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They should be given scholarship in Christian owned private university. He shouldn't even ask for it. He deserves it. It was his outcry that got the most needed international attention.

Nigeria is the HQ of corruption. What about 70 Trillions that was also discovered stolen during Buhari regime?

So, what is he waiting for? He should give an executive order concerning it the same way he removed fuel subsidy without seeking the permission of the national assembly.

What did the FG do to bring the prices down? Why didn't the prices of other items drop also. I need answer with proofs.

MaxInDHouse:
All scriptures is inspired of God and it's for TEACHING. 2Timothy 3:16

Your brain thinks only in one direction. So, Apostle Paul who made the comment isn't right?

jaephoenix:
Ok. According to your logic,China,Japan and East European countries that have more percentage of atheists and thus least prayerful would have gone to extinction.
This is the exact reason I don't rate christians. No reasoning faculty

China is not facing the same security threat we are facing. So, its not a good example.

MaxInDHouse:
Nah Russell and Rutherford write Psalms 115:16🙂

Be a minister of the New Testament and not of the old Testament - 2 Corinthians 3:6 - 18

jaephoenix:
Ogbeni reply his post and stop capping lubbis. People wey no dey think

What is there to reply. Nigeria would have been long gone if not for the prayer of the saints.

MaxInDHouse:
Guy God never promised humans any heavenly life where He created for us is EARTH! Psalms 115:16🙂

Earth sell you will not see. Hopeless sinner like you. You are believing the lies of Russell and Rutherford.

MaxInDHouse:
You failed as usual!

Here is the question again:



Quote where God promised humans heavenly life not where Jesus is talking to his prospective corulers where he prepared for them to rule with him or where his corulers are talking about their government house.

So think before answering.

Where did God promise humans a heavenly life?

Thomas Dydimus is better than you. At least he saw and believed. You see and still don't believe. If all the scripture quoted doesn't send any message to you, you are completely hopeless.

MaxInDHouse:
Where did God promise humans a heavenly life?

Even if I give you, the spirit of unbelief in you will still reject it.

Just to give a benefit of doubt, below are scripture evidence that promised us heavenm

1. John 14:1-3
Jesus tells His followers, I go to prepare a place for you, and I will come again and receive you to Myself.

Jesus promises that believers have a prepared place with Him. He speaks of His Father’s house, which points to a heavenly dwelling. This is one of the clearest promises of heaven for those who trust in Him.

2. Philippians 3:20-21
Our citizenship is in heaven, from which we eagerly wait for the Saviour.

Paul teaches that believers already belong to another kingdom. Heaven is presented as the true homeland of God’s people, and Christ will transform their bodies to match that heavenly reality. Remember that this was addressed to a Gentile church.

3. Colossians 1:5
The hope laid up for you in heaven.

Paul describes a secure future that is kept in heaven for believers. Nothing earthly can threaten it. It is stored with God and guaranteed by Him. This is also addressed to a Gentile church.

4. 1 Peter 1:3-5
An inheritance incorruptible and undefiled, reserved in heaven for you.

Peter speaks of a heavenly inheritance that cannot spoil or fade. God Himself guards this promise, and believers are kept by His power until they receive it fully.

5. 2 Corinthians 5:1
We have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.

Paul contrasts our earthly bodies with a heavenly, eternal dwelling. This reveals that believers will have an everlasting life with God beyond this temporary world. Another Gentile that was given a heavenly promise.

6. John 17:24
Father, I desire that they also whom You have given Me be with Me where I am.

Jesus prays that His followers will join Him in His heavenly glory. This shows His intention and promise to bring His own into the presence of God.

I know you are thinking of a line of defense to reject this truth as you have been trained to do. But I urge you to repent and leave that evil organisation.

MaxInDHouse:
PREACHING WHAT?🙂
Ọmọ if you hate the truth nobody can save you only Jehovah's Witnesses truly believe in RESURRECTION all others are claiming they will go to heaven which means they won't be raised to life here on earth in fact all of them believe that at death they either go to heaven or hell which you are still disputing with them now.
So in what way do they believe in the resurrection of the dead like Jehovah's Witnesses are preaching and teaching in all their neighborhood? Act 24:15

Below is the screenshot of lesson two of the Bible based publication we are studying with interested friends and see RESURRECTION clearly stated in our book!

