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Kaycee7: Evil cult as in Jet Li's Evil Cult?

yeah....see how fantasy runs wild in that movie?

did u like dat movie kaycee...?

viruz007: please don't tell me about movies, i blog about them... movies involve humans and der r limits, anime... let imagination be ur guide...

gud for u mr movie blogger. It's actually sad u don't even know what u're talking about. watch evil cult and come back to whichever limits u're talking about. can i read some of ur blogs? Pretty please

Ihedinobi: Ok! I'm finally up to speed! Wacky-kun, you the man! You totally repped, nigga!

Tosyn, maybe, maybe not. If he was born with chakra, he prolly used ninjutsu. So the need to be Uzumaki may be gone although not necessarily - Uzumaki just aren't good with ninjutsu not that they don't have chakra. The ish here is that if his momma was the first to possess chakra then there was prolly no fuinjutsu either before her and him making the Uzumaki theory unnecessary. But that raises another question: how did he use ninjutsu to defeat something that can negate ninjutsu?

I can also wager that the Sage was born with the eyes because of that fruit his momma ate, but the info so far does not necessitate that. He may not have needed to have the eyes to defeat the Juubi.

@new chapter, where the deuce did Sarutobi come out of? And this situation looks very nasty. Can't imagine what anyone could do here o. But if the Sage could defeat the GT with chakra then someone here can too.

I think Sarutobi is about to justify his title as Shinobi no Kami.

KK, you don see the Suiton you wan see na, abi?

Kimco, bros, abeg confirm d plotholes for us.

The chapter was nice, maybe even great. At least the twist was great. Leaves me with anticipation. I hate suspence Don't know when Kishi'll realize it!

i'll listen to advice atleast this once and wait for kishi's explanations in the coming weeks. If he fails and it ends....i'll deal with u all

ledafaze: Upon all their sacrifices and wahala.... the Shiki still lives... No suspecting moment... Nice Anime...

Anyone into Berserk?

i'll look into berserk. Shiki's ending is not ur usual happy ending. For me that's refreshing.

ayobarmy: Good day guys pls am confused on which type of tv to buy, the one my supplier sent to me(UA32EH4003R) samsung was very dull in terms of picture, pls guys if you know any1 with a crystal clear picture pls kindly help me with the model number and the price..... Thanks

panasonic s60. This is their lower end brands still a force to be reconed with.
But if u have more more then try the st60 series dats the mid class. I'm assuuming u don't have money to throw around but if u do then the best of the best would be the vt60 series. However u look panasonic plasma screen are king of plasma tvs. Chk them out.

viruz007: Can you blokes stop it already? Where you expecting him to give you detail by detail how the kyuubi was changing? Like a movie u can't have the full shebang and for pete's sake and the last time, it's goddamn fiction... Anime/manga not even a movie. Sheesh

well, yeah...that's what i was expecting. Seeing as the manga has a longer running tym than a movie and all the tym in the world to have done it all.

Oh and here's a secret- most movies are fiction too and the anime actually run longer than any movie. If a movie can squeeze step by step details in jux under 3hrs (inception) then by all means it can't be out of this world to expect such from an anime series which has clocked over 100+++hrs.

biolabee: @kimco it's not about not critiquing

If uve been long on this forum you will know that we also discuss plot holes extensively

Like me I still didn't get how easy it was for the hassler of minato to loose so easily to kakashi

But we all agreed to wait for kishi to unveil all secrets hence the tag #siddonlook

For your beef with naruto and kurama this has been explained extensively in ep 329 yet you insist you will not watch the anime and your logical conclusion is to call kishi 'good' yet you hang on to wait for the story conclusion

Do yourself a favor and stop readin it like moi who just got tired of bleach when they stated dreaming up crap like full bring, quincy war

Crap

hey why wasn't i briefed on that group decision. Okay fine i'll also wait. Bleach ended with aizen's arc...that's all i wanted to see. Naruto's main manga hasn't ended and i must finish it so help me God. It'll be a crime to my state of mind if i don't.

btw @wacky i've put my response to u on hold. but like i said. All u're doing is assumptions. Explaining things not backed up be manga. U're trying to make sense of the manga and for that is normal(defense mechanism). But for u to be doing it and not kishi means kishi has failed in that sense. Not everyone can fill the holes like u are trying to do. Nobody shud visit a forum b4 they can get an explanation of what shud be and what isn't. That's kishi's job. So yeah i'll wait out on the manga b4 i clam kishi's throat.

firestar: Pepper go rest...

what can i say...i'm reasonable.

firestar: Remind me to never underestimate maxims pieces of advice such as 'shine yua eyes'



Madara is just doing what he knows best: Being an +*&^%$
...and he gives us lessons of ancient mythology to way back when the world was young...
Impeccable timing. (applause) He just had to divert Hashirama's attention till the last moment where even nitwits turn geniuses.
All hail the Uchiha arrogance.

