements in this Country. Take look at Benue, Ebonyi, Borno and imo there Governors have cried helplessly to no avail. Our innocent citizens have being murdered without regard to the Authority. We need to stop this by holding any security head in our state responsible by electing him and able to recalled him when he is not performing as expected. 

Federal security should be in stand by to assist a state when insecurity is out of hand. This is my opinion and for interest of peace and justice in our security system should be included in ongoing constitutional review.

Not a bad idea to have a chief executive responsible for security within a state. But in discussions about security, funding and checks on security apparatus must be discussed. There is no point having rag tag and poorly trained state police.

henryadex:
Honesty and righteousness is what we need

Unfortunately you can not legislate honesty and righteousness. You have to erect a system that checks the human excesses.

litigator:
I simply do not understand the rationale for a reduction when he ought to clamour that the number be increased. Appeals at the Supreme Court take years to determine due to shortage of manpower, as the few available hands are overworked.

I was also hoping the CJN will clamour for a decentralized Supreme Court, so we do not have to go Abuja all the time.

Misplaced priority if ask me.

It is well.

A decentralised Supreme Court may be a bad idea because there will be the likelihood of conflicts in decisions of a decentralised court. A ready example is the Court of Appeal.

athaboi:
Don't reduce anything career civil service instead the senators who are known thieves should be reduced...the judicial system is rather what needs more hands from high court to the supreme court! Somebody will be at kuje and kirikiri prison for 10 years and they never call his case in the court for once

The present system where all appeals, regardless of quality, find their way to the Supreme Court is unsustainable. The workload is immense and this creates the much hated delay. Simple debt recovery matters can find their way to the Supreme Court, thus leaving the court with little time and attention on the real unsettled areas of law.

festacman:
First step is reviewing the exclusive list in the constitution to give more developmental powers to the regions to explore their resources in the best ways they think and pay a percentage to FG. Of course FG retains national security and NPF regulating community policing to dilute ethnicity-driven abuses. In any case, we have Switzerland, Canada, US, etc. to look at to adopt what is best for us given our peculiarities.

But it is more effective to have Federal rules and regulations to govern the exploration and exploitation of the natural resources than a tapestry of state rules and regulations governing how to tap into resources. For example, wouldn't it be unwise for oil companies to spend extraordinary expenses on transactional costs to obtain the same set of licenses and permits from different states instead of just one?!

Community policing cannot deal with Boko Haram, ISWAP and ESN. It will be a joke to think so.

festacman:
The problem at hand has gone beyond reorganizing security architecture. It needs political reorganization or RESTRUCTURING.

National Assembly should as matter of urgency commence work on RESTRUCTURING Nigeria through amendment of the vital parts of the constitution. The failure to respond before now led the nation into this raging regional self-determination chaos.

Any further delay in acting will most likely lead to any of the following:
1. Military interrupting the democracy to take over government in order to restore order, of course, with far reaching consequences. They are losing too many men.
2. Negligently allowing the regions to slip into the hands of hot-headed separatists who, so far, have no clear governance and developmental plan.

However, acting on restructuring NOW will empower the current of political class and intelligentsia in different geopolitical regions to assume control with little destructive disruption with the armed forces restoring order. I suggest the following actions immediately:

-- NASS leadership should immediately wake members up from ongoing slumber to do their duties.
-- Set up a joint NASS Restucturing Committee
-- Meet and convince Nigerian Governors' Forum to set up regional committees covering broad interests to negotiate transfer of critical things on exclusive list to concurrent list and other federations issues.
-- Amend the constitution to reflect the new political realities of Nigeria.

Northern Nigerian legislators and politicians should note that any attempt to frustrate immediate restructuring of the Nigeria at this critical point will bring nothing but doom.

Break down what you mean by restructuring. Do you mean more autonomy to the 36 states and possibly the emergence of state police? Do you mean more resource control? Do you mean more efficiency?

zoedew:
My point is that roaming cattle gave leeway to banditry. When ranching is done bandits should be out in the cold and we will be in a better position to take them out.

With respect, your logic is not coherent. Bandits do not need cattle to cause havoc. Arms and a great hiding place suffice for their operations. Cattle herding is clearly not a hustle for criminals for bandits.

kayusely70:
The Man Is Confused And Has Conflict Of Interests. A Bad, Elusive And Poor Administrator.

Hardly do people discuss the solution to the problem other than vitriolic comments against the Fulanis.

Odua1stson:
yeah we are facing the same problem of terrorist fulani herdsmen, but surely those bastards terrorizing the yoruba land will meet their waterloo

Therefore, the appellation of "Fulani" or "herdsman" becomes irrelevant because they are just crass criminals. The bandits owe no allegiance to Nigeria or Fulanis or to animal husbandry as a vocation. Wouldn't it be more counterproductive if you alienate fellow victims and potential allies because they are from the Fulani tribe?

I think the discussion should be about state police and how to ensure proper oversight and funding. The problem facing Southwest is a criminal problem with an anti-criminal solution. Militias and vigilantes cannot be a substitute for state police.

zinizta:
Omo Iran Kiran you say


I am inclined to believe we Yorubas are cowards truly


You and your Iran ki ran enjoy the blade of the Fulani criminals.

Small time dem go blame Igbos .


Yorubas ...Fela don talk am...my people too dey fear... You defend your fatherland, you die, you run like a coward, you still die

No logic.. no sense...

zoedew:
Ogun State Governor Dapo Abiodun has always been more at home in London than Yorubaland. Ensconced in his black armoured Gwagon he never had to worry about the violent Fulani herdsmen! Pitiable observation! Is that the issue! The Fulani have refused to ranch their cattle and they destroy farmlands and trespass on land not theirs grazing cows thereon. That is the issue he should be talking about. A whole household was wiped in Ayetoro in Yewa by the Fulani and this insensitive statement from the Ogun State Governor! Indeed pitiable!! Abiodun does not deserve a second term for being this insensitive to plight of OGUN State citizens he took an oath to protect! The only language the Fulani understand is tough talk backed up by actions that indicate there is no room for criminality in Yoruba and that there would be dire consequences for them if they persist in violent and criminal conduct!

The issue of trespass as a consequence of herding cattle is very much different from crass criminality that the bandits run. Both issues do not have the same solution. Ranching might solve trespass by cattle but not banditry.

Odua1stson:
Imagine this shit coming out from this bastard mouth, herdsmen are not criminals but what. I think these people we called leaders need to be stoned to reset their fucking brain, these people just like to open their stinking mouth and start saying stupid and senseless things.
Pls mr governor who are those killing your people in ogun state

Isn't it likely that bandits operating in Northwest and in Niger State are the same set of people terrorising the Southwest? If bandits afflict the North so easy, why don't you think they can afflict the South?

Don't you think the North and South are facing the same problem?