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Toluwaase:
I hope you are still reading people's reply. At a point, I think everyone Christian, especially the exposed, learned and young will get to the situation you found yourself. I am a young Christian and I have to confess to you that I have asked similar questions at certain points. Sometimes, I found the answer, not in the Bible, but in movies and in my heart. I have come to some conclusions that if you want some logical explanations about the existence of God, you will always find illogical explanations as well. Nothing makes sense, however I have had experiences with God that sustains me and I don't have an iota of doubt in my heart that there is God.
I don't know if you have had personal relationship with God. Please, forget about Church now. If you have never conversed or communicated with God to the extent that you hear him, you cannot build a relationship with him. This is one of the things Churches in Nigeria don't teach us.
I wish we can talk, I can share my frustrustions with God with you, but at the end of the day, I have this peace within me that attests to his presence. Have you ever heard him speak to you and he confirms it with people around you? If it is sickness, I believe some of us Christian abuse our bodies in the name of prayer and faith when the bible says my people perish because they lack knowledge. Sometimes, some Christian are poor because they lack financial knowledge. Some Christian remain in their sickness because they lack medical knowlegde. What you did concerning ulcer was application of medical knowledge to your body. Some of we Chrisyian leave our responsibilities to God and tell him in prayers to do those responsibilities. My belief as a Christian is that I expect and pray to God to do those things I cannot do, not things I can do. Now, I ask for the wisdom and grace from Him to do those things He expects me to do, afterall I have decided to be His child.
Christianity is not what most of us in Nigeria practice, it is worshipping of Pastors. If you dont mind, please let us talk. We can talk about the influence of human intenvention in the Bible we read today. Did you know that Martin Luther that wrote the conventional Bible removed some books and verses? Some verses were retained by people who accused him of forgery if those parts were not retained.

My brother only if you like lie you will have total agreement on Bible, how can you tell me how many angel Mary Magdalene saw at the grave of Jesus after resurrection according to gospel of Mathew, mark, Luke, john? When all of them say different things? Shit full inside of the Bible only fool will agree with the Bible

, surely you must be come athies, not only you, Bible is a book of shit. And confusion book, if you read Bible from beginning to the end you will know that Bible is nothing but scam book

Christian and church sacrifice are 5&6

zionzoe:
In 610, an Arab salesman with a charismatic personality attracted a small cult of credulous fanatics by claiming to be a prophet. Though his "revelations" were self-referential and occasionally contradicting, he was successful in manipulating his followers with promises of heavenly reward and threat of divine wrath. The god heard only by him told them to lie and steal for him, to give their children to him for sexual pleasure and, eventually, to gruesomely murder his detractors...

There are two ways to approach a study of Muhammad. One is with reverence. The other is with skepticism. Thinking persons choose the latter. They are not influenced by the number of Muslim believers in the world today or by their force of belief because these are meaningless in determining truth. Thinking persons care about fact.

Stop nonsense copy and paste,

If you know they born you well and you want to defend Bible and Christianity, I dear you to tell me how many angel Mary Magdalene saw at the grave of Jesus after resurrection according to gospel of Mathew, mark, Luke, john?

They re best Christian, killing for ritual is what Christianity base on, they also believe that Jesus use himself as a ritual of their sin, but Jesus said if you don't forgive other people sin God will not for give your own sin too,


Christian well done

jeruzi:
Jesus died being nailed because He came to die.

If he comes to die then what make him cry and beg God to save him from death?

Why Jesus don't want to die?

zionzoe:
Well, M0H'S bones are still rottening somewhere... mean while YHWH-SA IS RISEN.

OH THEY EXCHANGED HIM ON THE CROSS... M0H PAPA DEY DER WHEN DEY CRUCIFY AM?

IT'S TIME WE SUE THAT IDIOT FOR Plagiarism.

Thief and liar and deceiver.
Devil in DISGUISE.

Mind you we don't even need your kind in our faith.

Omo eru to di ako eru.

Spit on your grave.

Omo irakiran ton shebi biwa, omoale

Is it fucking lie that Mathew, mark, Luke, john wrote that they kill Jesus is what makes you happy? If you dear it pls tell me how many angel Mary Magdalene Saw at grave of Jesus after resurrection according to gospel of Mathew, mark, Luke, john? If you know they born you well answer me on that?

