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Congratulations to the coaching crew and the girls. History is made. Nigeria making Africa proud

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sonmvayina:
lol....Jesus is a roman creation, much like Spiderman or superman
they are created for entertainment and in the case of Jesus to control people with no sense., because
if you have 2% sense, you will easily know that a woman can never become pregnant without the input of a man.

God the creator of heaven and earth has got nothing to do with Jesus. he does not even know him. it was never his plan...so what truth are you talking about..


jesus was created to control poor people and people with zero sense, which group do you belong to?

After all your ranting, you will still be judged by him.

sonmvayina:
No brother, did you not get the memo?

they have discovered that Jesus never existed. so why pretend otherwise....

Even Satan will laugh at you for intentionality rejecting the truth.

You are rejecting the one who created you.

Jesus is the Prince of Life.

Tell me anything that has a name that doesn't exist

sonmvayina:
people have transitioned to using CE and BCE.

It is no longer a thing for the same reason i raised in this thread.

Christ is still the dividing line. It's just a change of name. It's to please haters of Christ

sonmvayina:
The bible is a spiritual manual, not a history textbook. you read it and learn the messages in it and incorporate it into your daily life., simply put, it is for moral and spiritual instructions. Not a history text. The Noah story is an adaptation of a Babylonian myth. The message is that it is God that creates and it is also God that destroys.......not a separate God for creation and another for destruction. it is same God.
Jesus has Got nothing to do with the God who creates and Destroys. he is not needed for anything. when we sin and strain our relationship with God, it is still us that has to fix or mend it. Gods hands are not short, they are always stretched out. he simply told us...CONFESS AND FORSAKE, I WILL FORGIVE AND REMEMBER YOUR SINS NO MORE. That is what a loving father would do, not ask for a human sacrifice. human sacrifice belongs to the realm of lucifer...That is why in the entire Tanakh, there is no Jesus, he is not Gods plan .


he was created by the romans to lead you astray....no two ways to it.

You need to be delivered from the spirit of unbelief.

sonmvayina:
all these your emotional rant is not what i am asking you, you cant tell me that the so called 'son of God' made an appearance and nobody actually saw him. it does not make any sense. if he was the one promised by God the creator, why would God not raise witnesses to the event who will document it, why is it that all we have are materials written in the third person by anonymous people? . You keep saying there are clouds of witnesses, but you have not provided one single person who was witness to the christian scriptures....


no one. why is that?

Those who saw him wrote an account of him but you don't believe. Stay in your unbelief until you land in hell. Then, you will curse the day your mother gave birth to you.

Even Noah ark which was recorded in the Bible thousands of years before the birth of Christ has been discovered in the very mountain the Bible said it rested. The dimensions are exactly as stated in the Bible

The Bible is the most reliable book on earth. Everything contained in it is truth. The choice is yours.

Melagros:
COMRADES, may we also live long like her, to live 96 no be beans oo because the way middle-aged/ young people dey die these days is shocking

Its still a far cry from God's original plan of an endless life. Some of the men of old lived over 900 years..

sonmvayina:
all these are after the myths...

i want somebody who actually saw him....

are you telling me , that nobody actually saw him? and that all we have are hear saysss

common man, and you want me to base my life on it?


give me somebody who actually saw him, maybe one of the 5000+ men that he was said to have fed....you cant tell me no one actually wrote anything down.....

There are clouds of witnesses to Jesus birth, death and resurrection. Even till date, so many still see him. Some Muslims who converted to Christianity in our days saw Jesus.

If Jesus wasn't real, the world wouldn't use him as the centre of history. History itself revolves around Jesus.

And you will certainly see him one day. Every knee must bow to Jesus.

Go to Israel and see evidence of where he was buried. Do you prepare a grave for someone who never existed.

Your unbelief is demonic. So 4 witnesses, Matthew, Mark ,Luke and John is not enough for you?

Even today, Jesus is still changing lives and performing miracles. Is this not enough proof.

Ask him to come into your heart right now and you will experience an immediate transformation that proves he is alive.

IndexMode:
But why that level of wickedness

Why can't they pay them even 2k. Even 5k will still be buying them cheap. But these people are saying they must trek back home and eat sand.

