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Baddestguyp: thanks for d correction bt u skipped my 2nd point

Read it again. U're right. Point very well taken.

biolabee: If u r not interested in the anime no issue...

Where wasthe kamui discussion

I remember kakashi does not require contact

calm down...nobody said it did. That argument is done and dusted. Let's move on.

firestar: One, here we clean our own mess. Mods who are hardcore Otakus would testify. So fear not, the youthful Will of Fire burns. (Don't get burnt)
Two, I am Kunoichi and the following ANBU level and above are my bros.
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Feraz
Wacky
jidesp
Ihe
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ibkaye
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Sagenaruto
Seun
Darui
Badt
paranoma
Parsuss
viruz
sanboy
Naira
missade
Lord Reed


(who did I miss?)

so.

Lol queen bee. Kk...duly noted.

Tosyn007: Go read the Kabuto vs Itachi/Sasuke fight again and listen to Itachi's explanation, and that goes for you too, Kimco.

So i did your assignment and nonthing has changed for my side.

Facts-

1. izanagi was an uchiha jutsu used to change fate.

2. In missions that cud not be failed...it came in handy for the uchiha

3. More than two people using it became a problem where a consensus cud not be reached when it came to the path to take.

4. The user also became conceited

5. Izanami was invented to save them and make them repent by mimicing their's and their opponent's movement and body senses and replicating it in a photographic way so that they keep doing the same thing over and over again, like a loop.

6. U can escape the loop when u accept ur fate and stop running away from it.

Facts to be noted-

1. Itachi did not, and i repeat, did not mention the requirements for both jutsu.

2. Obito however stated the requirements for izanagi which were uchiha and senju cells

3. Itachi used izanami and he had no senju cell in him.

4. Izanami required no senju cells.

5. izanami and izanagi were related, shudn't they require same things?

6. izanami was kishi's convenience for itachi to escape the greatness that was kabuto and also for his fans to rub it in our faces, AGAIN, how great the guy is. Were we not seeing enuff of that alrelady, eh kishi?

7. A.s.s pull and plot hole no jutsu.

Baddestguyp: u dont get my point. Yes, team guy fought on water bt remember guy almost drowned. Wat do u tink will happen to the army if they get hit. If they manage to survive wit an injury they may drown

guy was drowning?....what are u reading atall? Kisame hit him into the water with such force that he had blood coming out his mouth...he sent 5 man eating sharks toward him under water and he still tackled them (he got some, and some got him back) so pls direct me to whichever drowning scene u saw.

Baddestguyp: yeah, bt many shinobis will drown just lik in the case of kisame

Wrong...kisame's own was a vacuum. Follows him wherever he swims. See the other one which wasn't a vacuum had team guy standing on the water. Damn i'm on a roll. Hope nobody reports me.

[quote author=SIR cum a lot]A 15 page manga and a large a Novel which one is more likely to reduce it content and which will explain more backstory when they adapted for the screen ?[/quote]You're still missing the point. It's not the length of the script. The idea i'm putting across is that if the author cannot convey dialogue and infos in his manga...what makes u think it'll be better represented on screen? The anime is only gud for fight scenes. The manga is enough for dialogues, infos etc nobody uses the anime for argument...only manga. I've seen an ocassion where one nairalander had made a statement which he saw in the anime however it wasn't so in the manga. I think it was about obito's kamui jutsu.

Baddestguyp: how do u tink it'll be if tobirama turns the whole battle ground into an ocean?

I don't think dats all he's got. Anyways now it'll be useless

[quote author=SIR cum a lot]There is only so much drawing can tell, for this naruto kyubbi reconciliation the anime tells a better story and am sure kishi has final say before any episode airs.[/quote]that's like saying there's only so much rowling's book ''harry potter, which ever one'' can tell and so i shud watch the movie. U're sure she has the final saying in the production. See how dat sounds. Gud

Feraz: Had no idea till she said so.

feraz feraz feraaaaaz, i called u three tyms oo....if it was a guy, u would still be arguing. Hmmmm. I won't even talk again.

firestar: Kimco.
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Report. :/

huh R u asking me to report or u have reported me?

rapmike: U said obito said dat izanagi is d jutsu of d uchiha THAT NEEDS D POWER OF D SENJU AND UCHIHA, obito neva explaind y d senju cells r nided. D question was nt who ownd izanagi bt wat is needed 2 use it.
By d way, wia was it in d manga or anime dat d uchiha used it anyhow? U r 4getting dat using such technique make one lose d sharingan witout d MS ting,so they cnt be using it anyhow and if they needed senju cells,it was possible 2 get such, hashirama was nt d only senju in narutoverse, they could kill d weaker senju by ambush and use/cultivate dia cells. Izanami was used 2 stop izanagi incase an i.diot among them begins 2 hav 2 much affinity 2 izanagi.