Oponu ayirada, omo eru, omo aguntan that is why Jesus call you a sheep ( animals) because you can't think like a man, I pity those who born you

jeruzi:
God and not god chose to give grace instead of law because it was hard for people to fully obey the law without sinning. The rule for the law is that if you break one of the laws, you have broken everything. As such, God gave grace to able to do His will.

Your god don't know that the law is strong before he give it to them? Are you trying to say your god is a regretful god?

And do you know that Jesus was also gives laws?

zionzoe:
I won't argue with you.
It is easy to say all what others are saying is a lie. a bright mind can search but an enslaved mind will seek to destroy history. Check your religion why do they delight to destroy HISTORY?

Your ancestors were enslaved but they will keep rolling in their graves Knowing that you are a glorified slave master.

Keeping women as slaves dictating to others what they cannot do. Mens cult. Prophet slayed by a woman, a yoruba woman of course who said if truly m0h is a prophet he should not be killed by the poisoned meat but if he is a false prophet the poison should kill him. What killed him at the end of the day... a slay queen poisoned him to death.

Keep up the discrimination, glorified slave master.

Is that why just 3 nail kill mighty god of Christian?

jeruzi:
the people of the book are Christians. The Christians use both old and new testaments and your quran contains quotes from both the old and new testaments. Jews don't use the new testament.

Also be informed that the Jews and Christians worship the same God.
The god of islam is not the God of the Jew and Christians.

Ahhhh. Christian re people of the book? Christian re not people of the book but a thief that want to steal the book,

You claim you and jews worship the same God but Jew's doesn't know if Jesus exist of not, Jew's see NT as lie book. And that is what it is.

None of Jew's or Christian were people of the book, but only Jew's inherited the book from the original owner who re the early Muslim, christian re just group of confusing people claiming anything world throw to them, what made up of Christianity today 95% of it is from Roman pagan.

you re not people of the book but theif

TheExecutioner:
Hellfire is for professional sinners

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Just like Paul the greatest liar?

jeruzi:
I'm not confused nor confusing myself. Don't argue blindly. Is Iran a muslim country or not? If you say yes, then;
Why do the sponsor the shooting of rocks into Saudi Arabia, when mohammed said it shouldn't be done. You don't have a point at all. The agenda of book haram is well known. You are just a liar. They seek to established islamic caliphate. They establish islamic worship anywhere they capture and you here typing what can not be believed.

Now your head is coming down. Now you understand my point that it's not that terrorist are facing Christian, terrorist are enemy of Muslim not Christian. There re some ground of terrorist claiming to be muslim but not, they re killing Muslim instead and Allah said Muslim should not kill muslim. But terrorist kill muslim and bomb mosque. Can you see now that killing of Christian is just a cover up? Boko Haram re enemy of Islam

jeruzi:
what are you saying? Read what I wrote again. They are trying to subdue or eliminate the Christians in the north first. Which muslims are they killing. They are taking over cities and enforcing Islamic worship and you are coming online to type lies. The place book haram to control of, was it Christian worship they enforced?
The bombing of the mosque is a cover up. ......

Surah An-Nisa, Verse 92:
وَمَا كَانَ لِمُؤْمِنٍ أَن يَقْتُلَ مُؤْمِنًا إِلَّا خَطَأً وَمَن قَتَلَ مُؤْمِنًا خَطَأً فَتَحْرِيرُ رَقَبَةٍ مُّؤْمِنَةٍ وَدِيَةٌ مُّسَلَّمَةٌ إِلَىٰ أَهْلِهِ إِلَّا أَن يَصَّدَّقُوا فَإِن كَانَ مِن قَوْمٍ عَدُوٍّ لَّكُمْ وَهُوَ مُؤْمِنٌ فَتَحْرِيرُ رَقَبَةٍ مُّؤْمِنَةٍ وَإِن كَانَ مِن قَوْمٍ بَيْنَكُمْ وَبَيْنَهُم مِّيثَاقٌ فَدِيَةٌ مُّسَلَّمَةٌ إِلَىٰ أَهْلِهِ وَتَحْرِيرُ رَقَبَةٍ مُّؤْمِنَةٍ فَمَن لَّمْ يَجِدْ فَصِيَامُ شَهْرَيْنِ مُتَتَابِعَيْنِ تَوْبَةً مِّنَ اللَّهِ وَكَانَ اللَّهُ عَلِيمًا حَكِيمًا

And it does not behoove a believer to kill a believer except by mistake, and whoever kills a believer by mistake, he should free a believing slave, and blood-money should be paid to his people unless they remit it as alms; but if he be from a tribe hostile to you and he is a believer, the freeing of a believing slave (suffices), and if he is from a tribe between whom and you there is a convenant, the blood-money should be paid to his people along with the freeing of a believing slave; but he who cannot find (a slave) should fast for two months successively: a penance from Allah, and Allah is Knowing, Wise.