People managed to show up against their better judgment and conscience. They are still so wicked to them.

Somebody has probably embezzled the money. APC and corruption is like 5 &6

sonmvayina:
you know what i can get for 1 kobo a dozen? opinion.
please enumerate just one person who actually saw him and what he wrote about him. i don't want your opinion. the OP is clear, Jesus is not found in any historical writings just religious book that we are asked to believe on faith...why? if it was real, it would have been real knowledge....
and for your information there is absolutely no where in the entire Tanakh where any prophet reported that God had a son he was sending as a sin sacrifice because God had already given a solution to the problem of sin and it does not involve sacrifice of any kind.

HISTORIANS AND SCHOLARS WHO WROTE ABOUT JESUS BUT WERE NOT CHRISTIANS

Several ancient non-Christian writers and modern non-Christian scholars have written about Jesus of Nazareth, his life, his execution, the origins of Christianity, and the historical evidence surrounding him.

It is important to distinguish between ancient writers who mentioned Jesus and modern scholars who critically investigated his life and the claims made about him.

### PART ONE: ANCIENT NON-CHRISTIAN HISTORIANS WHO MENTIONED JESUS

1\. Tacitus (c. AD 56-120)

Tacitus was a Roman historian. In his work Annals 15.44, he referred to Christ's execution during the reign of Emperor Tiberius under Pontius Pilate. His account was written in the early second century.

2\. Flavius Josephus (AD 37-c. 100)

Josephus was a Jewish historian who wrote Antiquities of the Jews. He mentioned Jesus in Book 18 and referred to James, the brother of Jesus who was called Christ, in Book 20. One passage about Jesus in Book 18 contains wording that scholars believe was altered by later Christian scribes.

3\. Pliny the Younger (c. AD 61-113)

Pliny was a Roman governor and letter writer. Around AD 112, he wrote to Emperor Trajan about Christians worshipping Christ. His letter, Letters 10.96, provides evidence that Christians were worshipping Jesus in the early second century.

4\. Suetonius (c. AD 69-after 122)

Suetonius was a Roman biographer and historian. In The Life of Claudius 25.4, he mentioned disturbances among Jews in Rome associated with someone called "Chrestus." Scholars disagree about whether this was a direct reference to Jesus Christ.

5\. Lucian of Samosata (c. AD 120-180)

Lucian was a Greek satirist who ridiculed Christians for worshipping a crucified man and following his teachings. His work The Passing of Peregrinus provides a non-Christian perspective on early Christian beliefs and the position Jesus occupied among his followers.

6\. Mara bar Serapion (date uncertain)

Mara bar Serapion was a Syriac philosopher whose letter referred to the execution of a "wise king" of the Jews. Some scholars associate this figure with Jesus, although the identification is uncertain and the date of the letter is debated.

### PART TWO: MODERN NON-CHRISTIAN HISTORIANS AND SCHOLARS WHO WROTE ABOUT JESUS

7\. Bart D. Ehrman

Bart Ehrman is an American New Testament scholar and historian who identifies as an agnostic and has expressed atheist leanings.

His book, Did Jesus Exist? The Historical Argument for Jesus of Nazareth, examines the historical evidence for Jesus. Although Ehrman rejects many traditional Christian doctrines, he argues that Jesus was a real historical person.

8\. Maurice Casey (1942-2014)

Maurice Casey was a British scholar who specialised in the New Testament and the Aramaic language.

His book, Jesus: Evidence and Argument or Mythicist Myths?, examines arguments about Jesus's existence. He was a non-religious scholar who argued that Jesus existed as a historical person.

9\. Gerd Lüdemann (1946-2021)

Gerd Lüdemann was a German New Testament scholar who became openly non-Christian.

He critically examined the New Testament accounts, the resurrection claims, and the development of early Christianity. His work is relevant to readers who want to understand how biblical claims are examined through historical criticism.

10\. Richard Carrier

Richard Carrier is an American historian of antiquity and an atheist.

His book, On the Historicity of Jesus: Why We Might Have Reason for Doubt, challenges the conventional view that Jesus was a historical person. He argues that the evidence may be better explained by a mythical origin. His position is a minority view among scholars who study the historical Jesus.

