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sonmvayina:
They won't try it. If they do, God will punish them. Christianity is built on two pillers that God hates..human sacrifice and idolatry.
So any right thinking man will do well to avoid it.

They will cry out to Jesus for help during the second half of the great tribulation period. And this will happen after false prophet they will accept as their long awaited Messiah erects an image of the Antichrist in the temple in Jerusalem.
Everyone on earth will be forced to worship the image but the Jews would refuse.

This is the prediction Jesus made in Matthew 24:15-22

15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

gohf:
leave this your sophistry, who is THE creator? Jesus or God?

Scriptural Evidence that Jesus is Co-Creator with God the Father

The Bible clearly reveals that Jesus Christ is not a created being, but the eternal Creator who existed with God the Father from the beginning. Below are scriptural proofs showing that Jesus shares in the divine nature and creative work of God.
John 1:1–3, 10, 14 (KJV)

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God... All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.”

Explanation: Jesus (the Word) existed in the beginning, was with God, and was God. He made all things; He is the Creator, not a creation.

Colossians 1:15–17 (KJV)
“For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth... all things were created by him, and for him.”

Explanation: Jesus is both Creator and Sustainer. 'Firstborn' means preeminent, not first created.

Hebrews 1:1–3, 8, 10 (KJV)
“By whom also he made the worlds... Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands.”

Explanation: The Father calls the Son 'God' and attributes creation to Him.

Genesis 1:26 (KJV)
“And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness...”

Explanation: The plural 'us' shows divine partnership — Father, Son, and Holy Spirit involved in creation.

John 17:5 (KJV)

“Glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.”

Explanation: Jesus existed with the Father and shared His eternal glory before creation.

Philippians 2:5–7 (KJV)
“Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God...”

Explanation: Jesus existed in divine form before taking human nature.

Micah 5:2 (KJV)
“Out of thee shall he come forth... whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.”

Explanation: The Messiah (Jesus) is eternal — His existence is from everlasting.

Revelation 1:8, 17–18 (KJV)
“I am Alpha and Omega... I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore.”

Explanation: Jesus calls Himself Alpha and Omega, the same title used by God the Father.
John 8:58 (KJV)

“Before Abraham was, I AM.”

Explanation: Jesus used God’s own name 'I AM', revealing His eternal existence and deity.

1 Corinthians 8:6 (KJV)
“One God, the Father... and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things.”

Explanation: Creation is of the Father and by the Son — showing unity and equality in creation.
Summary of the Truth

• Jesus is eternal — He existed before creation.
• Jesus is Creator — all things were made by Him.
• Jesus is God — He shares the same glory, power, and nature with the Father.
• Jesus is co-equal and co-eternal with God the Father and the Holy Spirit.

seunmsg:
If we tell some of these our ADC and Obidient friends that Plateau and indeed the entire North Central is locked down for Tinubu in 2027, they will start arguing and abusing us. Mutfwang will personally lead the campaign for Tinubu’s reelection in 2027 and the margin of victory will be so high.

Tinubu can never win by vote. He never won by vote.

Their ultimate plan is to subdue the entire country. We all need to wake up and stop this evil monsters.

gohf:
if Jesus is THE creator of all things, then who is Father God?

You already called him who is his- The Father God. He created all things through Jesus. That is the connection.

sonmvayina:
That is what I am saying that you did not get. Jesus is a roman god/creation. He has got nothing to do with the Jews or their God. They happen to be aorshipping the creator of heaven and earth, who is not a man or human being(Numbers 23:19).
All your scripture you quoted are from the Christian scriptures. That means it is a Christian ideology. It got nothing to do with the God of the Jews. Who happens to be the creator of heaven and earth.

The Jews are currently suffering from partial blindness. You are also blind. But one day, the blindness would be taken away and they will all cry for the Lord Jesus to come and save them.

We truly stand out as a suffering and a smiling nation.

Why do you expect the military to respond when some of them are part of the evil?

Boko Haram would only stop when security personnel that are part of it are fished out and executed. For now, it's cash out for them.

gohf:
Now think about a comic artist, or a manga/manhua for those into asian sketched stories. Now if the artist who is the creator of those characters in sketched up world, decides to draw a character and name that character after himself or call it, his image having a power to erase or rule in his sketched up world.

The first question is, is this image, this character given such power and authority to erase, created? Yes it is, yes he/she, the character is created.

Second question, is that character the creator, the comic artist? The answer is No


The question then is, even though without a doubt (personally) Jesus is the image of God why do some call him God, even when the creator and author did not call him or tell others to call him God?