You don't believe you will go to heaven. You won't even smell earth. Hell and Lake of fire is the destination of everyone who rejects Jesus as Saviour and Lord. Repent before it is too late.

HardMirror:
Most Christians are now directly saying it that prayers is not what we need but action. Insecurity and the genocide going on has indeed proven that all those prayers for protection is a waste. Even inside the churches, people are being slaughtered while the non existent god is unable to do anything.

Meanwhile some are still being fooled and politicians are still asking them to keep praying.

You have allowed demons to possess you after backsliding from the faith. Your judgement will be worse than those who never know the Lord. Be warned. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Theawakensoul:
Brother, let’s stay with scripture and consistency, because your interpretation keeps switching between literal and symbolic depending on what supports your doctrine.

1️⃣ You say the Beast is a literal human…
But the Bible never says that.
Revelation never calls the Beast “a man.”
Instead, it literally tells us how to interpret it:

“The seven heads are seven mountains…
The ten horns are ten kings.” (Rev 17:9–12)

Scripture itself interprets every part of the Beast symbolically,
yet you pick only one piece and insist that part is literal.
That is not biblical interpretation; that is selective interpretation.


2️⃣ The Beast and the False Prophet are treated the same way as the Dragon (Satan)
But even the Dragon is described symbolically:

“The great red dragon with seven heads and ten horns…” (Rev 12:3)
Nobody believes Satan literally has 7 heads and 10 horns.

So your argument becomes:
The horns are symbolic
The heads are symbolic
The crowns are symbolic
The Beast is symbolic
The False Prophet is symbolic
The Dragon is symbolic
…but somehow the Lake of Fire is literal and physical torture.

That is inconsistent, brother.
Revelation 1:1 already warned us:
“He made it known by SIGNS.”
Signs ≠ literal physics.


3️⃣ Systems can be destroyed forever, that is the whole point of apocalyptic imagery
When Revelation says the Beast and False Prophet are “tormented,” it's describing the complete destruction of the systems they represent.
Just like how Babylon “fell” in Revelation, not a lady named Babylon, but a system.
If “Babylon” isn’t a literal woman and, “the woman clothed with the sun” isn’t a literal woman and, “the dragon” isn’t a literal reptile…
…then the Beast isn’t a literal man.
Revelation is a vision, not CCTV footage.


4️⃣ Matthew 10:28 still stands and you keep avoiding it
Jesus, not John, not a vision, but Jesus Himself, said:
“God can destroy both body and soul in Gehenna.”
Not torture.
Not preserve forever.
Destroy.
If the soul can be destroyed, then eternal conscious torture is impossible.
Your teaching contradicts the Messiah.


5️⃣ “Is your name in the book of life?” is not a proof, it’s fear psychology
Fear is not an argument; it’s a tool used when evidence is missing.
If your interpretation is correct, you shouldn’t need fear to defend it.
Jesus said:
“You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you FREE.”
Not terrified.


6️⃣ Revelation is a symbolic book. Jesus Himself said so.
Once again:
Revelation 1:1, “He made it known by signs.”
No other book in the Bible begins with that disclaimer.
If you read signs literally, you will always create doctrines the Bible never taught.


7️⃣ Final point: A symbolic reading does not deny judgment
God judges evil, absolutely.
But judgment in scripture often means:
destruction
removal
end of wickedness
cleansing

Not eternal roasting.
The only place the “eternal torture narrative” came from is Greek dualism, not Hebrew scripture.
Jesus, Moses, Paul, Ezekiel, none taught immortal souls suffering forever.

My brother, the issue isn’t whether Revelation will be fulfilled.
It’s how we interpret its signs.
Literalizing symbols leads to fear-based religion.
Interpreting symbols as symbols leads to clarity.
I choose clarity.

Peace and Love to you brother,
TheAwakenSoul TAS

I will get back to you on this. There are other references outside the book of Revelation that confirms he is a man.

Theawakensoul:
Brother, let’s slow down and read what the text actually says, not what tradition forces into the text.
You brought up Revelation 19:20 and 20:10, so let’s address it carefully.