### CONCLUSION

If you want to investigate Jesus using non-Christian sources, I recommend beginning with these three:

* Tacitus, Annals 15.44, for a Roman historian's reference to the execution of Jesus.

* Flavius Josephus, Antiquities of the Jews, Books 18 and 20, for a Jewish historian's references to Jesus and James.

* Bart D. Ehrman, Did Jesus Exist? The Historical Argument for Jesus of Nazareth, for a modern scholarly examination of the evidence.

For a contrasting perspective, read Richard Carrier's On the Historicity of Jesus.

An important distinction: A historian may accept that Jesus existed without believing that he was the Son of God, performed miracles, or rose from the dead. Establishing whether Jesus existed historically is a different question from establishing the truth of Christian theological claims.

Also, not every ancient writer listed above was a historian in the modern professional sense, and not every reference provides independent evidence for all the details of Jesus's life.

sonmvayina:
There is no evidence that Jesus actually lived, so what would a real historian write about him?

It would be like writing a “history” of King Arthur or Robin Hood, about whom nothing is known but their names and some far-fetched legends.

Was the magical sword in the stone historical, or the bible’s “virgin birth”?

A serious historian would know there is no real evidence that Jesus existed.

Just hearsay.

All that we have is a “big fish” story in which a minnow became a whale.

How did that happen?

It happened because the gospels are fairytale book with:

A virgin birth
walking on water
A ludicrous ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE
and so on…
As with other books of ancient mythology, we can’t assume actual events are being depicted.

Thus, we have to seek confirmation outside the bible.

But no one who lived at the time Jesus allegedly lived wrote a single word about him.

The earliest extra-biblical mention we have of Jesus is an implausible blurb in the histories of Josephus, written long after the fact, if there are any facts.

Furthermore, 92.4% of scholars who expressed opinions deemed the blurb a christian forgery, either largely or entirely.

The next mention was by the Roman historian Tacitus, a century after the fact, and he got Pilate’s job title wrong, strongly suggesting that he was quoting what he had heard Roman christians say.

And hearsay is not evidence.

Thus there is no actual evidence that Jesus existed, or any of his apostles.

An honest historian would conclude that he couldn’t write a history of Jesus, only conjecture.

You are writing out of ignorance. History itself revolves around Jesus. Its either BC or AD. Any other dating system is with reference to this. There are Notable secular Historians who wrote about Jesus. Please, do your research well before displaying your ignorance in public.

You can't escape Jesus. One day, you will stand before him to be judged by him.

Jesus is the Lord of lords and King of kings. He is the head of all principalities and powers. Every knee must bow to him

Whatever comments you make about Tinubu seem not to bother him. He appears determined to pursue his agenda and achieve his objectives on his own terms, regardless of the criticism or the suffering of ordinary Nigerians.

Sadly, some of those benefiting from his government seem disconnected from the realities facing millions of people in this country. As long as their personal interests are protected and their selfish needs are met, the plight of the homeless, the hungry, the unemployed, and struggling families means little to them.

I do not envy them, because political power, personal gain, and material comfort are all temporary. There is a day of reckoning when every person will have to answer for their actions and the choices they made. Those who turn a blind eye to the suffering of others should remember that no position of privilege lasts forever.

As the Scriptures warn, there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth in hell. May we never become so consumed by personal gain that we lose our conscience, our compassion, and our sense of responsibility toward the suffering of others.

akindelelawrenc:
ignorance...... If this what isreal practices when Islamic attacked them , by this time they will have been forgotten

The present day Israel are not Christians and they are presently disconnected from the God they serve. So, it's impossible for them to manifest the supernatural.