TheExecutioner:
And the "prophet" of lies is leading MOOslims to the land of toto abi ?

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See the crossrat? Don't die into darkness Paul put u. Hell fire is waiting for sheep

jeruzi:
You can't teach me. You don't know anything. Your quran told you to ask the people of the book: that Christians. I am to teach you. I asked you to study. If you do study, you will understand how new testament came out of the old testament; it is clearly written there. Study law and grace don't just go online and pick points. Study!

I ask you what changed mind of your god after when he give law that should be forever into grace?

jeruzi:
You can't teach me. You don't know anything. Your quran told you to ask the people of the book: that Christians. I am to teach you. I asked you to study. If you do study, you will understand how new testament came out of the old testament; it is clearly written there. Study law and grace don't just go online and pick points. Study!

So now you want to claim people of the book?

Let me ask you who is people of the book between Jew's and Christian? Why you don't believe in the same God?

TheExecutioner:
Look at this ignoramus. Romans 3:7 is part of a long exhortation beginning in Romans 3:1 and it ends with Paul warning the early Church that ALL falsehoods and lies will be punished by God even if the person telling the lie claims to be doing it to spread Christianity.

This idiot thinks that Christianity was founded on a lie like his dumb religion

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Paul say he lie to get you I know you Will want to cover him up, but nothing can change the fact Paul is a liar and his leading Christian to hell

jeruzi:
well I serve God not god nor gods. Go and read about Law and Grace if you want to know about the old and new testament. It will really help you know where sharia law is from and why it should not be. Study it.

See this one oo. You want teach me your dundun Bible?

Or I should be the one that will teach you?

Remember all the law in OT should be among children of Israel forever. So why your god change his mind?

jeruzi:
what are you saying? Read what I wrote again. They are trying to subdue or eliminate the Christians in the north first. Which muslims are they killing. They are taking over cities and enforcing Islamic worship and you are coming online to type lies. The place book haram to control of, was it Christian worship they enforced?
The bombing of the mosque is a cover up. ......

Can you see that you re the one confusing yourself? Boko Haram blow mosque and kill muslim and you call it cover up? In Quran Allah said Muslim should not kill muslim intentionally if he do he unbeliever, if Boko Haram kill muslim they re not a Muslim for Muslim won't kill his fellow Muslim man. Boko Haram re Christian

In a Christian state? Why nah?

jeruzi:
knowing to quote the Bible is not the same as understanding the Bible. The reason the God of the old testament sent His Son Jesus, is why we have the new testament. Think very well ; one is old and the other NEW. You should ask yourself why, and also ask yourself the question; how do they use them?

Because your god is a god of regretful. He regret revealing OT that is why he sent himself to come and correct it isn't?

But Jesus said he didn't come to condemn the law or against any prophets.

So why OT is no longer useful to you Christian?

In Romans 3:7 one of the founder of Christianity said he is a liar,

Then why do you expecting me to decive myself and respect christainty? If I do so am a fool, hear me oo I don't hate you Christian o but I will always tell you the truth that Christianity is a pagan and Christmas is a scam celebration that muslim should not Engage in it.

Say no to lie

zionzoe:
The ancient HEBREW or Yoruba consonant translated to Jesus by people of strange language is YHWH-SA

WHEN VOWELISED IT IS
oYa Ha iWa Ha- SoA

Meaning: OVERFLOW forever, Existence forever _Restore us

SoA as is won Su opo...or a kinsman remarring a widow
Or simply
YHWH - SoA
God- Resore us

That is who we call Jesus today.

Our fore FATHERs engaged in ancestral worship. So instead of saying YHWH-SoA( God- restore us) they said EiSu( meaning this one saves) they never believed in him so. They never attached God to his name... but in disdain they acknowledge that he saves.

If you wish to read further, I can direct you.

The TORAH or A too iWa ere in yoruba ( a guide to PROFITABLE existence) is 1000 of years older than the Quran.

A book written thousands of years after another can in no way correct the one that existed before it.

If you want to know your history, it is hidden in the ANCIENT HEBREW and it is a Yoruba document.

