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Tosyn007: You can't just assume they'll think the same way Naruto did, its baseless and besides Naruto didn't just have those powers, he worked harder than anyone to earn them.

He spent days mourning, but you gotta admit that unlike Naruto, it was a second chance for him which Naruto didn't have, making him a much more prepared shinobi compared to Naruto. Naruto was also summoned to go and learn sage mode when he was mourning Jiraiya's death, so you can't use that as an exccuse that he wasn't preparing allthrough those days.

just one of Pain summons was giving all the toads hell and you said they were greater? Naruto had to take out the one in charge of the summonings, the god realm was out but he had 5 more paths use till the power of Tendo came around, that aint no disadvantage. Hidan saw Shikamaru's power but unlike shikamaru, he didn't take days to prepare for them, instead he went about with Kakuzu looking for bounties, Naruto had the intels, and he had just 15 minutes to take down 6 paths, you're saying it as if the intels will guarantee victory while you aint admitting that planning for an opponent not as defensive/offensive as Pain won't guarantee victory..it was left to him to figure out what to do with the intels in very short time, if first hand experience and preparedness doesn't guarantee victory, how the heck will just intels and lack of time to prepare will?

After impaling Naruto with the chakra rod, it completely paralysed him and you say they weren't important?

His plans for Hidan perfectly worked cos the guy was one dimensional but he didn't plan too much for Kakuzu cos he left him for Kakashi to deal with and that was where things went awry not on Hidan's part.

There's a saying, "Knowledge is power" and isn't that what Shikamaru have in abundance? Shikamaru was the smartest, he had first hand experience, and time to only figure out how to decapitate the guy, he can't die but his body is surely human, even after Naruto defeated Pain, Nagato himself was no push over, if Shikaku and ino's Pop had gone in ahead of Naruto, he would simply had puppetted them. No matter how you look at it, Hidan was sent to go capture the 2 tails and Pain went for 6 tails capturing him in a blink, while Hidan went through hell with the 2 tails,

I didn't assume they would think the same way. However u are assuming naruto's way was the only way to tackle pain. I'm willing to bet that if shikamaru had naruto arsenal yet retained his brains, he'd have tackled pain much better. Naruto did work for some powers and some were freely given to him by kishi (tamed kyuubi and lightening speed to deflect bijuu bombs). That what i'm hitting at here. He has too much convenience. I loved it when way back naruto was clawing his way to the top through hard work and earger to train. Now it's handed to him like candy.

Shikamru mourned the dead body of asuma who had a funeral rite(in two days, i think). Naruto jux mourned the news of jiraiya's death. Asuma died with shikamaru present, jiraiya's death came as news to naruto. shikamaru blamed himself for his sensei's death even began to doubt his intellectual skill set... Naruto was sad he had lost his teacher and blamed tsunade for it. Do u even see the difference in their psychological state of mind now. Don't compare. Besides naruto used the news as a motivator to learn sage art. Shikamaru was still battling with his consciousness about his imcompetence when he came up with the plan.

do u mean the summon that gave them a bit of a surprise, yet did nothing actually...yeah...i see ur toff tym, i call it a breeze.

Naruto surprise attacked one of pain's offensive paths and destroyed it, so that leaves four....with the help of the king toad killed the summoner...and again with the help of pa and the king toad blinded the path that ressurected so naruto cud destroy it. That leave pain with no offence since God realm was not functional and that leaves pain with a defence strategy since the second path to be taken out was ressurected. when u're as powerful as hidan up against shikamaru...u can afford not to lose sleep over his technique after seeing it used once, and rightly so, shikamru jux found ways to make use of his technique so that it wasn't one dimentional. That's much more than i can say for naruto and his rasengan spam. also hidan didn't go looking for bounties, he and kakuzu were busy extracting a bijuu from a host for three days.

Naruto had intel, had backup and had power that sets him above most (shikaku's words not mine) fifteen minutes is enough. Fights only draw out when u don't know whom u're fighting. Besides like i said, pain didn't even know the power he was up against...was being hit from all angles with unknown powers that were taking his paths down like flies. Maybe if he had hurried up and finished the biznez instead of talk no jutsu...maybe he would have ended it all.

Cos first hand experience shud be backed up by power. Chouji can't hope to defeat kakuzu even if he witnessed his power first hand...power is power...which naruto had ....both .....informational, physical, and even with backup...two of whom were sages and had first hand experience with pain..... and still messed up. They paralysed him cos he was pinned down by weapons and was out of chakra. Knowing about them wouldn't have helped him cos he fell to pain not because of the rods but because pain was stronger. The rods were jux used to pin him down. Like any other ninja using kunais to pin down their enemies. No bigie. It was however important to know the location of nagato...which wasn't his prioty at the moment. That's why i said it's knowledge wasn't important at that moment.

