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Tosyn007: Bump fist with me then lol...

*brofist*

Tosyn007: Here you go again...and as for the Naruto Kyuubi convo, he was reminding him what happened when Naruto in sage mode confronted Nagato in that tree and Nagato impaled him with a chakra rod to trey and control him, but that awaken kyuubi and at that point Kuyyubi's chakra mixed with Naruto's sage mode and Naruto obtained both Kyuubi and sage mode eyes at that same moment...

the first part was an obvious joke...i even typed lol at the end...u shud chill dude.

Thank u for the second part.

GRIMM JOE: sasuke is strong remaimber dat his susano is not yet complete unlike madaras dat d only power left 4 him to obtain
but naruto also has power to atain d remaining part of d kubi and its seems u guy have forgoten dat naruto still has one or two element to add mayb water...earth......because a shinobi can have more dan two element

like gara has two earth and wind(what?) remaimber when he fought with d guy dat uses bones(forgot his name)he created sand from a rock

The powerups are getting outrageous tbh

Ps: sand is fine rock particles...he took the finest and hardest from under ground. Didn't create them from rocks when he fought kimimaro

Twisting: Sasuke's was awed #645

i think he was awed at the amount of asspull power kishi was just giving to naruto as compared to him.


Sasuke: kishi why u no love me anymore....whyyyyyyyy! Lol

Can someone explain kurama's explanation to naruto? I dnt get it?

[quote author=Feraz][/quote]hmmmm, kishi might make it happen. Besides this year is kakashi's year...so says kishi

Feraz: real or not, it's the same thing we're saying. It didn't work simple. A technique doesn't work twice because Kakashi isn't stupid to let you use it again on him. Even Itachi was fooled into believing that he was actually casting Kakashi into a genjutsu until he discovered that it was a clone.

Mid difficulty? Wow! You really are underestimating Kakashi. You said array of jutsu doesn't equal win. I agree with that neither did I say it was going to be useless. I'll give you an example. When they wanted to fight Kakuzu and Hidan that Chouji used his meat ball technique on Kakuzu which didn't scratch his body, what saved Kakuzu? His earth technique. While Kakashi watched above, he recognised the handseal (which I can say he must have fought someone who used similar technique). Didn't that help him? If not for the fact that Kakuzu had some hearts remaining to use, he'd have been a goner. So in essence, no matter how you put it, Kakashi must see a technique which he'll use to counter Kisame.

a win against a 30% clone isn't worth lauding. But u're ryt, he would be smart not to fall for it again...however if he did....

Against overpowering foes he's been outclassed. That's ur analytic prowess out the window. analysis must be backed by power. Kisame isn't stupid...so if kakashi is analysing...so would kisame be. Don't think he'll jux go in there like a meat head like hidan. He's actually quite smart as we've seen. A hardcore ninja to the core. U seem to be underestimating kisame, like i used to b4 i saw the fight against bee.

Ps: kakashi doesn't need to have fought a ninja using similar jutsu...he saw the woven signs as earth and concluded that lightening was it counter.

my answer is no! I realised that as i grew up i started understand the adult joke in the cartoons such as johny bravo, flap jack and the looney toons. They only play goofy but they actually have adult contents alot. I still watch cartoons and pops does too

Feraz: Summary of my posts on this argument so far:
1. Will Itachi defeat Kakashi? Yes! As seen in their first battle.
2. Will tsukuyomi work again on Kakashi? No! Reason being that a technique doesn't work on Kakashi twice (as can be seen when he was first imprisoned with the water prison jutsu Zabuza used of which Zabuza tried using it again but failed. Also, when Itachi used tsukuyomi on Kakashi first at their first encounter, it worked. The second time, it didn't as seen during their small battle while going to save Gaara.)
3. Will Kisame win Kakashi? No! Reason being from my point of view, Kakashi has so many array of jutsus from the hidden mist which he got from his previous battles with Zabuza and so many other shinobis he fought. (even Kisame was shocked at the level of jutsus and skills he used and displayed in their first encounter with him)

poor analogy ma guy. The 2nd tsukiyomi didn't connect with the real kakashi.

array of justu doesn't equal win. ofcos he was impressed, but doesn't mean kakashi cud defeat him. he can't replicate all of kisames jutsu esp. The s class level types cos that requires chakra do so. Kisame takes this fight...with mid difficulty.

Tosyn007: The question I asked you is a 'yes' or 'no' kinda question and that's what I want

oh okay...YES!

okay i call a truce on this argument on talk no jutsu and kishi's writing. Let's agree to disagree..besides...what will be the fun if we all agreed with each other. Let's discuss the latest chapter. I must say...ii can discuss nothing cos nothing really happened. tosyn....let's move on to newer things. What do u say?

