₦airaland Forum

madridguy:
Remove subsidy but don't increase fuel price. Shikena

This doesn't even make any sense whatsoever. Did you even think about what you wrote?

The question isn't who was the first to achievements, but rather what is each group doing now. Igbos have pulled themselves up from their bootstrap and fast catching up. They are unhindered with shackles of Islam so they'll tend to surpass yoruba achievements anytime from now.

Adopting Arabic way of life by yoruba muslims will be our downfall. We can practice the religion with our own progressive culture like it's done in Indonesia Malaysia and Singapore without the backward looking Arab culture.

This is from a Yoruba.

We can't continue to subsidize what we can't as afford.

The mecca bullshit doesn't make sense chronologically since our exposure is 7500 to 10000 years ago. Islam is a relatively new religion. Our arrival here predates the founding of all that mecca BS by approximately 5000 to 7500 years.

Cultures also influence each other and correlation isn't necessarily causation.

zik4ever:
http://www.dailytrust.com.ng/news/general/ex-heads-of-state-got-armoured-cars-from-dasuki/124399.html#bzEo71xeRZhWO2Sv.99

Spending "security" votes to "secure" our heads of states and presidents is well within the jurisdiction of the national "security" agency.

I highlighted the relevant connection for those slow on the uptake.

This guy breaks it down and mixes it with Bantu expansion
http://www.unz.com/gnxp/back-to-africa-and-the-bantu-explosion/

Found this interesting
"But the masking of Eurasian ancestry also highlighted something important: the genetic variation across African populations once you remove Eurasian ancestry is not that high. This is curious in light of the truism that most genetic variation in humans is found within Africa, but as Nick Patterson pointed out to me years ago: this applies to variation within populations, not across them. Since most variation is not partitioned across populations that explains why Africans can be so genetically varied despite exhibiting not too high between population variation. After masking Eurasian ancestry the mean pairwise Fst was ~0.015. To give a sense of perspective, the Fst between Northern Italians and Lithuanians is 0.01. The Fst between the Ethiopian African ancestry (so Eurasian segments are masked) and other African populations is still 0.027, on average (the distance between Lithuanians and Southern Italians is 0.015). This reinforces the fact that the African ancestors of Ethiopians are somewhat atypical (further confirmed by the relative inaccuracy of imputation from public data sets)."



For those research inclined. Read the supplementary notes and data that has the methodology, sample size, test control etc etc

Notes
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v517/n7534/extref/nature13997-s1.pdf

Data
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v517/n7534/extref/nature13997-s2.pdf

macof:
Yes, I believe some of the people we mixed with inherited some white genes. But still a long shot.
This proposed Eurasian gene could have come anyway possible ..7500 years ago?
Isn't it supposed to be insignificant already?

If it was insignificant, it wouldn't have been detected repeatedly. Remember the study was for how differences in genetics affects diseases. So it could offer some insight into generic cures etc. Beyond my pay grade

macof:
How do you know Oduduwa mentioned Nimrod? How come Ife chiefs don't know any Nimrod?
What are you saying? Oduduwa was arab but had no Arabian influence Wtf!

Btw I think I've told you once before that there's no proof a "Nimrod" existed. Ninurta is the Summerian deity of hunt and war. ..similar to what yoruba see as Ogun. The patron City of Ninurta is what the arabs call "Namrud" . The genesis authors were just ignorant of what they were trying to copy from the Mesopotamian nations. .hence to the hebrews "Nimrod" became a great hunter warrior who established Summer

Don't know about all these historical figures, Nimrod and Lamurudu. They could all be fables for all I care, we just have scientific proof that we carry Eurasian and Neanderthal genes. The rest is trying to conform science to religious text.

macof:
ok so no people are isolated means that oduduwa (a Meccan, according to you) had a Sumerian ancestor he always introduced as his father?

But why is yoruba culture short of arab influence? The Obaship is nothing like what came out of the Arab world... can you explain that?
AS My brother 9jacrip has said.. there's a school of thought that Oduduwa was from Oke Ora area. .

Contemporary Arab culture is way different from the heavy Islamic influence which only began 1400-1600 years ago. The Arabs had regional cultures and you can see nuggets of the differences in the old testament, ancient Babylonian and Sumerian texts.

macof:
Well, a back migration seems interesting
But how reliable is this? 7500 years ago. .
Btw were the adequate samples taken as specimen?
Yorubas have never been an isolated people. We mingle with people we come across. ..what about recent migrations into Yorubaland from Edo, northern nigeria, other parts of west africa, brazil

It's a controlled study, so the results have been repeated some amount of time. The "back to Africa" theory is quite out there if you search, but I wanted to stick to funded research study with meaning.