Now there is where u're wrong....kakuzu was shikamaru's prioty because to him, he was the most dangerous. After they were done with him...hidan against four ninjas would be a sure win. Kakashi's plan was a backup plan. After the initial plan had failed. hidan is one dimentional, true...but he's still very powerful and shikamaru isn't. pain was powerful and so was naruto.

''Knowledge is power''- if we're going to go by that phrase then naruto had the upper hand. Cos naruto had all the details of pain's power, bar chibaku tensei which wasn't even used against him until he was in kyuubi mode. Shikamru however didn't even know that kakuzu had five hearts. So now tell me...who had the power?

That's a wild assumption, shikaku and the rest were high level ninjas, an immobile pain would puppet them. U severely underrate konaha's finests. how can we to know that nagato who was immobile was no push over when kishi decided to defeat him with the talk no jutsu?

u mean the 6 tails who cudn't even fend off fodder ninjas, u're going to compare him to yogito, the two tails who actually puts up a fight? the fierce cat? She doesn't run away from fights, like the six tails, she dares to threaten her offenders. That six tails is just a host, he's useless as a fighter. Besides i already told u, they were dispatched to capture naruto too. If they cudn't, they wouldn't be told to do so.

Tosyn007: I dont get...explain more

How do i miss these posts...anyhoo. I the uzimaki chakra was said to be full of life....that girl sasuke was with that he nearly killed....she's an uzimaki and with that chakra full of life sasuke's rib bones and flesh was rebuilt. She's the only example i can give. Feel free to dismantle the argument.lol

Tosyn007: Kurama has been in Naruto for 16 years...every bad ass has its soft spot

hated him for 16years. Soft spot or not...takes more than a day to tame someone who has hated u for years...trust gradually builds up. For naruto...he achieves things in moments. Too convenient.

Tosyn007: Sorry, I gerrit now, but I don't remember him taking any major hit from kyuubi other than be smashed with a rock, he was doing more of hide and seek in the fight...the path that tried attacking Tsunade was smashed by Rasengan...

Had shinra tensei deflected back at him...had mini bombs break his barrier and hit him directly....was whacked straight into a rocky mountain head first (i tot he had died there, guess i was wrong) and then had a huge rock nail him, literarily, nail him into the ground. And he still managed to survive. But rasengan...not rasen shuriken....a normal rasengan was able to do him in. What do u think?

Mutaino7: kimco and kazekage people we take ur arguement seriously when u av a finished manga work that is better than naruto. all the so called hunter x hunter u mention are just starting when they get to chapter 500 we will know who the badass writer is but until then dont compare kishi master piece to others. @kimco just one question 4 u....how does naruto eyes looks like when using an untamed kurama's power. answer is.......a stroke like figure like l appears on his pupil but during d time he manifested bsm the first time the dash(-) like symbol of the sage mode cut across the (l) standing stroke symbol of the kyuubi which gives birth to a new eye symbol like a plus sign(+). 4 those who read theories and manga on narutobase.net and manga panda they usually come across pics where different eye techs and symbols are being xplained.

congratulations...u're now on my ignore list. Hunter x hunter started b4 naruto started. Don't mistake more panels for deeper story pls. Because more of naruto's panels cud have been cut short with less flash backs. Besides the writer of hunter x hunter got ill and had to take a long break. Hardly took any breaks when he was active. Fma: brotherhood has also ended and didn't drag on to make cheap money like some mangas i know *cough* bleach *cough*. But i won't trouble myself...when u bring better argument to the table...i'll take u seriously. These eyes u're talking plenty plenty have no bases in the manga. They are not explained, ergo, jux fanboy rumblings.

opskie: ah beht ofkez...unless we'd just be lying to oursleves. Couldnt have agreed more with what views are shared on there.. if you watch these type of flicks very well and alot of things dont add up, it wont be that hard for you to notice.

O boy, i agree with that post 100% infact u can post the others as well as far as i'm concerned.

ITbomb: ur post

no duh....america doesn't negotiate with terrorists....and no...in real life...they jux won't bend rules for the president. They'll get a new one after he's dead. The human is jux occupying a symbol, that figure can always be replaced. If he can be saved sure, if not...they'll move on. He is also a soldier...commander in chief of the army...