You don't even know what you re saying

Hebrew call Jesus yeshua not Yahw-soa

Yahweh is one of idol among children of Israel then, Torah today is not the one Moses use then because there many book that have get lost from it and many editing it make that book empty, or its new testament you want to call part of Torah when the author of it is unknown John 21:24? See don't confuse yourself

Yoruba have nothing to do with Hebrew language don't force Hebrew on Yoruba we re not the same, in fact in some history it said odudua's father is Arab man his name is lamrudu not Hebrew. Pls don't confuse yourself. Jesu have no meaning in Yoruba language it was a copy copy from English language

jeruzi:
this statement just showed how ignorant you are about the Christianity. You don't understand Chrianity and the use of old and new testament. If you understood it, you would known who Jesus is and what He came to do. I that thing you called the life of a Christian outside is the Jesus Christ you claimed to know as isa.

Just tell me that God of OT is not the same with God of NT?

Tell me what Jesus come and do?

Jesus even claim that he did not come to the world to bring peace but sward,

Now tell me is God of OT that said you should kill anybody who serve other gods is different from God of NT?

jeruzi:
why haven't they taken over the north yet? It's a build up. Haven't you read or heard that boko haram were caught in Lagos?

So now you understand that Boko Haram is a strange people that want to over take people's and force them to support their evil? So u understand that they need to first destroy Muslim in the north before else where? Now tell me are Boko Haram are Muslim if they need to first kill muslim before people can believe them?

jeruzi:
you deceptive tactics is not working? There is no point trying to explain to you. You know what the Muslims

So brotherhood in Islam support bombing mosques and kill muslim? Or if Boko Haram re muslim why don't they have never bomb enugu?

jeruzi:
read your question again and see the way you sound. The Islamic brotherhood is what?

What do Islamic brotherhood why every Muslim against Boko Haram? If Boko Haram are working for Muslim they should be in enugu or imo if truly they are working for Allah and want everyone be a Muslim, but no they re killing Muslim bomb mosque. Boko Haram re Christian

ItooWorWor:
So CAN was the one that provoked the killing of innocent christains for something that happened in faraway denmark,my ques who hate and has been killing who?Who has been picking up arms against who since time imemorial?Frm kano-kaduna-jos who has been attacking who? Wat arms is the satan of sokoto saying?

I don't know who is killing who bro, but my point is terrorist re not Muslim

jeruzi:
stop this child's play. I can give you more than enough, but I won't waste my time. You know them. How mohammad curse curse the Christians and Jews. I have read. But you don't know what you are saying.
You are talking about killing and Christianity and you are telling me you can quot from the old testament. You just argued with a very wrong statement.

see life of Christian outside? Old Testament is not word of your God? If word of Old Testament is nothing why are you quoting from it to support your Christianity in the church, this is hypocrite right?

jeruzi:
what are boko haram enforcing, Christianity or islam? Isis, iswap are all what? You know what is happening you are either lying or you are deceiving yourself.

Can you pls tell me what boko Haram re doing in the north only if truly they re fighting for Islam?

zionzoe:
I gave you proof of the meaning of Jacob... Which is mere consonants according to people of strange language I.e English
Check the attached pic and search for ANCIENT HEBREW to confirm . This text are from the TORAH which was translated by slave MASTERS the present champions of christianity and brought back to us through colonisation.

Samuel Ajayi crowther was a slave that escaped and came to translate the English bible to yoruba. Hence he called Esu the devil.

Check yoruba language... the Esu is the same Jesus today . Only that there is a mistranslation. Those who did not believe him called him esu odara. How can Devil dara? Our forefathers are the pharisees and because they did not believe him the called him esu.

I can give you proof it you want to read rather than you insulating that I am drunk on weed.

What weed can blind more that the son of a slave who at best is now a slave master?

You have submitted to slavery but we won't submit. I know who I am
Good day slave master.

Guy you re so funny.

Let me first debunk you concerning isa, Jesus.

In Hebrew he was calling yeshua

In Aramaic his original language he was call esoo or yesuh.

In Arabic he was call issa.

About Yoruba it was called jesu not esu that you claim, ajayi chowder was translated English Bible to yoruba, in Yoruba Jesus or jesu have no meaning, but copy from English Bible by ajayi,

Esuodara exist among Yoruba even before birth of Jesus, according to Yoruba esu ( devil) is a prophet also and people are serving him too before birth of Jesus. If you claim that esu means Jesus in English then it's wrong in Hebrew because calling Jesus is wrong there is no letter J in Hebrew language, Jesus is fake name.