Now, what's the Kyuubi and Hachi without power now that the god tree has mopped up all the juice?
No chakra, no jutsu. Okay now... Sasuke's Sharingan? Off. Minato's FTG. Off. Tobirama's suiton technique looks pretty pathetic in the midst of flying roots. Hey, Hashirama should feel right at home!

Now concerning Mythology we have:

Constants
-tree
-forbidden fruit
-woman

Variables
-feuding parties
-progenitor of everything jutsu

Concerning loose ends we have:

The Gokage

Orochimaru
Suigetsu
Karin

Kakashi

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(meditation mode)

ok

firestar: Remind me to never underestimate maxims pieces of advice such as 'shine yua eyes'



Madara is just doing what he knows best: Being an +*&^%$
...and he gives us lessons of ancient mythology to way back when the world was young...
Impeccable timing. (applause) He just had to divert Hashirama's attention till the last moment where even nitwits turn geniuses.
All hail the Uchiha arrogance.

Now, what's the Kyuubi and Hachi without power now that the god tree has mopped up all the juice?
No chakra, no jutsu. Okay now... Sasuke's Sharingan? Off. Minato's FTG. Off. Tobirama's suiton technique looks pretty pathetic in the midst of flying roots. Hey, Hashirama should feel right at home!

Now concerning Mythology we have:

Constants
-tree
-forbidden fruit
-woman

Variables
-feuding parties
-progenitor of everything jutsu

Concerning loose ends we have:

The Gokage

Orochimaru
Suigetsu
Karin

Kakashi

................................................................................









(meditation mode)

ok

Tosyn007: Honestly, I'm waiting for a SHORT story from you, I just hope you're half as good as your skill of criticism

when did it become mandatory for someone to be prolific at something b4 they can critique any subject pertaining that particular thing in question?

Hey i can't act too, shudn't i be able to say tonto dike is a shitty actress....? If i can praise something shudn't i be able to critisize it as well. Must we all be praising.

Sorry to burst ur bubble tosyn...u'll be waiting for long cos i can't write for sh.i..t. i can't act and i can't direct a movie. Guess what? That's why i'm not doing it at all. Those who say they can, shud do it well. We critique cos we want the best. I'm still readong the manga, ain't i....? Nuff said.

Tosyn007: Every average Senju has high level of chakra and I can bet Tobirama's chakra is way more than Madara's

If I remember the chunnin exam correctly he placed the tags on them before the gain consciousness

u remember wrongly...they had consciousness b4 he put the tag on them...that's when they lost it. Jux wanted to put it there. Carry on.

Feraz: Pls, let us all not argue and discuss today's chapter. Thanks.

u're asking us to go to the lion's den. I'm really waiting for next week to shed more light on this revelation b4 i even begin to talk aba it.

rapmike: Kimco,am seeing tingz, i jst took an apple nw and my eyes enterd MS mode.....lol.
Wonda wat firestar-chan and wacky-nichan r up to.

ma guy, ur next mission would be to look for a tailed beast and control ooo. Then u'll be king of the world lol.

Wacky nii sama...what power did ur forbidden fruit grant u? Oya spill it jor. (i'm trying with this pidgin o)

Firestar u too.