Secondly on ur first point...was the aircraft seen as one america's.? cos i dnt think it was. Any aircraft flying without authorization be them america's own or foreign won't be allowed to enter dc airspace or even get closer to it. there won't be no delays i can promise u that. Americans take security as prioty over anything...the movie insults them with the shoddy security protocols that were in place (or not, in this case)

rapmike: Ppl cnt take kishi as unserious cos naruto as a manga goes beyond jst fighting and al dat BS u guys talk. U may jst see it as a cartoon,bt i see it as more dan dat,infact its only naruto dat i cn see a cartoon deal wit mordern issues such as love,hate, war, peace, power etc. And dat is 1 of d main reasons why i defend kishi strongly cos am learning 4rm naruto seriously.

If we thought it as a cartoon we would be watching sponge bob and captain planet instead. The story is much more matured than ur average cartoon. what he means is that all the fans that took kishi serious b4 can't take him serious now cos he is trolling mega style....too many inconsistensies in his plots and simply overhyping and giving powerups to the main characters leaving the others in the dust. Naruto used to be gud when ninjas made use of the wits taking into consideration the chakra level and limited tools. Now, it's jux moar powaaaaaaa.

and if u want to see a proper implementation of those themes in an anime....watch fma: brotherhood. Much more better than naruto storywise...that's for sure.

Tosyn007: But you saw what is took the six tails to withstand shinra tensei, and Kurama didnt get hit by just one rasengan, he got hit by tons of sage art rasengans after he was felled by Kushina's chain....and that was only just enough to drag his chakra from him...stop exaggerating

Read the post again...was talking about God realm, not kyuubi.

Tosyn007: Namely...

Moreover, Kishi is human, you can't expect everything to be flawless.

alot of them have been mentioned already. But one would be minato's kyuubi mode, anoda would be that God realm took hits from 6tails kyuubi and survived but got hit with rasengan and died (step-mother of a.s.s pulls). i agree he's human and it can't be perfect...but some of them are to glaring. He cud have hid it quite well.


I'll respond to ur othe post later...too long and i'm using fone right now...in church too.

Tosyn007: Thats cos he's been tamed, its a natural principle, any animal can be tamed, besides he's given Naruto all he could handle since he was born. No matter how much hate you have, you still have to make allegiance with a common enemy. And was it not this same Kurama that cried when with Rikudo?

I'm sure even a dog will take days to be tamed. I have no issue with collaborating ti fend off a common enemy, but kishi is making him a drama queen really.


And oh don't even mention that part.. When i saw it, i laffed so much..same time....was looking for my machete and my ticket to japan jux so i cud bury my machete into kishi's head....that was jux wrong.

KazeKage1: Too many inconsistencies in his story.

Yeah he cud have done a better job at it.

Tosyn007: Why's that? Kurama and Naruto weren't in good terms then and we all know how proud Kurama is, but now they are very good friends and besides there's more at stake at this point and Kurama will prefer to be lounging in Naruto's subconscious than being bossed around by Madara and the likes.

I can't believe this is the same kurama that had so much hatred and put shiver down my spine every tym i saw him. Now he laffs, smiles and cheers like a freaking barbie girl. For christ sakes kurama have some dignity, u're the nine tails.

opskie: I dint wanna do this but seeing as some people would still go on to rate this movie as good kinda irks me into writing to point out tht there were lots of things wrong, lame and so out
of place in this movie. Even though this is fiction but dont just put up a lame script and
expect people to shove it down their throat and give you a thumbs up in return.. ..
Lots of things were out of place in this movie and im gonna point out some:

