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Dedetwo:
Per the bolded, this is a political misconception encouraged by the liberal wing of USA society. USA economy will not notice a dent if all immigrants are shutout.

Lolz. I laugh in swahili but will end this line of argument not to side track the thread.

lawrenceunaa:
have u solve brown zinc/ roofs
Upon all the money ur fake leaders stole yet their roof top remained brown

Brown roofs is our rustic charm. Keeping our sense of ancient and continous civilization in the SW.

You don't See Rome, London, Paris, Timbuktu etc destroying their ancient buildings.

APChangeZombie:
And you will later condemn Trump for wanting to build a wall between the US and Mexico

What does Trump have to do with anything? American economy relies heavily on the backs of immigrants both legal and illegal. Immigrants anywhere are hardworking and they contribute but they are mostly criminals when you find them in big cities such as Los Angeles, New York, San Francisco etc. In those cities the competition is more qualitative, based on intellectual capacity, which an illegal immigrant, probably intelligent, but not equipped with the right educational qualifications and class structure to compete in. So you find them resorting to organized crime and theft.

Ask any American if they will complain about illegal immigration only if all illegal immigrants stay in the farmlands; tilling the land and producing cash crops or if they only hide in the shadows of construction business!


But let's not get sidetracked. This is not about America.

APChangeZombie:
You don't start a poultry with fully matured chickens - you go for hatchlings or juveniles.

You don't need to attract the rich but ensure the upcoming and hardworking law abiding aspiring young people a conducive and safe Enviroment to work and live peaceful.

Allow genuine business to blossom by getting rid of all the jobless touts who have been constituted as tax officials by the state.

Stop discriminatory attitude to your fellow Nigerians based on tribal hatred and jealousy.

The major nuisances in Lagos are drawn from neighbouring SW states .

Lagos is a service based economy or it's positioned to be one so it needs to attract and retain middle-income earners. The low income people can go to cheaper neighboring states and stop constituting a nuisance in a state with high cost of living. For every New York, we have a New Jersey.

I wouldn't know the demographic makeup of the destitutes. I am not a demographer or statistician and I guess neither are you. So stop with the tribalistic BS.

Lagos only needs enough low income people to work in domestic capacity. A floodgate of low income people is undesirable, they compete for resources that are limited and don't contribute anything towards development via taxes or charity.

APChangeZombie:
You are not Dubai or London.

Why should rich people come to your village slum city?

Rich people see the opportunities in the slum while the poor people seek social safety nets. Population powers growth and development, see India as an example with all its slums.

APChangeZombie:
The same population that you guys said was slowing down Lagos ? And to which you justified depopulating Lagos via illegal deportations?


Typical change mouthers

We need more middle-income earners than a poor population. So getting rid of not so productive and attracting or keeping the productive is good for the state.

You want to call animal rights movement on him?

asorocker:
The decline of the oil industry is going to be worse on the states of Lagos and kano.

Lagos because an analysis of the igr of Lagos shows that Lagos derived it's revenue from the income tax and the income tax bulk is from the oil workers whose offices are in Lagos.
The oil and gas component of the Lagos igr is more than 40% of the igr. Income tax paid by high earning oil and gas industry executive who gross average of N5m monthly has helped Lagos


Secondly kano will be the worst hit as the only state whose take home is equivalent to the take home of niger delta states with their 13% derivative.

Kano doesn't have the human capital to generate income tax.

Third state /city is Abuja. It is said that Abuja was built with oil money, where would the money to sustain and maintain Abuja come from if not the same money from niger delta.

Some states like kwara, benue, adamawa can easily with agriculture fight the downturn of their economy, how would sokoto, yobe, jigawa whose populace don't farm and whose land is far from economic centres for export of agricultural products survive.

The next in line are the hausa cities of katsina, batching, kaduna who benefitted from the lopsided federal allocations. Now that the oil wealth is going and there is no human capital we hope they will not turn to insurgency as a means of raising attention and revenue.

The states that would enjoy and be kings in the new dispensation.

