₦airaland Forum

Are we sure that bandits are not these herdsmen?

Brendaniel:
You do not need any economic data for that, the average purchasing power of every Nigerian that time was better than now, inflation rate was far lesser, as at then 100 naira could feed a whole family, compare the minimum wage that time to what it is now then match it with what 100 naira could do that time and what 100 naira can do now, then you will know what I'm talking about... if you need the breakdown of what 100 naira could purchase then and now, I can give you a break down...

Inflation does not necessarily mean an economy is bad. In fact, it may be good if at a healthy and stable level. Now, the fact people could buy a lot with 100 naira then does not mean people were earning 30k as the minimum wage or earned as much today. recall the minimum wage was much lower, at about 3k. Nigeria's exports were not competitive either.

Economic data remains important.

Brendaniel:
a very big lie, Abacha's government was economically better all the governments in Nigeria since 1999, he was a thief yes but looting was restricted to only a few of his clicks, unlike what we have today, he was a tyrant yes, but he only terrorised politician and big men who stepped on his toes, he had no business with the masses, lastly it was a heavily militarized government which had soldiers everywhere doing the work of police too, but economically Nigeria was better...

And what economic data do you rely on?

What is the standard or measure of performance? What is it measured to?

gunners160:
Truth be told, a lot of those gibberish courses we studied in school back then are no longer needed again and not just law profession.
I think it is high time Nigeria change her curriculum and focus more on science related courses

Sociology, psychology, business admin, criminology, political science etc no get use

It is dangerous to think that these courses are outdated when they are even more crucial. The problem I see is that they are underdeveloped fields.

Xristars:
This is one reason we Should be careful with what we say.
Words are life.
RIP to her.

No, your critical reasoning failed you. Because she died after her statement is not that her statement caused her death. Post hoc ergo propter hoc

Flyingngel:
I know, that was why I mention the Senate.
Transmission laws will be tailored based on each cos the federal government will handover their distribution lines to each state that it is domiciled.
There will nothing like sending it to the national grid except in excess.
What the federal government will with hold will be regulation so that substandard materials will not be used.
Investor will be state based like the Airport that states are building, it is the respective state that are managing it but are being regulated by the federal government thus the state tailored how they want to run it.

So you agree with me that the legislative approach to power should be a federal and centralised legal framework, right?

Flyingngel:
Can somebody tell me why this corrupt Senate will not remove transmission of power from exclusive list to concurrent list so that State government that have capacity to generate can also transmit their power to the end users and also selling the excess to states that are in short supply.
With these many States will go into PPP to build their power plants be it Gas, Coal or Solar powered.
Why is our leaders like running around a circle?

The legislative lists are mainly the competence of each legislature both national and state to make laws on the selected subjects. For power, only the federal legislature can make laws and regulations. Placing power in the concurrent list for 36 states to legislate on, will be chaotic. The single national grid would be subjected to 36 different laws and regulations of varying effects. No reasonable investor would want to put his money into the power sector with that kind of chaos.

darediamond:
Ever give thought to why IMF likes borrowers especially Africans and more importantly NIGERIA a "STRATEGIC COUNTRY"?
THE SCENES BEHIND THE SCENES YOU KNOW ARE NOT THE SAME SCENES BEHIND THE SCENES YOU DO NOT KNOW.

DO YOU REMEMBER HOW ABACHA TREATED I.M.F DURING IS MILITARY REIGN IN NIGERIA AND WHY?

WITH I.M.F .AFRICA IS DOOMED!

But it appears that IMF is able to force the Nigerian govt to take the proper belt tying policies it ought to have pursued without being told. The govt has always known it had an overbloated public sector, yet it did nothing about it. From my view, the govt through its lousy policies has got itself in this position and condition.

Yankee101:
The IMF always trying to control developing countries

Improve imports and flood your country with cheap, substandard foreign products of their masters. They'll never talk of growing local content

All cos of small $3b, which if we had diversified our economy shouldn't be a problem. Okonjo created an excess crude account, Ameachi took her to court to share the money. Today nko?

It is likely that FX value will skyrocket thus making imports less attractive.

isthatso:
Everything is there. I can’t help you if you cannot see, that’s English, I know no other language than the language in the verdict.