Spiritual weapons are more powerful than physical weapons. The church needs to know how to use them. The most powerful is praise. Judah won its battle against three nations without lifting a sword. It was through the power of praise. 2 Chronicles 20:20-22

Tinubu will certainly win through the usual rigging method. If APC can't rig the election, they will rig the results

Jennyclay:
You need to read the description and check costumer reviews properly to be able to shop from Temu

First day I ordered something from Temu, I got exactly what I ordered

I think he didn’t read to understand properly before ordering

You are very correct. Let him tell us how much he bought the so called power bank and you will be shocked it wasn't power bank he paid for.

youngEmelex:
I am not writing to counter or prove anything about hellfire. I am simple asking an important question which I hope to get the answer someday.
The only criteria for going to heaven is Salvation. If one is not born again and does not receive the holy spirit, he has no recognition by God as far as the Christian doctrine is concerned.

So far, the population of the world is 8 billion. The world has existed for 20 centuries and may still exist for another 5000 years. If you multiple 8 billion people in each generation by 105, it's assumed that around 840 billion or more people will exist on this planet.

Out of this population, only about 0.5 percent or less will receive salvation. So let's assume that the people who received salvation from when the world started till it ended are 10 million people, are we trying to say that the remaining billions will burn in hell?

I learnt from some teachings that hell is too large and can contain almost any size but what I don't understand is how God will intend to move such number of creatures to burn in hell forever

It isn't God's intention to burn people in hell forever. Rather, his intention is to save. So, God doesn't send people to hell. Your decision does. And God will be unjust if he interferes with the course of justice. He ceases to be God..

ifenes:
Religion made one very powerful promise: suffer or obey today, enjoy your reward after death. The interesting part is that once you die, you cannot return to tell the rest of us whether the promise was genuine. This is genius 😂

There are countless hundreds if not thousands of testimonies of those who died experienced heaven and hell and came back to tell their stories. Search the Internet. There are lots of them.

MrPresident1:
Jesus Christ said that not one jot or tittle will fail from the law, has all the prophecies in the Bible been fulfilled? Has all the law and the prophets been fulfilled up till this day?

The law has been legally abolished? You mean Jesus who is the personification of the law of Moses has been legally abolished?

Paul never anywhere told anyone that the law is dead or abolished. In all his missionary journeys, he was preaching the law, and he was showing people through hard arguments that it was God's purpose from the very beginning to bring the Gentiles also into the joys and blessings of the Law. Peter affirmed Paul, he called people who were twisting Paul 'natural brute beasts'

The church is made up of both lineage Israel and Gentile converts all reconciled into the law of Moses. The law is forever.

Deuteronomy 4:5-7
King James Version
5 Behold, I have taught you statutes and judgments, even as the Lord my God commanded me, that ye should do so in the land whither ye go to possess it.
6 Keep therefore and do them; for this is your wisdom and your understanding in the sight of the nations, which shall hear all these statutes, and say, Surely this great nation is a wise and understanding people.
7 For what nation is there so great, who hath God so nigh unto them, as the Lord our God is in all things that we call upon him for?

Anyone who says that the law of moses is dead in the church is practising and preaching lawlessness. This is the commandments of God, who never changes, he commanded Moses to teach His people.

This is the law that shows God's wisdom among the nations, the laws which show that the people who practise them are wise people.

This is the law that brings God so nigh to His people and He hears them when they call upon him for everything. This is the law that is dead?

This is the summary of the law which you say is abolished

Deuteronomy 6:4-6
King James Version
4 Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord:
5 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart

Matthew 7:11-13
King James Version
12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

When we try to define any interpretation as being contextual in the Bible or not, it must be within the whole frame of the Bible.

The law was never about animal sacrifices.

Check my thread: The Controversial Verses - Matthew 5:17-18, Explained. It will answer your questions

bobestman:
Be careful how you twist things
How does to fulfill and bring a justify end correlate?
To fulfill means to accomplish things written about him in the law and he did many of such. To abolish means to completely abandoned. That will mean that many things written about him both those fulfilled and still to be fulfilled are no longer necessary

What he actually did is to abrogate or correct things written cos he was the law and lawgiver so he knows all written but before he came many quack priest started interpreting it wrongly using it as a weapon to hurt the people. Let's take for example the woman caught in adultery. She is supposed to be stoned according to the law. But he was against it cos many of them including their priests secretly commits it but want to enforce that law on another person. They all sin but want to kill another for sinning. So the right thing to do is to correct the person with the law and let them have a change of heart. It's just like taking someone to a place of corrections rather than just kpaing the person for the sin. This doesn't mean that the law changed. It means that it was rightly applied. He is the law and law giver so he knew what was right. Quoting Paul and the epistles to disprove this is a waste of time. This is what Christ taught not men