1️⃣ “The beast” and “the false prophet” are not individual human beings
Even conservative scholars agree these are symbols, not biological people.
The Beast = a political empire / system
The False Prophet = a religious system supporting that empire
These are not flesh-and-blood men you can put in a fire.

Symbolic beings don’t “burn” the way humans do, because they represent systems, not bodies.
Revelation is full of symbols:
a dragon with 7 heads
a lamb with 7 horns
stars falling like figs
a woman standing on the moon

Nobody interprets these literally, but suddenly the “beast” becomes a physical man in your doctrine.
That is selective literalism.


2️⃣ Revelation uses apocalyptic language, not physical descriptions
The Bible itself warns us that this book is full of signs:

“He made it known by signs…” * Revelation 1:1

Signs ≠ literal physics.

So when it says the beast and false prophet are “tormented,” it is describing the destruction of evil systems, not humans roasting forever.


3️⃣ You didn’t answer Matthew 10:28

Jesus clearly said:
“God can destroy both body and soul in Gehenna.”

Destroy = end, not preserve forever in pain.
Your belief contradicts Jesus’ own words.


4️⃣ Eternal torture requires an immortal soul, something the Bible never teaches

You are assuming the soul:
cannot die
cannot be destroyed
will burn forever

But Jesus said it can be destroyed.
Paul said only God has immortality.
Ezekiel said “the soul that sins shall die.”

So where did the “eternal roasting” idea come from?
Greek philosophy, not Hebrew scripture.


5️⃣ “Repent before it’s too late” is not an argument
That is fear-based language, not scripture-based explanation.
Quoting Revelation doesn’t automatically prove your interpretation of it.

If the doctrine is true, it should stand without threats.


6️⃣ The deeper issue
You’re interpreting the most symbolic book in the Bible as if it’s a literal weather report.
That is how false doctrines arise.

Let’s stay consistent:
Literal texts we read literally.
Symbolic texts we read symbolically.
This is not rejecting God’s Word, this is respecting its context.

Final note

I’m not rejecting scripture; I’m rejecting man-made fear interpretations added centuries later.

If you want to reason from the Hebrew mindset and early Christian understanding, I’m here for it.

But fear is not theology.

Peace and Love
*TheAwakenSoul.

The beast is a human being. What is symbolic are the ten horns and ten crowns on his head. The ten horns represents 10 European nations he will rule from known as the revived Roman Empire.

The false prophets who looks like a lamb is the false Christ the Jews will accept as their long awaited Messiah. He has two horns symbolic of the nations of Judah and Israel.

If they are both symbolic, it means Satan is also symbolic because he was thrown into the same Lake of fire the beast and the false prophet are.

They are real my friend. Don't be deceived. All those whose names will not be found in the book of life will be thrown into the Lake of fire - Revelation 20:15.

Is your name in the book of life? This should bother you. Otherwise, you will be thrown into that horrible fire. Our Lord Jesus said everything written in the book of Revelation will surely come to pass.

MaxInDHouse:
But when i asked you said



Were you slumbering when you typed that?
So what did Satan say to Eve that is true?

This is not the focus of our discussion. Is heaven and literal hell real? This is what we should dwell on.

Jonah went to hell and came back to tell his story but you don't believe him

Jesus went to hell and rose again to declare his victory, you still don't believe him.

Jesus narrated how the rich man went to hell in his story about the rich man and Lazarus, you still don't believe it. You call it a parable. Jesus must be insane to use such a horrible illustration as a parable if it's not real.

But many of his other teachings affirm the reality of hell.

So many have died, gone to hell, came back and narrated the reality of hell and how horrible that place is, you still don't believe them.

Why are you joking with your life. You want to be cast into hell before you believe it exist?

You have the opportunity to repent now. Stop hardening your heart especially when the truth concerning the subject is clearly revealed in the Bible.

MaxInDHouse:
Na wah o!

So how come Jesus said Satan lied from the beginning? John 8:44

This is not what I meant. My answer was in connection to whether Adam died or not.

Satan is definitely the father of lies. He lied to Eve and lured her to eat of the forbidden fruit.

MaxInDHouse:
This is why Bible study matters not just reading. If you don't want to study the Bible there are thousands of questions to ask.
If the dead are still alive somewhere then who lied about the fruit in the garden of Eden between God and Satan?