Btw where is the great sarutobie san

biolabee: Dude...I will rest my case
When youve written a short story then u can talk
Otherwise u will be branded a heretic for calling kishi just 'good'

Toodles

don't say dat dawg...we have every ryt to critique any work, jux like we have the right to praise it. Let there not be double standards. by that any one has the right to critisize me or praise me in respect to what they think about my work also, given that they provide constructive comments.

biolabee: u make me laff... if kishi is above average as you may be insinuating, you will not be a discussant on a thread that has 250 pages

The program will not hav lasted 13 years with millions of global fans

hey bleach has that much fans too. It must be great too, not. Naruto used to be gud, i've been saying dat for long. But after the tym skip...not so gud. I'm still ff cos i need to see how it ends. Invested to much tym...can't stop now. Plus the fight scene are one of the best. That much i can give kishi. all said and done he is a gud writer not a great one. i wasn't saying kishi was an above average writer. Was making a comparison. Didn't want to use poor so many people don't kill me like u're trying to do now.

Tosyn007: You're forgetting one major thing, this is fiction/fantasy and Kishi can start his story from anywhere hell he could even say angel came down from heaven to sex a woman and the woman gave birth to Rikudo having powers and chakra...

and that, dude, is the difference between a great writer and an above average one.

rapmike: I hav nt read it,bt if wat u guys r saying is true, then,WTF!!! Chakra came 4rm d 4bidden fruit. Nw dis is nt ass pull again,NA LIFE PULL BE DIS? Kishi must be high smwia.
Although if chakra dey 4rm dat fruit,e mean say,i get chakra. Oya,firestar-chan,wacky-nichan and kimco-kun,make we cum do chakra practice,we must find our chakra 2day! Lol

hahahahahaha! ma guy...the most wonderful thing happened to me today....i was jux taking a stroll and decided to buy some apples. So i get home and started enjoying my (forbidden) fruits. Can u believe it...now i'm full of chakra....i'm using water jutsu all around. Even tried suiton: suiji heki. worked nicely too. I have found mine ooo. Find ur own too tosyn.

[quote author=Nairaland=info]@kimco
lyk u i alwayz find potholez but den i decided 2 wait 4 kishi 2 eitha xplain or wait 4 d manga 2 finiz....
e.g. 2day'z chapta sayz it all---dat wi shld all wait till kishi finizez his stori[/quote]but my questions haven't been answered. I don't see them being answered. Which of urs was answered anyways

[quote author=Nairaland=info]@kimco
weneva killa-b warnz naruto of d xx chakra he waz usin, hachibi interceptz him 2 make B realize kurama no longa steal hiz chakra.....also don't 4get dat all d bijuuz hated humanz cos of dier past r/ship e.g. past shinobiz lyk madara, 3rd raikage,etc ONLY c d bijuuz as WEAPONz 4 WAR but naruto showed dem luv, sympathy, feelins, etc & even appreciated dier pain. &
Try go wash d anime o[/quote]everything i need to know is in the manga.

U're assuming i don't believe the kyuubi can change. What i want is to see it happen at a realistic (contextual) state. Not jux boom, oh...u are my friend. We gotta see it happen.

I want that page tho where hachibi intercept him saying kyuubi no longer eats his chakra.

Feraz: tell Kimco....

happy assuming feraz. Point me to the page or chapters where this was said.

WackyJ1: 1. It's not about Cells or whatever for breaking the restraint, it's about Chakra level, both madara and harashima had high level chakra hence they were able to break free from control don't just look at it from only one side because orochimaru was using the first's chakra. It's knowledge of the jutsu that accounts for the increase In effectiveness while harashima's cells account for increase in restraint.. Orochimaru perfected the jutsu to bring them back to full strength which he didn't do before and also strengthening the power of the restraint to just above the 2nd's ability but below the first. Meaning that If orochimaru had enough chakra preferably from another source then even harashima would not have broken free.
2. I say it's not about free will because if orochimaru had brought them back before with full powers yet without the power to hold them back then they would have broken free before they could have their tags implanted.

sorry u're wrong. Madara didn't break the restraint. He broke the link to the jutsu itself. Hashi broke the restraint because it's his chakra used to strengthen it. the free will part is still a bit iffy tho. Let me have tym for this and i'll deal with all ur posts. They have a lot of holes in dem.