Check my thread: The Controversial Verses - Matthew 5:17-18, Explained. It will answer your questions

6. To Comply with Conditions

Jesus came to deliver the Jews from the curse of the law and the Gentile from the condemnation of the law. The Jews came under the curse (Deuteronomy 28:15-68) because they couldn't keep the law (Galatians 3:10). The presence of the law brought condemnation to the Gentiles because they weren't included- they were strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world (Ephesians 2:12).
But it must be done in such a way that God will not be unjust to Satan, mankind or Himself. There're conditions to be met. No shortcuts. The wages of sin is death, declares Romans 6:23. Blood must be shed:

“…it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul…without the shedding of blood there is no remission” (Leviticus 17:11, Hebrews. 9:22).

Satan tempted Jesus to avoid the cross. He told our Lord Jesus;

“…all the power will I give thee, and the glory of them for that is delivered unto me, and to whomsoever I will, I give it” (Luke 4:6).

If Jesus hadn't died and instructed the Jews to stop obeying the law, then the law would have been said to be destroyed. Hence he said:

“Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven, but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For verily I say unto you, till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the Law till all be fulfilled” (Matthew 5:19,18).

So the law was to be in place until it was fulfilled (its requirements met). For instance, when a student submits his project work in partial fulfillment of his requirement for graduation, he is free to graduate and move on to the next level of study if he so wishes. Jesus also completed His Project Work, met the conditions needed for the abolition of the law. In John 19:30, Jesus said, “it is finished”. The price has been paid. Hence Paul wrote:

“Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become DEAD TO THE LAW BY THE BODY OF CHRIST that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God” (Romans 7:4).

The other meanings, TO PROVE TRUE A PROPHECY and TO REALIZE A DESTINY are different terms used to explain what has just been discussed in the analyses of the other meanings at No 4 and 5 respectively and their separate analyses will be unnecessary.
So, Jesus did not come to uphold the Law of Moses. His sacrificial death did what the law could not do.

“For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin condemned sin in the flesh, that the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who work not after the flesh but after the Spirit” (Romans 8:3-4).

The law told the Jews what to do but didn't give them the ability to do them. But Jesus gave us Eternal Life when he was raised up from the dead. Now, we have the very nature of God in us which is Love.

“For the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost he has given us” (Romans 5:5)

And when you walk in love, you will not violate the righteous requirements of the commandments of God contained in the Law of Moses. Thus, Paul remarked:

“For this, thou shalt not commit adultery, thou shall not kill, thou shall not steal, and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, thou shall love thy neighbour as thyself. Love worketh no ill to his neighbour, therefore, LOVE IS THE FULFILLING OF THE LAW” (Romans 13:9-10).

In addition, Galatians 5:22-23 says:

“But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: AGAINST SUCH THERE IS NO LAW.

In a previous verse of the same chapter, Apostle Paul wrote:

“If ye are led of the Spirit ye are not under the law” (Galatians 5:18).

We're therefore not under obligation to do the law, including Deuteronomy 22:5 which of course doesn’t even talk about trousers. Those who prohibit Christian Women from putting on trouser wear on the basis of what they think Deuteronomy 22:5 addressed are ignorant of God's righteousness and are going about to establish their own righteousness instead of submitting to the righteousness of God (Romans 10:3).

“For we are the circumcision which worship God in the Spirit and rejoice in Christ Jesus and have no confidence in the flesh (law). And be found in Him not having my own righteousness, which is of the law but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith” (Philippians 3:3&9).

3. To Satisfy a Prayer or Desire

It was the desire of the prophets of old to see the day of Christ but so many couldn't.

“Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you….and the glory that should follow” (1 Peter 1:10-11).

Jesus remarked that Abraham looked forward to His days and he saw it and was glad (John 8:56). So, He came as an answer to the desires of the Old Testament Saints even though the Jews for which he came for primarily could not recognize him even up till this moment. Hence, Paul wrote:

“…blindness in part is happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be saved….” (Rom. 11:25-26).