It is for him to prove he is the same person since the allegation is that he is not the same person . Since he failed to prove he is the same person on the certificates, then the court has no option but to deliver a verdict of forgery and fraud. Because by inference he has submitted documents that are not his.. The law is not sentimental, the law deals with facts and evidence. It’s simple logic, you have produced documents in conflicting names and failed to prove they are yours. What do you call a man who produces another mans documents to gain an advantage....a fraudster!!!

He is a fraudster and technically speaking he cannot contest an election again in Nigeria for 10 years. If he wants to clear his name he should do the needful and ask waec and his primary school to change his certificates if indeed they are genuine

Bad laws are like ghosts, they will always haunt you.

fergie001:
When you don't know it is a crime..what is it called?

Meaning of IGNORANCE.....are you OK now?

Oga, you asked about the ignorance of the law which bars people from claiming ignorance of the law as a defence against m. Not ignorance within its general meaning.

isthatso:
1. The Supreme Court has not said that irregularity of names or documents is a forgery. Again I stress English is a very precise language and I caution we don’t allow emotion to blur our understanding or comprehension of what is being said.

2. The verdict of forgery is not based on the irregularity of certificates or names alone but the circumstances surrounding the case. You need to read the judgement again paying particular attention starting from page 15 onwards.

3. Btw it also states there since you mentioned in a previous post that Degi’s lawyers dis not dispute the verdict of a lower court that ruled that an affidavit even if properly sworn cannot change the names on a certificate and that it is the body who issued the certificate that must change it.

1. Thankfully we agree on this.

2. What are the surrounding circumstances which the Supreme Court relied on that proves forgery? Because I have read the relevant portions of the judgment back and forth, and I saw no circumstances justifying its decision of forgery which was not factually proven by signature and handwriting experts.

3. Assuming that is the case, then it is that he had no recognizable certificates at all in the fictional eye of the law but not forgery.

fergie001:
Since you didn't answer the question....No P.

You can go on...

Ignorance of the law does not apply here because Degi's case is of forgery and not that he he forged his certificates and he argued in defence that he did not know it was a crime or wrong.

fergie001:
Is ignorance an excuse in the court of law?

The law works with facts. The law is found in the law books. The facts are found in documents and in the mouth of witnesses during trial. The question of foregry is within the ambit of facts which the law is applied to. Goofing is not the same with forgery or falsification.

isthatso:
@ kay17

as for the law on change of name and certificates? I am not a lawyer, you have google you can search for the law which I am sure exists. I Am satisfied based on 2 reasons. Firstly, 5 Supreme Court justices have delivered on the matter of affidavit, even if there was no written law, it has now become the law by this judgement. An affidavit is one of most basic things in law, if 5 Supreme Court justices cannot get what constitutes a valid affidavit, then we are in trouble. Secondly it makes sense to prevent a situation where I just pick up another man’s certificate, swear an affidavit that I am the person on the certificate and benefit from that without the body that issued the certificate corroborating the affidavit..does that make sense to you? It makes sense that I should first swear an affidavit and then go to the body that issued the certificate with the affidavit to issue a corrected certificate. I believe somebody mentioned 2 examples where the same thing happened to him or a known person and he had to go to Waec/ unical with the affidavits to be issued with a fresh certificate.

The Supreme Court works with precedents. Precedents are formed by its previous decisions. And the Supreme Court applies the law and not create it. There is a concept known as consistency of law. It means that the law should be universally applicable in all circumstances even in exceptions. Exceptions themselves often serve the purpose of the general principles. So if the Supreme Court decides that irregularity of names or documents is forgery, then it must accept in every other cases that comes before it.

fergie001:
Let me bring it down...
Leave this grammar..

INEC doesn't have the power to reject a nominated candidate of a political party even if he/she falters in any part of our constitution.. Only the Courts can.
It's well stated in Section 31 of the Electoral Act ammended 2010. So even if was wrong and INEC noticed it, they will do nothing about it.

Don't ever use an affidavit to suffice for any change in your certificate. Only the certification body has that right to correct whatever is wrong on your certificate.
There is nothing like it depends on the institution.
Be it waec, NYSC, neco, FSLC, first degree, masters, PhD whatever...