WackyJ1: Tosyn you tried but that wasn't the real answer
Kimco you keep going on and on about the manga, next time make sure you actually read it carefully

and in case you didn't understand what the manga picture is saying, harashima and tobirama were not able to break free from the edo tensei because they were not brought back at their full strength back then due to the technique not being fully perfected by orochimaru

not entirely correct. Tosyn's explanation is correct. It was free will, and also the fact that orochimaru had taken the body of that plant guy (forgot his name, oh my memory) which was hashi's cell. Even tobirama stated that orochimaru was full of it. Oro used it to strengthen the edo tensei to reach near full power (right about that) but also to strengthen the restraint. Which means he cud have the best of both worlds. However since it was hashi's cell he was able to break that restraint. His point gave me the full idea that's why i gave him his ''like''.

wacky i asked a question...stop being a jerk really. I wanted to know cos it confused me alot. Atleast i wasn't claiming to know.

biolabee: Kimco dude

I'm very calm rather it seems you just want to keep your line of thought and not listen to anyone

If you can't even agree that kurama stopped eating naruto chakra at a point in the battle, what are we talking about

I rest my case

I leave you to firestar-chan to give you some ramen to chill you out

dude naaa, indomie ruined my stomach for any future ramen. Not even firestars ramen can make me eat. I am calm dude. I've been laffing more than most throughout. Certainly more than wacky. Haha, no offence wacky. And also i jux want directions to that fact that's all. simply direct me...it can't be that hard.

Tosyn007: One word FREEWILL, in the chunnin arc, he didn't give them freewill, immediately he resurrected them, they were under his control, when Madara was Edoed, he had his freewill just like MU cos Kabuto knows he voluntarily go to war against the shinobis, and when Orochimaru edoed the four Hokages, he didn't take away their freewill, Tobirama would have broken free but for the fact that Oro's version was strenghtened by Hashi's cell, the more reason why Hashirama breaking free was easy...

well explained. Thank u.

Wacky! a genuine question for u. Lol

How come hashirama was able to break the edo tensei control from orochimaru the second tym he ressurected them but when he did it the first tym hashi didn't break them.

I know he said he wasn't controlling them cos he wanted their stories. but during the first tym they spoke with sarutobie, even said they had to obey orochimaru b4 the were tagged. So why cudn't he do it then, but can do it now?

WackyJ1: This down here is part of what i have been saying



From this your post, if i try to envision what you were expecting and i then imagine what it would have been like had we seen it then i still think you yourself would have called it a plot hole.
If Kurama had been showing the signs since would you now have been saying that it was too easy and that kurama had not been seeing anything for him to start changing the way he is changing. I'm even inclined to believe that what you really want is for Kurama not to change at all. That is what would have made you happy.

Like a said before my main point is that naruto's actions have been having a subtle effect on the kyuubi since but he has been hiding it very well while continually watching naruto's actions, before they fully cooperated kurama even stopped eating naruto's chakra, that was a subtle sign and was good enough for me, what more did you want? A verbal confirmation from the Kyuubi?


As for the above, all joined, for a tough guy like the kyuubi, a little rough handling is needed to handle him whcih would earn naruto respect from the great tailed beast, but then the important thing is not what naruto did in collecting the chakra but why he collected it and what he used it to do. Kurama saw all that and it was still saved with kurama. what you saw in that one day was the proverbial straw that broke the camels back of all that naruto had been doing that convinced kurama he was someone worth believing in or atleast taking a leap of faith with

i don't believe this....wacky u really are willing to swallow everything given to u by kishi aren't u. ''Proverbial straw that broke the camels back''? Dude that straw broke the camels back when naruto decided to whack the beast with a hundred rasengans and literarily steal chakra from him to fuel himself...much more like the U.S.A is doing to iraq ect. Then after that u're telling me that the end is what justifies it? If kyuubi didn't care for that little baby and was about to kill it, if kyuubi didn't care for that little 10yr old or something...in his years of suffering and rejection, what makes u think he'll care now for the 16yr old boy who beat him up like a common dog for chakra and is trying to play a hero? I'm sure even bee took tym to win over the hachibi. Really think about it wacky.

To address ur first point- u know what i want...consistency. If u want kyuubi to change...show it from tym to tym...so when it finally happens, nobody complains. But when it jux happens at the convenience of the major character then that's bad writing. I don't want anything wacky...i jux want the storytelling to be top notch, jux like it was before the time skip. As it stands, it failing these days.

I still read the manga, cos as it stands, i can't give up now...not after i've invested so much tym. Atleast i wanna see how it ends.

And oh excuse me everyone...i may be wrong... but where was it stated that kyuubi was eating naruto's chakra atall? Wacky, are u writing ur own personal naruto manga?