Jesus was not created. He is the Creator of all things.

ebubeson:
Do you know singing, anointing, power, good preaching, prayers, good church, good pastor, positive confession, impact, evangelism, crying during worship, dancing like David danced, giving, having a good heart e.t.c, are good but cannot take you to heaven if you do not have holiness attached to it?

God may overlook certain things to bless you on earth, but He will never overlook holiness when it comes to you entering heaven.

Again, God makes holiness achievable if you hunger and thirst after righteousness. But many people are not so positively desperate for righteousness and holiness. Many are comfortable with nominal, worldly and compromising christianity. Matthew 5:6 "Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled"

Hebrew 12:14 "Follow peace with all men, and holiness without which no man shall see the Lord"

You no longer need to thirst after righteousness. You obtain now as a free gift. Our Lord Jesus made that statement before the gift of righteousness was made available. Romans 5:17, 2 Corinthians 5:21.

Holiness is so broad a word that we often limit it to living a sinless life. It also has to do with how you treat people you have the opportunity to meet. Put in another way, be kind to people. Some Christian behave holy but they are very wicked in the manners and ways they relate with others.

Your wife's prayers will not take you to heaven. You must make a personal decision to receive Christ as your Lord and Saviour.

Logosians should wake up and free themselves from perpetual slavery. A family now owns Lagos.

You are a heartless and wicked leader to make such comment. Don't worry, you will all face the wrath of God.

sonmvayina:
i am Gods spirit experiencing life as sonmvayina
max is Gods spirit experiencing life as maximus
ken4christ is Gods spirit experiencing life as Kenneth. etc.
if Jesus was real, he would have been Gods spirit experiencing life as Jesus.

what is the faux?
why worship him? is that not idolatry? he died, just as we all will die, when our time is up too.

God is the totality of all the spirit(consciousness) in the universe. it is not a man or a human being.
we all is the totality of that spirit ( image and likeness) living within a physical body made from dust. that is the miracle if you ask me. Not magically turning water into wine.
i think we really need to educate ourselves and end this madness of worshipping a white dude as God and learn the true nature of our selves.,

Below are Scripture Evidence that Jesus is worshipped. Refute each of them with reasonable arguments that they weren't worships otherwise remain silent forever on this issue:

During Jesus' Earthly Ministry

1. The Wise Men Worship Jesus – Matthew 2:11
"And when they had come into the house, they saw the young Child with Mary His mother, and fell down and worshiped Him..."

2. A Leper Worships Jesus – Matthew 8:2
"And behold, a leper came and worshiped Him, saying, ‘Lord, if You are willing, You can make me clean.’"

3. A Ruler Worships Jesus – Matthew 9:18
"While He spoke these things to them, behold, a ruler came and worshiped Him, saying, ‘My daughter has just died, but come and lay Your hand on her and she will live.’"

4. The Disciples Worship Jesus After Walking on Water – Matthew 14:33
"Then those who were in the boat came and worshiped Him, saying, ‘Truly You are the Son of God.’"

5. The Canaanite Woman Worships Jesus – Matthew 15:25
"Then she came and worshiped Him, saying, ‘Lord, help me!’"

6. The Disciples Worship Jesus After His Resurrection – Matthew 28:9

"And as they went to tell His disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, ‘Rejoice!’ So they came and held Him by the feet and worshiped Him."

7. The Eleven Disciples Worship Jesus – Matthew 28:17
"When they saw Him, they worshiped Him; but some doubted."

8. The Blind Man Worships Jesus – John 9:38
"Then he said, ‘Lord, I believe!’ And he worshiped Him."

9. Thomas Worships the Resurrected Jesus – John 20:28

"And Thomas answered and said to Him, ‘My Lord and my God!’"

In the Book of Revelation

1. Angelic Worship of the Lamb – Revelation 5:11-12

"Then I looked, and I heard the voice of many angels around the throne, the living creatures, and the elders; and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands, saying with a loud voice:
‘Worthy is the Lamb who was slain to receive power and riches and wisdom, and strength and honor and glory and blessing!’"

2. All Creation Worships the Lamb – Revelation 5:13-14

"And every creature which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, I heard saying:
‘Blessing and honor and glory and power
Be to Him who sits on the throne,
And to the Lamb, forever and ever!’"

3. The Redeemed Worship the Lamb – Revelation 7:9-10

"After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands, and crying out with a loud voice, saying, ‘Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!’"

MaxInDHouse:
Believe God's word or you?😂

You have never believed God's word. Your organisation, Jehovah Witness was founded on unbelief. The name itself is a rebellion against God's word.