This is a PARABLE not real life story there was no literal Lazarus who lived as a beggar the Bible God is not the God of beggars {Psalms 23:1} and there is no evil recorded as deeds of the so called rich man neither did Moses and other prophets live the same time.


If you don't believe God's word that is your own cup of coffee it's Satan who lied regarding eating the forbidden fruit not God!

Nobody lied in Genesis. Adam died the very day he sinned. The death was a spiritual death. It was the spiritual death that led to physical death.

Because you are carnal, you don't understand spiritual truth.

If the dead are not conscious, the story of the rich man and Lazarus is meaningless. How could Jesus imagine what does not exist and used it in a parable? Use your brain

MaxInDHouse:
Who was there when Job was speaking to record it?
God revealed all these things to Moses that's what INSPIRED WORD OF GOD means things that you don't know but revealed through inspiration.
Death means complete non-existence that is what God said in the beginning {Genesis 2:17} it's Satan who said death doesn't mean complete non-existence {Genesis 3:4} when people died nobody in the Bible came to do anything that is godly as they used to do during their life time.

If death means, non existence, how did Jesus go to preach to prisoners in the spirit realm after he died? How could the soul of those killed cry out for vengeance? Why did Paul say that he prefer to be with the Lord? How could he be with the Lord if he doesn't exist? How could countless millions of people killed on earth worship God in Revelation 7 if they no longer exist? I could go on and on.

The story of the rich man and Lazarus unveils the fact that the dead are conscious. Calling it a parable doesn't change the fact. Our Lord Jesus can't use something that is unreal to make a parable. Every parable he spoke are things that happens or could happen in real life.

You have made up your mind to defend your lies till death. You will remember all the opportunities you had to repent on earth by the time you are cast into hell. And you will curse Russell and Rutherford for deceiving and brainwashing you.

Is that the focus right now? Greedy leaders with misplaced priority.

MaxInDHouse:
You can continue lying and deceiving your own soul whatever the Devil said as recorded in the Bible came through inspiration as revealed to God's servants neither you nor any of your pastors has heard anything from Satan before so it's through the inspired words of God that we can read to know what transpired between God and Satan.

But Job said so many things written in the Bible that God himself condemned. So, why would God condemn his inspired word? Use your brain.

Any doctrine you can't back up from the New Testament is untrue.

MaxInDHouse:
"All Scripture is inspired of God" 2Timothy 3:16

For prophecy was at no time brought by man’s will, but men spoke from God as they were moved by holy spirit. 2Peter 1:21
Between these inspired APOSTLES of Christ Jesus and you who is LYING?

So, the words spoken by the devil written in the Bible were inspired by God?

Keep looking for ways to defend your lies and reject the truth of God's word.

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Theawakensoul:
Brother, let me bring clarity so we don’t mix Hebrew concepts with later Greek philosophy.

1️⃣ Matthew 10:28 doesn’t say “burn forever in fire”

The verse says:
“God can DESTROY both body and soul in Gehenna.”
Destroy = end, cut off.

It does not say:
torture
burn endlessly
keep alive forever in pain

You are adding something the verse never stated.


2️⃣ In Hebrew thought, the soul is NOT a second physical body
What you are describing comes from Plato, not Moses.

Hebrews used nephesh, which means:
breath
life force
living being

Not an invisible body with bones and a mouth.


3️⃣ “The rich man and Lazarus” is a parable, not journalism
Jesus also told parables about:
trees talking
seeds representing hearts
talents representing responsibilities
Nobody thinks those are literal geography.

Luke 16 uses STORY IMAGERY to teach:
compassion
justice
consequences
Every scholar, Christian, Jewish, historical, agrees it is symbolic.


4️⃣ Near-Death Experiences are not scripture
People in different cultures see:
ancestors
tunnels
angels
nothing at all
sometimes their own beliefs

NDEs reflect consciousness, not universal doctrine.
We cannot build a theology on personal experiences.


5️⃣ Genesis 1 and 2 describe two stages of the same creation
Genesis 1 = identity and purpose
Genesis 2 = physical formation

That doesn’t mean Adam had a “soul-body” floating around.
It simply means God spoke purpose before forming matter, a common Hebrew literary structure.