4. To Accomplish or Complete a Task

Jesus was a man on a mission and he completed his task. On the cross, He exclaimed, “it is finished”. He came to take away the first covenant that He may establish the second (Hebrews 10:9).

“And for this cause he is the mediator of the New Testament that by means of death, FOR THE REDEMPTION OF THE TRANSGRESSION THAT WERE UNDER THE FIRST TESTAMENT...” (Hebrews 9:15).

The Jews under the law have been redeemed as emphasized in the previous chapter. No Christian Woman should be made subject to any law of dress code. What should be emphasized is decency.

“Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why as though living in the world are ye subject to ordinances (rules, laws)” (Colossians 2:20).

5. To Answer a Purpose

The ultimate goal of God is to establish His Kingdom on earth which will be ruled and governed by His principle and not by the Law of Moses which was weak, unprofitable and faulty (Galatians 4:9, Hebrews.7:18, 8:7). Jesus came to bring many sons unto glory (Hebrews 2:10). He came that we might have life and have it more abundantly (John 10:10). The Law of Moses couldn't give life. Trying to obey Deuteronomy.22:5 will not make you any more righteous. As it is written:

“…they have no effect when it comes to conquering a person's evil thoughts and desires” (Colossians 2:23, New Living Translation).

2. To Obey a Law or Command

This definition seems to agree with those who assert that Christ came to enforce our obedience to the law. As mentioned in the introductory chapter, scripture must be interpreted in harmony with other scriptures and should not be used to win an argument. If Christ came to enforce the law, He would have permitted the woman caught in the very act of adultery to be stoned to death when her accusers brought her to Him. (John 8:3-11). On the contrary, as earlier stated, His ministry came under intense criticism for His non adherence to the Law of Moses:

“And they watched him whether he would heal on a Sabbath day that they might accuse him” (Mark 3:2).

Jesus questioned:

“Is it lawful to do good on the Sabbath days or to do evil? to save life or to kill? (Mark 3:4).

The Jews adhered to the law of Sabbath to the point that a sick person will be denied medical attention just because they wanted to keep the law. But our Lord Jesus remarked:

“The Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath, therefore the Son of man is also Lord of the Sabbath” (Mark 2:27-28).

Jesus is saying here that He himself is not subject to the law. He was not born of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man but of God. He however did not use this privilege to dishonour the law but rather used it as an opportunity to do good.
In Luke 13:15, 14:5, Jesus remarked:

“Thou hypocrite, does not each one of you on the Sabbath day lose his ox or ass from the stall and lead him away to watering? Which of you shall have an ass or an ox fallen into a pit, and will not straightway pull him out on the Sabbath day?”

The Christian Woman who also has received the life of Christ is not subject to the Law of Moses.

“Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, (1 Timothy 1:9).

So the word fulfill in the context used in Matthew 5:17 does not mean to obey a law or command as many Christians had hitherto believed.

What Then Did Jesus Mean When He Said He Didn’t Come to Destroy the Law of Moses but to fulfill it?

To destroy the law means to arbitrarily annul the law without following the due process. So, he didn’t use his power as the Son of God to abolish the Law of Moses. He had to fulfill it.

The word 'fulfill' according to the Webster Dictionary has manifold meaning under- listed depending on the context it is used:

1. To carry out a promise.
2. To obey a law or command.
3. To satisfy a prayer or desire.
4. To accomplish or complete a task.
5. To answer a purpose.
6. To comply with conditions.
7. To prove true a prophecy
8. To realize a destiny.

We'll take each of this meaning, analyze it, and attempt to correlate it with its usage in Matthew 5:17 as well as other related scriptures.

1. To Carry Out a Promise

Was there any promise under the law or the prophets that Jesus came to carry out? The book of the law refers to the first 5 books in the Bible; Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy. These books are also known as the book of Moses that contains the laws of Moses which actually started with the Ten Commandments in Exodus, Chapter 20. The prophets are all the prophetic books from the book of Isaiah through to the book of Malachi.