Jesus said we should be his witness but look at Jesus too small and choose to witness for Jehovah you don't even know.

Don't worry, my book exposing your organisation will soon be out. And it will be in series.

sreamsense:
You further demonstrated that you lack comprehension of the message you responded to using lies to cover lies having discovered your flaws were exposed. All you wrote means you didn't comprehend my message you responded to. Where in my message did I say or imply here "...Holy Spirit doesn't do the preaching for you.." You want to be smart by half because I had exposed your shallow knowledge of the Bible. May God help you to learn how to humble yourself to admit your flaws instead of covering up with lies out of shame of being exposed.

See your other flaw here as quoted from your message, "...she hasn't been able to show her husband the way to salvation, something is definitely wrong...". If you truely comprehend my submission before you responded, you will even see the answer to this your question, but because you want to be smart by half, you tried covering lie with lie again. Are you staying with them to know she has never preached to her husband? How was she able to convert all her children to christians and her husband finally agreed if she has never preached with conviction to them?

If she told her husband, but the husband refused to convert, does bible tell her to diverse him? In Acts 13:51 and Acts 18:6: Is it everybody or every place that apostles Paul and Barnabas preached to that got converted to Christianity? So, if Tinubu never got converted to Christianity, to you now; it means she never preached to Tinubu. Does it make sense to you especially if you compare with Matthew 10:14, where Jesus sent his disciples to preach in villages and town.

Did Jesus tell them everybody they preach to will convert to Christianity? If no, where did you see your own message and conclusion about Mrs Tinubu? I can only pray for you for Holy Spirit to lead you into more truths that will grow you into more christian maturity. It is certain that hatred of Tinubu that is making you off balance. May God help you more

Let's look at it with this example. A young lady marries a man but discovered he is an armed robber. She doesn't mind as long as she is getting the money.

After a few years, she gets born again but the husband is unwilling to change, it will be foolish of her to continue in that relationship as a child of God. If she does, she is equally guilty and will not go unpunished.

Read between lines and understanding my point.

MaxInDHouse:
God's tent will be with men doesn't mean heaven is coming to earth rather it means favor from God will abound earthwide, God will answer all our prayers even while we are still praying!

So it's not about heaven coming down to earth. If someone says Abuja is behind a person it simply means the Nigerian government is supporting him not that Abuja has been taken to the person's backyard!😂

Remain in your unbelief. I feel so sorry for you.

Truthseeker10:
Below is Revelation 21:1
King James Bible
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

New Living Translation
Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the old heaven and the old earth had disappeared. And the sea was also gone

Does the above verses not confirm that the former heaven and earth disappeared before the new Jerusalem started coming down from heaven?

All these are translators error.

Well, what matters is that there will be a new heaven and a new earth. Only those who are born again will enter. Are you born again?

MaxInDHouse:
Answer the question.

It's New Jerusalem the Bible says will come to earth not new heaven.

So stop lying!

But its the new heaven. When a president office is located in a city, what is that city called?

The scripture says that the throne of God and of lamb shall be in the new city. What does that mean to you? God has moved is hq to the New Jerusalem and that automatically becomes the new heaven. It's common sense

You had better be born again otherwise, you will not be granted access to this glorious city

Softmirror:
CAN should focus on Nigerian Pastors who are eating fat from the sweat of poor Nigerians. Nigeria have some of the richest Pastors in the world. The should set good examples in feeding these 'hungry' Nigerians.

Yes. CAN should direct churches under its umbrella to send relief packages to hungry members and it should be done periodically, not just one time.

Cooked food should be made available in most of our services. One person alone can sponsor it even for a year period in some churches.

This is what Christ command us to do but a large percentage of the Church has failed in this aspect.

Thief thief family. They are very wicked and unreasonable. They want to take advantage of him. I just guess which tribe can do such thing.

They should go and beg him or their daughter may never get another man to marry her.

Lazy family.

MaxInDHouse:
That's not what the scriptures say you're saying entirely another thing because you don't know what the scriptures say.

The New Heaven doesn't come from the Old Heaven God CREATED a new heavens and a new earth, so the scriptures say the former heavens and earth have passed away (destroyed) Revelations 21:1

Instead of humbly learning what we know that makes us efficient Bible scholars you keep wailing over your lies of Hellfire thinking i's a key to convince everyone!🙂

Verse 1 of chapter 21 says what God did. The verses that followed is the process. If you don't understand, give your life to Christ so you can understand spiritual things.