Anambra, Nigeria's brain box and commercial hub will have its non oil economy growth unequalled and unrivaled. Anambra survived with no oil allocation managed the little it had and built an enabling environment for investments.

Akwa Ibom, this state was blessed with resources and good managers who used it very well to grow infrastructure and are currently working on a sea port.

Abia this state hosts aba, Nigeria's city of enterprise and football, aba is living beyond oil already.

Why do you think Lekki Free Trade zone is being built or the Lagos State Deep Sea Port #4 or Eko Atlantic or the 600,000 BPD Dangote refinery?

Lagos State has vision and foresight with the economy rivaled only with countries. As long as it has a huge population all Lagos has to do is execute on going projects.

Same can be said for Kano. The people that will feel the impact are businesses and regions that are solely based on importation of finished goods. With the dollar rationalization and import limits, they will have to look elsewhere.

Saudi Arabia has raised domestic energy prices by as much as 40 percent after the world's leading oil producer announced a record $98bn budget deficit on Monday citing rock-bottom global petroleum prices.

The budget deficit is the highest in the history of Saudi Arabia, but was not as big as some expected. The International Monetary Fund had projected a deficit of $130bn.

The kingdom has seen a sharp drop in revenues as oil prices have fallen more than 60 percent since mid-2014 to below $40 a barrel.

Public revenues are the lowest since 2009 when oil prices dived as a result of the global financial crisis. Saudi income for 2015 was 15 percent lower than projections and 42 percent less than in 2014.

In order to address the situation, the Gulf kingdom has set the price of 95 octane gasoline at 0.90 riyals ($0.24) per litre up from 0.60 riyals per litre - a hike of 40 percent. The price increase takes effect on Tuesday, the official SPA news agency said on its Twitter account.

The decision came hours after the ministry of finance said it will slash subsidies for electricity, water, diesel and kerosene over the next five years.
Revenues were estimated at $162bn - well below projections and 2014 income, while spending came in at $260bn, finance ministry officials announced at a press conference in the capital, Riyadh.

"About 80-90 percent of government income comes from oil," Walid Arab Hashem, an economist and former member of the Saudi Shura Council, told Al Jazeera.

But he said Saudi Arabia has huge foreign reserves above $700bn that it can use to finance the gap in the budget.

"It may also issue some bonds to borrow from the market depending which is better for it," Hashem said from the Saudi city of Jeddah.

Huge reserves

The budget document said any changes would be structured to minimise the negative effects on lower and middle-income citizens.

A number of structural economic reforms - including "privatising a range of sectors and economic activities" - would also be planned, the finance ministry added without giving details.

"If we look at the actual spending in 2016, it is very similar to the budget of 2015," Hashem said. "There was no strain on banking and there was no strain on liquidity."
Riyadh maintained high spending this year and launched an expensive military intervention in Yemen by tapping into the huge fiscal reserves it accumulated when oil prices were high.

"I don't think Saudi Arabia is in any difficult position. It's a very rich economy. It has huge reserves that have been piled up from 2005," Hashem added.

"It has enough reserves that will last several years in the future even it draws $100bn a year."

The leading member of Organisation of Petroleum Producing Countries (OPEC) has maintained high output despite requests from some members such as Venezuela to cut production to fix the prices.

"$140 a barrel was not sustainable and $30-45 still not sustainable. It is going to change," Hashem said.

"Saudi Arabia has one of the lowest costs to produce oil in the world. By what logic are we expecting Saudi Arabia to increase the price of oil when Russia, America, or even Iran and Iraq - who have much higher costs for producing oil - are maintaining their prices."

Source: Al Jazeera and agencies

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/12/saudi-arabia-hikes-petrol-prices-40-pump-151228154350415.html

When you know how much run flat tires on BMW costs then you won't be surprised with the amount budgeted for his fleet.

Adminisher:
Please for get farming. The environment is destroyed and you guys are pampering oil pipeline vandalizers. The Niger Delta us the only region with zero plans for the future.