Feraz: I'm done arguing this point since y'all believe that the almighty tsukuyomi will still affect Kakashi meanwhile we saw in the manga and anime where Itachi tried using it again while Kakashi, Naruto and co were going to save Gaara and noticed it wasn't working. Yet, Itachi is a don. It's funny how we take info that suits us even when facts are provided.Kisame, more intelligent and stronger than Kakashi? Wow! And when was it stated that his analytical skills make him invincible? We even saw the backup plan he had if Shikamaru hadn't acted fast.



P.S: you're taking this thing too personal. We all come here, argue to catch fun, learn, explain chapters and battles to people who don't understand and bring our own theories.

i meant kisame is stronger...than kakashi (he is, unless u can prove otherwise) and he's also smart not as stupid as u want him to be...not saying he's smarter.


Nb: dude calm down. nobody is taking this personal. I love to argue alot, that's my nature...sometyms my intonation fail me and for that i apologise.

Tosyn007: I don't see how this makes Kishi a bad writer that you paint him to be..

Watch hunter x hunter (kindda simlar to naruto) or fma: brotherhood and come back saying the same thing and i'll consider ur post.

Feraz: was he talking to Kakashi or was Kakashi talking to Naruto? Even Chiyo said something about fighting the sharingan without looking at the eyes. That was when Itachi showed he could cast genjutsu by mere finger pointing and Naruto happened to be caught. You even said tsukuyomi is tsukuyomi and we know Itachi's genjutsu is called tsukuyomi so what makes that genjutsu different from others even when we know it was 30%?

wrong again...itachi's genjutsu isn't tsukiyomi...itachi has tsukiyomi. He can can't nomal genjutsus as well, like w@ he did to orochimaru and naruto. Those were normal paralysis genjutsu. He specifically said he cud use tsukiyomi until he was forced at the last minute to do so. With 30% chakra, he was incapable of doing two of them, when he cudn't even use it twice at full chakra without taking a hit. Kakashi was warning the others who didn't know of the jutsu like he did.

Feraz: Y'all actually think I underestimate Itachi? Check through my posts here, you'll see I regard Itachi as one of the best young shinobis. Itachi is a freaking genius no doubt that can take on S-classed shinobis without sweat. Now, I'm not saying Kakashi will beat Itachi at his current stage. You guys also forget that you can't use a technique twice on Kakashi. I'm an Itachi fan but when I see people that will floor Itachi, I'll say so. Kakashi will win Itachi if he is an Uchiha.

Now, to Kisame, you actually think Kisame will win Kakashi? Kisame that couldn't beat Ibiki as at then till he had Sameheda. Kakashi will win Kisame wellllll. Watch all Kakashi's battles again and tell me what you notice. People be underestimating Kakashi because he has a borrowed sharingan that depletes his chakra.

Watch when Itachi and Kisame came. Kakashi wasn't bothered by Kisame but Itachi. Itachi even told him that their battle wouldn't take time if Kakashi was facing him instead of Kisame. Kakashi acknowledged that fact cos he knew Itachi was right. His chakra and body wouldn't keep up with that of a true Uchiha.

First part...he might....but dats a pointless argument cos he's not.

Second part: he didn't run away from ibiki....he run away from a group of elite konoha ninja led by ibiki. Plus he was young and not as experienced as he is now. He's not stupid he knows it best not to fight...why risk fighting when might not even win. He even told ibiki that they shud try and fight anoda tym if they meet again.

Third part: kakashi didn't know too much about kisame but knew of itachi, his credentials etc. Why fear someone u know almost nothing about as compared to the other whose skills u know about. And yes! Kisamee fighting techniques draw too much attention and can drag on...but he would drain u dry, dats for sure. Itachi's however are subtle things like tsukiyomi as we saw, it ends the battles quickly. That's why kisame agreed with him. And that why i agree with them.

Tosyn007: He tried talking out Sasuke but it didnt work, he hardly talk to Sai but Sai changed,,,,oya gimme an excuse for these two theories

Why don't u try giving me excuses for all the examples i have laid down...u're jux using the strawman's argument. Besides sai changed from listening to him talk no jutsu to other people. Sasuke's was to progress the story. Now it's ur turn. Provide excuse for the pain scenario.

Feraz: Tsukuyomi will never work again on Kakashi. As far as Itachi has used it before to get Kakashi, he can'tuse it again.

Not true...the tym he fought the 30% itachi he specifically said not to look into his eyes, that was for a reason. He may not fall for it again, however if he did...he cud be a goner.

Brisingr: A Pastor spreading peace with talk no jutsu.

Loooool + 10000

Tosyn007: He had to make it look real enough for Sasuke to think he's fighting Itachi in full strength, so Itachi won't use the tsukuyomi to full strenght, the victory woulda been too easy at the end of the day.

true however tsukiyomi is tsukiyomi, he uses ur greatest fear against u and in sasuke's case he used it on both occasions. That is enough to paralyse u. He wanted to test how strong sasuke was. Tsukiyomi was one way to do so, to see how strong how his sharingan has grown. We haven't been introduced to a lesser tsukiyomi. Tsukiyomi is tsukiyomi. Period

Tosyn007: Lemme help him then, one question...were the intels really responsible for Naruto's victory?

they were the reason why he reduced the pain's bodies. And the reason why he cud aim for the last pain within the 10 second delay and crush him. Is that gud enough?