In any case, at least, you now believe that the new heaven will be on earth. God himself shall dwell amongst us and we shall see his face. Not people like you who has rejected the free gift of salvation. You will be wailing and gnashing your teeth in the Lake of Fire day and night unless you repent. The choice is yours. Stop hardening your heart. The Holy Spirit is even speaking to you right now.

[quote author=Truthseeker10 post=136980008]1)So which heaven was new Jerusalem coming down from in Revelation 21:10 if the former heaven had disappeared in Revelation 21:1?.

2) Are you claiming with your statement above in bold that the former earth will be burnt up. The former earth didn't disappear, but it was regenated. It was revived. The only way the Holy city can land on the earth is all the former nations in that location will melt away.

Apostle Peter saw this revelation when he wrote:

2 Peter 3:10-12
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? note

sreamsense:
Is it her duty to convert her husband to the Lord or the duty of Holy Spirit? No man can convert any person, it is the work of Holy Spirit to convince and do the work of regeneration. If all unbelieving spouses must get converted by their believing spouses; then why will the Bible admonish believing partners not to divorce them if the both agree to leave together.

1 Corinthians 7:12-14 advises believers not to divorce an unbelieving spouse if they consent to live together. The unbelieving partner is considered "sanctified" through the believing spouse, and their children are also sanctified. She married Tinubu who is a Muslim, they gave birth to children that are all christians. If she has not been preaching to them and the father, why will the children follow her to church.


Please, remove "Christ" you put in your moniker, you are disgracing Christianity because you are not yet mature and conversant with your Bible. Is like you only dance and clap when you go to your church, you don't seem to attend Bible Study, Sunday school or other convert class. Please, take your spiritual life more serious, you sound too carnally minded properly due to hatred you have for Tinubu.

Jesus tells us to love and not to hate. You have allowed hatred to rob you off your spiritual virtues.Try to remove the logs in your own eyes first before you criticize her. She is mature far far than you in christian race if we consider the way you and her talked. May Holy Spirit leads you into christian maturity

Your submission is very wrong. You certainly can't force anyone to receive salvation but its our duty to preach the gospel to the lost. The Holy Spirit only convicts as you preach. The Holy Spirit doesn't do the preaching for you.

My point is that if after several decades of marriage, she hasn't been able to show her husband the way to salvation, something is definitely wrong.

Rather, she is comfortable with her husband leaving an ungodly life and displaying questionable character. We all know how he won the last election. A true child of God cannot encourage that. Now, she is partaking of his sins and God will not hold her guiltless.

Truthseeker10:
Below is Revelation 21:1.

King James Bible
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

New Living Translation
Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the old heaven and the old earth had disappeared. And the sea was also gone

If the first heaven was no more, which heaven did new Jerusalem come down from in Revelation 21:10?

The new heaven and the new earth is the new Jerusalem city on earth. The old heaven passed away after the creation of the new heaven.

MaxInDHouse:
Hmmmmmmm, funny Churchgoer!

He doesn't know anything except Hellfire.

New heaven will come down from the former heaven.

When we knock on your door to TEACH you what is in the Bible you will claim pastor, born again.

Well continue deceiving yourself!🙂

I didn't say so. It's what the scripture says. Your problem is unbelief.

sreamsense:
You can see that the woman is even more mature than you in the Spirit. What of someone that married before becoming a true believer like in her case or did she marry in 2007 before joining RCCG to become pastor ? Read your Bible well or use AI to quote verses in the bible for you. She even brought Grace to her husband. Bible didn't tell you to divorce your unbeliver spouse that have understanding like Tinubu to her if you can leave with him or her. It was an advice for young christians that had never married to avoid future crisis. It was an advice and not a commandment. May you come into more christian maturity

Who is she pastoring if she can't lead her husband to the Lord? RCCG made a grave error by ordaining her as a Pastor.

Truthseeker10:
So which heaven did the new Jerusalem come down from? Former heaven or new heaven?

From the former heaven.

Phone technology has made everyone virtually insecured. If people that have access to high technology wants to destroy your life, you are gone unless for God's intervention. And to think that settings in most phones are done in such a manner to make you easily vulnerable.

A true believer is not supposed to marry an unbeliever talk more of a Pastor. Which Bible are you reading. You committed a grave sin.

Emeskhalifa:
Such a shame that Nigeria always have to rely on calculator in order to qualify

Is the fault from players? , coach? or NFF?

Or the government is under funding NFF?

NFF has the biggest blame. Most of the players ought to have been replaced by now but they keep them because they have paid their dues. And new players won't be allowed in unless they pay their entry due. Corruption is killing our football and the handlers are shameless.