I repeat only the certification body can do that. Not just an affidavit.

Affidavit is one of the requirements you will take to the certification body to effect the correction but only the certification body...I repeat..only that certification body can make that correction.

Again, so the Supreme Court will begin to read the Registry Act there and probably tell who is a man and a woman. When Degi appeared everywhere, how did Adegi come about?

Why do you think he had two affidavits on same day?
You think he was stupid to do that?

His not naming the Notary Public, you think he was stupid about that?

You are even justifying it for him in your first answer.....what if there was an unnamed Notary Public (does that not give him away already)?

If Degi and Biobarakuma reflects consistently...how did Biobagha come in?

How did Biobakunmo reflect?

Please.

Haba
........EoD...let's give it up already, the man goofed!

The fact the man goofed about legal procedure does not mean he deliberately intended to forge documents.

mushystuff:
Yes the court did. The high court already did actually and then the Supreme court affirmed the judgement of the high court while quashing that of the court of appeal.
The court stated clearly that only the issuing authority 9f a certificate has the power to correct or effect name changes if the owner of such certificate claims there was an error or something fundamental was added or removed. He didn't comply with that.

Mis-arrangement is 'ABC'; CAB' for example. Meaning those same names will appear consistently but perhaps not on the same order. In this instance however, you have:
1. Degi Biobragha (First School Leaving Certificate)
2. Adegi Brokumo (WAEC/GCE)
3. Degi Biobarakuma Wanagwa (First Degree)

He then swears affidavits claiming his correct names are:
4. Biobarakuma Degi (9 Aug 2018)
5. Biobarakuma Wanagha Degi Eremienyo (18 Sept 2018)

How much consistency is there to these names? Why would 2 affidavits sworn within 1 month of each other have such differences in names when he isn't a woman that maybe got married and took on her husband's name?

In debates, I always believe there are common grounds between those at the opposite sides of a discourse. So let's agree on one thing first, irregularity of a name and arrangement on certificates is not the same as forgery or falsification. Forgery requires a deliberate intent and not negligence or carelessness where a person fails to complain about the irregularity of his name to WAEC or JAMB or his university. Forgery is not the same as a person as a typical Nigerian is with being careless about the proper and legal procedure.

Can we agree on that for starters?

isthatso:
Nigerians are funny people, the constitution and electoral law are there, they won’t google to see what the law says.. The judgement is there front page of the thread, they won’t read it. You post these things here in case they don’t know how to use google and they still will ignore them and be raising matters that have been answered.

You can’t cure a lazy man! Today they will say they are educated, tomorrow these are the same people that will be forging documents nobody required them to submit

Point out from the judgment the particular law the Supreme Court relied to say a change of name is not by an affidavit?

isthatso:
Nigerians are funny people, the constitution and electoral law are there, they won’t google to see what the law says.. The judgement is there front page of the thread, they won’t read it. You post these things here in case they don’t know how to use google and they still will ignore them and be raising matters that have been answered.

You can’t cure a lazy man! Today they will say they are educated, tomorrow these are the same people that will be forging documents nobody required them to submit

Irregularity and misarrangement of names is not the same as forgery. Forgery is a criminal offence that it is not proven with affidavit evidence but a full blown trial. Besides isn't the purpose of a forgery defeated where the forgery doesn't reflect the correct arrangement of name?

fergie001:
At the bolded.....How can you determine how true or untrue that is?

Three questions;
Firstly, Do you realise that the Notary Public institution is nameless?

Secondly, Do you know the process of a change of name or date of birth on any certificate?

Thirdly, Does an affidavit alone suffice for a correction on certificates?

Thanks...

1. Assuming the declaration of 2018 was invalid because of an unnamed notary public, don't you see some consistency in all the names given by Degi. Aside from the middle name Wangagha, the surname Degi and the name Biobarakuma reflect clearly.

2. Change of name is traditionally in form of declarations on oath and affidavits and sometimes a publication to the general public. Each institution has its rules on what form it accepts. The purpose of declarations and affidavits are to force a person to swear on oath the truth of the representations he is making on the pain of perjury. Therefore taking declarations and affidavits beyond mere utterances.