Cross Rivers and Akwa Ibom in the SS have plans.

Oil isn't exactly dead, we still have petrochemical industry. SW have a lead in that courtesy of Dangote's private refinery.

I really hope people got educated. Thanks to everybody that contributed, we should talk about what it takes to be granted a referendum where there hasn't been any.

zendy:
You can't live acient history out. It is acient history that made you a Nigerian

So how is it applicable when you can't invalidate what has been constituted. Do you want me to cry over spilt milk? Kanu, IPOB leader, is answering Sir to a Nigerian judge and at the mercy of our judicial system.

I don't like wasting my time on fantasy. The reality is what we live, breath, eat and s#it. So let's talk about where we are not what could have been. It's like saying N gbati N gbati. ..lolz

zendy:
your country and by extension, your constitution are both illegal since no one ever gave their mandate for the formation of Nigeria. How can you claim to be married when you never had a wedding?

Have you been able to prove it in any court?

Is the country still a legal entity and sovereign state?

Opinions doesn't move a needle. Pocket your emotions and let's focus on what's tangible.

zendy:
I'm an Igbo man. My ancestors never signed any document to become Nigerians, infact, we actually fought the British in the Ekumeku war and the Arochukwu war. Nobody signed anything to be Nigerians. Even the Kings of the Ijaws, the Ibibios and even Yorubas only signed treaties of trade and protection with the British. None of them ever gave up their sovereignty. If you want Nigeria, then that is fine, but you must not force anyone to be nigerian with you. That why a referendum must be conducted to undo the sacrilege commited by Lugard when he made us all Nigerians against our will

Let's leave all the ancient history aside and focus on the assumption that you indeed got your referendum and enough votes. Secession is illegal in our Constitution, so how do you make it legal?

zendy:
I'm an Igbo man. My ancestors never signed any document to become Nigerians, infact, we actually fought the British in the Ekumeku war and the Arochukwu war. Nobody signed anything to be Nigerians. Even the Kings of the Ijaws, the Ibibios and even Yorubas only signed treaties of trade and protection with the British. None of them ever gave up their sovereignty. If you want Nigeria, then that is fine, but you must not force anyone to be nigerian with you. That why a referendum must be conducted to undo the sacrilege commited by Lugard when he made us all Nigerians against our will

You are not reading the thread. Let's take all your forefathers rights etc, etc and etc and you indeed conduct referendum and win. How good is it if it can't be established legally without a constitutional amendment is the question. This is not a gragra thread.

HiddenShadow:
And you think Kanu has not set in motion such

Let me tell you his game plan

If Nigeria fails to treat Igbos well , all Igbos will accept his view to breakout forcefully

This will see lots of Igbos invest in his idea leading to a forceful breakout



That's why Nigeria should negotiate now that there is time before it is late

I hope you are not a university graduate.

You definitely have Internet access, so do your self a favor and read. Do some research and get educated. In as much as you love and trust kanu. You should trust your brain more.

Don't waste your online access without feeding on knowledge. Wisdom after knowledge is optional but ignorance is not an excuse.

zendy:
The 'sovereinghty' you are talking about is illegal if it was stolen. Lord Lugard stole the sovereinghty of the indigenous people of a West Africa in other to create Nigeria and this renders the union of Nigeria and its constitution illegal. The only way to right this wrong is a referendum

Focus man. Separate what you think from reality/actuality.

Does UN and all the countries in the world reason with your opinion or see us as a sovereign country?

Dedetwo:
I am not quite sure of this bolded statement. Most soldiers for hire were war veterans.

That's a result of seeing warfare and PTSD.

I won't go into the details of war and it's not some fancy I kill your soldiers and we kill yours situation. Let's not get into gory details. This topic is supposed to be legal.

HiddenShadow:
Nobody will lobby with any region

Once UN referendum takes place its all over.


Negotiate now before it is too late

By now you should have learned there is no such thing as a UN referendum without war, carnage, massacre for years. In the case of the only one done, it took 30 years of war in Sudan. And war still is no guarantee for a UN referendum.

