slachtoffers:


I like your arguments but I think you are shooting yourself on the foot with the bolded. If you can not trust the argument of "renowned islamophobic" on what ground would you want the guy whose point you are trying to counter to trust a source from "renowned Muslim pacifist or from a devoted muslim"?

Which brings me to another question, what degree of trust (level of authenticity) to ascribed to authors on both divides when it comes to religious discuss - given that the events contain in the holy books of Islam and Christianity are based on the narrative of an individual or individuals that share the same belief system with no input from people of that time with contrary opinions
( even if they were their inputs where never included by them but as narrated by the religious faithful).

If you don't mind I would like your thoughts on the above. Thanks

Mikecold:
Muslims only deny this because it bruises their prophet ego, and in histology the most bruising narration have the best percentage of been truthfu

Mikecold:
listen and listen well, i have enumerated the source of idols Mohamed flirted with i further gave you Tafsir Al-Jalayn and it's passage to go research on, these are Islamic works in their own right not my work.

I also gave you a brief Wikipedia page highlighting this, the details comes in pdf files on the numerous Islamic narration

I don't understand what you mean by mismatch

Your argument isn't that Mohamed controversy on this doesn't exist but rather it is mere allegation.

In histology we don't think this way, we believe that ardent followers of Mohamed have no basics of embarrassing their revered prophet with a wrong narration.

Muslims only deny this because it bruises their prophet ego, and in histology the most bruising narration have the best percentage of been truthful



Mohamed flirted with idols long enough to borrow their pagan rituals and i have quoted the source

They were compiled by early Islamic scholars and historians who documented them.

Your job is to go download these files, they come in pdf

I only tried to make it easier for you by showing you the topic in brief from Wikipedia (you denied you not an Abdul but supposedly concluded it is mere allegation).

Muslims have been erasing every figment of controversies that links Mohamed so you don't expect them to not call it allegation.

Abdul go to Tasfir Al- Jalayn (Asbab -Al-Nuzul by Al-Wahidi) chapter 52 53

Mikecold:
I have Given an Islamic Narration to the idols supported by Mohammed below, it is no hidden truth on these passages, Muslims have however chosen however to do image laundry for Mohamed by dismissing his errors or tagging his atrocities as weak hadits or allegations even when it comes from Muslim historians themselves

After deleting so many of these they lot of atrocities like pedophile still can't be erased instead justify it



Tafsir Al-Jalayn (Asbab-Al-Nuzul by Al -Wahidi)

Chapter 52


The commentators of the Quran said "We the messenger of Allah", Allah bless him and give him peace saw that his people were shunning him.

He was aggrieved by their rejection of the message he brought them and he secretly wished that Allah, exalted is he, reveals something to him which would bring him and his people closer to each other, keen as he was to see them accept faith.


One day, he sat in one of the congregation of qurash which attracted a huge number of its members, and he wished that Allah, exalted is He, does not reveal to him on that day anything that might repeal them from him.

Allah exalted is He revealed to him then (By the star when it stetteth).

Chapter 53

The messenger of Allah, Allah bless him give him peace, recited it but when he reached (Have ye thought upon al-lat and uzza and manat, the third and the other, the devil put on his tongue what he had secretly wished and hoped for and said.

"These are the mighty cranes and their intercession is hoped for" when the Quraysh heard this they were very pleased.

The messenger of Allah, Allah bless him and give him peace, carried on reciting until the end of the surah and then prostrated.

All the muslims followed suit and prostrated and all the idolaters who were present prostrated too.

All those who were present whether Muslim or disbeliever, prostrated except al-walid ibn al-mughirah and Abu Uhyahah said ibn al-as who were too advanced in age and could not postrate, but they both grabbed a handful of dust and put their foreheads on it.

The Quraysh then dispersed, happy with what they have heard they said "Muhammad has mentioned our idols with complimentary terms.

We know that Allah gives life and takes it away, He creates and provides sustenance, but these idols of ours will intercede for us with him.

Now that Muhammad has associated them, we are all with him, that evening Gabriel peace be upon him, went to the messenger of Allah, Allah bless him and give him peace, said "what have you done?