-First off the CGI fx in this movie was just terrible and made me almost want to puke.
Infact the CG from Penguins of Madagascar series was better off!
- American air defense is incredibly skimpy, incompetent and late..i mean a C-130 GUNSHIP
makes it to D.C. before being intercepted by two raptors, which get shot down and after that
only ONE raptor is sent to deal with the threat. [how did the aircraft get into A RESTRICTED
DC AIRSPACE in the first place?!!] youve cat to be kitten me..
-Disregarding the fact that half of the army would already be all over D.C. when the two jets
got shot down, the terrorists are now advancing towards the White House on foot!!! - Humvees
and choppers are sent out from across the river and the humvees get there first
- Kang states in the movie that it took only 13 minutes to overtake the white house (i call absolute BS on that) and during this whole time police, swat, special forces, army etc were nowhere to be found! Usually in critical times, all cops are sent to the area! If a bank is raided in Washington, the cops must logically reach there later than the time they need to reach to White house?!!!
To the best of my movie experience if a bank was being raided even anywhere in the US other than Washington, it takes less than 13mins or so for the police to get there..
and for the Real SS agents protecting the white house? they had just suits on, no armor whatsoever and the worst thing they were so stupid as to pour out of the entrance like ants and started running towards bullets from terrorist guns..no strategies, contingencies etc....if it would have been this easy for terrorists to overtake the white house, then it would have been done in real life years ago.
-President gets captured and the U.S. chain of command will let the nation be destroyed just
because of one man
-WH use the super secret weapon to defend the premises but somehow the terrorists are able to
operate it haba..
-At the end when Butler calls in that they are okay, it takes them 5 mins to get out of the
building and no one is going in
-And wait what? N.koreans are the terrorists attacking the US now? kim jong would probably have laughed his ass off if he watched this movie.
-And to missile detonation part, Don't you have to Arm a missile BEFORE you detonate it?
-Also the part where they send in the Navy SEALs knowing their own weaponry will cut these
brave men down and yet the CSA refuses to call them back after 5/6 helos are smoking? and The
guys were probably still alive, couldnt they have gotten out of the chopper and get the job
done?...BUT Nah, the movie lets them be dead for the sake of the script so Butler the bad
dude can go in there and clean house. Even though all his security codes should have been revoked by
the White House after 18 months reassigned!!! but miraculously all his passwords and combination to the safe in the Oval Office were still intact.
-My biggest angst is in the part where Kang (Rick Yune) is torturing people for some codes
and the President (Aaron Eckhart) keeps saying "Give him the code, he will never get mine."
and when it finally comes to the point in the movie where Kang needs his code it is ALREADY
in the computer!! Lolwotdefuqq... What happened? How did Kang get his code?
-President of USA calls Korean prime minister to join him in top secret bunker for a cup of coffee probably violating thousand protocols.
-And speaking of stupid, how about that super dooper gun turret they somehow miraculously
smuggled into the White House and strategically placed on the roof such that it could shoot
down 6 Navy SEAL helicopters OMFG! STOOOPID! This movie was Die Hard on steroids. Lame
lame lame lame lame, and again, lame. My head hurts.

*i should just stop here* ..this movie plot had many holes than the bad guys..
i just had to suspend LOGIC temporarily to watch this movie.

THIS is a dumb movie...boring, predictable, Loaded with cheesy inane dialogs, ridiculous inaccuracies and weak story line.
Every lame over the top Die Hard action cliché was crammed in this production, and what makes it more depressing is that its coming from antoine fuqua, a guy that once brought us very decent movies like 'Tears of the Sun', 'Brooklyn's Finest', 'Shooter' and the award winning Training Day!.
Perhaps i expected more than this from him in ohf but im just grossly dissapointed..this movie fell below standards and expectations. i had to wonder..what happened to him?

OLYMPUS HAS FALLEN MY HAND!

Nice post.....imdb user review...hmmmmm? Still great post. U cud post the others too which i agree with perfectly.

Ihedinobi: You remember that Naruto had to build up chakra more than once on that battlefield, right? Plus if Naruto could give out chakra - the Kyuubi's chakra - why would he not be able to receive chakra too from another Kyuubi host at that? Shikamaru didn't need to see the exchange between the two halves of the Kyuubi to know that one could replenish the other.

okay now u're stretching this. He can't know. He's not near them his sector itself is in danger and he must protect them. He needs to be near them to make that analysis and even then that would be toff to do. C'mon let shikamaru have this excuse atleast. He can't be God.

Tosyn007: But the bijuu dama was his own, so hows that far-fetched?

Shikamaru knew his secret but took him days to counter them, naruto was getting the intels as he fights and was countering them on the go..he could others with his chakra rod, thats a trick, Pain has more than 6 jutsus and Hidan has one.

I agree he helped Kakashi at the other end but it was instrumental in putting hidan off guard for Shikamaru to execute his plans..

The toads are classified under summonings, you said 5 paths? seems you forgot that one had access to countless strong summonings, he killed one paths of pain and it was resurrected...he had 15mins of sage mode and you called that 'much power', he had to figure a ways to defeat all of them within that short period and you say Choji and Kiba would be able to do such, Choji has great chakra reserve, why wasnt he summoned to go learn sage mode if it is that easy...we all agreed that Shikamaru is the smartest in the anime but he still had to take days to prepare for someone who though can't die but can surely be decapitated. He wasnt informed that god realm can use shibaku tensei, and he wasnt detailed that their chakra rods can be used to control other shinobis.

When you're the smartest in the anime, and you have full details and experience of what your opponent is capable of, and all the time to strategise with this plan, then you're just a smart goat.

Lol tosyn i didn't mean that chouji as he is would defeat pain with intels.....what i meant was that even kiba and chouji with their level of thinking can come up with a plan to deal with pain had they had everything naruto had. The focus was on intellect. I can't be insulting naruto like that c'mon.