6️⃣ A soul “looking like the body” is symbolic language
Just like saying:
“the arm of the Lord”
“the eyes of God”
“the hand of God”

These are anthropomorphisms, not physical anatomy.


7️⃣ The deeper point
You’re treating symbolic passages as literal and literal passages as symbolic.
This is how doctrines become distorted.

My approach is simple:
respect Hebrew context
separate Greek philosophy from the Bible
avoid adding fear where scripture didn’t put fear

The soul exists, yes.
But it is not a carbon copy of the human body with teeth and bones.

Let’s stay with what the text actually says, not what later traditions added.

Peace and clarity, brother.
TheAwakeSoul TAS.

Why couldn't the fire destroy the beast and the false prophet thrown into the Lake of fire in Revelation 19:20? After over 1,000 years, they are still in there-'Revelation 20:10.

You have been brainwashed to believe the lies of the devil and reject the truth of God's word.

You had better repent before it will be too late.

Truthseeker10:
lol🤣🤣🤣 na wa oo....so God was telling a soul without a body to eat fruit on the earth in Genesis 1:29?

In Genesis 2:4, where did God put soul into a man's body?

He gave him instructions on what to eat but he was not capable of eating them until his body was formed. And he knew his body was the thing on his agenda.

MaxInDHouse:
So in a nutshell a man still keeps all the memories after his death shey? Ecclesiastes 9:6
Walahi talahi you deserve a trophy for liar's association!

The man who wrote Ecclesiastes didn't know the truth. Most of the things written in the Old Testament are untrue. Jesus is the truth. Rely more on the evidence in the New Testament.

No day passes by without ugly news like this. This is the end time. The best decision you must take is to accept free gift of salvation that is in Christ alone. After that, receive the gift of the Holy Spirit that will guarantee your safety. Even if you are killed by bandits, you know your destination - heaven. But it's difficult for a child of God who is filled with the Holy Spirit to fall victim of bandits. It makes you invisible and untouchable. You are taking to the realm of the supernatural.

simpleseyi:
If you Northerners like, you can continue killing yourselves. City Boy JAGABAN will not carry Juju to go and fight your sons whom you groomed for banditry. E no concern us. We Southerners are securing our borders.

As for the Coaster road that is making you to convulse, you go convulse tire, Tinubu is not Rotimi Amaechi who abandoned his people and built railway to Niger Republic, or Goodluck Jonathan that abandoned the Lagos-Ibadan expressway and the 2nd Niger Bridge, but instead gave me money to you Northerners to build Almajari schools which your children still refused to attend

Bandits are in your neighbourhood too. Are you in this country? They are everywhere now. You want to believe it only when they get to your doorstep. You seem not to know the agenda they are pursuing - Islamize Nigeria. And they are very committed to it. Your brother, Mr President is not capable of stopping them. If we don't get divine intervention, none Muslims and none fulanis would all be killed.

MaxInDHouse:
See as he typed everything without any reference to the Bible yet he's lying as if someone is biting him to continue typing nonsense.
Can soul drink without its physical body?

Your soul can do everything without the physical body. One thing it can't do is to operate in this physical world. Your need a physical body to operate in the physical world.

The second thing your soul can't do is to determine its destination. If you are not saved or born again, your soul is thrown into hell. And finally into the lake of fire on judgment day. While in hell, you can see, feel understand and remember things like the rich man did. But you don't have the opportunity to do whatever you choose to do. It's just torment and punishment that is unbearable. Don't wait to get there before you believe. Repent now and accept Jesus as your Lord and Saviour.

Truthseeker10:
🤣🤣🤣🤣What part of the Bible did you get all these information from?

🤣🤣so the soul has it own flesh and skeleton....na wa oo🤣🤣🤣

Explain Matthew 10:28

Man was already complete in creation before his body was formed. God created man in Genesis 1:26-27. And he blessed man. But his body was not yet formed until Genesis 2.

So, how did the man he created look like without his body.

Search for souls caught on camera leaving their bodies at death, they look exactly like their bodies.

Most people who had near death experience said the same thing. They came out of their bodies and saw their bodies lying down looking exactly like them. They could also see other people but the people didn't see them.

How could the rich man ask for water to drink if he didn't have mouth to drink?