This is ur answer to the plot hole (i really wanted tosyn to suffer...rapmike u ruin my fun..lol) also everything rapmike said....+100

Tosyn007: Sorry I'm late, I had to go do some diggins and here's what I found...Tobi said Izanagi is jutsu of the UCHIHA that requires the power of both Senju and Uchiha to perform the jutsu, I think the the Uchihas can perform the jutsu, but they need the Senju cos of their Chakra and life force to perform it effectively so their chakra won't get empty or even die of chakra exhaustion...remember the uchihas used to use this jutsu anyhow in the former days before it became forbidden, would you now say all of them have Senju cells in them?

woah dude...hold on...which digging did u go and do? Every thing u said isn't in the manga and was not even implied, stick with the script and don't make assumptions. No where was it said uchihas...they said some uchihas. Which begs the question...how did they perform it then. Cos with the info given without senju cell they shudn't have been able to do it. The two guys who were able to do it had both requirement. there goes ur argument out the window with a new gaping plot hole. Thank u tosyn.

biolabee: I know he learnt with kakashi
Its like u dont appreciate that the rasengan is an A rank technique that only few nin have mastered

Also u need to understand it took lifetimes to learn chakra insertion
Jiraiya has similar temperament to naruto... unstructured peoplee

If u watch the latest episode ur beef on naruto n kurama friendship will reduce

i haven't said rasengan wasn't a high class jutsu...where did u get that from. I even stated that i admit that training section was also gud. Even though i know it's an exaggeration when u said it took a lifetime, it didn't take long for naruto to master chakra insertion as compared to learning rasengan itself. but the progress made was really appreciated.

And i'm telling u, i've already passed that part in the manga...no need for the anime again.

biolabee: Dude calm down... the writer is involved in the animes

not really dude. Why not use the actual thing by the writer...which is the manga rather than the anime?

[quote author=SIR cum a lot]The anime explainings it better I think it has something to do with Naruto thanking kurama for his help against madara which is something Naruto never did when kurama bails him.[/quote]and that was enuff to love him finally? In an argument the manga is the best material to use cos it's straight from the writer compared to the anime which CAN be the interpretation of the production house. So i go by the manga.

biolabee: have u watched the lastest episode (329)

i've read past it in the manga, give me ur argument

Feraz: Do you watch the anime? Remember the saying, 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend', apply that saying to Naruto, Madara and Kurama. Kurama would rather develop a close relationship with Naruto than allow him die in this war and become Madara's tool. Also remember that they became close after he knew the real Madara was edo tenseid. You keep saying one day? Which one day? Something that has been developing during the war arc especially since the bijuus agreed that Naruto is the person the Sage was talking about.

he's not jux helping him, they're friends now, they shudn't be friends simply because they have a common enemy, friendship takes tym between enemies. And enuff with the chosen one bs. I read the manga, stopped watching the anime. Or also it's on the same day that madara appeared that they have become buddies. Did u see any night cycle? it still day. If u read the manga u'll know it's one day.

biolabee: pls explain.. this... by the time skip


He spent literal clone years inserting his chakra into the rasengan.. if thats not good enuff for you...

Wrong. Not by the tym skip. After it. He even learnt his chakra type when training with kakashi. Really kishi, all that tym with jiraiya he comes back and he didn't even know his chakra type? What was he even doing? However i must agree that training section was gud too.

Feraz: you know eh, the last anime made me realize why the kyuubi decided to cooperate with Naruto. Throughout the years, the people that acknowledged the kyuubi's feelings are Rikoudo Sennin and Naruto. Madara thought of it as a servant and weapon, Hashirama thought of it as a weapon, likewise his wife and Kushina. The Sage and Naruto saw the bijuus as entities and after taking all these into consideration, the kyuubi realized it had nothing to loose than to cooperate with Naruto. He realized that Naruto has come to accept him as part of his existence.

doesn't matter how u say it guy....one day isn't enuff to tame someone who u have hated for so long. It builds over tym especially that naruto had recently rained rasengan on him and had illegally taken his chakra.