WackyJ1: I THOUGHT we already attempted to clear this up before. THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BREAKING FREE FROM THE CONTROL OF THE EDO TNESEI USER AND BREAKING FREE FROM THE TECHNIQUE ITSELF.
Take for example the people we know that have been put under the edo tensei
1, Itachi was broken free from the control of nagato by Shisui's Mangeykyo but when Kabuto released the edo tensei, he was still taken away.
2. Harashima broke free from orochimaru's control instantly
3 So did madara but just when he was about to be taken away too by the release of the edo tensei, he had to use the hand seals to break himself away from the original technique itself. So now he remains, if Orochimaru releases his edo tensei, the first hokage would go along with the other hokage if they do not know the hand seals but Madara would still remain because he is not bound to any technique.







You're still asking all this when you have seen what orochimaru and kabuto have done on their own to uncover the secrets of the ninja world, even madara was surprised at what kabuto knew and was asking him whether he was able to decipher what was written on the tomb stone.
Madara was alive till the time that he killed himself meaning that he was there when tobirama invented the edo tensei, he must have seen it in action and he must have deduced the workings of it atleast how to do the jutsu. The rest of how far he can go with it, was up to him, while others labelled it as kinjutsu and probably stopped it's use, madara may have continued to experiment with it up until the inevitable question came:

"How do i make a summoned soul stay even after the jutsu has been undone"
The question is now whether you think the answer to that question can be found by madara or not, even i believe that if orchimaru has concentrated he would have found the answer to it.

Also you have to consider that Madara lived way longer than Tobirama infact tobirama died in his youth, he wasn't that old yet. So wondering why he can't break free or why he hadn't figured it out is akin to asking why minato the inventor of the rasengan cannot do the rasenshuriken


Look how easily you gave up your stand, now i see why attributing stuff to plotholes is easier for you

wacky u have a lot of assumptions with so little facts (ur points, not ur story). Stop doing kishi's work for him. Jux admit it's a plot hole. For u to be assuming this much means kishi failed to do his explaining.

And oh i didn't give up my stance...i find it silly that the inventor who was intelligent couldn't have found a way to sustain his edo tensei even when the jutsu has been disabled, i mean, wouldn't that be the next top prioty after creating ur never dying zombie ninjas. plus we don't know whether it is required that the edo tensei ninja or the user himself shud make that seal to sustain. How come orochimaru and even kabuto didn't know about it after extensive study on it. Somehow madara is smarter than them? Even when they had newer tools and tech to study it better, madara's wisdom still beats them all? Even when they were able to advance the level of power attributed to the edos? U know it's ridiculous when u as a fan have to fetch this far to even make sense out of an a.s.s. Pull.

Tosyn007: It wasn't used to save them, it was used to punish them, as I said earlier, Senju cells were only needed to strenghten their chakra and not a primary requirement for the jutsu to work, cos of their powerful chakra which Itachi doesn't need for Izanami since he's was in Edo Tensei, and if Senju clan members are being taken for this reason, don't you think that woulda spark an endless war?

Now i'll give u an assignment read that manga panel again and come back. Manga, not anime. Then u'll know that it was to save them not punish them. Ironic isn't it.

''Did not know who it was f.u.c..king with''- riddick, pitch black

''...it's jux that u're used to winning....and u're not really a leader until u've lost'' col. Iverson, the core

WackyJ1: I've been seeing some wack statements made on pages 244 and 245 and i Just vexed and decided i must address, some experts at finding plot holes have not even understood how the ninja world works first, they just wanna watch fight and go.Before you find some nice quality plot holes, first try and understand the system of things and then you can now be able to see things clearly, not just to see something you cannot understand and bam it is a plot hole

Dude stop this vague things u're doing and put some meaning into them. By that i mean state ur argument in full. Don't jux say stuff like this and hope that we'll understand what u mean.

And for ur info we're using the information about kishi's world to critisize his work. Otherwise our arguments would hold no water and jux be vague. And as far as i'm concerned...it is holding water...lots of it.

Baddestguyp: yh i remember. In the manga, obito needs contact for kamui bt in the anime, he used kamui without contact. Bt im nt supporting u about the kurama/naruto issue

It would be boring if u did. But pls do bring out ur ''arsenal'' as to why u won't support me on that. Cos i'm still standing tall.