Read people!!!

baralatie:
Oooh!he wants the war option don't bug your head!

Anybody that has seen war will never opt for that option. It's an insane proposition to successful and not so successful people. I'll spare the details of war and just call this bragado.

Even war does not guarantee you a favorable result.

Dedetwo:
Per the bolded, you in particular have harped all morning about what or what not is entrenched in 1999 Nigerian constitution. Are you this aloft?

Does the federal government of Nigeria recognize 1999 constitution? Let's forget your opinion of the said constitution, since it's only your personal entitlement and means nothing in the grand scheme of things.

HiddenShadow:
When Referendum takes place and most wants out, Nigeria has no choice but to accept.

If Nigeria refuses to accept , I will tell you what will happen if only mods like mynd won't ban me.

You have to lobby other regions represented in NASS to help amend the constitution.

LIke I said before, the more this is discussed the less you find viable paths to achieve Biafra. No easy paths to tread. One will involve a lot of apologies and ass kissing which the indigenes simply can't do, the other will guarantee loss of lives and property. Either path does not guarantee a favorable outcome.

HiddenShadow:
I laugh at people who thinks that UN referendum can't take place in Nigeria when it took place in Britain/ Scotland.

Nigeria better negotiate now that there is time

Referendum can take place in Nigeria. Implementation of a favorable outcome would not be constitutional unless you amend our Constitution to support the secesion that comes with the result of the referendum.

I thought people understood my post.

Dedetwo:
I guess such plans are not meant for public consumption.

Buhahaha. Funny.

zendy:
[b] Some people make me laugh. The constition is not greater than the people. When it comes to the issue of Nigeria and the secession question, there are important questions to answer:


Who mandated Lugard to create Nigeria?

Did Lugard seek the permission of the indigenous ethnic such as Yoruba, Hausa and Igbos before he lumped them together?

Did the ethnic groups willingly give up their sovereignty for the creation of Nigeria?

Answering these questions, one finds out that Nigeria is an illegal entity. A fraud has no legitimacy. When Lugard created Nigeria with the 1914 amalgamation, he inserted a clause in it that after one hundred years, any of the ethnic nationalities which was not happy with Nigeria was free to go. Something similar happend with Hong Kong. Britain signed an agreement to control Hong Kong for 100 years. In 1997 after 100 years, Britain withdrew administration of Hong Kong. The reason why referendum is very important is because it is the only thing which grants a country legitimacy. Nigeria remains an illegal entity without it [/b]

Let me help you answer this

1. That angle was explored by Oduduwa group and Niger Delta while they were agitating on the eve of the so called expiry date. Here is what they found out from SAN lawyers and I quote:

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Will Nigeria expire legally today?…lawyers tackle ethnic nationalities
December 31, 2013 at 2:00 am

By HUGO ODIOGOR, CLIFFORD NDUJIHE & WAHAB ABDULAH

CONTROVERSIES ruled the polity, yesterday, over whether or not Nigeria will cease to exist as a legal entity after 12 midnight today.
A conglomeration of ethnic nationality groups said going by the Amalgamation Treaty of January 1, 1914, which joined Northern and Southern protectorates to create Nigeria with a life span of 100 years, the country will expire at 12 a.m. today.
Professor Akin Oyebode, a lawyer, said Nigeria will not expire because the amalgamation was not put in place by a treaty, but by an order in council by the British Parliament.
Nigeria
Oyebode has a soul mate in legal icon, Professor Itse Sagay (SAN), who argued that there was no law that automatically gives a treaty 100 years life span.
However, the ethnic nationalities, which included Federation of Oodua People, Middle Belt Congress, Lower Niger Congress and Oporoza House, which congregated on the banner of Movement for New Nigeria, MNN, insisted that Nigeria would become history after today and urged all Nigerians to embrace the national conference to agree on fresh terms of co-existing."