You recited to people that which i did not bring from Allah

Mikecold:
If you don't know about the three goddess as a Muslim i don't think i have time to lecture you.

Btw let me just give you on your same Wikipedia cos i don't have time to lecture you in depth

Mikecold:
If you don't know about the three goddess as a Muslim i don't think i have time to lecture you.

Btw let me just give you on your same Wikipedia cos i don't have time to lecture you in depth

Mikecold:
A combination of Islamic hadits written by early muslims, historical evidence which are verified.

You are bringing Britannia and Wikipedia that is a political correctness online website which any d1ck and Harry can update

Mikecold:
A combination of Islamic hadits written by early muslims, historical evidence which are verified.

You are bringing Britannia and Wikipedia that is a political correctness online website which any d1ck and Harry can update

Mikecold:
Abdul you have history knowledge to an extent even though it's limited.

First of all, this God never told anyone his name is expressly Allah, unlike the God of Moses who expressly said his name is Jehovah.

If Allah is just a mere Arabic word for supreme God what stops Hausa Muslims from calling their God Ugbagiji which is the same meaning as Allah in arabic, same thing with Olorun from Yoruba Muslims etc.

What's the big deal about using Arabic translation since this God never called himself this?

If God is omnipresent and all knowing he wouldn't be bounded by a specific language.

As you said Muhammad had several dealings with the quresh tribe it's on record he was a man who formulated/fused anything just to get support including telling Jews/Christian's he believed they worshipped the true God except that he must be worshipped by his description (a religion that existed thousands of years before him)

He didn't destroy the quresh pagan gods he only tried unifying them into one because they were too many.

Quresh tribe worshipped so many idols and baal worshippers were in majority (Baal was oldest having been in ancient Mesopotamia)

Mohamed destroyed hundreds of idols except three which includes Baal and the three goddess.

He said these three goddess are intersesors to God and he bowed and worshiped them including the whole quresh tribe who felt honoured and exited to have unified goddesses (Mohamed trying to copy Christianity Trinity as usual)

Baal was still very much in the current kabba site, Mohamed didn't destroy it and the Quresh tribe used to go there and circle the altar of Baal and kiss it's altar for fertility, part of this ritual was they always circled it naked.

Mohamed later came to apologise that he was tricked by the devil and that the three goddess were never intersesors to God (this was after his borrowed interpretation of one God yet three could not be substantiated ).

So he destroyed the three altars of the goddess, came to the altar of baal, chased the quresh worshippers and called that altar the house of god (notice that where-ever is considered sacred to the people around him he fabricates a story on his connection to the place i.e the temple mount in Jerusalem).

Mohamed essentially evicted the quresh tribe from the kaabah for polluting the house with unclothedness, he fabricated a story on how Abraham and his son had been there before (mind you Abraham only sojourn was leaving his father's house in U'r to Cannan and never at anytime went to the Arabian deserts for anything)

Mohamed erected on the altar of baal and proclaimed it the "house" of allah his new one god, he retained the quresh ritual of cycling/kissing the altar aka "house of allah".


Today that same ancient Baal is now Allah the same altar of Baal the Qureshi idol which is forced down African, middle eastern Muslims throat


They can't ask simple questions like what concerns a supreme omnipresent God with a stone altar before forgiveness and intersection is made.

They can't ask the significance of kissing a specific black stone a mere creation of God to an omnipresent God

They can't ask why Muslims are patterned to address an omnipresent God in the limited language, practice of the arabs

Justice009:
I dae church one day like that all of a sudden naso anointing hold one guy ooo em start to roll for inside church unknown to him as his eyes were but a very big mighty wood dae em front. Gbam nah wetin everybody hear, nah em face be that ooo. Mehn you need to see how anointing disappear that day and all i dad pray for that day nah make God forgive me because the KIND LAUGH WEN I LAUGH THAT DAY FOR THE CHURCH ENNN NAH SMALL REMAIL THE OASTOR WANT SAY MAKE I GO OUT FOR EM CHURCH

WoundedLamb:
Nice one.

What does native mean in this context? Is Arabic really native to Africa?

gaius01:


You are wrong ! Can you give me biblical back up! In the new testament, Christ Jesus said a man shall leave his father and mother and clef to his wife and they shall become one.