Okay for me this is where the problem started. After the time skip, everyone in konoha showed remarkable strength and kill growth, everyone but naruto. Even sakura showed great improvement. And that was sad cos naruto was travelling with one of the strongest ninjas in konoha and yet learnt nothing substantial aside a bigger rasengan. Kishi goofed up and he knew it and so to restore balance, naruto gained powers so fast as opposed to the gradual progress we saw him make in his other training when he was younger...tell me u didn't share his joy when he actually cracked the jutsus he was learning. Now...i don't feel nothing atall, it's too easy. noone shud say he was learning to control the kyuubi that's why. After a year of trying, if u can't crack it, jux move on to ninja training, cos he'll really need it more.

rapmike and kazekage- u guys are right about the edo tensei stuff. i agree.

KazeKage1: Isn't that an ability the rinnegan grants you?
I'm not looking to drag this any further, i'm just stating the obvious..Kishi is inconsistent/trolls too much. Yes, Izanami and Izanagi are a couple, besties, roommates,friends,colleagues et al.

1 - According to Narutopedia, he doesn't need a source to use it, so why hasn't Tobirama used his water jutsu?
2 - Why hasn't he broken free from edo tensei despite being its inventor?
3 - Where did the Byakugan originate from? Did the SoSP have it before gaining the rinnegan...or? Too many question but i don't want to bore you so i'll stop with these three.

oboy if u don't continue i'll curse ur a..s.s u can't leave this on a cliff hanger and jux let it go like that. U're unto something and i wanna hear it.

Let me try and see what i can do about madara's knowledge on edo tensei. Madara lived longer than tobirama and also has been experimenting alot. It's safe to say he found secrets to jutsu even the inventors didn't. but that's my two pasewas.

rapmike: Oops u said it...well i said so earlier,bt she aint d only 1, bt she is d most regular female.
As 4 madara and Azonto,aha dat dance easy. Jst transfer madara into real time,make him copy d dance wit sharingan and bam! There u hav ur madara dancing Azonto,lol. D 1 dat wil make me laugh is if,madara,hashrama,tobirama,kakashi and obito do atilogwu dance. Infinite genjutsu.

hahahahhahahahah, infinte genjutsu, lol. Anyways what that dance ? I'm ghanaian so i don't really know it. A link to youtube cud help.

firestar u're great...if only u participated in the debates more often. I wanna hear ur views.

firestar: Tryin' to make sense outta dis is as easy as making Madara do the Azonto...

If y'all don't tie up ya wires and holst ya kunai, Imma blast the bakayaro...:@

(...behaving like pre-genin @ Chunnin level):/

haven't u heard...kishi can make that happen. So jux call upon him and madara would be dancing the azonto like nobody's bizniz. Even better....his loyal fans would defend it to the death. U're covered firestar.


Hold on...are u a female...if u are then u're the first female i've met who likes manga/anime. That's great.

Mutaino7: thank u. Diz is what av bin trying to tell dem so called ass pullers.

We both know he won't. This is no excuse. As the story progresses more things come up which need explaining, he won't have tym for old plot holes. He'll jux say...deal with it. I'm moving on. Hahaha. Besides he hasn't explained the very older ones. What makes u think he'll explain newer old ones. Unless at the end he compiles all the plot holes and decides to tackle them one by one. That ain't happening.

WackyJ1: Kimco i think there are holes in the mangas you've been reading..

funny wacky...but u cud try to see with an objective eye that naruto as a manga is losing the story that made it a great piece of art and is jux giving powers to it major characters so it's too can sell to the fans of these characters, who by the way... Are plenty. So more sales.

WackyJ1: Kimco

Naruto changes people after just some few contact with them and that's one thing that naruto is specially known for, Kyuubi has spent 13 years watching naruto get rejected and hated (which should make kurama very happy), then seeing naruto overcome his hatred (showing a different reaction to hatred and death than he is used to), overcome his difficulties and refusing to quit or be discouraged even after experiencing loss, never giving up on his friends like sasuke even after all that sasuke has done to try and hurt naruto, (abeg go and watch the anime episode 216 and see whether tears will not want to leak from your eyes, But as a man, we lock that S.hit up), grow and become a strong ninja able to achieve his dream and more yet you still want him not to soften up?