Your soul as a complete person. The only difference is that it can function on earth without the physical body.

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Theawakensoul:
Brother, thank you for engaging deeply.
Let me respond with clarity, because the passages you quoted actually strengthen what I’m saying, not weaken it.

1️⃣ Sheep & Goats (Matthew 25)
You said:
“Jesus didn’t use Gehenna or Hades here.”
Exactly, that’s the point.
Matthew 25 is not a literal map of the afterlife. It is prophetic imagery rooted in the Old Testament:
separating sheep/goats = Ezekiel 34
sitting on a throne = Daniel 7
nations being judged = Joel 3

Jesus is using Jewish prophetic metaphors to describe moral responsibility, not the architecture of hell.

The “eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels” is symbolic language exactly like:
“fire from heaven” in the prophets
“unquenchable fire” in Jeremiah
“lake of fire” in Revelation
Fire = divine judgment, not firewood.


2️⃣ Parable of the Tares
A parable is symbolic by definition.

You said:
“He didn’t use Gehenna or Hades.”
Correct.
Because He was teaching a spiritual principle, not giving a physics lesson about a literal furnace.

“Tares burned” comes straight from Old Testament imagery about national judgment, not eternal torture.
Jesus’ Jewish audience understood these symbols automatically.


3️⃣ The ‘Okada’ Analogy
Your analogy actually supports what I’m saying, thank you.

You said:
“Does it mean motorbikes are airplanes?”

Exactly.
Gehenna is a symbol, not the thing itself.
A symbol points to a meaning, not a location.

You’ve proven my point for me:
A symbol ≠ literal description
A metaphor ≠ physical place
Imagery ≠ geography

This is exactly how first-century Judaism communicated spiritual truth.


4️⃣ Revelation 20 & the Lake of Fire
Brother, Revelation is the LAST place to look for literal geography.
It contains:
beasts with 7 heads,
dragons,
angels with bowls,
keys to bottomless pits,
locusts like horses,
stars falling to earth,
1/3 of the sea turning to blood,

All of this is symbolic apocalyptic vision, not physical reality.

Jewish apocalyptic literature uses fire as a metaphor for:
purification,
destruction of evil systems,
divine judgment,
cosmic renewal.
The “Lake of Fire” is imagery, not a literal lake.
Even conservative scholars agree on this.


5️⃣ You still haven’t addressed the real issue
Your entire argument is based on English translations interpreting Jewish metaphors literally.
But Jesus didn’t speak English.
He spoke Aramaic to Jews who understood prophetic symbolism.

Your points avoid the core question:
👉 What did these terms mean in the first-century Jewish worldview?
Not in medieval theology.
Not in Dante’s poetry.
Not in English King James translation.

The original meaning is what matters.
And that meaning was judgment, not an eternal torture chamber.

⭐ Final Clarification (Respectfully)
You are reading symbolic Jewish imagery as if it were literal Greek philosophy.
That is the problem.
Jesus used fire-language the same way the prophets used it:
to warn,
to awaken,
to judge injustice,
to describe spiritual ruin,

[center]Not to threaten eternal torment.[/center]

Brother, I respect your passion.
But passion should be guided by context, not tradition.

If you want, I can break down Matthew 25, Revelation 20, and all fire imagery verse-by-verse in their original language and Jewish context.

Peace and clarity on your journey.
The Awaken Soul (TAS) ✨

Your problem is unbelief. If what you read doesn't agree with your pre conceived opinions, you just find a way to explain it away.

In Revelation 19:20, after Jesus defeated the beast and the false prophet, he threw them into the Lake of fire.

After Jesus reigned for 1,000 years, Satan was also judged and the scripture says he will be thrown into the Lake of fire where the beast and the false prophets are - Revelation 20:10.

Is this revelation also Old Testament? This is not an illustration but an event which is certain to happen in the future. The scripture has revealed it to us.

And it says that they will be tormented day and night. The language is so simple. The explanation is very clear.

Even those whose names will not be found written in the book of like will be thrown into the Lake of fire- Revelation 20:15.

This information is so simple but you will still twist the interpretation to mean something else.

Accept the truth of God’s word and repent. Otherwise, your punishment will be worse.

Shalom