3. It depends on the institution involved. INEC accepted it. Most institutions are satisfied with affidavits and declarations. Besides aside from the Oaths Act, there is no law, black letter, that states how change of name should be done. And the Supreme Court judgement did not state the legal framework it was relying to say an affidavit did not suffice. It didn't say it drew inspiration from the Constitution or any other statute or case law.

SpecialAgent:
Buharis case is not as confusing as this,
You see, people have one mistake or the other on their certificates, but not as much as this Man from Bayelsa. EVERY single one of his certificates bares different names. NOT REARRANGEMENT WOH, but totally different names, some even get addition sef. Something is seriously wrong

This is untrue. Degi was consistent in all the documents. Wahanaga appears to be a middle omitted and Biobarakmu had some letters missing which is understandable because Nigerian schools are likely to mess up names they are unfamiliar with especially those of ethnic minorities.

His WAEC certificate in 1984 had Adegi Biobakuma
The declaration of statutory age in 1990 had the name: Biobarakuma Degi
His Rivers State Uni certificate had Degi, Biobarakuma
The notary public declaration in 2018 had Biobarakuma Wangahga Degi

The misspelling on his WAEC was corrected with his uncle's declaration of age even when no one contemplated that he would run for office. Subsequent to that the surname was always placed first before his name. The middle name comes after in 2018. The Supreme Court didn't tell us what was on his First School Leaving Certificate in 1978.

To be sincere, most Nigerians have experienced these issues even on international passports. Middle names are almost extinct on our certificates. And people are not too exact on the arrangement of names.

mushystuff:
First, the Justice Ejembi Eko who delivered the lead judgement is Male and not female. Perhaps you are under the impression as some others, that because the panel was led by Justice Mary Odili, she also authored the judgment. Panels are always led by the most senior in hierarchy who may not necessarily author the lead judgement; for this panel Justice Mary is the most senior.

Secondly, forgery does not necessarily mean that there must be someone else that bears the names other than the one claiming them. The issue arose from having dissimilar names on multiple documents, claiming ownership of all and yet not using the proper legal means of correcting names if you claim they are wrong. It is on these basis that the Supreme court arrived at its decision and properly chastised the Court of Appeal for agreeing with some preposterous positions canvassed by the respondent.

How is a misarrangment of your names false information? Did the Supreme Court take evidence of what it takes to change one's name on a certificate?

isthatso:
He swore an affidavit before a notary public but the notary public was not named...therefore legally that Affidavit is null and void.

Secondly the law says it is only the person who issued a certificate that can change the particulars of that certificate, so in any event the affidavit even if it were a valid document would have no legal consequence.

Which law stated that? The Constitution?

Iamgrey5:
Actually this further proves the judgment was very political


There's no evidence the certificates were
forged


No one came forward that the other names belonged to them


Forgery is a serious criminal case that needs to be proved beyond reasonable doubt.

It is shocking that an originating summons was used to determine a fraudulent presentation of information. Besides Nigerians hardly cconcern themselves with how they arrange their names. There was a string of consistency in his name, the arrangement was scattered, accepted, but that does not mean it was fraudulent.

Esseite:
The Honest truth is okada and keke business kept a lot of Nigerians LAZY...

Now people are growing up with ambition of riding okada/keke.

People are leaving Vocational skill aquisition for keke and okada riding..

When a carpenter quits to riding okada
When a tiler quits to riding okada
When a plumber quits to riding keke..
Mechanics quiting to ride okada..

It destroys the future.

I think you ought to blame the underlying economic forces at work. Maybe vocational skills don't pay as much as before or that the skills are not meeting the most basic needs people have. Invariably people migrate to greener fields.

Bscholarly:
By: Edeh Samuel Chukwuemeka

There is also the ingenious judicial law making. Law making by interpretation and filling up the gaps the legislature didn't see but which public paulse dictates.

doubleportion:
You had said all!a true love is rooted in sacrifice, love is not about you,it's about how to please your lover. The fact that you are seeking for a true love signified that you are selfish. What about you try to proof how much you love somebody?.1 cor 13 said it all look for those qualities both in yourself and your partner.