Feraz: This is what I'm aying. Kakashi won't just go into battle like that without analyzing his opponent cos he works in tandem with his chakra level. He always has a backup plan. Kakashi is another person that doesn't believe in using his dojutsu to win battles. He is very analytical.

hasn't stopped him from being a.s.s whooped by stronger opponents a la kakuzu et pain. his analytical prowess doesn't make him invincible otherwise shikaku would be king. Kisame is jux stronger and intelligent as well.

Tosyn007: Doesn't matter, Itachi is a Don, and when it comes to fighting, his analytical skills are top notch. His genjutsus against Sasuke are the weaker versions cos he never meant to kill Sasuke.

No dude, don't assume they were weaker, it was still tsukiyomi. Plus genjustu doesn't kill, it's meant to paralyse. None of the gentsujus used have killed anyone. They only paralyse including tsukiyomi and frog song.
However i agree itachi is really gud.

Tosyn007: You skip'em cos maybe you're rewatching it, you skip them you skip vital infos

Dude really? Is that ur answer?i do that with newer episodes as well. And no i don't miss vital infos....saying the same thing with the same musical scores (musical scores are significant for telling the mood of the scene, i hope u know that) believe me, it's the same ol' bull.

[quote author=Nairaland=info]@kimco
take am easi, na play all of us dey play here &
guyzez abeg kontinue wit ya arguement cos i dey enjoi yam wella

A beta fighta (havin jiraiya, minato & red-tomato by hiz side to teach him many 4bidden jutsuz) wit pawaful chakra reserves[/quote]u right, i apologise.

Second part...oh how i agree with u. I was hoping naruto would be more about team work. Him without the kyuubi would've been nice tho. Too much power up.

Ihedinobi: Makes sense

How about when they were fighting in the dimension? How do u explain that? Was he controlling the 10 tails then too?

Ihedinobi: So he had intel, so what? How much intel did he have? What difference did it make? Why is it that big of a deal to you?

how can anybody take this guy serious when he can say stuff like this. I won't lecture u...don't have tym..i hope someone helps u on that front.

viruz007: Itachi was known for casting genjutsu by merely looking at is clothes let alone his eyes... Baba is genjutsu king so leave talk.

cast genjutsu by looking at his clothes? My lord guy, when did this amazing technique happen?

Ihedinobi: I get that. It's like saying that if Naruto was in Jiraiya-sama's and Kakashi-sama's shoes (with less than enough chakra and all the other things either possesses - wits, array of jutsus etc), he would have fared worse. There's nothing strange about that. Naruto won because he was Naruto - a fricking chakra monster with the Kyuubi and a simple refusal to quit fighting until he was as dead as dead could get. Jiraiya-dono and Kakashi-dono both lost and neither was Naruto with his ubiquitous stupidity and seemingly inexhaustible chakra and the Kyuubi.

he won because he had intel (intel in the ninja world cud be the deciding factor in win or lose) and didn't fight alone....there were a lot of summons behind him on that. He even was saved by hinata, c'mon. Please let's stop forgeting this fact.

rapmike: Guy,if na pain obito used connect 2 nagato, naruto also suffered pain 2.

naruto suffered the pain of rejection. He was a baby when his parents died and cudn't have suffered their lost as much. However....pain lost his parent to ninjas right infront of him. Then he lost a sibling he held so dear to his heart to a corrupt ninja system. Do u think u can compare these two people's pain. Don't be silly. Bring up something better than dat.

Baddestguyp: i swear, he wont even need to fight. He'll just be using kamui nd let his enemies die of hunger in the other dimension

hahahahahahahhaahahahhaahhahahahahaha

Tosyn007: Book/movie...compared to how many hours of Naruto/Naruto Shippudden

doesn't that make it worse ma guy? The longer the literature, the more of the same message we get to hear so much that we're passed the point of boredom? I don't know about u but for me i skip every part naruto decided to give his ''famous'' speeches. Even if it's the whole episode. U seem to enjoy it though. Gud for u.

Baddestguyp: ur explanation was perfect bt i tink kakashi'll find a way to kamui his way out cos he's smarter. As for kisame, all he has to do is drag the battle nd nt take any unneccessary (dunno bout my spelling) risks

he might stand the risk of defenselessness, cos u know....it drains his chakra very much. But ofcos...jux like i said...he better find a way out of it otherwise kisame would be mauling him for dinner (pun intended).

Baddestguyp: i've watched it so many times nd i cant remember him complaining bt i'll leave dat to anoda day. Now i said kakashi'll defeat itachi ONLY WITH enough chakra. With his current chakra level, its next to impossible. Bt if d sharingan didnt suck his chakra, he'd cleanly defeat itachi EASILY. It would be a one sided battle

that would've been horrible. the manga would've been called ''kakashi...the beast'' hahahahah