In Genesis 12:2-3, God made a 7-fold promise to Abraham and the last of the promise is of particular interest:

“in thee shall all the families of the earth be blessed.”

How were all the families of the earth going to be blessed when he had no child as at the time of the promise? God made the promise clearer in Genesis 22:18:

“And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed….”

Apostle Paul revealed to us in his letter that the seed God talked about is Christ
(Galatians 3:16). Christ in this context refers to both Jesus and the church. This promise came to fulfillment through faith and not by the Law of Moses (Romans 4:13).
Matthew 5:17 can be paraphrased thus:

“Think not that I am come to end the law or the prophets unjustly, but to carry out the promise God made to Abraham, contained in the book of the law. For assuredly I say to you, you (the Jews) must still obey all that the law commands until the promise comes into effect.”

And this promise came into effect with the death of Jesus,

“For a testament is of force after men are dead, otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth” (Hebrews 9:17).

There are several other promises (which of course are a result of the Abrahamic covenant) contained in the Old Testament that were literally fulfilled by Christ. Isaiah 53:4-5 was confirmed as being fulfilled by Matthew 8:17 and 1 Peter 2:24. The scope of this book will not permit us to list many other scriptures that were fulfilled by Christ. Now that these scriptures are fulfilled, the Jews are no longer under obligation to keep the Law of Moses. So, if the Jews that were given the law are no longer obliged to keep it, then Christian Women shouldn't be made to feel guilty by not keeping the law of dress code as contained in Deuteronomy 22:5 which in any case doesn’t necessarily condemn women putting on trousers. But those troubling the church with this verse of scripture makes it look like it prohibits women from putting on trousers.

The Healing of a Man Who Had a Withered Hand

Matthew 12:9-14
9 And when he was departed thence, he went into their synagogue:
10 And, behold, there was a man which had his hand withered. And they asked him, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath days? that they might accuse him.
11 And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out?
12 How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.
13 Then saith he to the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it forth; and it was restored whole, like as the other.
14 Then the Pharisees went out, and held a council against him, how they might destroy him.

In the passage above, they questioned the legality of Jesus healing on a Sabbath day. But Jesus asked a rhetorical question which they couldn’t answer. He went ahead and healed the man. And they began to plot how they would kill him. This is another clear example of an instance where our Lord Jesus violated the Sabbath. The statement our Lord Jesus made in Matthew 5:17-18 couldn’t be interpreted as meaning that he came to enforce the Law of Moses.

There are many more occasions Jesus violated the Sabbath that space will not permit us to include here. They are contained in the following references which you can read at your leisure time; Mark 3:2, Luke 6:2,7; 13:14; John 5:1-10, 16.

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Chapter 3 - Christ Said He Did Not Come To Destroy The Law! What Does This Statement Mean?

During His Sermon on the Mount, our Lord Jesus made a profound statement that is often misunderstood regarding the continued relevance of the Law of Moses to the Church today. He said:

“Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets. I am not come to destroy the law but to fulfill. For verily I say unto you. Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one title shall in no wise pass from the law till all be fulfilled” (Matthew 5:17-18)

This misinterpretation of the scripture passage above contributes to the ongoing controversy. Many Christians mistakenly believe that 'fulfill' means Jesus came to enforce the Law. This is absurd, considering that Jesus' ministry was frequently attacked for His non-adherence to the Law of Moses. Let's examine a few occasions when Jesus was accused of breaking the Law:
The Disciples of Jesus Plucking the Ears of Corn on a Sabbath Day

Matthew 12:1-8
1 At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn, and to eat.
2 But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day.
3 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him;
4 How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?
5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?
6 But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.
7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.
8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.
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In the passage above, our Lord Jesus defended what his disciples did even though what they did was as good as breaking the Sabbath. Well, our Lord Jesus said he was not subject to the rule of Sabbath. So, it will be an insane argument for anyone to say that Jesus came to enforce the Law of Moses which he violated several times.