Kishi has already shown you with that small flash back that the tailed beasts were not created to be evil by the sage of six paths and if because you have been seeing them acting evil for so long that you believe that that is all they have ever been, to the extent of calling what the creator of the series showed you as the origin a plot hole the you have confused and twisted yourself.

The sage of six paths gave life to mere chakra so it stands to reason that with his character, he would give them a life and personality that would reflect his own (not sure? check your bible). All it takes to bring back the memories is a little hope and that hope sustained by proof that with all that is going on in the world that one person can be different, that one person can respond differently to the external influences of the world, that is what naruto does that convinces people to believe in him just like nagato. But with the kyuubi's age and all that he has been through over the years including what he has done himself, he would require more proof than mere humans. Where you might get it wrong and call it a plot hole is where you started counting the proving from.

awwwwww. Dear sir. U to have tried. But no ur argument isn't enuff really. The fact that naruto can soften people's heart in minutes itself annoys me reeks of lack of originality. What kyuubi saw during naruto years of suffering and rejection didn't affect him. Even upto pain's fight he still had hatred for naruto and minato. He didn't change in nature...he was still full of hatred. If he was to change it shud have been gradual. But then jux when naruto needed the kyuubi...boom, fairy god mother kishimoto went to work with his wand and then kyuubi turns cheerleader and is lovey dovey towards the guy. Like i said...even a wild dog takes days to tame. Plus that scene was kishi's bulls.hit to make kyuubi look like he had a soft spot in his heart, that was really poor writing. Zap u kishi really, for insulting our intelligence. Loool.


And to the others saying we shud jux enjoy the anime/manga....how would u like it if orochimaru turned gud and after the war helped building the village back to what it was....how would u feel. I'll tell u how i'll feel, i'll cry myself to sleep every night for humanity. that's exactly what kishi has done to kyuubi. And ryt now, i'm trying hard to hold back the tears.

Tosyn007: We've been shown instances where shinobi's bodies destroy rocks, and we also see scenes where jutsus shatter rocks, which do you think is stronger?

oh u're trying very hard...but i got this in the bag.

Let's say a black belt karate fighter can break a cement block with his head, no injuries, no concusions. However if his head was smashed with this same block unawares ...it cud kill him flat. That how it work, he was nailed with a rock and was even smashed into one at high speed head first on both occasions. He shud have died, yet didn't which i understand...he's toff, but then rasengan hits him and ''oh my God! not Rasengan.....krrrrrrrr, i'm dieeeeeee''. Besides u said nothing about the shinra tensei and the mini bijuu bombs that hit him directly. Plot hole......yeah u heard me wacky...i said it...plot hole all over.

rapmike: Kimco,kimco haba! Taking out bleach lyke dat,ina men! I c u o!, although u talk true sha.
BTW, wat is d ful meaning of fma? Is it metal alchemist cos i heard dat dia is a manga by dat name.
Finally again, i dey hail ova bleach wey u tasi lyke dat. Bt u r rite, it seems dat d manga is contining jst 2 make money. At least mangas lyke Gamaran has ended,and bleach is stil looking pointless. Neva reali lykd it though. Naruto al d way 4 nw,since Gamaran has ended

hahahahahahhaa, i don't lie. Only the truth

Tosyn007: WaS IT kISHI THAT Told you one require Uchiha and Senju Dna and the other does not? Neither requires Senju Dna, its purely an Uchiha jutsu..

read rapmike's post....and to add to that izanami requires only uchiha cells. Itachi used it...we can ssaume he had no senju cells in him and so it didn't require it.

Feraz: I didn't know. Next I saw was an event reoccuring and Kishi termed it 'izanami' .
Just to get the Uchiha out of a tight spot

and it's requirement is an a.s.s pull as well. If they're related then shud n't they require the same things...why must one require senji cells and uchiha bloodline while the other require only uchiha. Even the history is poor. So for 10mins tops people were willing to sacrifice their eyes just to change reality and also fo intense brotherly love.... The others were willing to sacrifice their eyes to make the offenders repent. Kishi how horrible can u get. U're still better than kubo tite lol. U have tried., it's nt easy oooo

Tosyn007: We keep going round and round on this i lost track of what the basis is and believe me we can keep going on and on, now remind me what are really arguing about?

Errrrm...i dnt even remember.lol....buh yeah... I'm enjoying this