In Ephesians, Paul said Husband love your wife, not the singular 'wife' not 'wives'.

bigfish3k:

Yeye
Once I saw your write up I knew you are from that religion that has produced humans with the lowest intelligent quotient (IQ) world wide

You are busy trying to mock us while we are busy trying to salvage your situation. What a people with devilish mindset.

bigfish3k:

If you like go and bring pictures from Rwanda that one concern you.
What I know is that we must separate you people from fulani so that you can be sighting moon by yourselves and maybe also reclaim ilorin.

We don't have emir in Igboland so your situation is more critical

bigfish3k:

So your people have justice in Nigeria now, be deluding yourself.
Yorubas and igbos are in the same shoes in Nigeria. We are even better because our bushes are safe.
We are already fighting to liberate ourselves and I am just urging you people to do the same instead of sabotaging our efforts.

The fulanis were talking about the yorubas when they said that 1of their cows equals 100 of your people and that all your lands belongs to them by conquest. Ilorin comes to mind
I know you are a Yoruba Muslim, the saboteurs in Yoruba land that cannot sight moon. Mtchew

felong:
Day it's beginning to break for yourba people. I'm sure that by now they now known that igbos aren't their enemies. They spend all their lives attacking igbos whereras Fulanis are taking over their ancestral homes.

bigfish3k:

You corroborated
Exactly what I said that your clash does not start today and that you can be managing it for another 100 years. Shame on you that your parents didn't deal decisively with the clashes and the opportunity fell on you to end it in your generation but instead you are claiming that it's the fulanis that have your good at heart that I am looking for an opportunity to end your friendship with them so that you can be free.

You can continue
Another generation of your children will still come to chase them out of your bushes. Hope it wouldn't be too late then

You people lack critical thinking
In your numerous clashes with them they are still leading you by a goal difference. Ilorin is still in their kitty.

I freed a slave today. I would have freed a thousand more if only they knew that they are slaves

bigfish3k:

Stay there and be chestbeating
I wonder the kind of sophistication without critical thinking that you people pride yourselves with

They are playing taquiyya on you people.
Because this is not the first time it's happening. Mtchew

Yoruba ronu ooo

PervertProphet:


The Same Jews Muhammad hated were still the ones he went to beg food from even exchanging his armour for a piece of bread despite assigning to himself more than 4wives that he assigned to other Muslim men.
The Longthroat false Prophet Muhammad was always double minded in all his confused ways.

PervertProphet:

The Stupid Muhammad i follow.
Hahahaha!
Do Shaytaan needs

PervertProphet:



The Pedophile Prophet Muhammad was dragged with feet on the ground. Such shameful death from the poison from the Jewess.

Hadith
حَدَّثَنَا سَعِيدُ بْنُ عُفَيْرٍ، قَالَ حَدَّثَنِي اللَّيْثُ، قَالَ حَدَّثَنِي عُقَيْلٌ، عَنِ ابْنِ شِهَابٍ، قَالَ أَخْبَرَنِي عُبَيْدُ اللَّهِ بْنُ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ بْنِ عُتْبَةَ بْنِ مَسْعُودٍ، أَنَّ عَائِشَةَ، زَوْجَ النَّبِيِّ صلى الله عليه وسلم قَالَتْ لَمَّا ثَقُلَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم وَاشْتَدَّ بِهِ وَجَعُهُ اسْتَأْذَنَ أَزْوَاجَهُ أَنْ يُمَرَّضَ فِي بَيْتِي، فَأَذِنَّ لَهُ، فَخَرَجَ وَهْوَ بَيْنَ الرَّجُلَيْنِ تَخُطُّ رِجْلاَهُ فِي الأَرْضِ، بَيْنَ عَبَّاسِ بْنِ عَبْدِ الْمُطَّلِبِ وَبَيْنَ رَجُلٍ آخَرَ‏.‏ قَالَ عُبَيْدُ اللَّهِ فَأَخْبَرْتُ عَبْدَ اللَّهِ بِالَّذِي قَالَتْ عَائِشَةُ، فَقَالَ لِي عَبْدُ اللَّهِ بْنُ عَبَّاسٍ هَلْ تَدْرِي مَنِ الرَّجُلُ الآخَرُ الَّذِي لَمْ تُسَمِّ عَائِشَةُ قَالَ قُلْتُ لاَ‏.‏ قَالَ ابْنُ عَبَّاسٍ هُوَ عَلِيٌّ‏.‏ وَكَانَتْ عَائِشَةُ زَوْجُ النَّبِيِّ صلى الله عليه وسلم تُحَدِّثُ أَنَّ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم لَمَّا دَخَلَ بَيْتِي وَاشْتَدَّ بِهِ وَجَعُهُ قَالَ ‏