It didn't take him days to device a plan for hidan....he was mourning. What! U wanted him to jux go and face them like that without properly mourning his master....besides hidan and kakuzu told them to meet in three days tym. Was he supposed to jux go wondering around? He also wasn't in the right emotional state to fight them. He had to be ready also.

True that they were sermons....however sermons that were higher than pains sermons. I mean two of them were sages. infact, pain was at a disadvantage...cos his most powerful realm was out, naruto knew his secret and he was been hit with new jutsu every where. Jutsu he knew nothing about. Hidan had seen all of shikamaru's techniques and shikamaru, hidan's. And yet shikamaru came up tops. I'm sure 15mins was enough if u had info on their power(shared vision info promted idea to use frog kumite). Had he not known about their powers, then i would agree 15mins wouldn't be enuff atall, because he would nw be figuring out.

Like i said, chibaku tensei was the only jutsu that was a surprise. However knowing about it won't do him any gud cos it was used to capture the kyuubi. And when he was in kyuubi mode he had no consciousness to analyse and counter. Besides, God realm had to be closer to nagato for it to take place. so no problems there

Chakra rods were a non issue on the battle field. It was however important in the lab. U think even if he knew God realm would allow him to get to nagato?

I won't say full details really. Didn't have full details on kakuzu and he had to deal with him too. Like i said...plans don't always go as planned, so it's all hypothesis. And with that much less power, he was brilliant. Saying he's a goat goat is wrong cos if u device a plan and the enemy is still stronger things might get ruff for u. Hidan was a much much powerful opponent to shikamaru than pain was to naruto considering their arsenals.

rapmike: As 4 d dumb ish, i was refferring 2 ur statement,nt u
I copied d dumb part again, as i said i correctd d statement. Sorry once more

ayt bro no worries ...*brofist*

*thought bubble* naruto rly is getting to me.

Ihedinobi: I've answered the bolded already and I think you acknowledged my answer earlier. They were one Kyuubi! Why on earth would they not sync? You don't need a 200-IQ to know that they would. As for the used up power, Naruto's bumping fists with his dad was for two things: more power and the Hiraishin.


We'll see whether it's a plot hole, won't we? If there is just one possible logical explanation for it, your plot-hole claim crumbles, you know.



Lol. This piece of advice could work for you too.

One guy pointed out that naruto's kyuubi was asking the other for chakra to be able to do the chakra sharing again. How was shikamaru supposed to know that. Because to him that option was off the table...it was used up. How did he know kyuubi would be asking for chakra from the other half? I mean think about it.

Oh believe me it is. Kishi would need a strong explanation for this one.
lol at some level yeah, i agree, i cud take that advice. However naruto has more favour so yeah........

Tosyn007: Uzumaki gene cant be responsible for him recovering from broken bones and torn muscles in under 24 hours...

it was able to heal torn out flesh and rib bones (sasuke) ...so why not broken bones?

rapmike: Guy, u r talking of holes wen there r holes in ur argument. BTW, u claimd no1 apologisd 2 u wen Tosyn and i did,i reminded u of dat bt u instead go ahead and ignore it...typical of u. Then u talk of holes in my argument, bring dem out u refuse. Shikamaru took hidan out due 2 his kage mane wich is logical 4 any1 2 c and u r talking of holes. Naruto took out kakuzu wit d remaining 2 hearts,everi1 knows dis and u r stil ranting abt holes.
U calm urself down and read properly b4 commenting

i didn't see ur apology, i saw tosyn's but not urs. Where is it...i wanna see.


Intel in the ninja world is what differentiate between life and death, winning and losing. U must understand that. Never downplay the power of intel. People kill for that even in real life.

Also i don't mind naruto winning his fights....looooved his fight against neji...but he shud be winning his fights convinsingly. As of now....it's a bit iffy. Who still watches the chuunin exam arc..i know i still do....those were the tyms.

Every1 knows my view on naruto killing kakuzu.made my points pages ago. U shudn't use that point really.

rapmike: Had 2 reply in dia,am using a phone here

Damn it i can't help myself

Point one: i wasn't talking about the level of justsus, i was talking about the array of justus he was talking about. Btw the jutsus were detailed to naruto

Point two: the saving grace did help take care of, i think, two paths and sermons. That's enuff help i think. And it because of hinata that naruto went into beserk mode.