2. Lets even say for a wild reason, what you say is true then understand that Nigeria was created by amalgamation of Southern nigeria protectorate (present day SW, SE, SS and maybe some parts of the mid-belt) and Northern nigeria protectorate. So breaking it returns us back to North and South, nothing called Biafra.

TRUTHTOPOWER:
United Nations by its charter of 1945 IS NOT a supranational government. The Corfu Channel case, 1949; Nicaragua case of 1986. laid to rest the principle of non-interference and territorial sovereignty. This principle itself became part of customary law of nations (jus cogens) as far back as 1648 under the Treaty of Peace (Westphalia).

Territorial Sovereignty being part of just cogens is also regarded as a pre-emptory norm that cannot be modified except by another norm of similar character. The famous exceptions are under humanitarian laws. for you to invoke IHL, there must be armed conflict to such an extent that shocks the conscience of humanity. Think of Libya Syria, Sudan, Rwanda and Somalia. this will bring about the principle of Responsiblity to Protect or Uniting for Peace.

Remember that UN was already in existence prior to the civil war of 1967. the humanitarian conditions then only attracted sympathy of the international community. Nigeria has assumed greater status in the UN now. Keep the Palestine struggle in mind.

From the above the rule is clear: no interference. successes in separations such as USSR was internally achieved by relevant parties.

Will Biafra be an exception to the UN rule? who knows. but you cannot invoke UN without the abhorrent levels of humanitarian conditions as we have in every other place where UN intervened. At that, Only South Sudan after 30 years of civil war could lay claim to success.

Is there a way to Biafra. Yes. Dialogue! The alternative under UN HAS BEEN war - WITHOUT A SINGLE EXCEPTION.

Keep in mind that Diplomacy is the language of UN not threat or insults of whatever kind. UN has never considered threats and insults as a legitimate mode of communication in any of its august meetings. cheers!

N.B. Kayfra. you may wish to expand your original post in the light of international principles above.

Brilliant!

I'll add them but I assumed people knew the limits of UN charter. Oh well. Great post!

Dedetwo:
Bros any group that has radio waves beaming broadcasts to people who ordinarily would not know their existence has jobs and in my book doing well too.

Which is awareness. Awareness is separate from the main plans for actualization.

Anticabal:
Oga you dull no be small. The absence of referendum in your fraudulent constitution that even the Daura DSS use to wipe their butts does not delegitimiize referendum. If the law is silent on a certain thing, that thing cannot be said to be illegal.
There was no referendum in the british constitution that allow the scots to have their say and your constitution is modelled after the British constitution. So go and siddon or go school.

Lack of comprehension is your problem and even though I am altruistic, brain transplant is still not feasible.

Self determination and secession is what we lack in our Constitution, not referendum. You can hold a referendum to ask people if they should rename your hamlet to New York City.

When you get over your dyslexia and a slow brain, then contribute. In the absence of that S.T.F.U.

Dedetwo:
Bros there is no discrete approach to solving certain problems. What you may term as "the way" may be considered as "no way" by another individual. I have not seen anything wrong with the approach of IPOB and MASSOB. These groups have kept the awareness of their movement alive for many years and getting large number of people equally interested in them.

If there job id to establish awareness before the real battle begins then they've done good. But you need to be aware that outside of an awareness, their job is done.

Dedetwo:
There are certain things constitutional provisions or lack thereof cannot stop in human nature. When groups of people have cultivated the idea of secession, there is no legal teaching that can stop it. It may takes years yet it must come to accomplishment.

Acknowledged. But it's not enough to cultivate an ideology but also to plan on achieving the objective. For example I can plan on becoming a billionaire but if I don't work towards becoming one and work within legal parameters. I'd either end up broke or end up in jail. It will just be a pipe dream.

So what I am saying is for serious Biafrans to put heads together and plan. The way I see it, a straight forward secession really seems extremely difficult under any circumstance which includes war. So another path may be fighting for fiscal federalism which would be fought by multiple groups. Already, the entire southern nigeria want some form of autonomy. So it's an easier fight to weaken the center.

Just one man's opinion