‏ هَرِيقُوا عَلَىَّ مِنْ سَبْعِ قِرَبٍ لَمْ تُحْلَلْ أَوْكِيَتُهُنَّ لَعَلِّي أَعْهَدُ إِلَى النَّاسِ ‏"

‏‏‏ فَأَجْلَسْنَاهُ فِي مِخْضَبٍ لِحَفْصَةَ زَوْجِ النَّبِيِّ صلى الله عليه وسلم، ثُمَّ طَفِقْنَا نَصُبُّ عَلَيْهِ مِنْ تِلْكَ الْقِرَبِ، حَتَّى طَفِقَ يُشِيرُ إِلَيْنَا بِيَدِهِ أَنْ قَدْ فَعَلْتُنَّ قَالَتْ ثُمَّ خَرَجَ إِلَى النَّاسِ فَصَلَّى لَهُمْ وَخَطَبَهُمْ‏‏

Narrated Aisha:

(the wife of the Prophet) "When the ailment of Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) became aggravated, he requested his wives to permit him to be (treated) nursed in my house, and they gave him permission. He came out (to my house), walking between two men with his feet dragging on the ground, between `Abbas bin `Abdul--Muttalib and another man" 'Ubaidullah said, "I told `Abdullah of what `Aisha had said, `Abdullah bin `Abbas said to me, 'Do you know who is the other man whom `Aisha did not name?' I said, 'No.' Ibn `Abbas said, 'It was `Ali bin Abu Talib." `Aisha, the wife of the Prophet (ﷺ) used to narrate saying, "When Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) entered my house and his disease became aggravated, he said, " Pour on me the water of seven water skins, the mouths of which have not been untied, so that I may give advice to the people.' So we let him sit in a big basin belonging to Hafsa, the wife of the Prophet (ﷺ) and then started to pour water on him from these water skins till he started pointing to us with his hands intending to say, 'You have done your job." `Aisha added, "Then he went out to the people and led them in prayer and preached to them."


Sahih al-Bukhari 4442
In-book : Book 64, Hadith 463
USC-MSA web (English) : Vol. 5, Book 59, Hadith 727  

PervertProphet:


Your write-up is nice. The only flaw is "Prophet Muhammad".

You could write "Pedophile Prophet Muhammad" or "Pervert Prophet Muhammad" or "Poison from Longthroat Prophet Muhammad"


Hadith
وَقَالَ يُونُسُ عَنِ الزُّهْرِيِّ، قَالَ عُرْوَةُ قَالَتْ عَائِشَةُ ـ رضى الله عنها ـ كَانَ النَّبِيُّ صلى الله عليه وسلم يَقُولُ فِي مَرَضِهِ الَّذِي مَاتَ فِيهِ ‏

‏ يَا عَائِشَةُ مَا أَزَالُ أَجِدُ أَلَمَ الطَّعَامِ الَّذِي أَكَلْتُ بِخَيْبَرَ، فَهَذَا أَوَانُ وَجَدْتُ انْقِطَاعَ أَبْهَرِي مِنْ ذَلِكَ السَّمِّ ‏"
Narrated `Aisha:

The Prophet (ﷺ) in his ailment in which he died, used to say, "O `Aisha! I still feel the pain caused by the food I ate at Khaibar, and at this time, I feel as if my aorta is being cut from that poison."

Sahih al-Bukhari 4428
In-book : Book 64, Hadith 450
USC-MSA web (English) : Vol. 5, Book 59, Hadith 713  

PervertProphet:


Your brain is nonsense filled watery pap.

Thank God. You are just a mere school dropout.
No credible source of knowledge agrees with the lies you spewing about him being dead.