Konohamaru woukd get mauled by the sermons alone.

rapmike: I said ur statement was dumb,nt u. Dnt u get dat? Aha. He apologisd , i correctd d statement and u r stil ranting abt dis? Pls.
Then u go again abt naruto and pain. Am sure u would hav bn happy if it was shikamaru dat defeatd pain,bt instead its naruto ur self indictd i.diot so u cnt stand it dat is y u r crying bs up and down. U kip crying intel,intel i wonda wat special intel naruto got dat u r shouting lyke dis, shikamaru and d decoding team got some info frm d back of dat old frog and were working on it while naruto was training,yet all of them apart frm k-man and konohamaru(of wich konohamaru taking out 1 pain is an ass pull bt u ignord dat 1) could nt take a single pain out. Naruto dat jst arrivd wit d toad sqaud did nt hav time 2 tink thru anytin, yet he stil found a way 2 use kage bushin and rasengan 2 defeat 4 paths b4 tendo took him down and u dnt acept dat naruto is battle smart? I wonda wat shikamaru would hav done if he faced 5 paths of pain alone,even wit d intel naruto had. Bt den again, naruto is jst being favourd and pamperd. Shikamaru took out hidan cos he is d only person dat cn do it and dat is due 2 his shadow stuf.
BTW, NARUTO TOOK OUT KAKUZU BY HIMSELF 2,APART FRM K-MAN JUMPING IN WEN HIS RASENSHIRUKEN FAILD D 1ST TYME DERE WAS NO INTERFERENCE

I think everyone would agree with me if i stop debating with this guy. Too much personal influence with this guy. There are a lot of holes in ur post so large that even a whale would slip thru...but i won't debate u...cos u're not ready to involve urself in a debate.

U shud calm down, watch anoda anime like, say.....full metal alchemist: brotherhood. It's jux a debate...i'm enjoying myself cos others are giving me a run for my money and it's keeping me on my toes, i like it. come back when u have ur argument on point instead of this thing u're doing. U're getting personally involved.

Tosyn007: Kyuubi taking over means its taking over Naruto's chakra, his chakra mixes with Naruto all the time, thats why he heals rapidly even when not in the 9tails cloack mode...

it takes over....isn't that different from mixing together? My school maybe wrong but the school did teach me the difference.

He heals instantly in kyuubi mode. I thought he healed faster in non kyuubi mode because he was uzimaki...i maybe wrong...need clarification on that point.

Tosyn007: He's accumulating nature energy in bijuu mode,, is that difficult to understand?

Even though the toads had experiences of Pain, they still couldn't figure out all there is to know about him unlike Hidan's case whose jutsu is quite straight forward and when i meant tricks, i meant array of countless jutsus. The toads saw the 6 Pains but they didnt know what each was capable of doing, not until the day invaded and they had to start telling Naruto about each Pain's feature as he fought with them. He has council, so did Shikamaru have Kakashi who helped him collect Kakuzu's blood which was even much more decisive than all the intels Naruto had. Shikamaru fight was a one on one fight, Naruto's was 7 on one. The intels detailed Pains ability albeit not inside out but he had no time to put them into analysis while Shikamaru, had experience, intel and time.

He's not only doing that...he's also mixing it with bijuu dama. I don't buy that.

Yep u're right, that why in addition to the toads intel...there was a slug on his shoulder feeding him off the rest. That's why he knew whom to attack first and what to use.

Doesn't matter if hidan was straight forward...he still cudn't die and he was skilled, he fights jinchurikis for christ sakes. Took shikamaru to know his secret, commended by kakuzu, after studying him even under intense pressure. Tricks are surprise attacks, none of the jutsu, bar chibaku tensei, was a surprise. He was briefed about them and even the God realm wasn't functional then. pain used like 6 jutsus, that's not many.

Point three- kakashi helped him kill one heart of kakuzu. Hidan was still alive. That didn't help. Infact...that was used to save kakashi's life rather than help himself against hidan. he killed hidan...alone. He dragged him away alone, set him up alone and killed him alone.

Point four- i'm sorry what! Watch the fight again...naruto had the toads helping him plus even hinata joining the saving grace team. Two sages, four fully grown and skilled toads against what! Five paths who had their powers read out aloud for the world to hear, with a sixth one who wasn't fuctional yet. He had no tym to put them into analysis? But didn't we all agree that naruto was battle smart...jux not on the level of other highly skilled ninjas? When u have detailed infos like that and a council behind u and so much power at ur disposal, if u can't make out what to do then u're beyond stupid and shudn't be called a ninja at all. Even chouji and kiba would know what to do with that much detail and power. And oh their powers were detailed to the T. Unless ofcos u wanna argue that (u know how we do it). Even the time delay in god realm's power was detaild.