This blog has a lot of literature. Apparently the presence of Eurasian genes csn be as high as 6-7% admixture.

http://dienekes..com/2015/10/west-eurasian-admixture-throughout.html?m=1


This also controlled study "Ancient west Eurasian ancestry in southern and eastern Africa" which also touches Yoruba. Some of the tribes we mixed with inherited some white genes.

http://m.pnas.org/content/111/7/2632.full

macof:
7,500 to 10,000 years ago. . long past
Probably neanderthal remnants mixing with Homo sapiens of central Africa. .before the ancestors of the likes of yoruba, igbo etc moved westwards

"Our finding of ancient Eurasian admixture corroborates findings of non-zero Neanderthal ancestry in Yoruba, which is likely to have been introduced through Eurasian admixture and back migration, possibly facilitated by greening of the Sahara desert during this period13, 14."

Neanderthal didn't roam around in Africa.

gatiano:
I did not say The Ndigbo share DNA with the akhenazi/johny come lately arabs that are there now. Few amongst many so called tribes in Africa and 100% Africans in diaspora are the direct descendant of Yahweh and The Elohim. Do you have the DNA of the Elohim?

I don't use religion to vindicate science. If science vindicates religion then fine. According to some studies, modern human origin is linked to the plains of East Africa, if it started by a dude called Elohim then we all carry his DNA.

OPCNAIRALAND:
My brother,
This is good job. Thank you for raising this awareness and enlightenement.

I dont think any Yoruba deny that Lamurudu was a King in Eurasia (Afro-asia to be more pointed) or that there was a migration led by Oduduwa to Ife.

The two camps contend the primordial origin of Lamurudu and Oduduwa or of Yorubas generally.

One says Yoruba were a people of Afro-asia and only migrated one way, from Assyria, Egypt, Sudan, Cansan, Mecca, Mondiana and so on.

The other camp says yes, this is so, but they migrated out of their primordial root in Ile Ife and spread to Afro-asia but later returned home. To them, they have the full spectrum and the other camp only has half.

This ya scientifi report is what i call 'drop it like its hot'....hahahahaha, lmao,

Na waa o!!

We waka commot Africa, from only God knows where, mixed, and came back to present day Ile-Ife. Ife, according to science is one of the most ancient and continously inhabited cities in the world. Same as Benin.

lawani:
Lamurudu is Nimrod, the first post flood King of Sumeria over 5 thousand years ago. He was no father of Oduduwa but an ancestor. If I landed in 10th century China and they made me King, I would describe myself as a son of Oduduwa because I know it will be traceable in future, not because he was my direct father.

I wouldn't know nor say its Nimrod nor if Lamurudu ever really existed. What we have is concrete scientific proof that we mixed with Eurasia circa 7500-10000 years ago. Accounts of griots, especially since they weren't mostly written, just indicates historical acknowledgment of ancient facts. Just like people in the middle east acknowledge a major flood like thousands of years ago which you find in jewish, Assyrian and Babylonian texts.

Read an NIH funded study on The African Genome Variation Project shapes medical genetics in Africa. This is a controlled and scientific study and not based on conjectures.



Here is the official study sponsored by NIH (You need PubMed access to read it)
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25470054

Here is a free version
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v517/n7534/full/nature13997.html

No DNA evidence to support igbo and Hebrew admixture.

brainbucks:
Last Days

Last days of what?

As a yoruba man, I have always laughed at the historical claims that Oduduwa's father, Lamurudu, migrated from the middle east. It just sounded laughable at that time. But I came across some DNA studies funded by the National Institute of Health NIH in the USA titled "The African Genome Variation Project shapes medical genetics in Africa." which supports the claims that ou r ancestors came from the midle east. A scientific theory called back to Africa.
The evidence presented is from a serious study on human origins and disease susceptibility, detailed characterization of African genetic diversity. It reveales the little nugget of our ancient exposure to europeans/asians. The Yorubas have Eurasia gene admixture that dates thousands of years ago. The quote is below:

HG = Hunter Gatherer
Eurasia = Europe/Asia
SSA = Sub Sahara Africa

"We found evidence for historically complex and regionally distinct admixture with multiple HG and Eurasian populations across SSA (Fig. 2 and Supplementary Note 5). Specifically, ancient Eurasian admixture was observed in central West African populations (Yoruba; ~7,500–10,500 years ago), old admixture among Ethiopian populations (~2,400–3,200 years ago) consistent with previous reports10, 12, and more recent complex admixture in some East African populations (~150–1,500 years ago) (Fig. 2, Extended Data Fig. 7 and Supplementary Note 5). Our finding of ancient Eurasian admixture corroborates findings of non-zero Neanderthal ancestry in Yoruba, which is likely to have been introduced through Eurasian admixture and back migration, possibly facilitated by greening of the Sahara desert during this period13, 14."

Not only the Eurasia admixture they also have Neanderthal genes just like they have in native Eurasian population. SO it seems we went out of Africa, mixed and came back to Africa which is similar to the whole Oduduwa-Lamurudu claims. It's really an intriguing find and just corroborates whats griots have been saying.

Here is the official study sponsored by NIH (You need PubMed access to read it)
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25470054

Here is a free version
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v517/n7534/full/nature13997.html





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