I don't think that's what he meant. He definitely didn't say true love is in sacrifice rather there is a shift in value to finding responsible people who look beyond uphoria of true love for the greater good and achievement marriage can offer.

OladimejiRufai:
Well, I have an advice for you my boy @OP

From this moment, stop looking for true love

I'm not implying that you cannot find it but stop looking for it.

Rather start looking for a lady who is psychologically wired to always do the right thing and has a very advanced understanding of life.

See, in most cases, love is transient.

Sometimes, people fall in love because they fell into a moment where they perceived something that touched their heart from the other person. And then moments later, they find out that the feelings are lost.

sometimes, people fall in love because there's constant communication or commitment between both persons and they are just lost in the fun of it and think they are in love. If something happens that distracts one of them from achieving the constant communication or commitment to the other person, they find that they lose the love gradually.

sometimes, people's love for another person is usually connected to some features of that person that fascinates them or blows them away.

"oh, the guy is funny." "the girl is intelligent" "the guy is charming" "the girl is georgous" e.t.c and they continue to fall in love so far these qualities are present. But what happens when they lose those qualities or those qualities gradually fade away? that's how the love will also be lost or will gradually fade away.

So in most cases, love is transient. This is proven by the many broken relationships where you hear from both sides that they have fallen out of love.

So if a person were to enter a marriage because of love, he or she is likely to be no more interested in the marriage eventually and may crave attention or love elsewhere and may want to break up the marriage.

That's the reason why I said you should look for someone with a larger and better understanding of life and who is psychologically wired to do the right thing.

this is because when it gets to the stage in a marriage where both spouses have fallen out of love, for people who do not fulfil the said criteria (no understanding of life or being wired to do the right thing), they would want to break up or would start seeking love elsewhere and they many end up cheating etc.

But for someone who fulfils that criteria;

- someone who understands that this life is not a bed of roses and it is not everything you want that you get;

- someone who understands that the purpose of marriage is not necessarily to love rather it is to show care, support each other, become responsible, help each other achieve desired goals and for mankind to multiply (procreation);

- someone who understands that there is time for everything and there are some certain pleasures that should not be sought at all stages of life or the pleasures should be limited at some point in time (imagine a 45 year old woman complaining that her husband doesn't take her out for shopping or so like he used to when she was still 25 when she should be more concerned about caring for the kids that she didn't have then but have now and focus on making them successful in life)

- someone who understands that this life itself is a place of trials and there'll always be sour times or times when you would have to forgo your heart desires for the right thing to be done;

- someone who understands that the pleasures of the hereafter are far greater than those of this life and is more concerned about that and because of that, he or she gives up some pleasures in this world just for the right thing to be done.

- someone who has values, who understands cheating is bad, who understands that it is an evil thing to extort or deceive a partner for personal gains, who knows how to control anger and doesn't expect perfection from the other partner, who understands that for a marriage to work, both sides must be committed to it, who understands that deceiving a partner and extorting him should not be the measure by which you "make it in life", and who is psychologically wired to follow all those values;

So for someone who has a better understanding of life and is wired to do the right thing, such are the people who stay in a marriage when there's no more "love" or when they have fallen out of love and continue to try everything to make it work till the end.

So this is what you should be looking for, for "true love" Is scarce.

If eventually you are able to find true love in a partner that fulfils the above criteria, then consider it a plus, consider it a blessing and thank God for it.

My piece!

Flesh and blood could not have revealed this to you. But the hard lessons from the matrimonial experience. Very thoughtful.

A persistent problem is obvious here: the federal government has so many commitments across the federation that it can not meet up with its resources. The states need to be empowered to take up some of these responsibilities.

While the FG invests in rail and shipping infrastructure the states can do likewise with roads.

dre11:
https://www.dailytrust.com.ng/the-many-faces-of-bank-charges.html


The bank charges discussed here are not exhaustive. Let us know what you think as you make comments.

Bank charges on cash, POS and cheques might even be better for a cashless policy because it could trigger a shift away from the banking system to fin-tech platforms like e-currencies. I learnt tencent and Alibaba have payment platforms that render bank accounts redundant.

tohyorsih2:
Are you still an atheist?

Suffered a conversion