To be continued

MrPresident1:
Some people have closed Thor minds completely from hearing about the law of Moses which is the law of the Most High. Some nare ignorant, some are just fearful about what the law is truly about. Some with their full cgest just don't want to hear anyone Hong about the law. Paulnsays the law is dead so of is dead. For your information, Paul never said that the law is dead, and this is for you new age Pentecostals that have destroyed the world with your lawlessness, Paul never anywhere said that the Law is dead and Peter cautioned you when he told you that Paul from the wisdom which God had given him was writing about things difficult to understand, which natural brute beasts twist to their destruction.

If Jesus Christ tells you that he has not come to abolish the law but to fulfil it and that one jot or tittle from the law will not pass away till all be fulfilled, where then did you get it that the law is dead? Are you crucifying Jesus a second time by saying that he is dead and should remain dead? What sort of Christians are these?

Many are afraid of what they will find in the law
Many are ignorant of what is in the law
Yet there are stouthearted ones who know what is written but will not practice it

This is the summary of the law:

Isaiah 1:11-12
King James Version
11 To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the Lord: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.

12 When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts?

God has not asked you to sacrifice animals or rams or sheep or goats, he said he does not delight in animal sacrifices! Is it animal sacrifices that is makingbyou afraid of the law? It is abolished, the blood of Jesus Christ is all the blood of sacrifice that you need!

God is asking you, who has required the blood of goats and rams and sheep, goats, bulls or bullocks from your hands before you can tread his courts, before you can come into his presence?

The blood of sacrifices is not the law!

The word fulfill in the context our Lord Jesus used it means to bring a justified end to the Law of Moses. So, the Law has been legally abolished. There are two many scriptures to back it up. The Church of Christ is not under the Law of Moses.

Only those who stole people's money will buy it for that amount. No sensible person who worked for his money will do that. Does the bread give long life and guarantee good health?

This is happening in Nigeria because there is no regulatory body to control prizes of items sold in the country.

LadyExcellency:
In Islam, when the Romans came to arrest Jesus, he hid among his disciples and offered them a deal:

“Who will take my place, and Allah will reward him with a castle in paradise?”

The Islamic Jesus bargains for his own survival. He offers paradise as currency for someone else’s suffering.

He escapes and someone else dies.

This fits perfectly with Muhammad’s method, castles, virgins, rivers of wine, palm trees in paradise, divine bribery, used to extract whatever Muhamed desired from his followers.

The Islamic version of Jesus is repackaged in Muhammad’s image: transactional, self-preserving, power-driven.

The real Jesus, the biblical Jesus, didn't ask anyone to die for him, he died for us.

They are projecting the image of Muhammad onto Jesus. At the Battle of Uhud, Muhammad asked his companions to sacrifice themselves to protect him, promising Paradise to those who did. Seven of them were killed while shielding him.

This is an important point, because the fundamental difference between the biblical Jesus and the Jesus presented in Islam is not a minor theological disagreement. It concerns the very nature of Jesus and the meaning of salvation.

The biblical Jesus did not seek to escape suffering or preserve His own life at the expense of someone else. He willingly gave Himself for humanity. He said, “The good shepherd gives his life for the sheep” (John 10:11). His death was not an unfortunate accident or an act of self-preservation. It was the purpose for which He came.

This is why the Christian Gospel is so radically different from the idea of salvation being earned through religious transactions or promises of paradise. Jesus did not say, “Someone else should die for Me.” He said, in essence, “I will give My life for you.”

For Muslims reading this discussion, I would encourage you not to simply accept either side's description of Jesus. Go back to the sources and examine the claims for yourself. Read the New Testament and ask: Who did Jesus claim to be? Why did He come? What did He teach about sin, forgiveness, sacrifice, and eternal life?

At the heart of Christianity is a God who comes to humanity and gives Himself for sinners. The cross is not a story of Jesus escaping suffering. It is the story of Jesus willingly embracing suffering for our redemption.

That is why the question ultimately goes beyond Christianity versus Islam. The real question is: Who is Jesus Christ?

If Jesus is merely a prophet, then Christianity's central claim is false. But if He truly is the Son of God who died and rose again for the salvation of humanity, then His identity and message demand a response from every one of us.

Eternity is too important for us to settle this question based on tradition, emotion, or what we have been told. We should sincerely seek the truth and be willing to follow it wherever it leads.

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