Didn't matter even if he had tym to plan....still didn't mean it would've worked, jux like kakauzu showed him. It took courage to have taken a guy like hidan on for a guy with limited power like him. If he had so much power like even sasuke, i would've agreed with u. Even kakuzu thought shikamaru was a goner...preparing his obituary and all.

ledafaze: Here, I can say boldly that no one can defeat Itachi so far his chakra is intact.

BTW, don't tell me u guys skipped the part when Naruto's kyubi was asking the other kyubi for chakra...

i won't go into the itachi argument right now.

Point 2- thank u sooooo much. Anoda point why shikamaru cudn't have thought of that naruto's plan.

Mutaino7: @kimco it is popularly known that kishimoto drew inspiration 4rm DBZ. naruto was made to behave like goku. on bsm matter naruto himself was not conscious of the fact that he did it until kurama told him. we all know how naruto tends to 4get tinz xpecially when using kurama's power. he was in a stationary position a position which enables him to gather nature chakra....when nagato impaled him with his rod.... in respect to diz the kyuubi got angry 4 intrusion and disturbed nagato meanwhile xternal chakra got mixed with kyuubi's chakra during the interference. 4 me kishi shud xplain how madara survived the fight where hashi did his wood summon which dwarfed the kyuubi and susano combo altogether. abeg what of hashi's summon scroll where im dhey?

u know what i saw...i saw kyuubi chakra take over. Throughout the series the phrase '' the kyuubi chakra took over'' was widely used. And now Kishi is jux making it sound like they mixed together jux for the sake of an upgrade. Still not buying it.
I don't care if the queen cheerleader kyuubi is the one doing the explanation now, still ain't buying this. Too convenient

[quote author=Mz_teejaY_]I dnt knw why every1's saying olympus has fallen is better. OHF had no suspense d bad guy was introduced frm d beginnin nd d action wasn't real. I had 2 delete d movie after watchin bt white house down was more mature with d president and tatum fightin 4 their lives. Tatum's loyalty was torn between savin his daughter and his country and we didn't knw d speaker of d house was d bad guy till d end. I'd pick WHD anyday anytym.[/quote]Dude c'moooooon..warn people about ur spoilers, not cool at all

Feraz: I guess it's cos of the izanami part. Lol. .You aren't the only one who found it ridiculous.
We all know Kabuto was whooping their asses cos he had studied them, made himself blind not to experience genjutsu and battle them till Kishi pulled an izanami on him.

oh dude it's like u know....so annoying i mean why kishi? Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

Feraz: Itachi isn't really overrated. Didn't you read how Hashi's cells were connected to him?

ooooooo i think he's a bit overrated...and it doesn't help that his fans act like kids.

Second point- +1

Mutaino7: weytin me dhey try tell kimco bsay upon all the grammar u used in labelling naruto 10% of it cud only be considered. 4 xample kishi made it in a way that when naruto goes into minature kyuubi his skin becoms impenetrable e.g orochimaru's kusanagi. so if in few or many chapters later u c naruto surviving a near death piercing u go call am ass pull. this uzumaki gal wey dhey sasuke's grp fit heal some impossible wound with her blood only, jugo comes to mind also.....how will a person replace a blown sasuke's heart during bee's fight without him dying abi were did the spare heart comes 4rm ....and then u called tsunade endurability ass pull when info already has it that with a head seal she's almost unkillable even the snake lord said he's jealous of her abilities as a med nin. if i shud say the xters who are the most overated in naruto it will be madara, obito nd itachi(all are uchichas). someone uses kamui has if it a play but never goes blind because of? sometyms making everyone to bliv itachi is untouchable by giving him eviable i.q, early progress, yata mirror nd tosuka. u nid to c how people saying he's on par with so6p and that he's grter than hashi and madara. madara survival hasnt bin xplained and how he obtained hashi cells is still a mystery.

I said nothing about naruto's kyuubi mode being hard to penetrate...so non issue here.

Sasuke's heart was still intact his chest was however gone, that was what was replaced....unless ofcos i'm lying...hey i'm human.

Oh i had no problems with her being pierced by susanoo's sword and living but sliced into two and living? That's hidan's specialty. Again a.s.s pull.


Ma guy...everything u said about the uchihas i am sooooo with u 1000000% especially itachi...my lord, these uchiha fans.

I want naruto to be a well written character, like edward elric of full metal alchemist or gon of hunter x hunter (even he can be alittle roll eyes sometyms, but he's a better written character than naruto). There's so much power given to him, some of them even became irrelevant till recently (sage mode)....very bad. i feel like i'm watching dragon ball z.

Tosyn007: Read inbetween the lines bro, and as for the fact that I didn't provide an argument for this, I think it was you backed down from it...you didn't give a reply to this: What else drives you to succeed if not the desire and passion to prove critics wrong and surpass your peers, he worked day and night to make sure he grows...how is sage energy mixing with kyuubi's chakra a junk? Seems you forgot that kyuubi chakra has blended with Naruto's chakra making one chakran so does it mixing with nature energy far fetched?

Naruto was summoned from his training to fight Pain so unlike Shikamaru who went to the drawing to do some permutations and combinations before his rematch, Naruto obviously had no time to strategise on the shady intels on ground and he even had to use these intels on the go to fight Pain. Hidan was sent to capture the 2 tails while Pain was sent to capture the 6 and then the 9 tails, don't you think there's a reason for that? Hidan was one-dimensional shinobi, so it was easy for Shikamaru to figure him(since he had the brain and time to do so), but Pain had tons of tricks up his sleeves and Naruto had just intels just coming to him during the fight and no time to strategise with them. You can't compare first hand experience to intels that pieces about someone with a rinnegan.

You didn't blame Kishi for making Shikamaru a chunnin despite losing his fight but you blame him for upgrading Naruto despite concrete explanations for them...

And I'm sorry if I've done you wrong in anyway, we are here to have and that's what objective argument brings o I'm expecting a response

trying to prove critics wrong doesn't permit kishi to give him abilities from thin air. There are no concrete explanations to him deflecting all 8 bikuu damas at the speed of light in a kyuubi mode....a power he can't seem to replicate. An upgrade isn't bad but it must be meaningful and reasonable.

If i remember correctly, the 9tails cloak took over not mix with his chakra...unless u can prove that it did mix. It's bs and funny thing is if it was this obvious....why must it be now that we're being introduced to it like it's the coming of christ? i call bs on this big time.

do u think that being in akatsuki is as easy as u think? He was chosen for a reason. He simply wont die and he was built to face jinchurikis....which he did. Watch the anime/manga again dawg hidan and kakuzu were dispatched to go get naruto when diedera warned them of plot no jutsu....guess they didn't listen...lool. Naruto had council, had rasengan, rasen shuriken, had intel, had other fighter two which were sages...SAGES WITH EXPERIENCE ON PAIN....and finally he had a complete sage mode. However u look at it naruto had an upper hand compared to shikamaru who had what! Shadow binding? His brains and a few scrolls which take tym to execute compared to hand seals? Against an immortal highly skilled in killing jinchurikis? And also alone? I mean c'mon don't try to spin this, the intels detailed pain's ability inside out. Pain's trick up his sleeves was chibaku tensei, so i dnt know which ''tricks'' u're talking about. Planning is gud, but it doesn't ensure a total win. Besides he figured hidans jutsu out under intense pressure and behead him as well. Was it not for kakuzu, it would've ended there. All in the first meeting.

I don't blame kishi for passing shikamaru jux like i don't blame him for making ibiki pass naruto for writing absolutely nothing on his paper. Reasonable explanations.


I'm not really blaming u, jux appauled nobody rebuked rapke for calling me dumb... When i remember being rebuked for calling someone silly.

Ihedinobi: You know, the other smart dude did not meet the battle where Naruto was dispensing the Kyuubi's chakra like bags of rice during Nigerian political campaigns

I've been wondering about Minato's cloak since he was ET'd. Perhaps I'll venture some theories about it later sha.

@bolded, why, you've just repeated my point na. Shikamaru is not God. He's smart, but he gaffes too like geniuses are apt to do and, well, about glaringly obvious things too. Naruto just showed that he's a genius too is all I've been insisting on. I would hate to pit even my favorite character - Itachi- against Naruto in a full-on battle. I could not begin to tell who'd win.

First point- u seem to be forgetting something...the two chakras of both nine tails to perfectly sync...how was he to know that they'll do a perfect sync....how was he to know that nine tails chakra in minato was usable....nobody informed him of anything? In order to make analysis, shudn't u have infomation? U think he had tym to be looking at minato and son when his section needed his help as well. He was busy himself. Besides like i said....didn't that sharing thing run out....according to him it wasn't even an option cos it was used up. Funny part about the rice sharing, hahahah.

Point two- it's a plot hole....dude....jux like i keep saying...things are jux too convenient for naruto to shine.

Point three bolded point- i'm not repeating what u said.... I'm making a point that he too can draw blanks like any other human. But that shudn't be used to debunk his intelligence atall...cos he too is battle smart. Glaringly obviousthings? Like i said.... U're an omnipotent reader....his condition of reasoning isn't same as urs, don't compare urself to him atall. Do it to other characters in the manga.....no not naruto....thats plot no jutsu. Lol